Joe Cornish To Write and Direct Snow Crash Movie 256
SomePgmr tips this quote from Geek.com:
"Fans of the cyberpunk novel Snow Crash have reason to rejoice today, as it's been announced that the film adaptation of Neal Stephenson's classic has been revived once again, this time with an exciting writer and director at the helm in the form of Joe Cornish. Cornish is known for his recent sci-fi alien invasion flick Attack the Block, which was filmed and released in the UK by the same studio that put out Shaun of the Dead. Cornish's first film came to the U.S. in a limited release in 2011 and did well enough that Paramount took notice and pursued Cornish for the Snow Crash project."
new ending? (Score:5, Interesting)
Is Stephenson going to write a new ending for the movie? As I recall the book didn't really have one in the first place.
Re:new ending? (Score:5, Insightful)
The ending was fine... the main bad guy was dealt with and the henchmen slips into the night (figuratively).
What else do you need?
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iirc, it was a big shootout on the tarmac, so hollywood will make that bigger than it was in the book and rub a little feel-good follow-up on it.
The book did feel like Stephenson just got tired of all the awesome and wrapped it up in a few pages, though.
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Yeah, the Rat Thing plowing through the fuel storage tank and taking out Rife in a huge fireball of awesome seems pretty damn Hollywood to me.
Sweet Jesus, that whole scene needs to bring the noise.
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When she jumps from the chopper she makes the same noise, 2 second onscreen flashback as he crashes through the glass/jumps the brick wall and races to the finish.
Basi
Re:new ending? (Score:5, Interesting)
To build on the AC who beat me to it, they should introduce the Rat Thing as a machine, and not at all make it look dog-like, but have a series of flashbacks when it realizes Hiro is in trouble, having a younger-but-recognizable-Hiro playing with the dog, the dog remembering being kidnapped, remembers a flash of machines in a lab, Robocop-style, flashes back again to the boy-Hiro, calling him. Rat Thing blasts through wall, maybe barking in a techo-distorted fashion, and begins terminal acceleration. You can throw in a variable number of flashbacks from dog POV, running towards the boy, intercutting with shots of Rat Thing going multi-Mach on the highway, to make it even clearer. As the Rat Thing hits the fuel tank, have a slow-mo of it starting to fly apart from the impact, intercut with scenes of the boy and the dog, falling down, laughing and rolling around.
No sweat. I could do it myself. It's all CGI, so it's infinitely malleable.
I just want to cry a little for the Rat Thing at the movie, like I did when I read the book. Best unexpected tragic hero figure in years.
Hollywood, call me. I remember how really good movies worked, and can help you remember.
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Whoops. YT's dog, not Hiro's dog. Please run s/Hiro/YT on my post, before flaming.
Re:new ending? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Caught myself, but not before I posted. Thanks for letting me know I'm not the only one who got misty for Rat Thing, who got to do the Dog Loyalty Payback program, writ large.
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Makes you want to "Reason" with them, doesn't it.
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He was the henchman, he got away...
He'll show up in the next Bond movie, except this time he'll have metal teeth and won't talk.
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That shows up in Snow Crash 2: The Search for More Money
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The setting is interesting. As long as you view the whole thing as satire. The writing style is enjoyable. But as soon as they start to get
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I'm not so sure - I mean, sure he's taken something and polished it up to technobabble, but suggestion is very powerful, as is hypnosis, and the same can apply to Neuro-linguistic programming. Even cognitive-behaviour therapy could be considered as some form of language-therapy, so Stephenson's Sumerian as a primitive language that affects us at a more instinctive level and has a stronger effect.
Well, that's my rationale for it - but whatever, the big thing is that its no as unbelievable as much of the stuf
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Would that be so bad? Blade Runner didn't really have an ending either in the Director's Cut, which is considered the better version now.
Re:new ending? (Score:4, Insightful)
...Wow I just about went all internet fan boy...
So rather than making a declarative statement on my internet soapbox, let me say that it's my point of view that Blade Runner was terrible. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep dealt with some beautiful ideas, the movie bastardizes most of them.
Dick's writing revolved around less-than-ordinary individuals thrown into extraordinary situations. This mechanism created some deeply powerful moments were Dick was able to make comments on globalized culture and the introduction of advanced technology to culture.
Time and time again, people try and turn Dick's books into movies and every time the real heart of the story is lost in translation. ...Resisting urge to be Phillip K. Dick fan boy...
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I thought A Scanner Darkly was pretty close to the book...
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I've actually avoided that one. The book was a treatise on the consequences of drug addiction; when I asked a good friend if that was there he laughed. So I'm working on second hand information, but in my mind that book is actually the hardest of Dick's library to translate to film.
