Inception, The Social Network, TS3 Get Oscar Noms 201
Among the Best Picture nominations this year are Inception, The Social Network and Toy Story 3. In addition to TS3, the Animation category has How to Train Your Dragon and The Illusionist. Also getting a nod in documentary was Exit Through the Gift Shop, which is worth your time if you are into that sort of thing. You'll have to wait a month to find out who the winners are... and to find out what the stars will wear on the red carpet. Or to play the Oscar speech drinking game.
Everyone here should go see (Score:4, Insightful)
the King's Speech. I think most people here will relate to it.
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Indeed. We DO curse a lot and have a general distaste for being in public.
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I wouldn't say a rock solid script and good acting make a film worth the money to see on the big screen (at least, not any more). A film like Inception, which has the visuals to match, sure, but the vast majority are just as good, and far more cost-effective, in the comfort of your own home. I stopped watching films in the cinema years ago because it's just way too expensive here in the UK. For just a bit more than the price of a single ticket (less, if it's a 3D film), I can buy the DVD brand new if I wait
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I agree with all your points, but this film was worth it.
I'm a married father as well and a date night costs about $40 for tickets and snacks ($25 for the second run show) plus another $40 if we go out to dinner afterwards, and that doesn't include babysitting and the like. It was still worth it.
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Was it don't-need-snacks-to-pass-the-time good?
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I stopped watching films in the cinema years ago because it's just way too expensive here in the UK. For just a bit more than the price of a single ticket (less, if it's a 3D film), I can buy the DVD brand new if I wait a few months. Since I'm married, and that means two tickets, the DVD is always way, way cheaper, and that's before even considering buying popcorn etc.
I stopped because a big enough chunk of the public has forgotten how to behave in a cinema. There's nothing quite like being in a full screen, where everyone is gasping or laughing along with each other. But in the last 5 years or so, whenever I've been in a reasonably full UK cinema, other patrons have been happy to chat with each other at normal speaking volume, during the film.
Ironically, there was a period when they showed an anti-piracy ad, in which someone watches a grainy version of a film, in which
Re:Everyone here should go see (Score:4, Interesting)
It doesn't matter, because The Social Network or that stupid Ballet movie will win, anyway.
Of course, it also doesn't matter, because nobody with a lick of sense gives a damn about a stupid fucking industry award. I mean, really, there couldn't be anything less relevant to our lives than an award given by a bunch of celebrities to a bunch of other celebrities about who plays pretend the best.
Also, you can tell you're getting old when you look at the entire Slashdot submission and say "didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it, didn't see it, and didn't see it".
Re:Everyone here should go see (Score:4, Insightful)
Amen.
The fact that a large majority of people (even some very smart people) really get into this stuff depresses me. The whole celebrity worship thing is quite disturbing. I just don't understand the attraction!
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I can get the fact that someone might really dig a movie, but why anyone would give a fuck about an event to award people in an industry that they're not even part of is beyond me. If you sell vacuums, you might be super keen on who the Vacuum Engineer/Salesman/Manager of the year is. Otherwise . . . well . . . who cares? Even though I own and use a vacuum, it's irrelevant to me.
Of course, as the ratings reportedly show, people care less and less every year, so . . . good.
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...but why anyone would give a fuck about an event to award people in an industry that they're not even part of is beyond me.
It's for the same reason that people who know better buy lottery tickets. It's not because they think they can win, it's because they enjoy fantasizing about what would happen if they did.
Similarly, the appeal watching the Oscars and paying attention to the Hollywood lifestyle is in the fantasizing about being part of it. The vast majority of the people in the world are not pretty enough, creative enough or otherwise talented enough to make it in that world. But nearly all the jobs are relatable enough to imagine yourself doing them, which makes it easy to imagine yourself living with all the perks of that life. You can imagine what it would be like to live in their expensive houses, drive their expensive cars and date their gorgeous girlfriends/boyfriends. And those fantasies, however improbable, are pleasant to have. So people tune in to live vicariously through those who are able to live that way.
