Keanu Reeves To Star In Cowboy Bebop 439
It excites me incredibly to know that a Cowboy Bebop movie is happening. But it makes me scared to think that Keanu is getting the lead in what might be my single favorite Anime series of all time. I'm very skeptical that he can pull off this role. For now we'll have to wait and speculate who the rest of the cast will be. I'm mostly curious who will get Faye Valentine. And we can only cross our fingers and hope that the soundtrack remains intact.
Keanu will be two-dimensional (Score:5, Funny)
Unless this is one of those 3D movies in which case he will just suck.
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Keanu will be two-dimensional
Unless this is one of those 3D movies in which case he will just suck.
Are you saying Keanu Reeves' third dimension is "suck"?
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That requires time.
No, switching from suck to blow requires the Schwartz [imdb.com]! Everyone knows that...
Re:Keanu will be two-dimensional (Score:5, Insightful)
I hope he gets Spike's character of "I'm too lazy to land an enthusiastic blow so I'll use some wicked aikido" rather than his typical character of "I'm too cool to exert myself so I'll use some slack-ass tactic". At least we can count on Hollywood to find some actress that will match Faye's rockin' tits.
Re:Keanu will be two-dimensional (Score:4, Funny)
"It excites me incredibly to know that a Cowboy Bebop movie is happening."
Is that a roll of quarters in your pocket, or did a Cowboy Bebop movie just get greenlighted?
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Japanese? (Score:5, Funny)
Keanu Reeves knows Japanese?
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Hmmm!
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Acting isn't really as easy as it looks. I took some lessons, and really had to sweat. Getting scolded by June Lockheart for forgetting my lines? Epic Harsh.
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What singing? The music in Cowboy Bebop is mostly jazz of the bebop variety.
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think about it a little harder... ...
That was his point. He was hoping that the music isn't changed.
I'm up for new tunes as long as Yoko Kanno gets to be the one composing it.
Re:Japanese? (Score:5, Informative)
Some of the Bebop songs with lyrics:
Mushroom Hunting
Green Bird
Rain
The Real Folk Blues
Fantaisie Sign
Want It All Back
Don't Bother None
The Singing Sea
Words That We Couldn't Say
Call Me Call Me
See You Space Cowboy...
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I rather think CmdrTaco wants Yoko Kanno's soundtrack that she did for the TV series to return.
So do I.
np: 808 State - Marathon (Original 2 Four Pub Mix) (808 Archives Part III)
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Your markov generator's broken, buddy.
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What really scares me here is that this seems like it's a real article that just had the names replaced. I know there are people like that out there but damn.
Keanu got the wrong role... (Score:5, Funny)
...he would have made a better Edward!
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Screw that, I think Reeves might have almost enough personality to get Ein down.
When questioned, Reeves had this to say:
"I may be a terrible actor, but at least I ain't no furry!"
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Seconded for Ein
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Sounds about right to me (Score:5, Funny)
Poorly animated with stilted dialog is the way I'd also describe Keanu Reeves.
Re:Sounds about right to me (Score:5, Informative)
I thought he made a good alien in The Day The Earth Stood Still. The problem is, he always comes across like an alien.
Keanu, a tip: The point of acting is to seem like you're not acting.
Re:Sounds about right to me (Score:5, Funny)
Apparently you haven't met Keanu. He isn't acting. :-P
Re:Sounds about right to me (Score:5, Insightful)
Because acting up when playing a super villain is good acting, while acting up when playing a normal person is bad acting.
Acting is about portraying a role. Sometimes a stereotype if you must. Ledger acting up as a very smart but completely batshit insane Joker was brilliant. And believable (if you can say something like that when dealing with the superhero/supervillain genre).
Actors that are prone to overacting work best in a setting that doesn't deal with "reality". Ledger acting like this in a much more "realistic" setting would have been bad, at best. Actually terrible.
Acting doesn't have to be realistic, unless you're trying to create a realistic environment.
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If you see that in the Joker, my guess is that you're wrong.
