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Bill Gates' Plan To Destroy Music, Note By Note 659

theodp writes "Remember Mr. Microphone? If you thought music couldn't get worse, think again. Perhaps with the help of R&D tax credits, Microsoft Research has spawned Songsmith, software that automatically creates a tinny, childish background track for your singing. And as bad as the pseudo-infomercial was, the use of the product in the wild is likely to be even scarier, as evidenced by these Songsmith'ed remakes of music by The Beatles, The Police, and The Notorious B.I.G.."
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Bill Gates' Plan To Destroy Music, Note By Note

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:11PM (#26602461)

    I checked the links. Now I feel so dirty.

    Hey Microsoft, will you please stick with the business that you are good at? You know, Operating Systems?

    Oh, nevermind.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Music Software - check
      Portable Music Players - check
      Gaming Consoles - CHECK
      Search - check
      Online portals - check
      Commercials - check
      Mobile Phone OSes - check

      • by morgan_greywolf ( 835522 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:27PM (#26603047) Homepage Journal

        Microsoft Bob -- Checkmate!

      • by keeboo ( 724305 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:33PM (#26603093)
        I don't want to see the day Microsoft launch food products.
      • by ball-lightning ( 594495 ) <spi131313@yahoo.com> on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:34PM (#26603097)
        Where has this hate for the X-box come from? Isn't the X-box the #2 selling console? (#3 being Sony's Playstation 3??) Isn't Sony also losing billions of dollars on their hardware sales? And take it from someone who had one of those PS2s whose faulty lasers died right after the warranty expired, they aren't the first company to make a product that wasn't 100% bulletproof! Now, I don't have an X-box 360, nor do I want one. That being said, where is all this hate coming from?
        • by AuMatar ( 183847 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:57PM (#26603279)

          Red Ring of Death.

          Yes, it's been fixed in newer consoles. But would you buy a product from a company that knew about the issue and continued to sell the product anyway?

        • by binarylarry ( 1338699 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:03PM (#26603319)

          I think its that to Microsoft its just another way to lock people into Windows.

          The Xbox could be a refridgerator if Microsoft felt that would help lock-in Windows users.

      • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 25, 2009 @11:12PM (#26603753)

        Vacuum cleaners - finally something Microsoft can make that won't suck!

      • by The Redster! ( 874352 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @11:52PM (#26604033)
        Aerodynamic chairs - check
    • by tomhudson ( 43916 ) <barbara.hudson@b ... m ['son' in gap]> on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:25PM (#26603025) Journal

      It gets worse - the article references a previous link here: http://gawker.com/5130701/microsoft-ad-and-product-advertised-could-both-conceivably-make-you-want-to-kill-your-family [gawker.com]

      Funny how a microoft ad for a vista-only product shows it running on a mac ... (check out the window decorations on the dialog it's eithr a mac or linux with the osx look-n-feel).

      This product should be on EVERYONE's Christmas shopping list - give it to the kids of people you hate.

      Anyone remember "Band-in-a-Box" back from the DOS days? It was better. This is so cheezy Kraft is suing for damage to their Cheeze Whiz brand.

      • by LinuxGeek ( 6139 ) * <djand...nc@@@gmail...com> on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:42PM (#26603157)

        That ad makes me think the only one making any money from MS research is the crack dealer...

        • by flyingsquid ( 813711 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @11:08PM (#26603733)
          Oh, come on people; this is an obvious hoax. It's a clever scheme by the marketing department at Apple, aimed at portraying Microsoft as a bunch of uncool, clueless, out-of-touch dorks. Nobody could really be as lame as the guy in this video.
          • by PrescriptionWarning ( 932687 ) on Monday January 26, 2009 @12:32AM (#26604257)
            I for one applaud Microsoft, now everyone can finally catch up to the synth music eternalized in the 80's! All you require is a dual core computer wit 2GB of RAM with Windows Vista Genuine Ultimate Edition and every last shred of your human dignity. And if you have no dignity left, no need to worry, they can loan that out since they know you'll be paying it back with interest when Windows 7 comes out!
    • by oldspewey ( 1303305 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @11:10PM (#26603743)
      Poll

      Songsmith is to music as:
      (a) Goatse is to erotica
      (b) Professional wrestling is to sports
      (c) Darl McBride is to humanity
      (d) Ants are to a picnic
      (e) No, it's worse ... much, much worse.
  • by magsol ( 1406749 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:13PM (#26602483) Journal
    ...it looks like an older generation MacBook Pro with a sticker over its logo.