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No, you know you're getting old when you look at the submission, say that, and then log in to post about it. Give it a few years and you'll be writing scathing letters to local politicans about the state of the roads and just how much it costs to gas up.
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Even those with a healthy distaste for the institution of monarchy?
I vote for Inception... (Score:2)
Not that the other contenders weren't good, but Inception really was quite the unique story with a very interesting twist. It was the talk of the town for the first 4 months+ of 2010.
I'm not a big DeCaprio fan at all, but his role was well done along with the others within the movie.
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Inception was fine, but not exactly 'best movie of 2010' material.
Re:I vote for Inception... (Score:4, Insightful)
I haven't seen Black Swan or The King's Speech yet. Let's assume most of the movies nominated were worth all the buzz. That doesn't change the fact that Inception is a masterfully crafted movie.
The beginning of the movie is chaotic with no explanation, and Nolan very slowly unravels his tale while interspersing action sequences without making them feel obligatory. He also edits between multiple layers cleanly. He tells a complex story without overt exposition. This is far harder than most people realize. He gets great performances from a number of actors, and pushes the visual barrier as well.
In the age of CGI and mammoth budgets, finding a way to show people something on film they've never seen is becoming harder and harder.
If that wasn't one of the five best directing perforances this year, then I don't know what to say.
For my money, Nolan is one of the best directors working today (along with Aranofsky, Boyle, Soderberg, and Spielberg) and this may have been his finest movie to date, and his most impressive directing work specifically.
And before someone goes screaming about the brilliance of the Cohen Brothers, or Clint Eastwood, or Polanski or anything like that, those guys can put together a fine drama. But their overall directorial acumen does pale compared to someone like Nolan.
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My biggest complaint about the movie is its plot. While a good story is not sufficient to make something the best movie of the year, it certainly is necessary.
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I apologize if I wasn't clear. When I said, "If that wasn't one of the five best directing perforances this year..." I was referring to the fact that it didn't get nominated for Best Director.
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Pretty much any movie on the planet has plot holes. The question is whether or not the holes are so glaring they overshadow the rest of the film.
The Death Star didn't really need 30 minutes to navigate around a planet when they could have just blown it up, and then blown up the moon base immediately after.
Does that make Star Wars a terrible film?
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I'm not sure what the plot holes are. The film is a Christian parable and the plot makes sense if you take it at its word.
I thought the linked video was funny, but if people are complaining seriously about whether "kicks" transcend levels in shared dreamspace is silly. The film deals with all of this stuff on the level of metaphor anyway.
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I would rank Clint Eastwood towards the top of the list for his overall stunning directorial work.
Well, I would if The Hereafter didn't suck so much. :(
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For my money, Nolan is one of the best directors working today (along with Aranofsky, Boyle, Soderberg, and Spielberg) and this may have been his finest movie to date, and his most impressive directing work specifically.
For my money Christopher Nolan is the best director today, period.
He has a technical mastery of his art but never lets the technical get in the way of the story.
He is also equally adept at arthouse pictures (Following, Memento) and blockbusters (Batman, Inception).
I've been a huge fan since Memento and he hasn't disappointed yet.
Even his "weaker" movies are good. (Insomnia for example - which on a second viewing recently I actually enjoyed Pacino's performance more)
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However the movie itself had my undivided attention for the full 2.5 hours or so. It was afterwords I was a little annoyed with it.
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I'm not sure I would go as far as to say it was horrible, but I think its highly over rated. Plot holes, rather obvious twists and ending and acting that made most all of the characters blend together. It certainly didn't do it for me.
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That was supposedly a favor to the recently deceased Kubrick, where Spielberg finished Kubrick's project, as Kubrick wanted it done.
Some of Spielberg's later films don't have great endings, but those are all script flaws. Spielberg's track record also isn't perfect overall, but his resume is still pretty hard to ignore.
And his overall skills as a director are just top-notch.
