Matt Smith Leaving Doctor Who Already? 423
bowman9991 sent in a disappointing rumor saying "Ironically Matt Smith, the youngest Doctor Who ever, apparently wants to retire early. An unconfirmed report suggests Smith would like to try his hand at Hollywood films after the end of his second season as the Doctor. Smith is currently filming this year's Doctor Who Christmas special with Karen Gillan, who plays his companion Amy Pond, and opera star Katherine Jenkins. After the Christmas special he goes straight into production on a new Doctor Who series set to air next year." I've tremendously enjoyed the Smith/Gillan combo, personally.
Time to add a little crazy into that character (Score:4, Funny)
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Not sure they're looking to replace the Daleks.
Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character (Score:5, Insightful)
He'd make a amazing Davros.
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Firstly, I love that you've been modded up +3 Insightful already for this. Secondly, I love that you are right!
Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, but the Daleks already hate everybody. The only way you could make them anti-semitic would be to make them nicer to everyone else.
"BE-FORE WE EXTERMINATE YOU ALL, EVERY-ONE WILL GET A CUP OF TEAAA. EXCEPT FOR MIS-TERRR GOLDSTEIN! GOLDSTEIN GETS NO TEAA!"
Re:Time to add a little crazy into that character (Score:5, Informative)
It doesn't matter anyway. Slashdot was in such a hurry to get a headline people would react to, they didn't do their fact checking. He's not leaving:
http://www.digitalspy.com/cult/s7/doctor-who/news/a246624/gillan-matt-smith-isnt-leaving-who.html [digitalspy.com]
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You really need to move out of your mom's place.
Christmas special? (Score:5, Funny)
I remember the last time a sci-fi franchise I enjoyed made a Christmas Special...
*barfs*
Farewell, Matt Smith!
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Doctor Who has had Christmas special every year since it came back
Re:Christmas special? (Score:5, Funny)
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Doctor who always has Christmas specials... or at least for the past several years. You just might not have realized it if you're in the US, because they tend to get played as season premieres. If you remember...
All of these were Christmas specials. Many of them explicitly took place on Christmas, though I don't remember if they all do.
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Runaway Bride (worst monster in Who by far)
I didn't like Donna Noble either, but "monster" may be a bit harsh.
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William Hartnell had one: Episode 7 of "The Daleks' Master Plan" in 1965. It was a farcical addition to a way-too-long serial.
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What is science fiction? At what point does it cross the line from speculative or science fiction to fantasy?
Faster than light travel? Mind reading? Force shields? Time travel? Teleportation?
On the face of it it's not different than magic. A wizard casts a teleport spell or a cleric calls on arcane protection for his/her deity or an evil stepfather peers into a magic mirror.. Indistinguishable from magic, indeed.
Imagine someone from the 18th, 19th or even 20th century seeing a smart phone or a Ferarri? He
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Both fantasy and science fiction are under the umbrella of "speculative fiction." Both concern stories that are not possible in the here and now, but could be possible under different circumstances. For narrative purposes, advanced technology serves the same function as magic--they allow story events to occur that would be impossible in a story with a contemporary, realistic setting.
What sets science fiction apart from fantasy is at least paying lip service to real science and plausible technology. This sor
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I believe it has to be a mind-numbing bore, with focus placed first on scientific explanations for how everything works (bonus points if you noticed the irony inherent to explaining FICTIONAL devices with real science), second on how it has changed the human race, third on the grave implications this has on modern society, and lastly (because other things might come up that also trump this) telling an interesting and compelling story.
At least, that's the idea I've seen most often floated by the pseudo-liter
Re:Christmas special? (Score:4, Interesting)
Doctor Who isn't sci-fi. It's a sci-fantasy show for children.
You're looking for the Sarah Jane Adventures [wikipedia.org]. Doctor Who is more sci-comedy, at least some of the episodes like "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" or "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" are far too dark for a children's show. But it has a lot more in common with 3rd Rock from the Sun [wikipedia.org] which is a sitcom with aliens than it has to do with hard science fiction. The "rules" of travelling in space and time and between universes have been set and broken so many times over by now they can just make anything up. But the only ones who can't get a good laugh out of it are sci-fi snobs who calls everything else children's shows.
