Matt Smith Leaves "Doctor Who" 375
First time accepted submitter Dave Knott writes "The BBC has announced that Matt Smith will be leaving 'Doctor Who', after spending the last four seasons in the titular role of The Doctor. Smith will remain for the upcoming 50th anniversary special, where he will star alongside a majority of the other actors who have taken on the character, and will exit following the yearly Christmas episode. No actor has yet been cast as the twelfth incarnation of The Doctor, although there was a teaser involving John Hurt at the end of the most recent season of the show."
First... (Score:5, Funny)
I got first because I went back in my TARDIS... ;)
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You could have bought back Tom Baker with you
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How much would he have cost me? ;)
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How much would he have cost me? ;)
A bag of Jelly Babies
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I'm jealous. My 2nd-hand model doesn't work well. It's less like a noble police box and more like a trashy Bill's and Ted's phone booth. Nav-circuits are broke so it only takes me to places the TARDIS has already been -- Doors won't open till the other TARDIS is gone. Great for watching re-runs though. I call it the RE-TARDIS.
Watch the age trend (Score:2, Insightful)
William Hartnell was the first Doctor, at about 55 years old.
Matt Smith was 28.
Obviously the Doctor is getting younger and younger. I predict that the next one will be around 18. Perhaps Tom Holland?
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They just introduced a 73-year old Doctor - theory broken.
Re:Watch the age trend (Score:5, Informative)
I assumed that he was meant to be the Valeyard [wikipedia.org], who showed up in the series as the prosecutor when the Time Lords put the Doctor on trial. He was revealed to be a future incarnation of the Doctor who really has it out for himself. He's not necessarily exactly one of his normal regenerations, but may instead actually be an intermediate form like the Watcher. The Watcher was a mystery masked figure who semi-stalked the Fourth Doctor right before his death and regeneration and who actually became the new Doctor at the moment of regeneration. Another Time Lord featured in the series whose name I can't remember right now actually had his own future incarnation working for him as a sort of butler/apprentice until his own death. So, the Valeyard was meant to be possibly something similar from the Doctor's 12th regeneration (back when there was a supposedly firm limit on the number of regenerations), but evil and intent on destroying the Doctor and achieving a completely independent existence.
Through the entire series since its revival there has been a running theme that's popped up of repressed self-loathing the Doctor keeps under the surface. There was an episode where Rory and Amy were either living in an alien-infested small village or on the Tardis with the Doctor about to plunge into a "cold star" and had to figure out which was a dream and which was real. There was a creepy dream-lord villain plaguing them through the whole thing and the Doctor made a comment to him at one point that he had figured out who he was since there was only one person in the Universe who hated him that much. It turned out to be an aspect of the Doctor's unconscious mind. So, unless they're pulling some other big twist, then this new "Doctor" is probably that aspect of his mind incarnate, probably as an intermediate form produced as part of a regeneration.
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No, they totally didn't announce him as the new doctor [imageshack.us]!
You got to get the "non-schizotypic ignorance of the decade" award! ;)
Ya, that is what I said in the post that you are replying to. I made a mistake, and admitted it. Now you are saying I'm ignorant, but in reality, that who is the ignorant one? Me, for making an assumption and then admitting I made a mistake? Or you, for replying to the post where I admitted I made the mistake and then tell me I'm wrong (which I admitted) and that I'm ignorant for being wrong?
Re:Watch the age trend (Score:4, Funny)
William Hartnell was the first Doctor, at about 55 years old.
Matt Smith was 28.
Obviously the Doctor is getting younger and younger. I predict that the next one will be around 18. Perhaps Tom Holland?
Probably give him a 6 pack abs also, running around shirtless.
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I heard it's going to be Wil Wheaton
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Jim Parsons.
He will knock... three times.
Often the best man for the job is a woman (Score:5, Interesting)
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An Alternative History of 11 American Female Doctors http://blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2013/05/doctor_who_american_female.php [houstonpress.com] & The Other 11 Doctors http://www.scifind.com/features/the-other-11-doctors/ [scifind.com]
There was a female Doctor Who, I had seen part of an episode before. On a PBS channel of course, not sure who did it, or what, if it was just a 1 episode spoof, or what, but unless I was tripping on acid & mda at the time (and dreamed it), there was a female Doctor Who. Of course, not officially.