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but Inception really was quite the unique story.
It's all a dream? That's a unique story? I remember our grade school English teacher forbidding us from doing that trick when writing stories because so many kids would do it as soon as they'd reached the required number of pages.
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"It's all a dream"? You must have watched a different movie than me. Not only was it not "all a dream", but it was also nothing like the grade school "I-don't-know-how-to-resolve-this-so-lets-make-the-main-character-wake-up-and-it-was-all-a-dream" hack that you're referring to.
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it [was] not "all a dream"
Are you sure about that? Maybe you should spin your top and see if it falls (or whatever it is you use).
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It's all a dream
Says who? We don't know if the top fell or not, so we don't know if he was dreaming or not. Realistically, when you piece it all together, it's more likely not a dream, but there is just the suggestion that maybe, just maybe, it is. But that's not even the point. The point is that Cobb didn't stick around to find out. It was reality to him. His children finally turned around. He was home. It doesn't matter if "home" is real or not. Either way, it's "home" to him.
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[Most Hollywood Action Flicks] are logically inconsistent, and the action sequences were just a bunch of guys shooting each other with mundane guns.
FTFY
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Fair enough, but how many popcorn actions films win best picture?
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Great, thank you. All this time I thought I had seen the wrong movie, while everyone I know raved about it, I thought it was just a whole lot of flashy nonsense, barely strung together by screenwriters who clearly didn't understand the subject matter they were trying to present.
I'm quite convinced there's an official step in screenwriting titled "Let's make up a bunch of random bullshit. People think weird nonsense is cool"
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The hotel loss-of-gravity action scene was a bit unique, but the action was still weak overall. It sort of felt like Nolan wrote the plot, took it to the studio, and they said "ok great whatever, it needs more action to sell". So they went back and added in the bits about dream defense force and threw in some guns and, unfortunately, probably sold more tickets as a result.
I'd be interested to hear what you thought was logically inconsistent about it, while you're at it.
Re:I vote for Inception... (Score:5, Interesting)
Respectfully, I don't think you understood Inception... let me try to explain:
Inception opens with a shot of children building a castle on the beach. This is a biblical reference to Matthew 7.24 and the parable of the wise and foolish builders. The film closes when Cobb's real children tell us they are building a castle “on the cliff”. So we start and end with a biblical story about how getting to heaven requires faith in God. This encourages us to read Inception as an allegorical journey towards redemption through faith, not an action film. Having failed to “buy his way” to heaven, Cobb gets there by taking a “leap of faith”.
If you are confused by the spinning top or self-referential nature of the movie (films are also dreams, and who is to say what message the audience will find in the safe?), that's because you aren't thinking critically about what you saw. People who argue about the spinning top for instance miss the point. The ending of the film is a heaven sequence depicting Cobb’s reunion with God. We have the forgiveness of sins (immigration), the family reunion and the return to the heavenly garden. In order to get there Cobb simply needs to forgive himself (for his complicity in his wife's death) and sacrifice his own life to rescue Saito from limbo. The point of the spinning top is that Cobb ignores it -- he has faith.
One more paragraph because in case you still think that this is a stretch, consider that Michael Caine plays a master architect (creator). Or consider the scene where Cobb stops by Paris to ask his father for guidance. After being chided for his worldliness and corruption (“I never taught you to steal”), Cobb argues he is doing the best he can in a fallen world. But when he asks for help, help is given in the form of a woman whose mythological name suggests her role is guide Cobb out of the maze that is the mortal world (“all dreams are mazes”).
Given that the film has lines like "you have to die to wake-up" I don't think Nolan can be accused of subtly. But if he's made a film that goes over the heads of most filmgoers, it can only be because people have been trained out of having any expectations from movies by the very sorts of films you criticize. So whatever you want to say about Inception go ahead, but calling it a logically inconsistent film with mundane action sequences is about as far off-mark as you can get. This is a film about ideas (it doesn't always give answers -- where does Cobb get the "genesis" of the idea of salvation). If you watch it with the right mindset, I think you'll have a lot more fun and realize how much better it is than anything else released this year!