Re:Christmas special? (Score:5, Interesting)
Bah! Maybe American children. Hiding behind the sofa from the Doctor Who aliens is a right of passage for British children. Did you see the "Pandorica Opens" episode, where the severed cyberman helment pops open and the desicated skull pops out? The general reaction over here was: "my seven year old ran out of the room in fear - good episode!"
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Bah! Maybe American children. Hiding behind the sofa from the Doctor Who aliens is a right of passage for British children.
That's "rite of passage"...
Re:Christmas special? (Score:5, Funny)
Bah! Maybe American children. Hiding behind the sofa from the Doctor Who aliens is a right of passage for British children. Did you see the "Pandorica Opens" episode, where the severed cyberman helment pops open and the desicated skull pops out? The general reaction over here was: "my seven year old ran out of the room in fear - good episode!"
A great example of this is Blink, the episode that introduced the weeping angles. My brother runs a gift shop (one of the Past Times chain) and at the time they were stocking some faux-porcelain statues that out of the corner of your eye did not look at all dissimilar. Kids would blunder in along with their parents, see these, go silent, and not take their eyes off them until they'd left the shop. Brilliant.
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What the hell is wrong with British people? It's just a TV show.
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Steven Moffat is a great writer.
I am an adult, atheist skeptic and I'm largely unphased by spooks, ghouls, ghosts, and other nonsense. *I* was hiding behind the fucking couch. He found that little fear of creepy shit button in my brain and kept pressing it.
Re:Christmas special? (Score:4, Insightful)
Doctor Who isn't sci-fi. It's a sci-fantasy show for children.
Whatever the fuck it is, I like it.
Why do the best ones always leave early? (Score:2)
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I agree. Tennant was awesome. Smith however did an excellent stepping in and take over and I've very much enjoyed his performance. Would be sad to see him go so quickly. It was a perfect bit of casting really to pick him up after Tennant.
Looking forward to catching the season finale next week on BBC America. It's been a bit torturous to watch it as it airs here knowing you could easily get it online.
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I totally agree that he was awesome and it will be so sad if he goes. Can't they offer more money or something?
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David Tennant was really, really good. He sometimes suffered from dubious plotting or overly-sentimental writing, but he himself was brilliant. But so is Matt Smith. I couldn't ask for a better replacement for David Tennant. I really hope this isn't true that he's leaving. He's been absolutely great.
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They don't want to be typecast. That's probably the simplest reason.
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He didn't get a whole lot of work after playing Batman in the 60's. Now he mostly parodies the role...
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I also enjoyed watching Eccleston as the doctor too and was quite pissed he left so soon because he didn't want to get 'pidgenholed' as the doctor. Honestly can't remember what film I last saw him in and don't know what his last film he made was. I guess he wants obscurity, shame
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Maybe after doing it for awhile they have realized its not the dream they thought it was. Not an uncommon occurrence in the world.
Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? (Score:5, Funny)
"Matt... It's a set, just like everything else"
"Well, if I can't have a real TARDIS, I'm leaving. And I'm taking the sonic screwdriver with me."
"The sonic screwdriver? But that's just a... Oh! Nevermind."
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Umm... not to be a spoiler, but you might want to catch up on the series if you think they killed her fiancee. Just sayin'.
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(spoiler alert)
they brought the fiance back. He's going to be a character for at least the start of the next season. Though I didn't like how he was basically just a white Mickey.
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Eccleston was kind of boring. He was very nice upon first watching, in the context of "wow, new Doctor", but after Tennant and Smith he shrunk a bit. He was kind of mopey, overly serious, and lacked the quirks that make most of the previous and subsequent doctors interesting.
I would say Tennant (in my completely irrelevant opinion) is tied with Tom Baker, and Smith might be the most likable of the lot.
Re:Why do the best ones always leave early? (Score:4, Insightful)
Smith might be the most likable of the lot.
This is my biggest reservation about Smith, and the reason that I think the jury is still out on his Doctor.