The whole point of the Joker (as portrayed by Ledger) was to prove that everyone, especially those with the holyer-than-though attitude, can be turned into what everyone claims he is: An egoistic, uncaring maniac. When faced with the theat for his own life. His point wasn't cheap and easy havoc. That would have been much easier. Instead, he wanted to break people. His goal was to show people that they, too, will kill someone else when facing the ch
Problem with redoos. (Score:4, Insightful)
Just as the Starwars, or any media that we grew up to like. A redo of it with new actors no matter how good they do it will always seems lame to the old faithful fans.
When something new is released and it isn't just right, for our expectations, then it just seems like an abomination.
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When something new is released and it isn't just right, for our expectations, then it just seems like an abomination.
To a degree you are probably right. But none can convince me, as a fan of Hellblazer, that Constantine isn't just that.
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He will walk around with a confused look on his face
I'm pretty sure that's how Spike looked most of the time. :D
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Personally, I'm more worried about the upcoming Dragonball adaptation. They didn't even try to stay close to the source material. The only connection it has with the originals is the names of the characters.
Pffft.....Who cares about Faye? (Score:2, Funny)
It's going to go to some hollywood bimbo with connections.
What I want to know...
Who's going to play Ein?
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Live action Cowboy Bebop? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't care who the cast is, it still sounds like a bad idea.
I think I am going to go watch the entire series right now to wash the very idea out of my mind.
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This was my exact thought also - when I first heard of this possibility, I felt an immediate urge to make sure I knew where all the DVDs were to wash the horror away later.
Because there's never been a good one. (Score:3, Insightful)
This is how art works, it builds off itself. If you really love Cowboy Bebop, then you should applaud somebody trying to reach the masses with something based on the original.
Name one live-action adaptation of an anime that was good and didn't just mar the name of an original. Just one.
Or name a live-action adaptation of a western cartoon. Or of a video game. Or any American remake of a non-art film from the east.
The closest I can think of is the American remakes of Japanese horror films (but I'm no fan of either the remakes or the originals), or "The Magnificent Seven" which wasn't a remake so much as a complete recasting of "The Seven Samurai" and is just not the same thing
No way (Score:5, Insightful)
The only thing he has going for him is in the looks. His face has a similar appearance to the comic and his body is more or less the same build. Other than that, it's, "Whoa!" all over again.
But hey, since it's a semi-geek thing, I'm sure it will do as well as Serenity did [boxofficemojo.com].
Re:No way (Score:4, Funny)
Reeves is in no way suitable for this role.
The Keanu rule of suitability is thus: Is there something wrong with the brain of the character?
If so, then Keanu is perfectly suited to play the role.
For example: If the character has 80 gigs of memory hidden in his brain, or a giant gaping plug hole in the back of his skull, or he's a time traveling stoner, etc. Then Keanu plays that role to perfection.
IIRC, there was something wrong with Spikes' brain... post traumatic stress I think, so yeah, Keanu'll do fine.
Re:No way (Score:5, Insightful)
His voice lacks the gravely, emotional sarcasm that Spike is portrayed as having. His near monotone delivery will kill the character and reduce him to a mere shell of the original.
Maybe I'll have to go back and watch the original, because I remember the original Spike being very much monotone, the sarcasm very much in the dialog, not the delivery.
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Yes, you do lose something in the dub: Norio Wakamoto's brilliant Vicious. And of course Megumi Hayashibara is always hard to beat in a female role.
I've heard the Cowboy Bebop dub, and it is excellent, but don't pretend you're not losing something.
Then again, since English is a foreign language to me anyway, it matters not one whit in what foreign language I hear the characters. So I may as well go with the original.
Mart
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I did watch it with subtitles.
And I agree, not all anime is better. Some of it, I can't necessarily tell -- I like Patrick Stewart as much as anyone else, but I thought subtitle'd Nausicaa was fine.
But there's also a lot of it that's horrible. Some of it is actually bad acting. Some of it is just the fact that you have the same exact set of voice actors working on so many of these shows -- no matter how good the portrayal of Shinji is, I can't get over the fact that he sounds so much like Goku.
