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Battlestar Galactica To Continue After All 223

turboflux writes "According to executive producer David Eick, Battlestar Galactica is still an open-ended adventure and it will not be ending after the 4th season as previously reported. Evidently Edward James Olmos jumped the gun on confirming the show would be ending while attending the Saturn Awards this month. Eick goes on to say that the fourth season would actually be 22 episodes (2 more than prior seasons) rather than the reported 13 episode order."
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Battlestar Galactica To Continue After All

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  • by astrotek ( 132325 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @09:23AM (#19095183) Homepage
    If the extra episodes are just more of the filler crap they had last season then I wont be watching. Battlestar is a good show when they are actually trying to tell a story. Filler like Black Market sucked. At least Lost had the balls to say the show ends in 48 episodes. If Battlestar keeps the season format they had last season you only need to watch the first 3 and last 3 episodes because everything in the middle isnt related to the story at all.

    Yes I liked the show but the drama crap and all the story rewrites to try to find a new audience is pissing me off.
    • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:32AM (#19095619) Homepage
      It's not a "drama rewrite", it's that the basic premise is extremely limiting. It's about the Battlestar Galactica carrying the last survivors, and they're being chased by Cylons. There's is no BSG (the series) without the BSG (the ship) or the Cylons. You can't make a "BSG: The Next Generation" because it's not a stable universe, it's a tale of that one ship. You can't add new races, it's not an open universe like Stargete with a colorful selection of races. There's just this chase, these players and the ultimate outcomes are roughly:

      1) The Cylons destroys the BSG
      2) The BSG destroys the Cylons
      3) The Cylons leave the BSG and humanity alone
      4) They end up in a fairytale peace
      5) They find earth and earth kicks the Cylon's ass

      In any case, it's pretty much the end of the story which means they can't actually come to a showdown. They've tried every variation of tangling them together with both sides coming out alive but it gets old. I mean the Cylons must be very close to the prize for most indecisive killers in history. So what can you do if you can't have them actually clash in a meaningful way? Well, you get all the tedium of being on the run. Resource shortages, black markets, equipment failure, insurgents and sabotage, Adama's "keep us going at all cost" attitude, a few skirmishes and mourning a few fighter pilots here and there and some religious search for the way but there's no real dynamic in the show. The basic premise is exactly the same as it was in episode one. They're the BSG, and they're being chased by Cylons, looking for Earth.

      BSG is a show standing still. The only difference is that as of late it's been bad drama instead of good drama.
      • I gave up on Galactica in the episode where Starbuck inexplicably started diving into a gas giant. Of course, I'd fast-forwarded through the Caprica scenes of season one, and entirely skipped a few of the recent filler episodes.

        I was just about to start watching again (despite a friend revealing to me the recent stupid season-ender) with the hope that season four being the final season would result in some direction to the lost show.

        An announcement that this actually WON'T be the last season is something I
        • I gave up any expectation of BSG being any good when they had Starbuck punch out a guy twice her size to show that she was a 'tough' woman, and they resorted to stealing characters from Voyager.
          • Nah, they did that to show that's she's a violent, slightly unstable, and somewhat self-loathing woman. The President, on the other hand, is a 'tough' woman. Boomer is a 'tough' woman. Dee is a 'tough' woman. Cally is a 'tough' woman.

            • by Maserati ( 8679 )
              Cally is not a "tough" woman. She's more the "annoying but quietly enduring" type.
              • Well, she's certainly not the 'traditional' shrinking wallflower, 'oh, hay-lp, I need a MY-AN to protect poor lil' ole me!' sort. Sure, she's not in-your-face or anything, but still.

          • Yeah, I'm getting awfully tired of tiny chicks kicking ass. Seriously, I'm in lousy shape (not fat or anything, but I sit on my ass for a living and it shows) and I'm pretty sure I could give a beat down to more than half the 'tough chicks' on screen.