David Tennant had a remarkable ability to flip personality in a heartbeat. One second, he's the happy, adventurous Doctor. Next, he's the awesomely powerful Time Lord with the weight of the whole universe resting on his shoulders. Next, he's somehow the saddest character in the universe, profoundly alone even when surrounded by life. Sometimes, the character traits showed up in a big storyline with a tragic fate for one of his companions, but more telling were the simple acts scattered throughout the series. Compare the eleventh Doctor (Smith) in the big speech at the end of his first episode with just a typical tenth Doctor (Tennant) moment in mid-series:
Doctor #11: Okay, one more, just one. Is this world protected? Because you're not the first one to attack it. Oh, there have been so many. And what you've got to ask is, what happened to them? [Cue montage.] Hello! I'm the Doctor. Basically, run.
Doctor #10: Don't play games with me. You just killed someone I like, and that is not a safe place to stand. I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me up.
Somehow, for all the build-up in the first scene, the second one was far more powerful. Whether that was due to the actors, the writing, the direction or something else, I'm not sure.
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The writing Tennant had to work with was also much sharper. Comparing the two lines above. Tennant had 4 sentences to work with. Matt had make it work in 8. Tennant's lines implied so much. Matt had to physically say everything, and even has a redundancy to get around. In short, Tennant was working with better material, while Matt's writers are just getting a sense for the new feel of the updated series.
As another comparison, Tennant had a climactic battle against the nightmare scenario of Daleks and
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It will be surprisingly okay (Score:4, Insightful)
In the revived series, each time the actor playing the Doctor has changed, I expected that the new one couldn't be as great as the one retiring. But I've been pleasantly surprised each time.
So while I'm sad to see the current one go, I'm meta-okay with it.
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So while I'm sad to see the current one go, I'm meta-okay with it.
You're Okay with being Okay with it?
What a cool way to put it.
"Meta-stuff" sounds like it'd be the leading cause of redundant statements but I haven't come across any use of the prefix ending up in anything less than awesome.
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I'm expecting Matt Smith to be replaced by Alex Kingston...
Hasn't Matt learnt from the previous doctors? (Score:2)
They usually leave to "try their hand in the US" or "move on to newer bigger roles" ... and find that without the attention that being the Doctor brings you, their careers take a dive. Eccleston had a brief role in Heroes but is now back in the UK doing mostly theatre. Tennant's US show didn't get picked up. Tom Baker, the most popular of the Doctors in his time, pretty much vanished for ten years after he left. Even Peter Davison (who has had the most successful post-Who career) found himself without a
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That said, I haven't really given any of the more modern Doctors a fair shake, so they may be great. I watched one episode that featured an angry Tennant basically just running from zombies. Kind of boring. I should probably watch from the beginning.
PLEASE!!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
Bring back Tom Baker!
Multi-year contracts (Score:5, Insightful)
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It's well known Eccleston only wanted one year (Score:2)
It wasn't known if the Who re-launch would even be successful and Eccleston didn't want to get tied down. Over the course of his one season Eccleston and Davies had creative differences (meaning they didn't get along).
People always think they can do better don't they (Score:2)
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Of course (Score:2)
"Smith would like to try his hand at Hollywood films"
He wants easy bucks and hot chicks!
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Karen Gillan says Matt is staying (Score:5, Informative)
Doctor Who star Matt Smith is staying put, says Karen Gillan
Karen Gillan, who plays Doctor Who's assistant, says Matt Smith isn't going to Los Angeles
Karen Gillan, who plays Amy Pond, the assistant to Matt Smith's Doctor Who, has reassuring news for his fans. The actor isn't about to decamp to Los Angeles.
"Matt will be sticking around," she told me at the Veuve Clicquot Gold Cup Final at Cowdray Park Polo Club yesterday. "I think those rumours were made up."
Karen, left, added that she and Smith have started filming the Doctor Who Christmas special, and adds that the atmosphere on the set is "great."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/7897262/Doctor-Who-star-Matt-Smith-is-staying-put-says-Karen-Gillan.html
But Wait! (Score:3, Interesting)
Does this mean there'll be no Fez? Fez + Bow-tie combo was going to be so badass
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Or... (Score:5, Insightful)
Shitty tabloid with history of claiming every Doctor Who star is quitting at the end of the next season claims current Doctor Who star is quitting at the end of the next season.