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films are also dreams, and who is to say what message the audience will find in the safe?
I think your interpretation of the movie proves that point. I think that many of the things you've mentioned were not in the film for the reasons you state, but you've glued them together in a coherent form.
That's not a bad thing. Art isn't about the intent of the artist, it's about what the audience get out of it. Even if I disagree with aspects of your interpretation, I found it extremely interesting. I do have a singular problem with it:
People who argue about the spinning top for instance miss the point. The ending of the film is a heaven sequence depicting Cobb’s reunion with God. We have the forgiveness of sins (immigration), the family reunion and the return to the heavenly garden. In order to get there Cobb simply needs to forgive himself (for his complicity in his wife's death) and sacrifice his own life to rescue Saito from limbo. The point of the spinning top is that Cobb ignores it -- he has faith.
Cobb didn't put the spinning top down and walk away. He looked
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Not very excited this year (Score:3)
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I haven't been very interested in most of the Oscar films in years. Every now and then I'll see a movie that really impresses me, but they almost never get Oscar nom's (occasionally they'll get Independent Spirit nominations). But some of my favorite movies/TV shows of the last decade never got any attention at all from any of these awards shows. Session 9 [wikipedia.org] was the best horror film of the decade and never got any attention from any award show. Did Firefly or Battlestar Galactica ever win an Emmy? Nope.
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There was a time when the rap group Three 6 Mafia had an Oscar, and Martin Scorsese did not.
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Did Firefly or Battlestar Galactica ever win an Emmy? Nope.
Battlestar Galactica (reimagined) won twice for special visual effects, once for sound editing, and one for a "Razor" featurette.
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What I don't like is it's overtly, almost proudly American-centric view of the cinema. They've got the Best Foreign Film category, but come on, look at a giant like Kurosawa, who made a half-dozen films that are ranked as being among the greatest ever made. He won a best Foreign Film nod, as well as a Lifetime Achievement Award (which is sort of a sucker prize for great filmmakers or actors who the Academy has ineptly never given proper recognition for).
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How to train: yaay! (Score:5, Informative)
As a fan of animation and kid's movies, I think How to Train Your Dragon was hugely underrated. It is one of those movies that even a 2 year old can sit through and comprehend, which is a rarity for a full-length movie. But the subtlety of the characters is great and the emotions were well acted and realistic. The main character also appeals to the inner geek. There is certainly nothing mind-blowing in it, and the CG is average. But if you like this style of movie and have never seen it I highly recommend it.
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The movie was good, but John Powell's score [youtube.com] to How to Train Your Dragon was phenomenal. Almost year later and it still gives me goosebumps to hear it. I don't expect it to win Best Score (Inception and The Social Network are just too popular), but it certainly deserves it.
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Agreed. We bought the soundtrack too.
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Yep I totally agree! I watched it at the with my son on the big screen and actually found it lovely and moving - although unfortunately I have a feeling it lacks the star appeal to get itself top billing for an Oscar. Storyline was great, I found the script a bit weak in places, but for junior geeks I thought a great message about brains over brawn.
Oh, and thanks a lot, you useless reptile :-)
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The amount of advertising that this movie put out during the Olympics was offensive. I figured it had to be horrible if they were pushing it that much. Perhaps I was wrong.
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I guess it depends on what you watch. I made this post because I had never heard of the movie until we were looking for kid safe movies and thought we would try it out. I figured nobody had ever heard of it until now.
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Agree 100%. Not only is it the best animated feature of the year (Toy Story 3 was good but not great), but probably one of the best animated features ever. It does a better job of character development than most movies and the main character is easy to relate to, especially for those of us that are categorized as nerds (social outcast, smart, good with gadgets, likes the hot chick, etc). My almost 3 year old son loves it and I don't mind watching it with him dozens of times.