Anyone know what I'm talking about? It was in color, saw it probably in the early 90's. I'm sure it was probably just a spoofed show, but i've never been able to figure it out. Not hitting the right ph
Re:Often the best man for the job is a woman (Score:5, Informative)
That was The Curse of Fatal Death and Joanna Lumley was the Doctor. It was, indeed, a spoof and quite a welcome one during the Dark Time of the Hiatus.
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Fucking wankers on tonight, eh?
Evidently.
Re:Often the best man for the job is a woman (Score:4, Informative)
Is it this this [youtube.com]?
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Is it this this [youtube.com]?
yes it is. I just found this link:
http://www.eskimo.com/~rkj/doctor.html [eskimo.com] and was coming to post it.
Now you got me a youtube video, thank you very much.
I was positive that I had seen this, but you have no idea the amount of drugs I have done since then. =)
I'm not crazy, and it was from 1984, which fits in me seeing it in the early 90's.
So, fuck you all that kept saying Curse of the Fatal Death when I made it clear it was early then that. Stupid Anonymous Coward bitches.
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No worries. I was interested in finding out about it.
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That is not Doctor Who.
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Chill the fuck out.
What you saw was some shitty, obscure fan-film made for fanboys at cons. It has absolutely nothing to do with Doctor Who, except for stealing the name. If people thought you meant Curse of Fatal Death instead of an awful movie that nobody else ever saw, then that's understandable. What you linked is NOT Doctor Who. It was a shitty movie that nobody watched.
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Jenny, the doctors daughter (from an episode titled the same) is actually still out there. At the end of the episode, she regenerated and flew out into space for lots of running, etc. So there is a female time lord out among the stars.
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Thank you, unfortunately my TARDIS is having trouble manipulating the article / thread in further amusing ways because it's risky crossing my own timeline, so now I'm stuck going forward with the rest of you for a while!
And, as an aside, even WITH a TARDIS I still can't think of a way to abuse my 15 mod points without causing a paradox and undoing my first post (and all of yours!)
No Shit (Score:4, Interesting)
Considering the last episode credits had: Introducing John Hurts as the Doctor, it was a pretty damn big clue that Matt was leaving the show.
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9985/doctorwho20057x13thenamz.jpg [imageshack.us]
No way (Score:2, Interesting)
John Hurt is an old man, and they wouldn't take the risk for a long running show. (Sorry John). More likely he's in for a subplot lasting a few episodes.
The 'doctor name' plot is wrapping up (that episode was way too complex/messy, Moffat needs to reign it in a bit), the next big over arching plot is due, there'll be a bridge to that.
So we had River Song, Cracks in Time, Silents/3d Printed People, and Doctor's Name plot threads, I'm assuming Hurt will do an bit of intro to that thread.
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John Hurt is an old man, and they wouldn't take the risk for a long running show. (Sorry John). More likely he's in for a subplot lasting a few episodes.
The 'doctor name' plot is wrapping up (that episode was way too complex/messy, Moffat needs to reign it in a bit), the next big over arching plot is due, there'll be a bridge to that.
So we had River Song, Cracks in Time, Silents/3d Printed People, and Doctor's Name plot threads, I'm assuming Hurt will do an bit of intro to that thread.
Well, Matt Smith is the 11th Doctor. We know the 13th doctor is evil (from past episodes) and we know (unless they changed it since he's the last timelord), timelords only get 12 regens (making 13 total lives). So it would be logical (Star Trek reference, couldn't resist) that John Hurt is the next doctor.
And what's old got to do with it? You telling me older actors can't act? Or we should be worried because he might fall over and die any day? Seriously? John Hurt looks like a doctor. I know
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Not anymore, the Doctor has had infinitely many regenerations for a while now [guardian.co.uk].