    Plausible deniability?
  • by Sebilrazen ( 870600 ) <blahsebilrazen@blah.com> on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:18PM (#26602509)
    The day the music died.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by BSAtHome ( 455370 )

      You could actually try to feed the lyrics into the software. It just might interpret the text correctly and go on deleting itself from the harddisk permanently. That song I'd like to watch.

  • No! No! No! (Score:5, Funny)

    by zotz ( 3951 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:19PM (#26602523) Homepage Journal

    What is needed is to do some of the worst songs ever like those were done and see if improves the worst ones.

    drew

  • by lobiusmoop ( 305328 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:19PM (#26602525) Homepage

    This is what I think music would sound like without drugs [youtube.com]. (NSFW, but WTF, it's Sunday...)

  • Oh lord (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:21PM (#26602533)

    And I quote from the demo video...

    "Now I'm gonna sing a demo song, it wont be short and it won't be long! Ohhh I'm gonna sing a demo song for youuuu hoooo"

    Please don't listen to it, you won't be able to unhear it. It's like audio goatse!

  • Come on (Score:5, Insightful)

    by theIsovist ( 1348209 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:22PM (#26602543)
    This is supposed to be a news site. Is there any purpose to this article other than blatant Microsoft bashing?
  • by heretic108 ( 454817 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:25PM (#26602569)

    ... with President Obama's executive orders banning torture by US forces and requiring the closure of Guantánamo Bay, there's a dire need for alternative interrogation tools.

    2 hours of those absolutely inhuman renditions of 'Roxanne' and 'Sgt Peppers', together with the MS infomercial, would be enough to break even the staunchest jihadist.

    "Please, PLEASE NOOOO!! I'll give you current GPS coordinates for Osama bin Laden! Just turn it off PLEASE!!!"

  • Great headline! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RockMFR ( 1022315 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:27PM (#26602605)
    I like how, even with Gates gone, everything that happens at Microsoft is attributed to him. If he knew about this product, he would probably call it the dumbest fucking idea he's ever heard.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    (But I kinda liked the biggie remix) /just a little. //ashamed

  • by MartinSchou ( 1360093 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:37PM (#26602675)

    That version is just so horribly wrong (a depressed love song to a happy calypso tune) that it's pretty much impossible not to laugh or at least chuckle and shake your head at the results

    Roxanne - The Calypso Version [youtube.com]

    • by MushMouth ( 5650 )

      Better than the original, which hasn't aged so well.

  • Hey good lookin'... (Score:3, Informative)

    by retech ( 1228598 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:38PM (#26602683)
    we'll be back to pick you up later!
  • by detox.method() ( 1413497 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:41PM (#26602699)
    Someone should plug Coltrane's "Giant Steps" into Songsmith, and see if their computer explodes. (I'm not volunteering mine.)
  • by protobion ( 870000 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @08:42PM (#26602711) Homepage

    There seems to be a lot of flaming here for how the songs sucked etc. , but...

    1. Goodness of music is a subjective issue. There may be people who actually like the sound, or the ease of karaoke-ing through it. Kids, perhaps who can be thrilled at the substantial quality of their renditions.

    2. I suspect a lot of people are complaining about the examples there because they are comparing it to the originals. Think about how new songs or tunes can be arranged by budding composers using this. Songsmith might offer a lot more customisability making it an important tool.

    We should try to look at the bright side once in a while.

    • There are technical matters that any musician can spot immediately as the markers of good music.

      The problem is that the major labels, by means of marketing mostly, have convinced most people that what passes for popular is good and in order to revive part of their backlog catalogue they contend that bad music from the past is in reality full of invaluable classics.

      Good popular music for has normally its roots firmly established in knowledge about previous musical styles, knowledge about modern techniques a

  • Ohwait, yes, I do. This is Slashdot.

    A friend of mine makes music, and whereas the tunes coming out from Songsmith are quite corny, it has helped him in getting some nice chords together.
    Of course he is not literally using the music output from Songsmith, but I can see how it might help a lot more (amateur) music makers out there to see what chords can be used underneath their singing.

    It's just a tool people: Don't think that the next Britney is going to use this... Come to think of it, her songs might
  • Vocaloid is better (Score:5, Informative)

    by MBCook ( 132727 ) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:04PM (#26602857) Homepage

    And yet, the Japanese have virtual singers. Witness Vocalioid 2 (three is better, but there aren't many videos on YouTube):

    Clearly, we've lost the digital song war.

