UK Apple Shop Forced To Change Its Name 174
tlhIngan writes "The Apple Shop, in Norfolk, UK is a little corner store that sells apple products. Not Apple products, but apple products, in this case, cider. However, it's been forced to change its name to the Norfolk Cider Shop. However, the name change did not come from any lawsuit from Apple (the Cupertino one, that is), nor has there been any evidence that Apple (Cupertino) knew about them. Instead, they're changing their name because their phones have been ringing constantly from people seeking help with their Apple (Cupertino) products. Apple (Cupertino) opened an Apple store in 2009 in the nearby (larger) town of Norwich."
So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Informative)
So by forced to change their name, what they really mean is they chose to change their name because people were mistaking them for the Apple Store?
Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Funny)
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They should have partnered with Samsung/Microsoft and got them to open a shop next door. When all the people looking to buy a new tablet or laptop turn up and realize they are in the wrong place the first thing they see is the handy shop next door selling the very thing they wanted.
People should know better though. Apple always open "stores" (American), not shops (British).
Missed a golden opportunity. (Score:5, Funny)
How much money could they have made letting some guy from a PC maker come in and be their receptionist? He could listen to their problems, then lead them on a chase through trouble-shooting land, and say at the end, "well, maybe you should have bought a PC, genius!) And hang UP. Then that person, angry at what he BELIEVES is Apple Corp. tech support, and switches to a PC. Apple (of Cupertino) sufffers, eventually failing.
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I think you might be overestimating the influence of this little fruit shop...
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Forced would work fine in this situation. They felt they had no choice but to change their name in order to avoid the large volume of confused calls.
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Forced would work fine in this situation. They felt they had no choice
No, no it wouldn't. They can have felt forced, but it doesn't mean they were forced.
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No, he illustrated why you said something indefensible.
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You are right, if you deny the possibility of ever being forced to do anything. Do you deny the entire notion of force?
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Only if you deny the possibility of being forced to do anything. Name something that counts to you as "being forced" and I bet I can deny it as easily you just did.
Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Insightful)
Had that been the case, them including the service of consulting, repairing, recommending, or selling Apple (Cupertino) branded products or accessories, that probably would have given Apple (Cupertino) the necessary ammunition to sue them to change their name... even if the apple (fruit) products were the primary function of the store still.
It sounds like a lose/lose... Either you get the phone ringing, taking up your time and business and pulling you away from your customers walking in the door, to the point you change your name... or you take advantage of the opportunity, and open yourself up to being sued for the name.
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How about selling "Eye Pad Cider"? That way they could rake in cash from confused customers.
Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Insightful)
"Welcome to the Apple Shop. We specialize in cider and cider related products.
If you would like help with your computer, press 1.
For any other enquiries regarding cider products, press 2.
1. "The Apple Shop does not sell computer products. Please wait to be transferred to Apple customer service in Norwich. You will be charged 30p for this transfer."
2. "Apple Shop. Hello, how may I help hou?"
There, FTFY.
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You are assuming people actually listen to what is being played to them on the recording.
What will actually happen will be:
Machine (as heard by caller): Welcome to the Apple Shop. phase out press 1. For any other enqueries...
User: press 2
Shachar
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And since the big problem is the number of callers about Apple computer products it would still achieve it's purpose.
I find it hard to believe that a cider store would field a large number of calls from its customer base. As soon as someone with a complaint / enquiry about cider ends up at the Apple helpdesk they may call back and learn to listen.
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Illegal in the UK unfortunately.
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Had that been the case, them including the service of consulting, repairing, recommending, or selling Apple (Cupertino) branded products or accessories, that probably would have given Apple (Cupertino) the necessary ammunition to sue them to change their name
They didn't need to do that... they just needed to get a call center to screen their calls and funnel any 'business opportunities' to a marketing partner, in exchange for a referral fee.
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Sounds to me like a lost business opportunity. If they stumbled upon a significant demand for a service, then should've simply expanded their offerings to include that service. I'm not sure why you would go to the trouble of changing your name to avoid having to deal with people asking to do business with you.
Their regular customer repellant was not working.
Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:4, Informative)
I'm guessing they're happy selling cider and don't have any interest or expertise in servicing computers.
Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Funny)
I'm guessing they're happy selling cider and don't have any interest or expertise in servicing computers.
So what you're saying, is they are exactly like the other Apple stores.
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Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:4, Informative)
No, then that would become trademark infringement...Apple Inc has a trademark to use Apple in a variety of computer-related fields, while this store is using it legally in an unrelated field. If they were to switch or add computer services to their business, then they would be infringing on Apple Inc's trademark.
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Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds to me like a lost business opportunity.
Extra strong cider (10% alcohol) might help people who have problems with their Apple products. At least, it will help them forget their problems.
A round or iCider, anyone . . . ?
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Insightful? Not really, guys.
Had they been inundated with phone calls seeking service in a related field to their own field of expertise, then yeah, I can see attempting to expand into that related field.
Making cider and related apple products has squat to do with computer support. The store may or may not have had any personnel who were qualified to work in that unrelated field, but they are certainly not set up to work in that field.
If I ran an auto detail business, and a local aviation mechanic had a s
Re:So by forced, they mean chose (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds to me like a lost business opportunity. If they stumbled upon a significant demand for a service, then should've simply expanded their offerings to include that service. I'm not sure why you would go to the trouble of changing your name to avoid having to deal with people asking to do business with you.
I know how annoying this can be. My home phone number was one digit off from a beauty parlor when I lived in a small town. I got several calls every day from people trying to set up appointments. I tried to explain that they had the wrong number but the calls persisted. Finally, in desperation, I just started making appointments. Sometimes a dozen a day. After a couple of months the calls dwindled down to nothing. A guy's gotta do what he has to do.
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Finally, in desperation, I just started making appointments. Sometimes a dozen a day. After a couple of months the calls dwindled down to nothing. A guy's gotta do what he has to do.
It's a good thing the calls for the doctor's office stopped coming in before I read your comment...
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My number is one digit off a chinese takeaway nearby... Constantly getting "Can I place an order?" calls...
My usual response is "NO!" hangup.
Might have to try taking the order when I'm feeling extra petulant... :)
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A colleague of mine did the same. He was inundated with calls because a company's (vet I think) flier has the wrong number on it. He even told the company that the number was wrong but they kept sending it out. Would have loved to have been a fly on wall when they had to tell customers that there was no appointment - how not to run a business.
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Remember the song Jenny (867-5309) from the '80s? At the time, dozens of people were forced to change their phone number ... though at least one business changed their TO 8675309. But then again. they didn't really have anyone named Jenny answering the phones. In fact, their answering machine message started with "Jenny's not here right now ..."
Or then again there's adaware.com which was an ADA-related programming site, as opposed to the ad-blocking program Ad-Aware (someone forgot to check whether the web
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Sounds to me like a lost business opportunity. ...... should've simply expanded their offerings to include that service.
I don't think you know Norfolk. I am suprised they have even got as far as installing land-line phones there, let alone selling Cupurtino products. I think they will stick to selling cider.
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Except their business wasn't even close to being the same, so they've got no experience to branch out.
When did that ever stop anyone?
Impressive! (Score:5, Insightful)
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The repeated use of "(Cupertino)" was especially vagaffective.
Re:Impressive! (Score:5, Funny)
remember when /. was edited by people with a brain?
Says a user with a facebook icon. :)
Re:Impressive! (Score:4, Interesting)
you sir, have summed up everything in a very eloquent manner. remember when /. was edited by people with a brain?
Somebody worked on slashdot prior to CmdrTaco?
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Let me guess, you've just temporarily misplaced the password for your three-digit UID?
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No, I don't remember that. I've been reading since 1998. When was this golden age of which you speak? In 1998 we definitely complained about the editors in almost every single story. Back then it was egregious typos as well as style and tone.
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remember when /. was edited by people with a brain?
Nope.
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I mean I guess the summary could have been written in a more cunty way, but I don't see how. So high fives all round!
Challenge accepted!
TFS could have made a snide generalization about how dumb typical apple users would have to be to confuse a cider store with a computer store.
Or maybe a bad pun: cider/cyber or apple/app springs to mind...
There is always more cuntiness readily available in the world.
The problem the Norfolk Cider shop will have now is all the people calling them up trying to get pear cider, when they are an apple cider store which no longer has the word apple in their name. Oh the humanity!