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Not anymore, the Doctor has had infinitely many regenerations for a while now [guardian.co.uk].
Ya, i figured they might of done that with him being the last timelord. I just can't remember if that was in an episode or not. Cool, just read the article you linked and apparently it's in the Sarah Jane Adventures, which I have, just haven't watched the last 2 seasons. Guess I better get watching.
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I am certain The Doctor can regenerate more that 12 times. It was stated when he used part of his life energy to heal a companion that it might limit his regenerations later and that he would need several. Also the generations numbers we use for the doctor are only counting those we have seen and should not be considered absolute numbers. It is very likely the 13th has already happened.
John Hurts character was specifically mentioned by The Doctor to be who he was before he became The Doctor. He apparently s
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It's been established in previous episodes that regenerations are transferable. The Doctor's also been a bit profligate with his regenerations lately (blowing one to heal River's small cut) - he may be aware that he's transcended that limit for whatever reason.
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Some times explanations are a detriment. Like midichlorians.
Re:No way (Score:4, Funny)
I'd love the 13th Doctor to be desperately trying to avoid dying because he knows he's the last generation, then regenerating instead and saying something like "What? Nobody ever did 14? How did I do 14? And why am I still not ginger?"
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And what's old got to do with it? You telling me older actors can't act? Or we should be worried because he might fall over and die any day? Seriously? John Hurt looks like a doctor. I know the BBC thinks it needs young actors for the doctor, but lets be real, the best doctors (IMO) were the older dudes.
Nice (old) strawman. Old actors can indeed act. Usually better than younger ones. But acting ability is not the primary focus for casting a role. I preferred Tom Baker when I was a (much) younger fan, not because he was a better actor than Hartnell, Troughton or Pertwee, but because he was the first doctor I could relate to age-wise. With that said, eye candy seems to be *way* more important now to content producers and sponsors.than acting ability or credibility in a role. Look what happened when Pie
Re:No way (Score:4, Informative)
David Tennant played Barty Crouch Jr and the Doctor, Michael Gambon played Dumbledore and Kazran Sardick, Helen McRory played Narcissa Malfoy and Rosanna Calvierri, John Cleese played Nearly Headless Nick and had a cameo in an older episode, Zoe Wanamaker played Madame Hooch and Lady Cassandra, Toby Jones played Dobby and the Dream Lord, Bill Nighy played Rufus Scrimgeour and a Van Goph expert, Roger Lloyd Pack played Barty Crouch Sr. and John Lumic, Shirly Henderson played Moaning Myrtle and Ursula Blake, Adrian Rawlins played James Potter and the Ood sympathizer from _Planet of the Ood_, David Bradley played Argus Filch and the Shansheeth in the old series, Derek Deadman played Tom the innkeeper and a Sontaran in the old series, Elizabeth Spriggs played the Fat Lady and was strangled to death in an episode of the old series, Jeff Rawles plays Amos Diggory and played Plantagenet in an episode of the old series, Jessica Hynes played the voice of Mafilda Hopkirk and played Joan Redfern and one of her descendants, Jimmy Gardner played the Knight Bus driver and Idmon in the old series, John Atterbury played Phineas Nigellus Black and some monsters in the old series, Julian Glover played Aragog and Richard the Lionheart and Scaroth in the old series, Terence Bayler played the Bloody Baron and Yendom in the old series.
Jim Broadbent played Horace Slughorn and also played the Doctor in _The Curse of Fatal Death_, but that's not really canon. Aside from that, Dudley Dursley and Dean Thomas are played by descendants of the 2nd doctor and one of the first companions respectively.
So, that's quite a few crossover actors. I knew some of those off the top of my head, but obviously I found a web site listing them for all of that. It's possible they may have missed some. In any case, it's not too surprising. The Harry Potter series has used a lot of British actors and so has Dr Who and there are only so many of them.
Re:No way (Score:5, Funny)
timelords only get 12 regens
What is the Timelords' preferred numerical base?
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Wasn't it first said that time lords have 9 lives?
No.
Re: No way (Score:5, Funny)
Wasn't it first said that time lords have 9 lives?