            Skill only does so much, and no 100lb woman can take a solid whack to the head or stomach as well as a 180lb man. Not only that, but a 180lb man will likely have a lot more muscle behind his 'solid whack' than the 100lb woman.

            • At a guess, Katee Sackhoff is closer to 140 lbs. than 100 lbs., most of it muscle. And if you're a 180-lb. guy who sits on his ass all day, I'll bet she could kick said ass into next week.
            • Well, i noticed they had her slim down a bit. Probably gave in to pressure. in season one she was pretty fucking tough looking for a leading lady. Not "real world" large, but large for hollywood.
      • The Cylons and Humans end up being the same. You already have a whole bunch of character crossovers, cross-breeding....
        • They are the same species, as far as we can tell so far. The definition of a species is that members, when bred, produce offspring that is also capable of breeding. Only a really long jump in the timeline could reveal if that part is successful, though.
      • by Aladrin ( 926209 )
        I take your point, but you've missed 1 thing: BSG kicks Cylon ass and THINKS they've won. You think a race made entirely of computers doesn't know to make backups? If BSG hits them hard enough, it'd take an entire generation of humans to get Cylon culture running again. But when they came back, they'd be more powerful than ever, and the human race would be weak from just trying to survive and the petty squabbling that humans do when they have no outside enemies.
      • by deblau ( 68023 ) <slashdot.25.flickboy@spamgourmet.com> on Saturday May 12, 2007 @11:25AM (#19095987) Journal
        You missed an outcome:

        6) They find earth, the Cylons kick earth's ass, but Adama and the BSG crew head through the Stargate to the Alpha Site to begin construction on another Battlestar. O'Neill, Thor, and Oma Desala get cameos.

        Hey, it could happen.

      • In Gilligan's Island, they had only two outcomes.

        #1. They get off the island.

        #2. They stay on the island.

        CONGRATULATIONS (and I mean that). You have identified the PROBLEM with such stories. They are TRAGEDIES in the old sense. One side will lose. One side is doomed. You are watching the failure because of the past decisions of one side.

        Knowing that, the writers need to understand their material. What is their final statement?

        #1. Man will always win over machines because machines lack (love, souls, emotions
      • Your #5 doesn't work. The timeline of the establishment of the 13th colony and our own understanding of our species' history on earth has the Galactica arriving on earth when humans are still quite primitive.
        • That's internet conjuncture. There's absolutly nothing in the new BSG that supports that claim.

          Seriously, the 12 colonies have existed for something like 4000 years. The Earth Colony left Kobol before the final 12 IIRC. But there's no way of knowing if the events that occur durring the BSG Exodus occur durring earth year 2000 BC, or earth year 3000 AD. At least until BSG gets there, or Starbuck reports back...
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Mathness ( 145187 )
        If you look at some of the setting of the series, particular the pilot and first season, you will find that there are hint to where the humans are from and thier ancient history. Taken that with the sparse information we have about the cylons, I think this is the most likely ending;

        6) Earth is the home planet of the cylons (and it is the source of the human models.)

        Depending how it is on earth, you can have the series continue after BSG finds earth, since finding it only closes one major plot (and please do
      • by kimvette ( 919543 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @03:22PM (#19097859) Homepage Journal

        There's is no BSG (the series) without the BSG (the ship) or the Cylons. You can't make a "BSG: The Next Generation" because it's not a stable universe, it's a tale of that one ship.


        My god, you have no imagination.

        Imagine this: Galactica 2010. Galactica reaches earth, and a small scouting party go to Earth to learn about the culture and try to find a place to live. They have cheesy flying motorcycles and the children have superhuman jumping ability. In the last shows of that series, Starbuck, who was presumed dead in the current series, will be found to not have died, but to have crashed on a Cylon-occupied world, and in his effort to survive, repairs and befriends a cylon (maybe they can become mates, who knows?). It'd be a great show! Really!

        What? That's been done before? Shit!
        • by kalidasa ( 577403 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @06:43PM (#19099445) Journal

          Galactica 2010. Galactica reaches earth, and a small scouting party go to Earth to learn about the culture and try to find a place to live. They have cheesy flying motorcycles

          LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA ...

