Senators Threaten To Rescind NFL Antitrust Exemption 242
An anonymous reader writes In response to the FCC's discontinuation of rules that support the NFL's blackout policies, the NFL issued a statement indicating that it would nevertheless continue to enforce its blackout policies through its private contract negotiations with local networks. On Wednesday, however, Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) announced a bill that would rescind the antitrust exemption that enables the NFL to demand blackouts in the first place and formally warned the NFL to abandon blackouts altogether. The antitrust exemption gives sports leagues "legal permission to conduct television-broadcast negotiations in a way that otherwise would have been price collusion" and further allowed the formation of the NFL from two separate leagues. Meanwhile, the NFL enjoys a specialized tax status and direct monetary support from taxpayers to build arenas and stadiums.
Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:5, Insightful)
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Or they already got paid off by the cable companies. Blackouts hurt football fans, true: but they also hurt cable companies.
What, you didn't think the FCC changed the rules to benefit lowly citizens, did you?!
Re: Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:5, Informative)
I hate to disappoint you, but the FCC note [fcc.gov] says otherwise
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You are both right.
ESPN and red zone are expect from blackouts. NBC and CBS are not as cable channels as well as over the air.
So on cable a game can be be blacked out on CBS and over the air but showing on ESPN or red zone.
The NFL did this on purpose to help sell ESPN bundles.
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Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:5, Funny)
The League of Extraordinary Lobbyists?
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Why would the envelope be sweaty?
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This theory does not account for the presence of sociopaths in the equation.
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This theory does not account for the presence of sociopaths in the equation.
Then who does it assume is receiving the envelope?
Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:5, Informative)
Only the league office is nonprofit. The teams are not. It's not particularly nefarious.
Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:5, Informative)
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would be a fool to step down.
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His salary is pretty awesome. I'm not sure what the nations top arbitration lawyers get paid - because that's essentially his job. There's a good chance some of them make 7 or even 8 digits.
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Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:5, Insightful)
When you piss off Congress to the point that they ignore their usual Leftie vs RIghtie tift and decide to work together.....you're fucked.
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Something tells me this Sports Blackout rule change thing is rather sudden and a distraction related to an upcoming election day.....
Yes, I agree blackouts suck, but at the end of the day NFL/etc have the right to control distribution of their content.
There are REAL issues our legislators need to address, such as getting rid of software patents, lowering taxes, and cutting spending, that would make me happy.
Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword (Score:4, Insightful)
That would be true if they didn't except taxpayer money/tax exemptions/tax breaks but they do and that money comes conditions. I say F the NFL,MBL,NHL owners save up your own dam money and build your own dam stadiums without having to cut school budgets and many other social needs.
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Also, the seating must accommodate all income levels, up to and including having free seats for people who can't afford to go to games and would have watched it for free on their TV.
I realize this sounds preposterous, but it is meant
You underestimate football's popularity (Score:2)
Re:You underestimate football's popularity (Score:5, Funny)
Football is *REALLY* *REALLY* stupid. I can't get my head around the overwhelming exuberance that people feel over this brief period of watching people chase a ball around a field.
Tell me, is it more or less stupid than watching a bunch of people dress up in spandex and pretend to fly a spaceship?
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Tell me, is it more or less stupid than watching a bunch of people dress up in spandex and pretend to fly a spaceship?
It's more stupid, because if people got off of their lazy fat asses and stopped sucking down cheese curds they could play football (or perhaps some sport not designed to cause concussions) themselves. But I can't nip down to the auto dealer and pick up a new Constellation-class.
I get why someone would be interested in sports, but not how they could be as interested as people get. Especially when they feel like part of the team. Nope, just a customer. Keep buying those Jerseys! The team's lawyers really appr
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I get people all the time who tell me " I dont understand how you can sit out there for hours just looking up" or " I dont understand how you can spend 10 hours on that computer of yours writing jiberish"
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Re:You underestimate football's popularity (Score:5, Informative)
The same could be said about pretty much everything. The things you like are incredibly boring and stupid to a lot of people.
Yes, but I'm sure that no one spends huge amounts of their tax dollars supporting his boring recreational activities...
National parks, PBS, National Endowment for the Arts, etc. There are plenty of was the government funds recreational activities.