No, you seem to be getting time lords and cats mixed up.
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Wasn't it first said that time lords have 9 lives?
No, you seem to be getting time lords and cats mixed up.
If the Time Lords have 13 lives, do their time cats get 12*9=117 lives? If we run out of doctors, I propose a new series, Doctor Who's Cat. The protagonist could have some non-obvious, non-ridiculous name, such as Phi Line.
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If John Hurt is a previously unrecognized Doctor, then Matt Smith would be the 12th incarnation of the Doctor.
"Previously unrecognized"? You're not thinking wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey enough.
Interestingly enough, the Valeyard was specifically referred to as the 13th incarnation in the Trial of the Time Lord. I think an Evil Doctor/Valeyard is the big baddie of the 50th Anniversary Special.
...and the Valeyard was name-checked in The Name of the Doctor.
I'd originally assumed that Hurt was going to be Doctor #8.5 who ended the Time War by comitting genocide, got killed in the process and regenerated into #9 (Ecclestone) who was wracked with guilt over what he'd done. But, hang on, he's got a freakin' time machine! It could have been #13/Valeyard who did the genocide: #9 was wracked with guilt over what he'd jus
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Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
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I like that idea but it would paint the show into a corner. It would mean that the next doctor would need to regenerate into John Hurt. Logistically that would be risky.
Except they're already in a corner, and need a plot device to get past the established "12 regeneration limit" (which probably seemed like plenty back in the 1970s). If Moffat was going to try and sweep that under the carpet, he wouldn't have name-checked the Valeyard. A big show-down with Doc #13 would be a good opportunity to do a bit of temporal re-writing.
One option would be to have either #11, #12 or #13 die 'for real' and a new individual take on the title "The Doctor" which would fit some of the fo
Re: No way (Score:5, Insightful)
Rule 1: The Doctor lies.
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I like that idea but it would paint the show into a corner. It would mean that the next doctor would need to regenerate into John Hurt. Logistically that would be risky.
Except they're already in a corner, and need a plot device to get past the established "12 regeneration limit" (which probably seemed like plenty back in the 1970s). If Moffat was going to try and sweep that under the carpet, he wouldn't have name-checked the Valeyard. A big show-down with Doc #13 would be a good opportunity to do a bit of temporal re-writing.
One option would be to have either #11, #12 or #13 die 'for real' and a new individual take on the title "The Doctor" which would fit some of the foreshadowing such the importance of the chosen name, the previous reference to 'The fall of the 11th' suggesting that its actually #11 who died on Trenzelore, the fact that Clara only met 11 Doctors when the whirly-lighty-thing was meant to contain all the Doctors past and future...
The 50th anniversary special in November is a good excuse for a bit of continuity wanking.
In the Sarah Jane Adventures, Death of the Doctor, The Doctor claims he has unlimited regenerations. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/12/doctor-who-immortal-reveals-bbc [guardian.co.uk]
I haven't seen the last 2 seasons of Sarah Jane Adventures, so that caught me by surprise.
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Actually,
I think John Hurt will be the "Doctor" that ended the Time War, condemning all the other Time Lords and the Daleks.
This is the Doctor that had to commit genocide to protect the rest of the universe, and therefore did not act in the name of "The Doctor".
But we will see.
And Davros would of been proud.
Doctor Who: Davros, if you had created a virus in your laboratory, something contagious and infectious that killed on contact, a virus that would destroy all other forms of life, would you allow its use?
Davros: It is an interesting conjecture.
Doctor Who: Would you do it?
Davros: The only living thing, a microscopic organism reigning supreme... A fascinating idea.
Doctor Who: But would you do it?
Davros: Yes... Yes...
[raises hand as if holding the metaphorical capsule between thum
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This is the answer right here.
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Whooosh.
Re:This is horrible (Score:5, Funny)
That's Doctor Whooosh to you!
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I don't think you can really shrug that one off as just a bad joke. That was a pretty big whoosh.
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I don't think you can really shrug that one off as just a bad joke. That was a pretty big whoosh.