          (And you younglings think George Lucas raped YOUR childhoods - at least he waited sixteen years; Glen Larson only waited nine months.)

        • by Lord Apathy ( 584315 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @07:07PM (#19099599)

          You people are forgetting the most obvious conclusion to the series. I came to this right after the pilot movies.

          You see, kobal wasn't the home of the human race. It was a planet colonized by seeder ships from Earth thousands of years ago. We'll call humans from Earth humans 1.0 and the seeded humans, humans 2.0. Well humans 2.0 build a civilization apart from human 1.0 on Earth. Mean while humans 1.0 are carefully watching over humans 2.0 from a distance. When human 2.0 are threatened by a natural disaster humans 1.0 guide human 2.0 to safety at the new colonies. This is where the names of the ancient gods came into play.

          During all this or before this the humans on Earth, humans 1.0, underwent a vorlon like transformation and became humans 3.0. Now the new humans 3.0 decided that after they had lead humans 2.0 to safety it was time for human 2.0 to live on their own. So humans 3.0 left humans 2.0 to fend for themselves.

          Now when human 2.0 reach Earth followed by the Cylons they will find a civilization so far in advanced that they can barely comprehend them. Humans 3.0 will simply tell them there is nothing for them at Earth and they cannot interfere in their affaires. They will send humans 2.0 to their fate.

          As for the thirteenth tribe, they didn't go discover Earth, they just went home.

      • by jotok ( 728554 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @09:15PM (#19100375)
        Nah. I hear they're going to do a spinoff focusing on the zany adventures of one of the private freighters in the fleet and its wisecracking crew. They're going to run dubious cargos and take on odd jobs, all while staying just one step ahead of the Colonials and the Cylons. The tentative title is "Lightning Bug."
    • by ferat ( 971 )
      I take it you haven't heard that lost was renewed for 4 more years?
  • by trenien ( 974611 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @09:25AM (#19095185)
    Bad news.

    They're going to try to milk it way after its expiration date.

    And here I was with such great hopes after the last finale.

    • by samkass ( 174571 )
      Agreed... this is the same problem that Babylon 5 suffered from. If they had either decided up-front that it would end early, or wouldn't, they could have properly paced the last two seasons. As it was, the last season was essentially useless.

      I say end it and start a new series/plotline if they're willing to keep funding it. It worked pretty well for ST:DSN.
    • This is going to be like Battlestar 80 all over again, isn't it...
  • by caeili draziw ( 1072412 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @09:29AM (#19095209)
    cancer with the magic cylon juice.
  • The writers boxed themselves into a void in the last season. The cylons as evil killing machines with the capacity to be anyone as a sleeper agent, that was good television--even at times good social/political commentary. The best sci-fi works on all of these levels. So, bringing back the chase and eliminating the soap opera narratives will bring the show back. I don't think they've jumped the shark quite yet.
    • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:41AM (#19095683) Journal

      Right now, the Cylons seem not to have any motivation. They wanted to eliminate humanity because, after the last war, they saw it as an 'us or them' situation in the long run, and decided in favour of their own survival. A perfectly logical (if somewhat cold) decision for a civilisation to make.

      Now, they want to find Earth because...? They don't seem to consider destroying the Galactica a priority anymore, which is fine. It's not really a threat, and by the time it is even in the position to form a self-sustaining colony the Cylons could have spread out over hundreds of systems. Their growth rate is exponential, and they have a significant head-start on the humans now they've destroyed the twelve colonies. It doesn't seem likely that humanity could ever threaten more than a few percent of the Cylon race again.

      But, they want to find Earth. Because, uh, actually, I have no idea. I'm not sure that the writers do either. The Cylons just aren't a believable enemy unless they have some motivation for their actions, and right now they don't seem to. Maybe it will be revealed later, but I don't hold out much hope.

