DC Comics Announces "Before Watchmen" 130
eldavojohn writes "Currently DC Comics' site has a banner announcing a new series called "Before Watchmen." Unfortunately the blog pages for this new series appear to be experiencing high traffic and are unreachable. But a number of sites are breaking down these new endeavors that will be giving backstories to the seven characters and who will be creating each of those series. There's also speculation ranging from how much this must upset Alan Moore (egg frying on his forehead seems to be the popular guess) to the theory that this is simply for more movie material. There's an abundance of information from interviews released today."
Before. (Score:4, Funny)
I heard rumour that before Big Blue Wang there was Massive Pink Vag. Unfortunately the site is down and this can't be confirmed.
It looks more "tight" than "massive" to me... (Score:2)
Also, in that light, it's more kinda purple. [comicbookresources.com]
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The sight of a male member causes you nightmares? Fair enough, it's blue, but have you considered getting professional help?
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That's what I was thinking. It just goes to show just how hyper-prudish North America is. It was depicted in an entirely non-sexual way, but still everyone screams bloody murder that this is absolutely unacceptable. On the other hand, depictions of a dog with its head axed open, or someone exploding into a fine mist, or hell... even the idea of millions of people murdered by a blast of energy... all of this is fine. But a penis. OH HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HELL FOR SEEING IT! But seeing cold-blooded murder? Eh, whatever, it's a Tuesday.
It's just as bad as that girl during the oscars a few years ago (I think it was Mariah Carey?) where their breast was every so slightly exposed for like... 1/4 of a second. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF COMPLAINTS. I mean sweet christ, what the hell is wrong with this situation?!? The perfectly natural human body (well, in Watchmen it was blue, but you get the idea) is reviled, and considered disgusting to show, but murder, dismemberment, and any and all forms of violence are perfectly fine?
Holy fuck, society, you have no idea just how fucked up you are. Keep walking down this path, and we might as well be Iran. It makes me very sad to be alive in these times, and is one of the many reasons why I actively hate society here as a whole. If only countries that didn't have these fucked up priorities didn't have their own severe problems.
I've heard Iceland isn't that bad...
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Took years of therapy to deliberately repress memories of that Smurf gang bang.
"who's your papa?"
Finally it's here (Score:5, Funny)
I can't wait to have Alan Moore sign my copy of Watchman Babies: V for Vacation!
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Oooh, I wonder if he'll sign my print-out of Uncle Ghastly's picture of Alan Moore angrily fucking Alan Moore.
LINK NSFW!
http://www.ghastlycomic.com/d/20080809.html [ghastlycomic.com]
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I can't wait to have Alan Moore sign my copy of Watchman Babies: V for Vacation!
Shouldn't that be: V for Vaccination?
Next up: Watchmen Babies - The Weening.
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http://theoryofeverythingcomics.com/2009/03/collection-of-watchmenhostess-parodies.html [theoryofev...comics.com]
*Rorschach voice* (Score:2)
Greed (Score:5, Insightful)
Meanwhile, DC continues to show there is no move too desperate that they won't risk alienating their fans in the quest for the dollar.
(Note: Not multiple dollars, they'll do it for just 1....)
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Pft. No matter what, some fan will be unhappy, some will be happy. That's the way of things. For everybody wanting MOARHS SUPERMANS there is another who wants BAZTZMEN!
Oh sure, there's stuff they can do that's universally panned, but that's the exception more than the rule. And there are folks at DC who recognize that, just want the final episode of Brave and the Bold.
Re:Greed (Score:5, Insightful)
Meanwhile, DC continues to show there is no move too desperate that they won't risk alienating their fans in the quest for the dollar.
(Note: Not multiple dollars, they'll do it for just 1....)
What dollars? Wasn't the original Watchmen a huge financial bust? Along the lines of the studio guys saying they'd never do an R-Rated Comic movie again?
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The movie lost money, mainly because special effects are expensive and R cuts the audience. The comic was a huge money maker.
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"The movie lost money, mainly because special effects are expensive and R cuts the audience."
And because it was stupid and intensely boring.
One of the few regrets in my life is that I actually sat through the entire sixteen hours of the movie to see whether it would improve, whereas my girlfriend was smart enough to give up after half an hour.
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If you didn't like the movie you wouldn't have liked the comic. The movie was fun for fans of the comics and the sorts of people who would have liked the comic a generation later. That ain't nearly enough to make a major blockbuster special effects movie a financial success.
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I read the comic and found it boring too. Sure, it may have been a step above most comics of its era, but that doesn't make it good when compared to other forms of fiction.