On top of all
Re:No way (Score:5, Insightful)
One can only hope that in the future [Reeves] will devote himself to playing androids, less-self-aware species of undead, stylish pieces of contemporary furniture, and other roles that do not require the exhibition of any recognizably human traits.
Reeves is a horrible actor and it's so disappointing that producers keep giving him roles. I guess it's done because the movie will sell more tickets, as opposed to using a lesser-known actor who might actually be able to act.
Wow (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm gonna go out on a limb here:
I think he can do it.
My first thought was definitely 'oh no'. But then I remembered that Spike is a little quirky anyhow... And very, very rarely do they manage to make a live-action with characters that really match the Anime's.
What I'm most scared of is that they'll try to match the voice acting of the English version, instead of trying to get the tone and attitude of the Japanese version. Voice acting makes a huge difference to the overall feel of the character.
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Keanu Reeves + martial arts = fail. I'm just hoping it will be so bad it will be funny, the way the first 10 minutes of the Dead or Alive movie was.
Even if he were a karate champion he would be a poor casting choice for Spike, though. Heck even Ben Stiller is a better choice, I'm not kidding. For real they'd need someone I haven't heard of, because I can't think of someone who actually fits the role well at this point.
Keanu's underrated (Score:5, Insightful)
It's become popular to trash Keanu, and I'm not saying he's Johnny Depp, but I could also see him doing a respectable job here.
Pressing the panic button at this point is pure groupthink.
Woah! (Score:3)
Christian Bale as Spike (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd cast Christian Bale as Spike... but that's just because I want to see him in every movie I watch now.
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I was also thinking Depp, but Bale is even better. He can act and kick things, and hair can be done.
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Soundtrack (Score:5, Funny)
As Ed? (Score:5, Insightful)
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No she doesn't...
Better actors (Score:5, Insightful)
Spike: Adrian Brody or Adam Brody
Jet: Clancy Brown
Don't know about the others
but yes, they definitely need The Seatbelts/Yoko Kanno. Bebop isn't bebop without the music.
My heart is a frozen tundra (Score:4, Insightful)
I'll probably have to skip this movie. I love Cowboy Bebop, but keanu reeves is one of the absolute worst actors of all time [nymag.com]. I mean that both as serious and funny. So with a light heart I'm going to go find a bottle of cheap vodka to wash away the idea.
Can anyone explain to me why good actors such as Heath Ledger die, OD, or whatever but people like keanu don't? If the man had any honor as an actor he'd step down and let some one who can act take the part.
Oh, and here's to hoping Bruce Willis is cast as Jet. The voice may not be right but the look would be. Oh, and if Halle Barry is in the movie in any way I'm leading the boycott.
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Can anyone explain to me why good actors such as Heath Ledger die, OD, or whatever
You know how fucked up the Joker was? Heath wasn't faking it, he was letting his angst show.
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He Ruined _The Day the Earth Stood Still_ (Score:2)
Extending a career of almost entirely bad performances (including the ones where that's appropriate, like _The Matrix_), Reeves ruined _The Day the Earth Stood Still_. It would have been a formulaic remake anyway, but Reeves made it his own with his craptastic performance. Ruining one of the greatest classic SF movies.
Anyone who gives him any work at all should be run face-first through a 70mm film projector.
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He is not entirely useless though. He could probably pull off the main role in Soylent Green. Starring as Soylent Green.
Just stop (Score:5, Insightful)
Faye Valentine (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm mostly curious who will get Faye Valentine.
There's already a porn actress that goes by that name . . . maybe she could do it? :) (If Googling she also occasionally goes by Faye Reagan - and offtopic IMHO she's in the top 5 best looking gals currently in the business).
Could work... (Score:5, Interesting)
I think Reeves could, actually, work for most of the scenes (Spike tended to be very melancholy and low key most of the time) but the directory will have to really push to get strong emotion out of him in certain scenes (such as fighting Vicious). As for Jet, I think a shaved Ron Pearlman could pull it off pretty well. Not sure who I'd pick for the rest of the parts.