      • the Cylons could have spread out over hundreds of systems. Their growth rate is exponential, [...]
        Kekekekekekekekekeke ^_^
      • by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @12:48PM (#19096633) Homepage Journal

        But, they want to find Earth. Because, uh, actually, I have no idea. I'm not sure that the writers do either.

        During the first season commentary, the producers explain that the entire bit on Caprica was basically done because it was cool. The producer who came up with it (I can't remember which one) had no idea where it was going or why Sharon showed up again on Caprica, he just "thought it would be cool." As the story progressed, they eventually hit on the idea of Cylons trying to procreate, which has never really been well explained.

        So, yes, I expect you're completely correct - the writers are doing this by the seat of their pants and have no idea where it's going either. The Cylons may have a plan, I just wish they'd share it with the writers...

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by GauteL ( 29207 )
        "But, they want to find Earth. Because, uh, actually, I have no idea."

        Because they want to wipe out ALL of humanity and not just the other colonies? They are afraid that if they don't chase down earth and get rid of all humans, it will come back to haunt them?

        If this is the case, it makes perfect sense to just follow Galactica until they've found earth and then kill everyone.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by smallpaul ( 65919 )
        The Cylons are religious and religion doesn't have to make sense.
    • by gnarled ( 411192 )
      The show's been on a decline, but I'd have to say it officially jumped the shark when four characters simultaneously started singing "All Along the Watch Tower." Good song, idiotic way for people to find out they're Cylons.
  • Terrorism in space (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @09:45AM (#19095309)
    That's when I hit the power button on my control, when I realized that this is where it's going. Cylons looking like humans, everyone could be one, general distrust and the felt backstab-threat... Sounds familiar?
    • It took something like five seasons for you to realise that? I had the original pilot movie out on DVD rental. Even then it should have been transparent to anyone with one eye and half a brain that it was a product (and reflection) of American society's post-9/11 neurosis about terrorism and religious fundamentalists.

      Anyway, I didn't enjoy watching this, and stopped before I got to the end. Aside from find it somewhat depressing, part of the problem is that it specifically reflected American society, and
      • I can see how you might not be able to relate to it if you don't live in the US or other country affected by terrorism. Nevertheless, BG doesn't take a pure pro-US position, but rather tweaks people in the US a lot. When the Cylons are occupying New Caprica, the humans are referred to as insurgents. Some of the humans are involved in suicide bombings. BG forces you to consider both sides of these issues.

        Of course, the war in Iraq is at least as important as 9/11 in shaping these analogies.
        • I can see how you might not be able to relate to it if you don't live in the US or other country affected by terrorism.

          I live in the UK, which most certainly *is* a country that has been affected by terrorism. Nothing remotely on the scale of 9/11, but I'm sure that you're aware of the July 7 London bombings and other significant failed attempts.

          I'm sure you're also aware of the many IRA bombings from the 1970s onwards. In one notable attempt, the IRA directly attempted to kill senior members of the British government [wikipedia.org] (including the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher), and came very close to succeeding. It's interesting t

          • I had no way of knowing where you came from and I didn't lecture you. I was merely trying to express an understanding of your position.

            I'm sorry that you saw less than 10% of the material but that doesn't mean I'm going to limit the discussion to that 10%.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Yes, they've openly acknowledged that Battlestar Galactica is much more resonant post 9/11. "Science Fiction" isn't about good science ("The Singularity is about to explode! Weapons to maximum!"), and it really only uses fiction as an allegory for present day, very nonfiction concepts and events.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by be-fan ( 61476 )
        I actually quite like the "science" in BSG. It's very minimal, and it avoids driving the plot. ST: VOY drove me insane with all the shit science they just made up. Obviously, science fiction is supposed to be fictional science, but good in good Sci-Fi like BSG, it seems like the science has internally-consistent rules, while in a lot of bad Sci-Fi (unfortunately most modern Star Trek shows, save for DS9), the writers pay no attention to consistency, and just make up new pseudo-scientific things to work them
    • by Kjella ( 173770 )
      That's when I hit the power button on my control, when I realized that this is where it's going. Cylons looking like humans, everyone could be one, general distrust and the felt backstab-threat... Sounds familiar?