I'd agree that the movie was only going to appeal to fans of the comic, which is why it was a silly idea in the first place.
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Interesting. Agreed you are a counter point. Though having read it almost 20 years after (and given you /. # I'm assuming you were born around 1990)... there might be something generational.
I read it same time as you (Score:2)
And I found the movie to be lacking too. It was beautiful, some shots were right out of the comic book, amazing.
But it just wasn't all that good.
Face it, art is a matter of taste. Intelligent minds can disagree, one person doesn't have to be deficient to disagree with another on things like this.
Honestly, what did you expect from Zach Snyder? He makes big, dumb, pretty movies. This movie was about all you could expect from him and them maybe some. But it just didn't make the grade. Some stories just don't f
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OK.... now I'm not sure. 10 years doesn't seem long enough to not relate.
Oh well.
Re:Greed (Score:4, Informative)
What dollars? Wasn't the original Watchmen a huge financial bust?
What are you talking about? it did quite well, especially for a high-priced format with no established characters. [comichron.com]
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According to typical Hollywood accounting practices no movie has ever made money
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What dollars? Wasn't the original Watchmen a huge financial bust? Along the lines of the studio guys saying they'd never do an R-Rated Comic movie again?
As noted by others, the movie wasn't a blockbuster, but the graphic novel is a perennial that's sold 2 million copies and counting.
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Don't be absurd! Nothing sells better to a changing, increasingly diverse market than taking your old formula and pushing it to extremes that no one has asked for! It works for celebrities and reality television!
Television viewers, for the most part, are not buying individual issues - they are tuned into a show and either watch it or not, or the network drops it due to ratings.
Comics have been becoming a parody unto themselves. All this seriousness... geez. It's like Soap Opera in graphical format. I expect even Comic Book Guy has to be wondering at some point where the magic went when it left comics.
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Re:Greed (Score:5, Funny)
I can't believe DC or Marvel would compromise artistic integrity for a buck.
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I can't believe DC or Marvel would compromise artistic integrity for a buck.
They're businesses. That's written into the Mission Statement.
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I can't believe DC or Marvel would compromise artistic integrity for a buck.
They're businesses. That's written into the Mission Statement.
Right under where it says, "Will sell out for money"
I kinda wonder if this is going to be like Lucas did with Star Wars .. in a few years another line will begin with the After Watchmen and then the Pre-Before Watchmen and like that there, culminating with factions of fans split between which was better before or after reimaginings of everything.
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I can't believe DC or Marvel would compromise artistic integrity for a buck.
Well done. Great use of sarcasm.
When I look at my two cartons of classic comic books which are worth about nil, thanks to their reprinting of comics, I realize you can never again look at them as something which could be considered 'investment' ever again. Buy 'em if you like them, but don't expect to get anything for Issue #1 or the Special Series or even the one where ____ kills off _____. Because they'll have them all re-printed and bound for people who want to just buy the whole collection in one vol
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Re:Greed (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a simple lesson here: Never treat something as an "investment" when the value is based entirely on artificial scarcity when the organization controlling the scarcity has no financial incentive to maintain the scarcity!
Money or stocks can be good investments because even though governments or corporations can issue new money/stock, it is detrimental to their own finances to do so without limit because they use that money and stock. So they have to balance reducing the scarcity with the resulting loss of value.
Marvel doesn't buy things with copies of Amazing Spiderman #1, the value of that comic has no direct effect on the company, so why would anyone assume they'd never do anything to tank its value?
Because publishers love secondary markets where they themselves don't see any of the profit, am I right?
I saw the same thing in Magic: The Gathering. Someone would pay hundreds of dollars for a rare first-print power card, and would rationalize it as an investment. Ha! Then -- to the surprise of only a few morons -- WotC reprinted most of these cards and made the originals next to worthless.
So, yeah, thinking of them as a long-term investment was kinda silly to begin with. And as the ACs pointed out, this has nothing to do with "artistic integrity" (it's about their money-grubbing vs yours), and is in fact better for the community at large because they get to enjoy the thing that before only a few did.
So yeah, thanks comic companies for spreading enjoyment and teaching people valuable economic lessons!
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So, yeah, thinking of them as a long-term investment was kinda silly to begin with. And as the ACs pointed out, this has nothing to do with "artistic integrity" (it's about their money-grubbing vs yours), and is in fact better for the community at large because they get to enjoy the thing that before only a few did.
Maybe they should have called it Occupy Magic the Gathering.