I have not seen it though, so I can only base things on second hand information.
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I'll give it a shot...
Re:new ending? (Score:5, Informative)
Are you seriously suggesting that Blade Runner (the movie) has nothing to say about "globalized culture and the introduction of advanced technology to culture"? The visualization of the city alone is an incredible (and increasingly prescient) commentary on these subjects.
Are you aware that Philip K Dick, while sadly dying before the final film was complete, saw some early footage and LOVED it? A letter he wrote:
(Source: http://www.philipkdick.com/new_letters-laddcompany.html [philipkdick.com])
So as another Philip K Dick fan (and yes I've read Androids), if you want to say the movie isn't as good as the book, fine (an incredibly boring & obvious statement, but fine). But calling it terrible? Something the author himself described in transcendant terms, as a new birth for the genre, and as justifying his life's work? Philip K Dick would punch you in the face, "fanboy".
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lolz
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Care to expand on that?
I'm not saying your opinion is "wrong", I'm giving MY opinion that you're being incredibly presumptuous about speaking for how well Dick's ideas were translated.
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It's a subjective thing. The most important element in Do Androids... to me, was the juxtaposition of a less-than-ordinary man in an extraordinary circumstance. Northrop Frye, a 20th century literary theorist, postulated that the hero has undergone an extraordinary transformation starting with our first written stories and moving forward to today. Basically, he argues that things exist on a spectrum and that different ages have different takes on what the story protagonist should be like. In Ancient Gre
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Haha no doubt. Saw "Radio Free Albemuth" a while back at a film fest (even got to meet the writer/director). Phil had.. an interesting mind. :)
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I think the ending was fine at the time it was written. Nowadays, selling AV software doesn't seem a better job than high-speed pizza delivery, but that's not Stephenson's fault.
Dwayne Johnson as Raven. (Score:4, Interesting)
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Cloe Moretz as YT (Score:3)
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It's not how old they are, it's how old they look.
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Unless they cut the hell out of the story, YT will not be played by a kid. Doubt even the character could remain a minor in the movie version.
Re:Dwayne Johnson as Raven. (Score:4, Insightful)
Depending on how long it takes to get this off the ground, my money would actually be on Jason Momoa - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0597388/ [imdb.com]
Height doesn't particularly matter on film, they have all sorts of tricks to make someone look taller than they are. And the rock is quite a bit more muscular than I ever pictured Raven but maybe that's just me.
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I don't think either one could pass as an inuit native American.
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Like Joe Sixpack has the slightest clue what an Inuit looks like.
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It's nothing but dreaming/speculation anyway. I wasn't interested in dream about dumbing it down to Joe Sixpack level.
It wouldn't even need to be an Inuit, but someone who looks more native American I think would make a better fit.
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My vote would be Tahmoh Penikett.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0671886/
(Helo from Battlestar Galactica for those that don't click the link)
The actual casting: (Score:2)
Hiro Protagonist - Hologram Tupac
Y.T. - Flo from Progressive Insurance
Raven - Peter Dinklage
Rife - Michael J. Fox
Juanita - Sarah Jessica Parker
Joe Cornish? (Score:2)
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"I want... ROOM SERVICE!!!"
No... just no. A thousand times no.
Read this when it was Hugo nominee (Score:2)
But I didn't pick it on my voting ballot. I think I picked "Doomsday Book" instead. (Oh and also Babylon 5's "Coming of Shadows".) I was unimpressed by the novel, and thought it very depressing. Like film noire; another genre I've never enjoyed.
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Everyone listens to Reason.
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Because there are four things we do better than anyone else: music, movies, microcode(software), and high-speed pizza delivery.
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And nothing of lasting cultural value ;)
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I hope they actually consult a physicist when they do that gun, the lack of recoil needs an explanation.
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There was something about their boat banging up against another boat after he fired. It had recoil, just not enough.
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What lack of recoil? The gun moved the boat. That's recoil.
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What lack of recoil? The gun moved the boat. That's recoil.
See, you perfectly demonstrated why they need an actual physicist. Not enough recoil for the energy that was transfered to the depleted uranium fleshettes. Why bother with the nod to the believable depleted uranium idea if the rest of the physics is just a mockery? I'm willing to suspend my disbelief on the question of packing a nuclear power plant into a suitcase without shielding, but not simple Newtonian mechanics.
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What lack of recoil? p.337-8:
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Kinetic energy is 1/2*Mass*Velocity^2 . Momentum (which is the cause of recoil) is simply Mass*Velocity. So, if the projectiles have very low mass, but are travelling very fast (consistent with the description of Reason), the recoil would not be heavy even though the delivered kinetic energy is high.