This is News (Score:1)
NEWS FOR NERDS!!!111!!1
What's that sound I hear? (Score:5, Funny)
You say apple ... (Score:2)
... and I say Apple ... let's call the whole thing off.
apple is still evil (Score:5, Funny)
i mean who names a computer company after a fruit, so all the fruit sellers get spammed with calls about computers?
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I should totally steal their idea and start a tech company in the UK called Orange.
Oh, wait...
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No they haven't completely rebranded as EE. EE is a brand of Everything Everywhere, which is a joint venture between T-Mobile and Orange communications. EE is only used for the 4G service at the moment, and Orange and T-Mobile are alive and well for the 3G services.
It gets very confusing, but basically, the name of the joint venture is EE, and EE operates 3 brands, EE, Orange and T-Mobile.
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I'm guessing you've never been to cider producing counties. Yeovil by night is... an experience.
McDonalds verses McDonalds (Score:5, Interesting)
Waiting to see what happens (Score:4, Interesting)
The little town of Empire, Colorado (about an hour west of Denver, on U.S. 40 headed toward Winter Park ski area) has an eatery/bar/town offices called "The Hard Rock Cafe". Empire was a hard rock mining town until most precious metal mining operations left the U.S. I'm thinking this place has been called the Hard Rock Cafe since long before the trendy, international chain took up the name. Haven't heard about any legal moves to make them change their name.
Cheers,
Dave
Apples (Score:4)
The many forms and uses of apples is a small miracle. And yes, it's technology of a kind.
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You forgot the good ol' Red Delicious. Possibly on purpose? In the US anyway it's the epitome of the "industrial apple." I wouldn't be surprised to find it on sale around the globe.
I don't recognize any of the varieties on your list but then I'm anything but a epicure. There's no less than 7.5k cultivars of apples so it's not surprising that a list from another country might be full of names that are unfamiliar.
Funny: To begin researching this I highlighted the word 'Apple' and right-clicked in Chrome;
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Arkansas Blacks [orangepippin.com], if you can find them, are a nice substitute for boring ol’ Red Delicious, the beefsteak tomato of apples. They’re a lovely dark color, more interesting flavor than RD, and they last forever hanging around at room temperature without even getting mealy.
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And you left out the McIntosh!
But you're dancing around an important issue (Score:3)
Are all those apples being raised in a walled garden?
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That's an interesting list of apples. The only one of those I've heard of is Cox's Orange Pippin, and I've tried a lot of apples. I'm guessing you are Swedish and those are local varieties? My favorite apples are Snowsweet, Spigold, and Pink Pearl. If you like apples you should definitely seek those varieties out. It is pretty amazing how many different varieties of apples (and other crops for that matter) there are and what you can do with them. Crop cultivation & use is most certainty a technolo
PICK UPS (Score:2)
One of my colleagues has a similar story. He used to work for UPS and one day got a call (or someone near him got a call, not sure) from a person complaining about receiving upwards of 30 calls per hour from people asking to have UPS pick up their packages. The problem was that the person's phone number happened to be (local area code)-742-5877 and all of the callers should have been dialing 1-800-742-5877 (1-800 PICK UPS).
The individual wanted UPS to do something to "fix" the problem, something that did
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The individual wanted UPS to do something to "fix" the problem, something that didn't require him to get a new phone number.
Or he'll sell it to FedEx?
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Question: Does the user of that number actually "own" it? In other words, does one user have the rights to transfer that number to another user, or only forfeit it in exchange from another via phone provider? I'm not sure phone numbers are transferable like domain names are.
Apparently they can be transferred (sometimes, at least); I could have sworn someone tried to sell 212-867-5309 on eBay but was unable to transfer "ownership." Looking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/867-5309/Jenny#Popularity_and_litigation [wikipedia.org] for a citation, I saw no reference to 212, but a 201 instance was successfully sold and transferred. My guess is that it probably depends on the carrier and/or local regulations.
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Good question. I effectively 'own' my home phone number. Due to number portability regulations, I can transfer it to any service provider I want. If I find a service provider that allows me to resell that number, who would stop the transaction? If one refuses, I can just switch to the next one.