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Especially when you say "power", that refers to a very small pool of cards (nine)Especially when you say "power", that refers to a very small pool of cards (nine)
Oh! Yeah, I fucked that up, I'd used that term because it sounded right while totally forgetting it referred specifically to the Moxes, Black Lotus, and whatever the fuck the other ones were. It's been a long time.
They may not be the best form of money investment out there, but the anecdote you use to support your claim is spun out of whole cloth.
Now that's just not fair. If you're that in tune with the history of Magic then you know that something very much like what I said did happen, ergo not "whole cloth". Chronicles I think was the name of the first expansion that really did it and dropped the bottom out of the price for tons of c
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Wizards of the Coast has a long standing list of reserved cards which will not be reprinted.
As I told the AC who said the same thing: if that list existed at the time the Chronicles expansion came out and dropped the bottom out of the market for a huge number of old cards (and subsequent expansions that did the same thing to a lesser degree), then nobody in my community was aware of it. "Oh it's on their website" would have brought mostly blank stares. Frankly I doubt they had a web presence at the time. This was in the early 90s, you see. I'm an old-timer as such things go,. :)
And this list n
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Except it doesn't change the fact that your Issue #1 is a first edition Issue #1 and theirs isn't, it should still hold value to other collectors. And collectors are the only people it had special value to anyway.
Re:Greed (Score:4, Interesting)
Meanwhile, DC continues to show there is no move too desperate that they won't risk alienating their fans in the quest for the dollar.
Actually, DC & Moore’s original plan was to write a prequel – so it’s not like it a total violation of Moore’s idea. (That being said, what’s the chance that the writer will be able to match Moore’s original script?)
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Pretty solid, actually. DC really put some good writers on this project. J. Michael Stracyznski, Darwyn Cooke, Brian Azzarello, Len Wein. All great creators with the capacity for writing extremely well. The same thing can be said for the artistic side of the books involved. Every single book has A-list artistic talent on it.
And as Peter David said in his comments published by newsarama.com today, it's rather funny for Alan Moore to be all defensive about this considering that the characters he based Watchme
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[reading from journal] (Score:5, Insightful)
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Darn I have mod points but didn't read this one until I'd already commented above. Well done!
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What would Rorschach's journal read if it turns out to be really good?
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That should read "Moores Journal" surely
This hasn't already been done? (Score:3)
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Considering that WB owns DC, this is appropriate:
http://www.theonion.com/video/final-minutes-of-last-harry-potter-movie-to-be-spl,20528/ [theonion.com]
Watchmen 2: Revenge of Bubastis (Score:3, Funny)
A skeleton appears in a flock of penguins, and meows for 7 minutes.
A circulatory system stalks a walrus.
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Shaka, when the walls fell
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Temba, his arms wide. Sokath, his eyes uncovered!"
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I can't hate it until I actually read it. (Score:4, Insightful)
Having collected the original 12 issues of Watchmen in my youth I certainly loved it. It expanded my own ability to digest a story with moral and societal issues in the forefront and still be entertained.
No one can write better than Moore when he is on his game.
I have mad respect for Alan Moore's genius and for the story he created with Dave Gibbons in the Watchmen, but have you seen him lately? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moore [wikipedia.org] Looks like Rasputin's cousin.
That said,
Please forgive us o' Lord of the Comic Book medium. Some of us want to enjoy the characters you have brought into our imaginations further than you would like us too. We *know* you could have done better than these other talented writers and aritsts. We will treat these pre-quels and the movie and all other non-Moore Watchmen writings as apocrypha, outside of the true Watchmen canon.
'nuff said
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No doubt. Mad hermits always have useful dialog. They are just so hard to find.
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No doubt. Mad hermits always have useful dialog. They are just so hard to find.
I think every character Alan Moore writes is autobiographical, in a Walter Mitty-esque way.
and if I were Superman when Superman gets old I'll be like this ...
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Wild hair notwithstanding, Moore's been at the top of his game these past 10+ years IMO. Dunno if I'm that interested in this one, although I did enjoy the movie.
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The original Watchmen series is a testament to Moore's genius, that series is an enigmatic milestone in graphic novel story telling. Its a study of the "Superhero" with their vulnerabilities and strengths, and how, ultimately, if they existed, would be ultimately human with human failings, and human virtues. The film was a faithful retelling of the story, right down to its look, and for that I really enjoyed it. Its a long film though, and I think it kind of lost its way with audiences unfamiliar with Watc
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Judgement, yes. But not in a negative way really. It's also not an insult. Moore knows what he looks like and he want to look like this for a reason. I was just pointing out the obvious difference between him and us masses. This man lives in his head and spends much less time on our "plane of existence" than I. (Many genius people do.) Or compare him to Gandalf to the rest of the inhabitants of Middle-Earth, if you can do without a nerdgasm.