      Yes, well more than a few have pointed to Star Trek having parallels to the Cold War. It's certainly possible to make some good commentary out of that, if done right. Or just a cheap trick since it's a current subject to many Americans, take your pick. I'm not so sure I've seen all that much insigh
    • by Bo'Bob'O ( 95398 )
      Yeah, whats with Sci-Fi dealing with issues? They clearly should stick to important stuff like holodeck malfunctions and aliens with crap glued to their foreheads.
  • by suv4x4 ( 956391 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:04AM (#19095423)
    They did something great in the pilot episodes and first season, but now we'll have to see yet another great show die a slow and painful death.

    I wish they'd wrap up the show and stop it when they've run out of material and said what they want to say. But even the best show is doomed to drag on our screens, while the rating brings in ad money. It's so sad.

    It was especially harsh and sad in Prison Break, originally an amazing 14 episode mini-series. Then in the last moment extended to a full season ("oh shit they changed the pipes, well all we did for 14 episodes now doesn't make a damn sense, does it"), and then to a second season ("don't move or I'll use my tattoo against you! i'm not afraid to!").
    • I wish they'd wrap up the show and stop it when they've run out of material and said what they want to say. But even the best show is doomed to drag on our screens, while the rating brings in ad money. It's so sad.

      Funny... you should listen to the podcasts. Ron Moore says that many times. He has two last things he wants to tell. Either they were going with 2 13 episode seasons or 1 22 episode season. They don't want to milk it either but they want to end it correctly. Next season is the last season from what the podcasts have said.

      With falling viewership (biased against tivo users) and the foolish move to Sunday night, I can't see them extending the show to a fifth season. But with all this recent news, fans may

  • Too Bad. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by foo fighter ( 151863 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:18AM (#19095495) Homepage
    It's the unfortunate tension of television that the business side demands an open ended series that can run as long as possible while the artistic side would usually be better served by a finite length and definite ending.

    I am a huge, huge fan of BSG (warts and all) and was actually happy to see the earlier report that the 4th season would be the end. I am one who thinks the writers would be doing a better job if they knew what the hell the point of each episode should be.

  • by MrSteveSD ( 801820 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:24AM (#19095541)
    I'm really hoping for some experimental episodes where the camera just slowly pans up and down Tricia Helfer's body while she tries on different outfits for 40 minutes.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by straponego ( 521991 )
      That's pathetic. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You're just confirming the worst stereotypes of loser geeks.

      It should definitely be Grace Park instead. Hubba HUBBA!

  • Open Ended? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jkiol ( 1050424 )
    Does that comment seem more like damage control than a reversal of statements?
  • Inaccurate Story (Score:3, Informative)

    by mriker ( 571666 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:35AM (#19095641)
    David Eick didn't say that the series would not be ending with the fourth season; all he said was that nothing had been officially announced. Also, it has been known that the season will have 22 episodes for quite some time now, and that the 2 of them will actually be the Pegasus "movie."
  • Big babies (Score:5, Insightful)

    by groovyghoul ( 957184 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @10:42AM (#19095693)
    First you want sci-fi, they give it to you... The sci-fi they give you, is the best sci-fi that we have seen on tv... They tell you that they will continue to make said sci-fi... ...and all you do is whine about it. No wonder people make fun of us. -groovyghoul
    • We all saw what happened to Stargate. We don't want BSG to suffer the same fate. I'd rather have BSG die in peace than have the corpse paraded around for 4 more seasons, and after BSG is gone there will be demand for a new, fresh sci-fi series.
  • Wrong Again (Score:2, Informative)

    by R3s0lut3 ( 861752 )
    For the second story in a row, Slashdot gets it wrong. David Eick said merely that he and Ronald D. Moore "had not decided yet" about the future of the show past season 4, not that there was certainly going to be a season 5.
  • by keith_nt4 ( 612247 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @11:37AM (#19096067) Homepage Journal
    I guess no body listens to the podcasts. The producer/writer, Ronald D. Moore, mentioned this a month ago on a podcast. The network made him sweat it out with that "12 episodes" thing but finally said ok to a twenty-something deal. He also said the show has TWO seasons left. He hasn't signed two seasons, he just thinks the story arc has two seasons left. I highly recommend the podcasts by the way...
    • Agreed. This is really old news.