My vote for Faye Valentine (Score:4, Interesting)
Wrong Cowboy (Score:4, Funny)
Why so sad? (Score:2, Insightful)
There are certainly exceptions, but I would wager that most live action adaptations of japanese animation/manga have been failures. Which means the worst case scenario boils down to "Cow Boy Bebop live movie is bad, just like nearly every such adaptation, life goes on."
However, I would have a little hope for this one, because the ambiance of Cow Boy Bebop is kind of a stereotype of "american wild west" (or at least its representation in japanese minds). And
Don't bother. (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't quite understand why people dislike Keanu Reeves so much. Well, I think he has a tendency to end up in these lame movies with roles that are easily mocked. I wouldn't call him a great actor, but he's certainly far from the worst. And he's not nearly as obnoxious as others.
My problem with this movie is the fact that it's yet another remake and it will probably be crap. They'll try to reinvent everything, completely missing the character of the original. I expect the end result to be crap much like Speed Racer.
Part of my problem, however, is the source material. Cowboy Bebop is decent, but like most other anime is very derivative and features convoluted storylines. Over the years I've found that anime fans tend to have low standards. As long as it's Japanese they love it. I can't count the times I've read glowing reviews for one thing or another only to find it's not very good. Even what is widely considering to be average anime gets overly positive reviews. And when something is actually pretty good, then it's really blown out of proportion.
My point is why bother remaking anime? The fans will never be happy with it. Few others will know enough about the source material to be interested which means the movie will have to stand on its own merits. At that point, they may as well have just come up with something unique and potentially more interesting. But then Hollywood and unique go together like oil and water.
Speaking of anime remakes, Battle Angel Alita is also coming in 2011, with James Cameron as the director. The manga's storyline has turned to crap, but I still have a fondness for the original story. Even though I'll probably be disappointed I am foolishly looking forward to the movie.
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Cowboy Bebop is decent, but like most other anime is very derivative and features convoluted storylines.
What? Convoluted? That right there invalidates most of your post. Don't get me wrong, I love Cowboy Bebop, but it story is really pretty simple and straightforward. What is your idea of a storyline that's not convoluted? Doom?
I hope you never watch something like Evangelion or Ashes of Time. For that matter, stay away from reading, most adult sci-fi books will hurt you.
What -can't- this talented man do? (Score:2)
This is going to be fantastic! It's like the polar opposite of Spike playing as spike!
He'll be a retarded, gay, time traveling bounty hunter who's the soul salvation of humanity with AIDS on trial who smuggles information in a partition of his brain while doing everything he can to stop a bus from going 55 miles an hour while fending off demons... and... I think I need a beer.
Bad casting for Cowboy Bebop (Score:5, Funny)
If they're going to yutz it up with Keanu, what else can they do wrong? Let's see:
Spike: Keanu Reeves
Jet: Samuel L. Jackson (not the cool one from pulp fiction but the lame one from Star Wars and b-movies)
Ein: Taco Bell dog
Ed: Rosie O'Donnell with CGI and optical effects like from Lord of the Rings to make her appear hobbit-sized
Vicious: the comedian Steven Wright with an albino wig, retains deadpan delivery.
Fae Valentine: the girl from Lazytown that all the pedos have the hots for
Coolie-yo: A brand new CGI character invented just for the movie who brings a fresh blast of hip-hop sass and in-your-face attitude, voiced by Chris Tucker
For every other character in the film, make it be Shia LaBeauf making like Eddie Murphy in the Professor movies, he plays every part. "Nononononononononononononononononononononononono!"
Director? (Score:2)
Wonder who's going to direct. Not many could pull this off. Joss Whedon certainly, but not many others.
Re:Director? (Score:5, Funny)
Did Joss Whedon really need another blowjob today?
Suddenly I understand how Star Wars fans felt (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, I like Star Wars, but I don't DEEPLY DEEPLY LOVE IT like many here. Yeah I know, turn in my geek card, etc, except I DEEPLY DEEPLY LOVE a lot of anime, so I think I should get to keep it.