My question of "have you seen him lately" was light-hearted
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Speak for yourself, I live in my head as much as I can. Jersey Shore just doesn't hold the appeal that epistemology does.
Lol, he does look like Theodin. But... so what? Like you said yourself, he looks that way ON PURPOSE.
Its a barrier to keep the fools away who might be put off by things like the length of your hair or beard. Which is very silly, when things like morality and char
Twelve seconds, into my past, I open the comic. (Score:5, Funny)
Desperation they name is Comics Publishing (Score:2)
Didn't really care much for Watchmen - I felt it didn't live up to expectations. Sounds like DC is thrashing around trying to find a new readership/revenue stream.
By Any Other Name (Score:1)
It hurts... (Score:2)
Milking material in their death throes? (Score:2)
Marvel and DC are both struggling to retain a dwindling comic book fan-base, thrashing about with the 52 (though I am enjoying a few of those titles) and whatever Marvel has come up with when they are not busy republishing old material as e-comics or making half-assed movies. Maybe they should try and rein in their ambitions a bit - both of them.
Watchmen? Enjoyed the comics, enjoyed the movie adaptation, but I don't think it was popular enough to warrant any form of sequel or prequel...?
The problem is copyright (Score:2, Insightful)
If Superman, Batman and to a lesser degree Marvel properties like Spider-Man were nearing the end of their copyright existence, rather than being in a sort of perpetual copyright, they'd be could let their characters age, and possibly even die, as they near the end of their exclusivity. They'd also be more likely to develop new flagship characters to take their place. But the current copyright regime allows the characters to just continue existing, as they are, without any new creativity.
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and whatever Marvel has come up with when they are not busy republishing old material as e-comics or making half-assed movies
Actually, Marvel's been pretty good lately what with their New Avengers / House of M / Civil War / Secret Invasion / Dark Reign / Siege stories. Notable exceptions being the "death" of Captain America and Spiderman betraying his morals to make a deal with Mephisto (Spiderman is the moral compass of the Marvel Universe).
Overrated (Score:1)
Watchman seems very overrated. Since when is "everyone just plays along and pretends nothing happened" a good ending? The movie was better because the behavior of the characters and the rest of the world was less inexplicably weird. If someone seems to be acting strangely, the readers deserve an explanation other than "the writer wrote it that way".
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Huh? I remember the movie and comic endings being nearly identical, especially in that regard -- everyone but Rorschach plays along, because only Rorschach was completely sure he was doing the right thing in the first place. Everyone else is like "Oh, hey, maybe this was worth avoiding nuclear war."
I think I may be misunderstanding your point.
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No, you're right, it wasn't that the act itself was justified. It was that them keeping quiet about it and going along was justified.
Mayfair Games already did this with DC Heroes RPG (Score:4, Informative)
Fuck prequels (Score:2)
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I'd really like a back story on why you say this.
Poor Alan Moore (Score:2)
Sucks to be a writer, I guess.
Was the Watchman film good? (Score:1)
I watched the film, but was totally disapointed and bored. I'm no fan of the comic, in fact I only knew about the comic when I saw the trailer for the film. There was too many characters in the film and I didn't really care about them. The film don't introduce them to me so if you don't know them you don't care. Also there were too many characters and the film was always jumping between them with no real connection.
I think it was totally overrated and really just not a good film.
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Why oh why ? (Score:2)
Moore expected the rights back long ago (Score:4, Interesting)
To everyone who sees nothing wrong with this, please remember the DC was supposed to return the rights to Watchmen back to Moore when the collection went out of print. Moore was the victim of the story's popularity, though, as it was one of the first graphic novels to sell enough to remain in print for a long time. I imaging Warner and DC have no intention of allowing it to be out of print at all now, following the letter of the contact but violating the spirit of the agreement.
More Flashbacks? (Score:3)
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By filling the prequel with flash-forwards of course.
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Yea, I mean, what the fuck? This site is supposed to be "News for Nerds". Has anyone ever heard of a nerd who likes comic books? That's just ridiculous, everyone knows only jocks and hipsters read comic books.....
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as if the first movie didn't suck enough. If you haven't read the comics, you should. The movie does the comic books no justice at all.
Bad movies don't matter. They'll just reboot and try again in a few years. The public apparently doesn't notice.
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. . . hard cord porn.
FYI, that's actually the effect the stuff has, not so much its name.
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