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It's just The Sun (Score:2)
I've seen this rumour flying around all weekend and it all comes from an article published in The Sun, not exactly the epitome of journalistic integrity.
It's a salary negotiation ploy (Score:3, Insightful)
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Poor guy, only £200,000 a year! Why, he might only be able to afford hookers and blow on the weekends! Oh the humanity!
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Tennant had a much longer history as a leading actor. The salary was inline with his stature in the acting community. Smith is younger and didn't have the same chops. He simply couldn't command as much as Tennant.
As far as Hollywood? No way. He's too goofy looking for the shallow producers he'd have to deal with.
Tennant is a great stage actor (Score:3, Informative)
Think of all the hints River had dropped (Score:2)
In nearly every episode River Song has appeared in, she comments on how young The Doctor appears. It doesn't surprise me that this rumor is making the rounds, and I'd bet Matt was told from the beginning he wouldn't be around too long.
Too bad though 'cause bow ties are cool!
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It's time for a non-white Doctor (Score:5, Interesting)
Of course the Doctor will remain a British alien, but there's no reason he has to be white. How about a Indian? Are there any such actors who would do well in this role?
Chiwetel Ejiofor... (Score:4, Interesting)
... was rumored to be on the short list of candidates to follow Tennant. Ejiofor was great in Serenity and Children of Men. He would have been a really great Doctor.
Aasif Mandvi! (Score:2)
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This is not funny but a valid question.
That said, why Indian?
How about Chinese, Polinesian, Eskimo, African, Amerindian?
I'd vote for Polinesian myself.
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Patterson Joseph (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't think I've seen him in anything recently, but his role as the Marquis De Carabas in Neverwhere shows he could pull off an eccentric character ... even if that was 14 years ago.
Who, M.D. (Score:4, Funny)
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If this rumour happens to be true, I think it's a good time to nominate Hugh Laurie for the next doctor...
I'm not sure if he'd be able to pull off a British accent though.
Wow... (Score:2)
" I've tremendously enjoyed the Smith/Gillan combo personally."
The Doctor rarely gets so involved with fans. His sidekicks I dunno, though Billie Piper seemed to be a lot of fun UNTIL she met the Doctor. He spoils them all, you know. Something about the Sonic Screwdriver probably. Just a common old screwdriver doesn't seem to make the same impression.
I wish.
Doctor's Office (Score:2)
i love the current doctor (Score:3, Insightful)
Rowan Atkinson makes a great Doctor! (Score:3, Interesting)
Have a watch of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM [youtube.com]
If you can sit through this without laughing, you should seek professional help.
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Both halves of which are explicitly pointed out in TFA:
Re:The Sun eh... (Score:5, Informative)
The Telegraph reports Karen Gillan as specifically denying [telegraph.co.uk] that Smith's going anywhere, so this is just a spurious attempt by the Sun to generate "news".
Here's hoping Smith stays on for at least 3 years, and we get some more multi-season arcs going.
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...they also predicted he was leaving a year ago ... ...and that David Tennant was leaving after his first and second years (they got lucky after his third year) .....
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With a face like the new Doctors I think Sci-fi Superhero is the best he may be able to get.
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It's all the writing. I don't particularly care for Matt Smith, but I think that's my problem--having an unholy love for the previous Doctor. But for me, it's pretty hard to get past all of the continuity they've been screwing with, and even when they aren't doing that, the writing is just bad.
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even when they aren't doing that, the writing is just bad.
But it was in most of the previous seasons too. Whatsisname's scripts basically came down to setting up a situation with lots of conflict and then waving the sonic screwdriver to make everything go back to normal ('Doctor, there are three million Daleks outside who want to talk to you about this script for Hamlet they've worked out' buzz from sonic screwdriver 'Not any more'); not to mention Rose reappearing every third episode even though at the end of the episode the Doctor would say that she really was g
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This series very blatantly sets out to get away from that. Even from the very first episode where he has to save the Earth without any of his usual toys - or in his own words: "No TARDIS. No Sonic Screwdriver. Two minutes to spare!". And then at other points in the series, it's re-emphasised. E.g. the line in 'Vincent and the Doctor': "That does it! From now on, I'm only using this thing to screw in screws". The device has mainly just been used in this series as a short-hand for things. Similar goes for al
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I'm fine with the Amy Pond character. I don't really like Matt Smith as the Doctor, but I am trying to keep an open mind. It's hard to separate how his character is written from how he is playing the role.