It was bad because I didn't get it. Damn it, i'm trying to save face here.
Re:This is horrible (Score:4, Funny)
No need to save face. Just regenerate and change it and don't tell anyone.
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I think that the periodical changin of the doctors actor is one of the grat ideas of the series. It can keep up with time without weird "script the actor out of the series" plots.
What I would like from the next series (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What I would like from the next series (Score:5, Insightful)
More importantly: Less STUPID!
The show got dumber and dumber every year. They are at 2.4 JJs* now! They just stopped caring if it makes any sense at all. (And yes, I did check for Dunning-Kruger effects. I can always show you the exact show-stopping non-sequiturs and inner contradictions of the stories.**)
(* Named after JJ Abrams' "knack" for always "resolving" things with plain drooling retardedness and then calling it a day.)
(** E.g. for Star Trek, I know it's not me being stupid, when the main one was Spock crashing a ship that has a ball of red matter the size of Chuck Norris' balls [~1m] on board, of which a *single* drop annihilates an entire damn planet, *into a fuckin' space-time rift! And the crew of the Enterprise just hovering there like drooling retards, instead of instantly going into full "This could end the fuckin' UNIVERSE" panic mode! ... Of course you can say that the moment they dropped Kirk on a deadly planet with not even a jacket nor compass and the nearest building miles away through extreme snow storms, excusing it with "Oh, he will find it!"... that that was the moment where the whole thing died and imploded in a vortex of FAIL. ... Followed by the whole Old Spock think and Scotty inventing teleportation just casually along the way, to add insult and piss in the face to injury.)
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Nimoy leaking scientific equations to Pegg's Scotty was a homage to Doohan's Scotty in an earlier time travelling movie (ST IV) - i.e. Transparent Aluminum.
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I'm not familiar with the original series so that may be true but I don't really want to mess with the current Dr Who too much. It doesn't educate and the science is completely laughable, but he's smart, and saves the day without using violence. In any other show where you're trying to save the world it's almost a given that the hero is simply the good guy who's the best at killing people. That we have a show that's immensely popular and has as its hero a pacifist nerd is pretty awesome, I'd like if they pl
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Step one, get rid of Amy Pond. Step two, get rid of Matt Smith. Step three, get rid of Moffat?
I might actually start watching again, if that comes true. The last two seasons were crap, but no one has gotten around to telling Moffat that he really can't write, and that, no, he isn't Neil Gaiman so stop trying.
Though if, and they won't, they get someone like John Hurt to be The Doctor, I'd still put up with Moffat's fountain of crap.
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A couple of corrections... (Score:3, Interesting)
"after spending the last four seasons in the titular role of The Doctor" - no, it was only three. The British do TV different than the Americans but there were only three "seasons" (including the current one) with Smith.
"where he will star alongside a majority of the other actors who have taken on the character" - That was the fan theory ages ago, but the casting has long since been confirmed by the BBC [bbc.co.uk] and David Tennant is the only other former doctor to appear in the special.
Regardless, Smith had a great run. I was skeptical at first at the "youngest ever doctor" but I was thrilled with the result.
About time (Score:2)
Was never a fan of Matt Smith. Though not completely his fault. He hasn't had the best of scripts. I also haven't liked how they portrayed this version of the Doctor. I found him to be too willing to kill off an adversary. Previous Doctors would only do that as a last resort. I know that the Doctor was supposed to be going through his darkest period but even so I think that one of his core morals should have been kept.
I hope it's John Hurt (Score:2)
For some reasons Dr. Who gets younger and younger, culminating in the 30 year old boy-ish Matt Smith.
I was already thinking the next Dr. Who will be a 26 year old [wikipedia.org] in love with some 20 years old [wikipedia.org] girl. Personally I liked the previous Who character much better for the simple fact that Matt Smith looks like a boy.
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I agree with this - I don't really like Matt Smith (he is OK but the worst of the modern Whos). I don't think it's just the age thing either, the Dr. has always been eccentric but Matt Smith comes off more as "quirky". He comes off as someone trying to eccentric for the sake of the image and not because that is how his mind works.