According to Grantmakers in the Arts [giarts.org], public funding in the arts comes to about $1.14 billion per year. With the NFL receiving $146 million per year [thinkprogress.org], the NFL is still getting a sizeable amount of money in comparison. But with about 1 in 3 [statista.com] Americans watching at least some football each year, football probably entertains at least as many people as the entire NEA funding does, so perhaps it is money well spent.
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Could they get any more special treatment? (Score:3, Informative)
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The League Office is nonprofit, not the teams.
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I worked for 4BN dollar nonprofit healthcare organization. Thousands upon thousands of employees. Large swaths of clinicians and technical staff making six-figure salaries.
Re:Could they get any more special treatment? (Score:5, Funny)
The NFL also gets nonprofit status [wikipedia.org] on top of this. Could we do more to support them?
I dunno. Let's rename them to the Israeli Football League and see what happens.
Re:Could they get any more special treatment? (Score:5, Informative)
Don't confuse "nonprofit" with "charity". While virtually all charities are nonprofits, not all nonprofits are charities.
The NFL being nonprofit is simply a reflection of how the league is organized and equity and earnings are allocated. In this case, most of the equity in the NFL is held by individual teams and the teams' billionaire owners, and all the earnings are targeted to those same teams. The league acts as just a vehicle for the teams to coordinate functions like marketing, scheduling, and league matters. So when the league gets $10 billion in TV contracts, all the profit is distributed to the teams, which then pay taxes on it. Being structured as a nonprofit, the NFL league has trustees and beneficiaries. It could reincorporate as a for-profit, in which case it would have owners and shareholders. In that case, each team owner could be granted one share. If that were to happen, Paul Allen instead of receiving one tax bill for $100 million for the Seahawks, would get two tax bills for $70 million (for the Seahawks) and $30 million (for the NFL share). From the taxman's point of view, it's pretty much the same.
There's nothing sneaky about the NFL being a nonprofit. It's just reflects how the league was originally set up.
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Yet Roger Goodell gets a $44 million/year salary. That does not really compute well for me.
Re:Could they get any more special treatment? (Score:4, Insightful)
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People pay taxes on their salaries.
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Hahaha! (Score:2)
Stop, you are killing me!
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The NFL also gets nonprofit status [wikipedia.org] on top of this. Could we do more to support them?
Well, we could build massive new stadiums for all of their teams using public funds. Oh, wait...
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Possibly. When teams come close to not selling out, large companies like local tv stations that carry the games will buy up tickets and give them away to underprivileged children. If the game sells out, they can air the game and sell ads. If it doesn't, they can't.
I wish McCain would retire (Score:5, Interesting)
This is obviously a payback to Comcast...
The point of having the blackouts to begin with is AGREED upon by the very cities that McCain is claiming to "protect". It brings foot traffic into the cities and increases sales to nearby restaurants and bars and let's not even go into ensuring that the stadium (which shares profits with the towns) is as near capacity as possible.
Now, if we want to completely privatize the stadiums I'm all for letting the free market do its thang. But, as McCain oddly points out, these are NOT private entities but basically defacto public partnerships.
Re:I wish McCain would retire (Score:5, Insightful)
The point of the blackouts is to extort money from the fans for an overpriced live experience. If they really wanted to sell out every game, they should study basic economics and drop prices. They'll still make ridiculous amounts of money.
Re:I wish McCain would retire (Score:5, Interesting)
Stadium revenue isn't even 5% of the teams earnings anymore. It's so ridiculously small in fact that it's the entire reason cited by the FCC for abolishing the blackout restriction. They could literally give the tickets away and it wouldn't impact earnings in any significant manner.
The reason they don't cheapen the tickets is that by keeping prices high the owners can use the tickets like money. Court-side tickets are so expensive when they hand the mayor a season's worth of tickets he's bound to whatever the owner wants because they've given him the equivalent of $100K. But because they set the pricing on the seats they can declare the tickets worth less than $5. Those high priced tickets are essentially their own untraceable money that they can print at will.
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I just learned today that the distribution of the TV money to teams is almost exactly equal to their salary cap. That means, the stadium earning is the profit, along with merchandising deals.
That means the stadium revenue is actually a very big part of their profit margin.
Where did you get the 5% figure, by the way?
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if the stadium stays the same price, and they drop prices, they can't sell any more tickets. They will lose money.