As for the other movies, I hav
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I'm not criticizing it, I just don't want someone to go out and watch the movie with the expectation of being blown away by the CG. It isn't photo-realistic and it isn't intended to be. The water and fire effects were awesome. The forests and mountains and fog were beautiful. The characters were sufficient.
What 3D film has done better? The Animatrix, the Final Fantasy movies.
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... to find out the winners.
But only a week for the screeners to hit Usenet!!! Yay!!!
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Okay, I see you don't know how screeners work. They are sent out to the Academy members so that they can decide who to nominate, i.e., the results of which were announced today. Therefore, the screeners have been out for quite some time (since at least December). On Usenet, probably. And your favorite torrent tracker.
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I would give anything for Netflix to get the mother fucking clue, already. I can't tell you how many times I have clicked the "DO NOT FUCKING RECOMMEND THIS PIECE OF SHIT TO ME" button and yet it keeps popping up EVERY time as a suggestion. I said I didn't give a shit about this Banksy fucktard yesterday and I still don't care about him today. STOP SUGGESTING IT TO ME!
The only thing even nearly as annoying is how it keeps suggesting fucking stand up comedy films to me. Comedians are boring assholes. How man
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It's a fantastic film -- I'd recommended it to anyone, even if they're not "into that kind of thing" (by which I assume, street art).
But let's not assume too much about its veracity, eh?
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But let's not assume too much about its veracity, eh?
I don't think that that film had a budget big enough to fake Thiery's "accomplishments", or the line of people waiting to see his "art". But Banksy is pretty well documented
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Well, I wrote a bit about it, but then I deleted it because it had too many spoilers.
Suffice to say that I think the LA show was a bit of a Candid Camera stunt, with the punters as the stooges.
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Well, I wrote a bit about it, but then I deleted it because it had too many spoilers.
Suffice to say that I think the LA show was a bit of a Candid Camera stunt, with the punters as the stooges.
Thats what I mean about Thiery taking the Andy Warhol theme and running with it to the extreme (and I think even that point was basically covered in the film). I can see that LA show playing out exactly as shown and people reacting exactly as they did, and spending all their $$$
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Mmm, but I think Thiery may be a work of fiction to some extent -- and more Banksy's creation than his own.
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I liked Inception, but I had difficulty following the plot.
Of course you had trouble following the plot, it's a science fiction movie.
Inception: where do I get those tank treads? (Score:2)
If you watched the movie, you might have noticed in the snow scenes, there's a vehicle that has 4 triangular tank tread kinda things, instead of normal, round tyres. What are they called, and are they commercially available?
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I don't recall exactly the machine they were running in the movie, but yes, the tracks are commercially available. Since /.'s paste functionality is broken, punch "articat triangular snow tracks" into Google and click the second link.
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Sweet! Thanks for that link.
Re:Inception: where do I get those tank treads? (Score:4, Informative)
Not only are they available, but checking their main page, http://www.mattracks.com/ [mattracks.com] they are advertizing their role in Inception. I wonder which direction that relationship came from. Did the director want the tracks, or does Mattracks actively court films trying to get some product placement in there?
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Coolest Interpretation of Inception. (Score:3, Interesting)
A man (Decaprio) gets on a plane, first class to america.
The movie starts with his really vivid dream about the other people in 1st class.
He wakes up, gets off the plane and goes home to his children.
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There is just no other way to put it.
Perfect voice acting, perfect writing, perfect plot.
It was truly the third act and just incredibly well done.
I think I will watch it again several more times in my life.
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Slashdotters really need to learn to use stty properly.
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Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised by it. It wasn't really about worshiping Zuckerberg's success, but that he neither walked away from his success with his self-respect in tact, nor did it buy him friends. Granted that is probably far from the truth, but that's the flaw with moral fables.
Also from the coder's perspective, it was probably one of the least condescending films I've seen in years. Granted that gets a stretched more and more as the movie progresses (can't say I've ever had any success with pro
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Yea, clearly success in America is promising things you can't deliver!