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What's with you people? This doctor is the most fun of any since Tom Baker, and maybe even moreso.
I also like the general attitude (both his character and the show) that the Doctors is someone all the foes have learned to fear since he always beats their ass.
It has, logically, indeed come down to this:
Come onnnnnnnnn, then! [youtube.com]
I'm fine with that -- playful. I had never taken to a doctor that quickly before.
Who's next? (Score:5, Insightful)
So ideally who would like to see as the next Doctor?
For me it would be Stephen Fry.
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Bring David Tennant back.
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Alan Davies.
Re:Who's next? (Score:5, Interesting)
Nick Frost.
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So ideally who would like to see as the next Doctor?
For me it would be Stephen Fry.
They been either joking or hinting that it could be female.
http://www.hollywood.com/news/tv/38162977/the-next-doctor-who-star-could-be-a-woman-and-it-should-be?page=all [hollywood.com]
One of the writers, Steven Moffat, let out a teaser that it could be a female.
Hugh Laurie (Score:5, Interesting)
Admit it, he would make the perfect doctor...
Ooo! (Score:2, Funny)
Fry AND Laurie! Again!
OK, when the Doctor regenerates, there's something or another that makes him regenerate as TWO people - pleyed by Fry and Laurie!
It would be AWESOME [youtube.com]
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One heart each.
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Wil Wheaton
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he's not British.
Re:Who's next? (Score:5, Funny)
Jason Statham.
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Ever seen a Dalek get headbutted? Well, you're about to, mate.
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In the same vein, I'd go with Stewart Lee.
Though I actually liked their performances, those last doctors have been too manic in their enthusiasm, too emotional over minor things, considering their enormous life span and the breathtaking breadth of their previous experiences. I seriously think the show would benefit tremendously from having a more brainy lead. Stewart could make a fantastic doctor, annoyed by mostly everyone and bored almost all the time.
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Patrick Stewart. We need a better accent and the older doctors were better.
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Geeky crossover. Cast Danielle Radcliffe as the next Doctor.
*ducks*
Ok, just kidding. Cast Rupert Grint (played Ron Weasley). He's ginger. The Doctor always wanted to be ginger.
*ducks again*
How many lives the Doctor has (Score:3)
remember this.
"The Doctor Lies" - River Song
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spoilers... (Score:2)
Thanks for the spoiler, slashdot.
Suggestion (Score:2)
Time for a female Doctor.
Re:Not News (Score:4, Insightful)
why is this crap on Slashdot ?
Dr Who is stuff that matters.
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Baker is still my favorite Doctor.
Word.
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stupid MS fan. Vi or Emacs or Writer are better.
Re:Not News (Score:5, Informative)
If anything was News for Nerds, this is it.
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If anything was News for Nerds, this is it.
Not just Nerds. The installation of a new Doctor may not be up there with a new Prime Minister or Pope, but it still gets mainstream coverage [bbc.co.uk] in the UK.
Re:Not News (Score:5, Funny)
what, jonesing for a Bitcoin submission?
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Tom Baker at age 79 could still bedazzle audiences if his Little Britain narration is anything to go by!
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Get your facts right please! It's only going to have David Tennant and this mysterious John Hurt character in it, alongside Smith.
The first three actors are dead anyway and Ecclestone was so pissed off during his time he will never return
to it.
John Pertwee has a son, Sean Pertwee http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0675730/ [imdb.com]
With some makeup, I bet they could make him look the same. Though I'd be down for a Sean Pertwee as The Doctor.
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Yeah, I feel the same way. Unfortunately, this sort of news is trumpeted so widely that it's almost impossible to miss. I blame the BBC here.
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Thanks for the spoiler warning.
Serious fans would of seen the show already.
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So just about every doctor before him has decided that they're just making too much money
They'd be lucky. It's not like they can hold the producers to ransom like the cast of Friends did.
Maybe the next person they cast should sign a 10 year contract or something.
The show has managed to last 50 years in large part because no-one outstays their welcome.