Anyway, bearing that in mind, I didn't really mind the "new" Star Wars. Actually, I liked it (except Jar Jar, obviously), and thought all those people complaining about how Lucas was basically ass-raping their childhood innocence, etc, were kind of overreacting.
But holy shit, now I know what they meant. I fucking love Cowboy Bebop, I fucking LOVE it, and now Hollywood is going to fuck it up the ass.
There is NO WAY this movie is going to be a worthy continuation or even a semi-accurate movie version of one of my favourite anime series of all time. NO FUCKING WAY. They just cannot do it, Hollywood just cannot make that kind of movie. Cowboy Bebop is deeply nihilistic in a way Hollywood just does not understand. I have nothing against Keanu Reeves but there is no way he can possibly even comprehend the character of Spike. No-one like him can. I am sorry but happy dumb Americans living in sun-drenched California just cannot understand this kind of emotion. They don't even know what to shoot for.
Faye Valentine? Dear god it'll probably be Lucy Liu. Why not eh? It's an "asian" series so we should get someone from "asia"! Argh!
God, I'm sorry Star Wars fans. I should have fought for you. "Next they came for the Star Wars fans, but I did not speak up, for I was not a Star Wars fan" ... well now they've come for me ...
Upon seeing the charred remains of The Seatbelts (Score:3, Funny)
It has to be said... (Score:3, Funny)
"Woah."
What every slashdotter has been dreaming about. (Score:3, Funny)
Surprisingly possible (Score:3, Insightful)
I find it hard to believe I am actually writing this, but Keanu could be actually a good choice for this role. Bebop's cool calls for a pulled-back emotional expression, and Keanu, being unable to express human emotion, is a natural candidate.
Also, I am sure this will brings lots of kids to the original series which is a very good thing.
I am more concerned with the script and the not yet selected director. A good director can pull out exactly what's needed from Keanu Reeves, something we saw in Matrix I.
But it's ALL about the emotions! (Score:3, Interesting)
The thing which made Bebop great was the larger story-line. The unfolding of the various characters as they healed themselves, or resolved their personal/emotional issues. That's what good sci-fi does these days. --Watch some of the old and loved Doctor Who episodes. The ones we (well some of 'we') thought were so great back when we were kids. By today's standards, they're amazingly FLAT; all about the plot and the cleverness and the adventure, but zero examination of the emotional dimension. These days, people are well acclimated to the science, (or whatever you want to call it). --Exploring that stuff is no longer the point of these stories. The thing we don't get, however, and which we are so driven from an instinctive level to explore is how we emotionally fit within these new concepts. The alternate realities and the high-tech wilderness of it all. People want to know how it feels to be human in an expanded set of possibilities. Emotions matter now. How cool is that?
--I mean, heck, look at the last couple of Bond movies, for goodness sake! 007 has a soul??? --He's a broken man with plenty of murder/lockpick skills, which yeah, we were all dazzled by in the 60's and 70's, but how did he get that way? Turns out, he's deeply messed up and needs a matronly M to keep his threads all tied up from unraveling. --When the question of James Bond's mental stability even crosses the public mind, you know we are living in a new era!
But to explore emotions properly in a story, you need space. Or rather, length. Emotions aren't like car chases; on one moment, off the next. It takes time for lives to unfold and relationships to evolve. Bebop, and Firefly, and Doctor Who needed a dozen or more episodes for these issues to be properly explored. You can't achieve some of the really great moments we saw in those series in a 90 minute format. Not easily, anyway. --They already made a Cowboy Bebop movie. It looked and sounded fantastic. I still listen to some of the tracks now and again. But compared to the lower budget TV series, it was listless and redundant. It was the series which sang!