Ain't the free market wonderful?
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I say average 1/day, but in reality i
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Ew. What phone system is this? I had this working on our old Altigen system, and I'm sure I could make it work on our "more recent" Comdial (which may or may not be more recent, depending on whether you're counting manufacturing date or initial design date).
Please let me know so I can avoid it or research it more properly in the future: The callback button
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I'd bitch at the phone guys, then. They're doing their job poorly.
It can automatically insert the 8. It can also insert (or not) a 1 for long distance when needed.
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Out of curiosity, why haven't you just had your internal extension changed? It seems an especially pertinent question given this story.
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Hidden Camera Footage (Score:2)
Footage of one of the incidents has been discovered. [youtube.com]
Hushed (Score:2)
Tell customers ... (Score:5, Funny)
Just put them in the cider press and Voila! No more problems!
Oo'ar oo'ar ay (Score:2)
I drinks it all of the day
I am a cider drinker
It soothes all me troubles away
Oo'ar oo'ar ay, Oo'ar oo'ar ay
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Sounds like a missed opportunity (Score:3, Interesting)
TAS: "Hello, The Apple Shop"
Caller: "I'm having trouble with..."
TAS (interrupts): "We have a special offer going on today that I highly recommend. It's our exclusive Cider Club membership which will deliver our latest products to you every month, year-round. And when you come into our shop you will get VIP service at our Juice (slur pronunciation) Bar. This is a limited time offer."
Caller: "Wow that sounds great how much is this Cyber (don't correct them) Club?"
TAS: "It's just £199 for the year, billed on a recurring basis. I can take your credit card information now."
Caller: "Sounds too good to be true! Sign me up!"
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Good idea, but people who have broken products are probably going to be in a bad mood and aren't going to put up with that.
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Your idea is funny but it is unethical. Good people do not deceive. They actively try to ensure that the potential customer knows what they are buying.
BS (Score:2)
Apple products just work. That's why they are so expensive.
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Apple products just work. That's why they are so expensive.
See, that's the problem with Apple products. While other products work great, Apple products just work. ;-)
"Norfolk, UK" isn't a small village near "Norwich" (Score:2)
The shop was in Wroxham Barns, near the city of Norwich. Both are in the county of Norfolk.
When are we all going SIP (Score:2)
POTS is so last millenium. Can we please get with the times? Then people can call sip:apple.com and not be confused with sip:apple.cider.com
Similar problem, also in the UK (Score:2)
You don't HAVE to capitulate to mass misunderstandings.
Re:these guys are poor businessmen (Score:5, Insightful)
Poor businessmen?
This move got their little shop a namecheck in the national news in the UK. Ker-ching!
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They're already in the fruit business, and they've got plenty of Apples. How about BlackBerry's on Orange?
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Why not use an automated phone system to inform callers that it isn't The Apple Store? Or would it be relatively costly and/or give the impression of an impersonal business?
- Customer: hello, I'd like to order half of dozen bottles of that 4-y old dry cider that you advertise
- (auto response): Sorry sir, we don't sell iPhone X
(later on)
- Shopkeeper: shit, extra expense last month to buy that damn'd auto response system and the sales went down this month. I wonder why?
It really does make good business sense, doesn't it?
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Ironic considering Americans call everything a city.
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Norwich is actually a city. It's like saying "The town of New York". Norwich-fag here.
I remember just after I moved to Norwich a bus driver refusing to understand what I meant when I said 'town'. Its a city! And a fine one at that.
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Isn't it rather strange that the other town (which is presumably smaller than Norwich) isn't actually mentioned? It just says in Norfolk. Anyone reading this post might assume that Norfolk is a small town, near the (slightly) larger town of Norwich.
I think Delia Smith might have something to say about this!!
So, let's get some facts straight: Norfolk is a county. Big place. Famous for it's water-ways which are called "The Norfolk Broads". Norwich is a city. Famous for Coleman's, a brand of sauces (especiall
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Can you sue a company for having a consumer base with lower-than-average intelligence and disrupting business as an unfair act of subterfuge?
Can you sue slashdot for having a user base with lower-than-average intelligence and a propensity to troll every fucking topic with their idiotic anti-Apple vitriol?