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You are a fucking idiot. Participation is not optional. You subscribe to any TV service provider you get ESPN. You can't drop it. Period. ESPN charges a premium for carrying its channel even though more people watch QVC than ESPN. ESPN coughed up $15 Billion dollars to carry Mon
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Seriously, it would still be gouging even if they gave you twice the amount of liquid posted. Complaints about the volume are kind of pointless.
Its like the old catskills joke:
Old Lady: The food there was terrible!
Old Man: Yeah! And such small portions!
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Yeah, and maybe if it didn't cost $100 for a couple to buy tickets plus $8 beers and really bad $6 hotdogs your argument might make sense.
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Comcast will need to due a lot of work if they (Score:2)
Comcast will need to due a lot of work if they want NFL Sunday ticket. There system right now does not have the room for it.
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if they want it SD but to get in HD??
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Last blackout date: (Score:3)
Last blackout for notable teams:
NY Giants: 1975
SF 49ers 1981
Dallas Cowboys 1990
Chicago Bears 1984
NE Patriots 1993
Washington Redskins 1965
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He said, "notable teams". Look at your list.
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These days, you can be 300 miles away from the event, and be subject to blackout restrictions. That's asinine and overreaches.
Wrong target (Score:2)
The problem is not with the founding fathers, the problem is that all of our candidates are being bought and paid for by the same sponsors. The founding fathers did very well in designing what Socrates envisioned as a perfect Government 2,600 years ago. Put the blame in the right spot and things can actually get better. Of course petitioning your own candidates onto the ballot is hard, so you will most likely not do anything.
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The founding fathers did very well in designing what Socrates envisioned as a perfect Government 2,600 years ago.
Not really. They were well into the modern age of law, lawyers and lies, yet they still wrote in open-ended language like the ICC. That's a completely open back door, they weren't dumb enough not to know it.
I think they should... (Score:2)
2 - Cash in
3 - Sell out
4 - Bro down
Welcome to the free market (Score:5, Insightful)
/ haven't been to a game in 15 years
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please
the fans cream themselves when the teams sign up players for tens of millions of $$$ and if the team isn't winning they rage that teams need to hire more expensive players.. then they complain about the cost of watching the games on TV or live
not just the NFL. yankee fans want ownership to write unlimited checks no matter how many players are hurt and way above the luxury tax
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Don't charge $500 per game for a family to go.
For an NFL game, any seats but nose-bleed, that's low-ball.
I gave up my Seahawks season tickets and instead bought a huge TV for my basement "Man Cave", and a subscription to see the games I want to see.
Never again will I get raped by the live seat price, though Comcast (or whoever) will still rape me to a certain degree.
But with Comcast (amazingly) I don't get fucked up the ass as much as with the NFL at a "live tag team match" on the field.
- Jake
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Actually the NFL has some of the most entertaining commercials I see. I sometimes even watch them just because of that.
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The ticket isn't the problem. It's all the other expenses involved plus the fucking traffic. They could give me tickets and I wouldn't go.
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You don't have to. The stadium is sold out even if your average Slashdot user hates live football.
There's 100,000 people in Dallas lined up to go the next Cowboys game, even if you don't want to. They'll grumble about parking, but they're going to pay it because, as their wallet voting tells us, they want to.
Welcome to the free market indeed.
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Good for them. And since the stadium is full nobody's buying any longer their need for a blackout. Good for the fans.
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That's a lot of people with money to burn. I like watching pro football but really I've seen high school games that are just as much fun to watch.
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I guess you should move to the Democratic People's Republic of Kkyber, where you can be 100% responsible for all elected officials.
The NFL didn't pry your tax dollars out of your pocket with magic. You, and your fellow citizens voted for it, either directly or by representation. Plenty of stadium votes have gone up and failed. Sometimes, in a democracy, your neighbors vote for things you don't like. Sucks to be in the minority sometimes.
Here's in Phoenix, we're looking forward to the half a billion doll
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Bullshit. Here in Pittsburgh they held a referendum on the new stadium back when it was proposed. The people voted NO. So the politicos did what they called 'Plan B' and used funds from a recently raised (only in Allegheny County, mind you) sales tax to build it, by fiat.
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Rather disingenuous with that statement aren't you. The NFL routinely threatens to move teams out of a city if they don't cough up the cash to build/upgrade a stadium. Care to try that again Zippy.