Same with, "Serenity", which I know is well-loved among fan circles, but my feeling is that the popular reaction came more from the grassroots victory it represented over FOX's short-sighted cancellation of the series than it did from the movie actually being particularly great. It was clever, painfully violent, and tried to cram too much into too little, and when it ended, I was relieved and I didn't miss any of the characters. It was the series which truly studied relationships and the concept of, "Found Family"; that's what made it good. Some of the most powerful moments came with revelations of character which had been building to a crescendo for ages. --When Jane was locked outside the ship, and Mal was going to let him die for being a psychotic monster but changed his mind when Jane demonstrated that he had a semblance of a conscience. Stuff like that is gold, and I just don't think it's within the realm of likelihood that we're going to see anything resembling that in a film. Not in any meaningful way. And certainly not with a wooden post like Keanu Reeves.
Ironically, the problem is that Spike, while being the, 'Strong Silent type', was also a bit of a cheeky bugger with a lot of iron and self-confidence, whereas Keanu has never struck me as having known himself. Always a bit dreamy and confused. Poor, poor casting. --Because, I don't really believe much in, 'acting'; the eyes and unconscious, uncontrollable expressions of a person always come through the actor whether they like it or not.
The Bebop series was a great anime, and I'm as much a sucker fanboy as the next guy, so I'll probably plunk down my. . . Jeez how much does it cost to see a film these days? Well, I'll plunk that down just to see the thing. But, honestly, it would be foolish to expect much.
Heck, I'm still trying to figure out what the heck is going to happen with that Toby McGuire Macross project.
Erk.
-FL
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don't for get the seat belts for the action sequences
Re:get ready for excitement... (Score:4, Funny)
If we're going for bad casting, I vote for Cheech Marin as Jet, Queen Latifah as Faye, Rodney Dangerfield as Ein, and Summer Glau as Ed. The soundtrack should be composed by Phillip Glass.
Re:get ready for excitement... (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, wait, Dangerfield is dead, isn't he?
Perfect; they can just splice him in from other movies he's done.
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Hm, I'm pretty sure in the original that Ein was alive. Maybe my memory's fuzzy though...
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Isn't Rodney Dangerfield dead? Hmm... Maybe that's appropriate after all. I wished Ein was dead a lot during that series.
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Knock Knock!
Who's there?
Knock Knock!
...who's there?
Knock Knock!
Who's there?
Knock Knock!
*sigh* Who's there.
Knock Knock!
WHO'S THERE.
Knock Knock!
GODDAMMIT! WHO'S THERE?
Philip Glass.
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Re:get ready for excitement... (Score:5, Insightful)
and utter disappointment. why doesn't somebody just staple a 'fro to a wooden plank and let that be Spike. micheal clark duncan can be miscast as Jet and the hot chick from transformers and try acting as Faye. Ein will be CG and Ed will be any female actress...using CG to reduce their size.
and dont get me started on what a catastrophe the soundtrack will be.
No, no, no... Clearly Michael Ironside was born to play the role of Jet Black in the live-action Cowboy Bebop... It will also be one more film to add to his repertoire of crap sci-fi movies...
Ed will be played by a hot girl with big boobs. Instead of talking in rhymes and nonsense she'll be a hacker/greasemonkey/tomboy type character - everyone will recognize her as the character who would be totally hot if she just stopped talking about computers for a minute. They won't bother sticking to the original story, certainly not about little details like Ed's age...
Seriously, how can any fan of the original be excited about this news? I expect a disaster of "Aeon Flux" proportions, personally...
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I think the reason people criticize Keanu Reeves' acting is because they judge him based on the Matrix
No, Reeves was actually a very good fit for the first Matrix film; it's the other stuff he hasn't been so good in.
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I hear that Google can find all kinds of information on just about anything you might be interested in. Wouldn't that have been quicker than posting a comment?
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Ragzouken wrote:
Cowboy Bebop is a 26-episode anime series that was release in Japan in 1998. Later it had a very successful run on Cartoon Network and it still is regularly rerun as part of Adult Swim (it is currently run once a week on Sunday Morning at 4am PST).
Brief Overview: "Cowboy Bebop" is a sci-fi anime series that is set in the late 21st Century and focuses on a group of bounty hunters. The name of the series comes from bounty hunters (
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Adam West is still the only Batman worth watching.