Oh nice, you just refuted Newton's third law. Now I await with breathless anticipation the announcement of your star drive.
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Well, maybe if you're dealing with frictionless, spherical cows.
It will double the momentum of the recoil, not the velocity. The mass of the gun + boat + water moved by the boat is much, much higher than the mass of the projectiles. The drag from the water will go up steeply with velocity, at least the square. Also the damage done is related more to the impulse rather than the momentum per se. The projectile acts over perhaps a two tenths of a microsecond on the hull of the target, the recoil can be spread
If he's allowed free reign... (Score:5, Interesting)
This could be very good. Joe Cornish appears in both Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz (OK, in Shaun it's as "uncredited zombie") and seems to have much the same interests and outlook on life as Simon Pegg and Nick Frost.
I can see The Deliverators run being done as a Bond style pre-credits sequence and being awesome...
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Whelp (Score:5, Interesting)
Seeing as how screenplays for Snow Crash have been kicking around almost as long as the book itself, I'm amazed it finally got picked up. Still, I don't have high hopes. What made the book great for me were the odd turns of phrase, the staccato pacing, and the entirely correct number of giant penis avatars wandering around The Street.
How are they going to represent Vitaly Chernobyl's Nuclear Fuzz Grunge? Are we going to get the glorious Nipponese rap styling of Sushi-K?
How much in the future will this take place? Are they going to whitewash Hiro?
Obviously, these are all rhetorical and after what Disney did to John Carter of Mars... well.
Re:Whelp (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Whelp (Score:4, Interesting)
Seeing as how screenplays for Snow Crash have been kicking around almost as long as the book itself, I'm amazed it finally got picked up. Still, I don't have high hopes.
Perhaps Stephenson's depiction of a hyper-privatized society struggling with disruptive technologies, unpredictable religious groups, and the complete usurpation of rational discourse (all while a marginalized federal government steeps ineffectually in its own paranoia) has never been more applicable to current events. The text is ripe for exploiting (and commenting on) the current political zeitgeist...
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For some reason, I always imagined Sushi-K as fat and blubbery.
Fingers crossed (Score:2)
The book definitely has no shortage of movie-worthy scenes, but it's gonna take a really good director to string it all together.
Inscrutable (Score:5, Informative)
I took a class in Mandarin, and was sorely disappointed to learn that KFC is not actually called the "House of the Ancient and Inscrutable Colonel".
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(That's from Diamond Age though.)
Tough cram job. What to cut? (Score:3)
It's going to be tough. There's too much in that book to cram into a movie, and most of it contributes to the main plot. What to cut?
Probably most of the virtual reality. VR was more promising in 1992 than it is now. It's been way overdone in movies. Show Hiro in gloves and goggles gear in his storage space, and others briefly in similar gear when appropriate, but spend little screen time on VR.
Use Juanita Marquez, Hiro's ex-girlfriend and linguist/mythologist , as the designated explainer for the psycho-religious stuff. Somebody has to do that job.
If they're lucky, they might be able to get Chloe Grace Moretz ("Hit Girl") as Y.T. That's the toughest casting decision. Any of the usual big hunks can play Raven. A number of older actors could play Uncle Enzo. Ng is a CG character. No idea who should play Hiro.
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A modern take on VR would probably be better - perhaps some directed-to-retina laser displays, and Kinect-style motion-sensing, or nerve-impulse tracking so the person doesn't have to move.
I hope Adam Buxton gets to play someone. The librarian would do.
Adam & Joe (Score:2)
Joe Cornish was also one of the 2 screenwriters on Adventures of Tintin (meh). But better known in the UK as half of 'Adam & Joe' of TV long past and radio (but not recently). Podcasts here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/adamandjoe [bbc.co.uk]
I enjoy the podcasts, and would (selfishly) rather that he returned to radio than futz about in Hollywood. They probably pay better than the BBC, though.
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I really enjoyed Tintin, for one.
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I really enjoyed Tintin, for one.
Fair enough (I'm not sure what he was responsible for or when he was brought in to the process), but I would recommend the A&J podcasts, they're pretty orthogonal to his screenwriting/directing, except for the obvious steeped-in-movies (rather than 'film') that they share with Simon Pegg.
Really? Snow Crash? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of all the Stephenson novels to be made into film, why Snow Crash?
Zodiac is perfect for cinema in terms of scope, relevance, and length. When I read it I thought, "this would lend itself to a screenplay."
Cryptonomicon. Just wow. It could be a cornerstone of 21st century cinema if it was done right.