I disagree (Score:4, Interesting)
You're is a small minority if you're a Who fan and not enjoying the new series. The new show has made efforts to honor the older shows and maintain a reasonable continuity. The storytelling has been solid, a good run of actors... I'm a fan of the older shows too but I don't see any reason to dislike the newer episodes.
And I hope they can keep Smith on for 3 or 4 seasons. That's the average run for most of the Doctors.
They're going to need to write around that 13th regeneration limit before long...
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The new series is a remake in the same way the recent Battlestar Galactica is. There may be nods all around, but it doesn't go much beyond that.
Do you actually watch the show? Not a reboot. (Score:3, Informative)
Davies made some reboot comments prior to the first season but he was selling it to new viewers at the time. As the show has had four more seasons there have been numerous bridges built to recognize the older shows, including actually showing all of the other TV Who actors in flashback (including Paul McGann). There have been references to older adventures, characters from the older shows (Sarah Jane and K-9, hello?). What the show was sold as initially and what it has become are two different things. The s
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Actually it goes rather far beyond that. The Cyberman infostamps in "The Next Doctor" which contained the information the Cybermen had on the Doctor clearly show all the prior series' Doctors (Baker, Pertwee, etc). Sarah Jane Smith has run into the Doctor and recognized him as a regeneration of the Doctor she traveled with (as has K-9). The histories with all the old enemies (Cybermen, Daleks, the Master) have been preserved and continued rather than rebooted.
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Also - one more possible nod in the new series would be to handle the Valeyard. But then, they've diverged far enough from proper continuity that it'd be hard to do it in a way that makes sense.
The Valeyard ... (Score:2)
... has a lot in common with "The Dream Lord/Evil Doctor" character introduced this past season. They could merge the two ideas with a bit of creative story telling.
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The Master got past that limit on regeneration long ago though. And there is speculation that the limit was only artificially created by the governing Time Lords as a means of getting their people to enjoy their lives to the fullest and then move on to death.
Weak points in an otherwise decent season. (Score:4, Interesting)
Matt Smith has been very good, and if they could get Tom Baker back for a story nobody would be happier than me. Baker's not likely to return to the show full time but a story or two would kick ass. He's aged a lot since Logopolis, so they'd need to explain that. Baker suggested a few years ago he'd be interested in playing the Master, and that would be extremely cool.
>>"The magical way they brought back The Master for the end of season 4 was just stupid."
I watched "End of Time" 1 and 2 in one sitting, so I was a lot happier with it than other people. the way the brought back the Master was goofy, but hardly the worst plot device in Who history. The scene where the Doctor asks the Master to travel the universe with him was great, there was a moment where the Master actually considered it. But mostly John Simm is awesome so any chance for him to return to the show...
>>"At least with a form of history reset they can ignore a lot of previous shows"
They gave themselves a big broom to sweep up mistakes with the time crack last season. I doubt they'd completely reset the Who universe, Mofit is such a fan of the older show.
>>"Its getting too melodramatic and mushy on these story ark endings as well"
Hey, my wife cried at the end of "Vincent". Some of the shows cater to the female Who fans.
>>"...WW2 planes in space... the UK on an endangered space whale ..."
I was more sorry to see them scrap the cool Dalek props they've used for the last four years for the iPod version.
>>"...it would be nice if the UK was not the center of the universe"
But that's part of Doctor Who! They're doing new Torchwood episodes and filming much if not all of the season here in the US, and and they did the '96 Who movie here in the US. It doesn't feel right. That's why you can't have a yank play the Doctor, even Johnny Depp. Doctor Who is uniquely British and should always be that way.
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He was once.
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After the end of time arc I'm happy with a brighter happier and more cheerful Doctor. Gloomy doctor worked for Tennant at the end but for a fresh start, give me a doctor that can have the balls to wear a bow tie and a fucking fez!
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Tom cruise as K-9...
Matt Damon as Cyberman #47