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"I can't imagine a reason to lower ticket prices."
MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR THAT STADIUM AND THAT'S THE END OF STORY.
That's not a reason to lower ticket prices. That's a reason to either (a) stop paying for stadiums with tax dollars or (b) tax the tickets so that taxpayers recoup the expense.
But as long as the stadiums are full of people who willingly bought the tickets, there's no reason to lower ticket prices.
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You seemed to have described the basic principles of supply and demand.
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You seemed to have described the basic principles of supply and demand.
Well, sure.
One could also call rape a component of normal sexual activity, if they were so inclined to twist the living shit out of the definition.
You also don't usually teach extortion tactics to freshly minted CPAs. Blackouts are nothing more than this.
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Congress actually threatening to do something good for a change?
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The thing about this that pisses me off is the question WHY HAVEN'T THEY ALREADY DONE IT.
Crikey football legislation gets fast tracked and important crap like tax entitlement and immigration reform - nothing.
Throw the bums out is basically the only reasonable thing at this point.
While we're all fired up with outrage... (Score:2, Insightful)
...since "Redskins" is so harmful and offensive, how about we also ban the word 'nigger' from use in media? Or rescind copyright protection for anything that includes that offensive term.
I mean, this is all about protecting the feelings of oppressed minorities, right?
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Please don't call me, and I won't call you. (Score:2)
Phuck, what a dumbth country you have now. Damn. "Idiocy? Ha! I'll show you idiocy!"
Sports? (Score:2)
Sports on Slashdot. Is it the end times already?
After the NLF, how about Wall Street? (Score:4, Interesting)
First, the public subsidy [bloomberg.com].
This this is on Oct. 2 2014: 0.09% is free money. Who gets this free money: the big banks, B of A, Citi, Chase. Also the top four investment firms which are also banks: #1 Goldman Sachs, #2 Morgan Stanley, #3 JPMorgan Chase, #4 Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Note the overlap, there is no meaningful difference between banks and brokerage firms.
So what is the result? Why the Fed's Zero Interest Rate Policy Isn't Working [cnbc.com].
And the lack of any effective oversight: Bank of America fined $7.65M over accounting blunder [bizjournals.com].
So 7,650,000 divided by 4,000,000,000 = 0.019125 or 1.9125%. Note that this error existed for years, and it meant that BofA saved a huge amount of money by having $4 billion less in capital reserves then was required.
But to understand what the fine really means it should be compared to the market capitation (total worth on the stock market), which on Oct 2 2014 was $177 billion. So 7,650,000 divided by 117,000,000,000 = 4.32203e-05 = .0000432203 = 0.00432203%. Ohh, that must have really really hurt.
No one was held accountable. No one lost their job, was demoted, got a bad mark on their permanent record. The stock holders end up paying the fine. That's what it means to have no effective oversight.
So the NFL is in trouble and B of A gets a fine valued at 0.00432203% of their current net worth. That is why my brain hurts.
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Points well made, but futile. Professional "sports" form the circus part of "bread and circuses".
Easy fix: lots of football tickets (Score:2)
All this huffing and puffing from Congress Critters can be solved by dumping some football tickets into constituent service offices, you know, to invite the staff to come see all the value a football team contributes to the community and see what NFL is all about.
Free of course, no strings attached. Just have some tickets.
And forget you were upset about blackouts and antitrust, okay? Okay!
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that being able to watch football is one of the only issues that's easy to get bipartisan support on
No kidding. Please solve a problem that matters.
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No kidding. Please solve a problem that matters.
Yes, like Major League Baseball's blackout policies and antitrust exemption.
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"deny the antitrust exemption" ... "to any league" ..."that does not:"..."(1) prohibit sponsored telecast"..."or (2) make a sponsored telecast...available to consumers, using an Internet platform"
So, if they sell an internet feed (which I think they do now), or; just let the local cable outfit show it (and not necessarily the network's feed; a wide angle camera on a pole would satisfy 'showing it')... ...then they get to keep their antitrust exemption. Am I reading that wrong?
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Well, they never bullied me. And I feel the same way.
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I am of native descent. I do not find the name offensive in the slightest. There are over 1000 teams named after natives, in the hs - college- majors. the name is not offensive (I would argue chief wahoo from the cleveland india