  • by blitzkrieg3 ( 995849 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:10PM (#26602905)
    In other news, Microsoft is notoriously [youtube.com] bad [youtube.com] at singing [youtube.com] and advertising. [slashdot.org]
  • by Asmor ( 775910 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:11PM (#26602923) Homepage

    Note that I specifically decided not to post this as AC so hopefully I won't be flagged as a troll...

    But I think this is actually really cool.

    Is it going to make any musical masterpieces? Probably not.

    Does it sound like a fun little toy to mess with? Yes, yes it does.

    Incidentally, I've never heard Sergeant Pepper before (yeah yeah, go ahead and -1 me for cultural illiteracy), and I thought the music worked rather well with the lyrics, even if it didn't sound particularly interesting.

    • by nmoog ( 701216 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:20PM (#26602981) Homepage Journal
      It is a damn interesting piece of shit software - i had a go: it would take any of my inane wailings and put some decently picked chords to it. Sure they they were played through some horrible GM sounds: but they tell you the chords (and the file format is just a renamed zip file with a .wma file and and xml file which contains all the chord info)

      I don't know how good you are at listening to a monophonic sound source and deriving the key and related chords - but I suck at it. This software is a toy, but it doesn't mean you wont get something useful out of it!
  • by klubar ( 591384 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:12PM (#26602929) Homepage

    Bill Gates has not been actively involved with day-to-day Microsoft decision for at least a year. He is now involved with the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation [gatesfoundation.org]. This foundation has relatively little to do with music, although a number of musicians do work with the foundation.

    The equivalent to ./ stories like this would be to refer to Apple as "Steve Jobs made music 30% more expensive" (do the math).

    And besides the headline was a serious troll.

  • by Khopesh ( 112447 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:14PM (#26602941) Homepage Journal

    Just listen to those demos, they're freaking amazing (not that I liked any of them, but just looking at the queues and matchings of everything, this is impressive beyond words). Specifically (and unsurprisingly) the rap song at the end was the clear winner, sounding eerily well-matched to the vocals. (Disclaimer: perhaps I'm impressed because I'm intimately familiar with the first two while I don't know the third song's original intended sound, but I do expect something with less acoustic range/complexity is easier to adapt.)

    This gets negative vibe because it comes from our favorite enemy (at least while we transfer our hate to somebody more worthy of it these days), but I think this could be the start of something great, even if it means we have to listen to some crap on the way. Isn't that the big benefit to Creative Commons? Isn't that why we eat up Lessig's remix [lessig.org] argument?

    This is a good first step. Sad that it's not Free Software, as the next step is incorporating remix and a larger (user-submitted) library of base music to the system (see the intro video on the microsoft.com article link), and perhaps the step after that is in getting the system to automatically figure out things like tempo and an optimized list of suggested music stylings.

    To Microsoft (if you're actually reading this) or perhaps otherwise those who wish to re-implement the idea: even as a closed-source solution, if you create a system that would allow (advanced) users to create their own base music, you will start a music revolution.

  • by Yohahn ( 8680 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:15PM (#26602951)

    Have a look here:
    http://www.menwithouthats.com/micro.html [menwithouthats.com]

    Men Without Hats knew this was coming.

    Pop goes the world!

  • Viral Marketing (Score:5, Interesting)

    by qw0ntum ( 831414 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:40PM (#26603133) Journal
    It just worked.

    On a side note, that was filmed in the Microsoft Research building, and many people there run OSX. Interestingly enough, you are allowed to use any platform you want as a Microsoft employee (I've even met Linux users who work there), but the Gates Foundation mandates you use only Microsoft products (source: friend who works for the foundation).
  • Too critical (Score:5, Interesting)

    by GlobalEcho ( 26240 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @09:41PM (#26603139)

    I think the Slashdot crowd is showing too much of its human side here, and not enough of the geeky analytics that bring me here.

    As the old saying goes, it's not how well the bear dances, but that it dances at all. I watched the demo and thought that Songsmith must have some *very* interesting algorithms behind it. Sure, the music sounds trite to the human ear, but aren't you kind of amazed at how much is done?

    To analogize, think of recognition technology. I can't tell one raccoon (or orangutang or giraffe or shrew) from another. Anyone who makes software that *can* do so has some mad skillz in my book, regardless of the human utility.

  • OMG... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Simulant ( 528590 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:03PM (#26603317) Journal

    It's a freaking toy for christ's sake. The sky is not falling.