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Best. Post. Ever.
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Tron was not awesome. It was visually appealing for a daft punk music video.
If ther eis only one post, and it was closed, how was the pager paged?
WHy was the son of the previos movie bad guy specifically pointed out, and then ignored?
What was with all the 'big luboski' talk?
When talking about his zen bullshit his son should have called him out for what it was "Fear to make a decsion".
And what was with Tron?
And why talk about the special light cycle and then do NOTHING with it?
And did they even bother to con
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Sitting around and giving answers to minor questions isn't entertaining. Half of my friends complained there was too much plot and not enough action, and the other half complained it was mindless action with not enough plot. Trying to strike a good balance is always tricky.
They didn't explain how the pager was reached. We're assuming the computer powering the grid had ZERO connection to any other computer, phone line or data line. Yet this is the most important project in Flynn's life. You're saying he didn
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I went to see Tron Legacy with the missus and had occasional geek-out moments but overall I thought the movie was just okay. I'm old enough to have seen the original in the theaters and to me, the experiences just didn't compare. Not that I ever expected them to. Tron Legacy may have been the superior movie -- maybe -- but there's really a lot to be said for seeing a fantastical movie at the right age. I saw the original Tron when I was something like 10 years old, and it blew me away. Similarly, Raiders of
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"What was with all the 'big luboski' talk?
When talking about his zen..."
In the 80's Japan was going to take over the world. Flynn was in the real world during the 80's. Flynn being influenced by Eastern thought is very 80's.
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>> There were some big ones that were awesome (Tron, Inception)
Really? Inception was still okay (not the story, the special effects). But Tron??? Awesome???
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Yes, both as a continuation of the first film and as a film by itself. It was really entertaining, it did a good job of putting the audience in the character's heads, it maintained consistency with the real-world representation in the computer world, and naturally it looked awesome. Basically, it was good for the same reasons the first one was good.
People seem to forget how slow-paced and badly-written/acted the original was.
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I liked Tron Legacy quite a bit, and I thought it was frankly better than Inception, more fun to watch, great visuals and sound track, the characters were a lot more fun while just about everyone in Inception blended together.
But I wouldn't call either of the "Awesome" other than perhaps the impressiveness of the special effects. I suppose I could call them good movies but awesome takes a bit more than that.
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Inception was exception for the lack of modern effects.
It looked real and impressed you because it was real.
The fortress was not CGI and it was not a small scale model.
The hotel corridor battle had no CGI at all.
The hotel restaurant had no CGI except the view out windows
The floating elevator scenes (and others) were not CGI.
In your gut, you knew they were real and in your head, you knew they were impossible.
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At least it was not a bad year for animated features. Most notably Toy Story 3 lived up to the previous installments (hard feat) and I was very pleasantly surprised by "How to train your dragon".
Speaking of Tron though, I don't understand how it is only nominated for Sound Editing. Visually it was an amazing experience (and hybrid 2D/3D depending on which world you were helped), but where it excelled was the soundtrack which was a masterful mixture of classical with electronic sound and was in complete harm
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That's plenty of variety - far better than last year, of which half relied in part on something as pedestrian a topic as guns.
Although last year also had the expanded nominations, I'm sure we all know that the extra 5 (and maybe 6, since usually one of the 5 in the past was this way, too) are merely filler that can't possibly win, but it makes the Academy look like they actually pay attention to movies released before December.
Inception may have a shot because it was so critically acclaimed, but it's probably the only "popular" movie on the list that does have a chance.
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Why not just watch it? It's a good film, you'd probably enjoy it.
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I haven't watched the Oscars in a long time but that actually looks to me like the AA version of a drinking game.
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Now why the heck would I want to watch the awards sober?
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They have to nominate something in the animated category, and TS3 was very well-received. I'd like to see The Illusionist get it though.
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Because of Natalie Portman's hot grits scene in Black Swan?
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