      I also strongly encourage listening to the podcasts. You'll get a lot of insight with what RDM and the writers were thinking. He talks about all sorts of interesting things. Plus, there are often smokes and whisky (or whiskey) involved and it's always interesting to hear what's in the glass.
  • by Nim82 ( 838705 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @11:38AM (#19096087)
    BSG is a story based show with a definitive ending, it just doesn't seem to know how to get there.

    The last two seasons, particularly the 3rd, have left me hugely frustrated. The show had so much promise at the start, good cast, gorgeous effects, an interesting plot etc. But it seems to me they just don't know what to do with it all, they have their 'ending' worked out, no doubt, but they just don't seem to know how to flesh out the bit known as the middle.

    They should have planned this out episodically before filming ever began (like JMS did with B5). Not only would it have ensured consistency throughout (read less filler), but it would also have given them an exact number of seasons to aim for and enable them to better budget themselves as well. As I recall Bab5 was consistently *under* budget as a result of the excellent planning which no doubt ensured that it got it's intended 5 seasons, despite some doubts around Season4. Given how exec's like axing sci-fi, being prudent would be a top priority to me.

    I really feel there will be a truckload more filler next season if it isn't the finale. I would rather they just let Zoic create a whole batch of 45 minute space combat sequences, if they can't come up with anything better than love triangles etc - But that would destroy the budget... so no doubt were going to be subjected to more 'Whose in Lee's bed tonight' episodes. At least they blew up the Pegasus, or no doubt they'd go through half a dozen new captains for her as well.
  • Interesting how in the comments about season four being the last, the tide was against the Sci-Fi Channel -- about how sorry people were to see it go -- and in the comments on this story, the tide is against the writers for "milking it" -- how sorry people are to see it stay. Different people I trust(and hope), but interesting none the less.

    (So far as where I sit -- even with the rather agonizing romantic detour the show took this season, I'm enjoying it. I still trust that the show runners know more or l
  • ... by the end of the 4th season. The current story is pretty dead end at this point, and they need to finish it soon, otherwise they're going to be left with nothing but filler episodes. If they want make season 5, fast forward 5 years or so, make a second battlestar, and start a new adventure. (The humans finally go after the Cylons, maybe?) If Earth is just an inhabitable wasteland, I'm going to be severely pissed off...
  • I get nervous when great shows turn into open-ended properties. Babylon 5 was able to sustain itself for the most part because of a pre-imagined story arc, that was designed from the beginning for 5 seasons only. DS9, after the first season, seemed to get into gear for the Dominion story arc, which lasted 6 seasons, although only getting into high gear on the latter half. I don't want to see the mostly tight story of BSG turn into the equivalent of spaghetti code for overextending its possibilities.
  • And I was just getting to like them! (Yay...?)
  • "rather than the reported 13 episode order."

    So maybe the first 13 will be called "Season 4" and the last 9 will be dubbed "Season 5" and then it will end.
  • by autophile ( 640621 ) on Saturday May 12, 2007 @05:21PM (#19098897)

    Battlestar started off very well. It was fascinating. It was science fiction, emphasis on the science. Then apparently some network dickhead told the writers that they needed to, I don't know, attract more girls, or go more mainstream, or "be more like that Scrubs program". All of a sudden whole segments of the show turned from space opera to soap opera.

    After that, I stopped watching. Call me too much of a male geek, but I don't watch SF for stories about relationships that take place in a futuristic setting.

    --Rob

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