  • by Matt Perry ( 793115 ) <perry.matt54@ya[ ].com ['hoo' in gap]> on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:03PM (#26603321)

    So Microsoft Research reinvents Band-in-a-Box [pgmusic.com] which has been around for years and already lets you feed it an MP3 and it'll tell you the chord changes [pgmusic.com]. Then you can use that to have Band-in-a-Box generate a song in any style you choose. Nothing new here. Move along.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:16PM (#26603411)

    Microsoft gained fame and fortune by putting office automation software into the hands of inexperienced users. In theory, anyone can learn to use MS Office. Having no talent is not that much of a drawback. The product does a pretty good job of concealing the cluelessness of the user. Life is good when your target market is dummies.

    Then they put development tools into the hands of inexperienced people. No talent? No English? No problem! If you can click a mouse, you can be a database designer or network admin (well, kind of). Find cheap people, put them through a few classes and BAMMO! A fresh batch of Mouse Clicking Solutions Experts ready to work for anyone who pays more than Walmart.

    As the IT industry has been dumbed down, outsourced, and off-shored, it became inevitable that these concepts would be applied to something other than IT. Like music. And who else to do it but the company who specializes in enabling people to use computers to try something for which they have no talent?

    I can't wait to go out and get a copy of Songsmith. I hear they have a whole genre of this stuff in R&D: Flightsmith, Medsmith, Boatsmith, CEOsmith, not to mention the beta version of PresSmith (Obama has had the country fooled for months!)

    MS Rocks! WhoooHooo!

  • by WiiVault ( 1039946 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:27PM (#26603477)
    Seriously guys, I'm pretty sure I just saw the dad in a porn movie. He certainly acts like it.
  • by upuv ( 1201447 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:29PM (#26603491) Journal

    With stunned disbelief in what I just saw I have suffered serious injury.

    It appears my jaw has become unhinged and smacked the tilled floor in my flat.

    I am grateful for this tragic injury as it is now impossible for me to even be forced to use this product.

  • by WiiVault ( 1039946 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:30PM (#26603499)
    ...must have gotten a pre-release version decades ago.
  • I love how.... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kuzb ( 724081 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @10:38PM (#26603549)

    the slashdot crowd takes what is obviously supposed to be a toy, and can't look at it for what it is. A toy. It has to be some world-ending apocalyptic program written specifically to put someone out of work, or monopolize a market, or some such dark thing.

    Because, you know, it won't be someone who isn't a professional vocalist having a little fun in the privacy of their own home. It's going to be the next endless batch of 1-hit wonders! Microsoft is going to be the demon lurking in the shadows attempting to gain a foothold on the lucrative music industry by replacing every singer and band on the market with it's own software and outsourced "musicians"! World ending I tell you! WORLD ENDING!

  • This is nonsense (Score:5, Interesting)

    by eebra82 ( 907996 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @11:39PM (#26603943) Homepage
    The Slashdot summary is absolute nonsense. It's like listening to complaints about MS Paint; that people are going to ruin their camera shots with its horrible tools.

    This product is obviously not intended for the average Slashdot user, but rather to children, parties and whatnot. Furthermore, this tool has the potential of helping people understand how music is built up.

    Personally, I think this is a really interesting idea and I wonder what the reception would look like if this was an iSongsmith product.
  • by Animats ( 122034 ) on Sunday January 25, 2009 @11:49PM (#26604015) Homepage

    You don't get it. This is how Microsoft will destroy the RIAA.

    This isn't even version 1.0. It's maybe 0.5 (sounds open source, doesn't it.) Of course it sucks. Most new Microsoft products suck at version 1.0. By version 3.0, they rule the world.

    Remember how US music law works. Anybody can parody anybody else for free (hence the legions of Elvis impersonators) and anybody can make a new recording of an old song by paying a fixed royalty limited by law. That royalty goes to composers and songwriters, not the RIAA. The maker and user of this program owe nothing to the RIAA.

    That's the key to this. As this technology gets better, there will be programs that listen to the repertory of a musician or a singer and build vocal tract and style models. There will be programs that take in a song recording and extract the music, lyrics, and expression, reducing it to something like MIDI with more annotations. Then the synthesis program will put them together, perhaps producing a "cover recording" indistinguishable from the original, at least when heard in a car. Plus you can have fun running combining different songs and musicians.

    At that point, musicianship has been automated. Microsoft can dictate terms to the RIAA.

    Don't laugh. I'll bet that in a few years, most videogame soundtracks will come from something like this. Then commercial soundtracks. Actual musical recordings will take longer, because there's a heavy "branding" factor. But it will come.

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