And the Baroque Cycle. It would have to be a trilogy like LotR, but IMO it's far more easily adapted for the screen than Snow Crash. Or at least, it has more of a mainstream appeal. (Come on, the penultimate climax scene where Peter the Great, Isaac Newon, Baron Leibniz, and Daniel Waterhouse come together is epic.)
Finally. Diamond Age. If there was one C-Punk movie I could ask to be made into a film, by a devoted producer/director, it would be The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer [wikipedia.org]. Really, it's like the Ender's Game of cyberpunk.
The only reason it's Snow Crash is because that title sold more copies. Pure and simple. Name recognition = box office sales. Nothing else matters in Hollywood these days.
A Win? (Score:2)
tldr; Flop.
MC's preliminary review of the movie adaption of this iconic novel is: 2 1/2 Stallmans and an opening weekend of $382,000. Fail.
Give me a mainstream writer/director with a big budget any day. Not six degrees of separation between the director and success. Dragonlance all over again.
MC
I can't believe this is going to get made before.. (Score:2)
...Neuromancer.
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Yeah, how will the whole Raven/Dentata scene get handled? Really, its not huge to the plot, so if that gets left out I wouldn't be terribly upset.
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Instead of a Dentata they'll probably do something lame like knock-out lipstick.
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This person may be able to fill the role well.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0989959/ [imdb.com]
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Excellent choice! Something tells me this one could do a good job with it, too.
Could, but doubtful. Take a look at what she has been in, it's all goody goody family friendly shows with some voice work thrown in.
Then again, this could end up being her coming out movie. Like when Woody Harrelson who was known mainly for his Woody Boyd character on Cheers went and stared in Natural Born Killers.
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God no. They've been making a lot of horrible movies lately.
Give it to someone fresher. I think having the Attack the Block guy take a shot at it is a very good idea.
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Correct. There is also only one Highlander movie, no Star Wars prequels were made, there was only one season of Heroes. The world is a better place this way.
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What is this Matrix you are speaking of?
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I did and I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I rather liked them.
Re:Am I the ony one who didn't like Snow Crash? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Am I the ony one who didn't like Snow Crash? Yes
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No you're not the only one. I read it when it was a Hugo nominee, but was unimpressed by the novel, and thought it very depressing. Like film noire (black film) which is another genre I've never enjoyed.
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Okay ... . Now you've peaked my curiosity.
Why, exactly, did you feel the need to explain to world+dog that film noire translated as black film? I'm hoping you know that some of the best films ever made, include Blade Runner, are in the film noire 'style'.
I just get this feeling that you think Shaft is film noire, and I've had enough headaches today.
Technically speaking, 'film noir' does mean 'black film' in French. Of course this only applies if you assume that it is a term that needs to be translated, it really doesn't.
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It was a like an Ritalin-addicts pastiche of William Gibson.
Hah, there is no accounting for personal taste. That tagline would sell me any book that bore it.
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I tried to read it, but couldn't get past the first 100 pages. It was trying soooooo hard to be cool & edgy it turned me off.
Never thought about it before, but now that you mention it I think it's a bit tounge-in-cheek. Works out well with that in mind. Although I never cared much for Gibson ...
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I read this shortly after reading Neuromancer, and it paled by comparison for me. Never understood the hype either and I had to force myself to finish it. It just felt kind fo goofy. Not to knock anyone who enjoyed it.
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I found the writing to be horribly flawed, but he threw such fun ideas at me so fast that I didn't care. From Rat Thing to Reason to pizza delivery to smart wheels to the whole Sumerian language thing, to name only a few.
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Let's hope it isn't anything like the second and third matrix movies. And not very much like the original Matrix either, which actually kind of sucked in many respects but got a pass for its stylish moments and of course gave us some nice scren savers.
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Wow, so what movies do you think didn't suck at all? I was perfectly happy with the Matrix, but maybe I just have an unusually low entertainment threshold or something.
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Wow, so what movies do you think didn't suck at all?
Lord or the rings? Except for a few stupid lapses like ridiculously oversized elephants, unecessary dwarf tossing and excessive reliance on the ghost army to win the day at Minas Tirith.
I just watched Lawrence of Arabia and was incredibly impressed. Nobody can afford to make movies like that any more, it would cost billions.
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I was saying I was perfectly happy with the first one.
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Unfortunately, people now will be completely nonplussed when they see the app.
> I want to see some awesome skating scenes (featuring pooning an electric car going its top speed of 10 mph)
Please don't use that word. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
nonplussed - Surprised and confused so much that they are unsure how to react. it can also mean "not troubled."
If you mean unimpressed, just say unimpressed. If you mean underwhelmed, say underwhelmed.
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The name is meant to be a pun, you missed that?
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Considering the theme of viral religion, that would be some neat meta-irony.
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Just coming.
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