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Spider-Man Finally Joining the Marvel Cinematic Universe 98

Posted by Soulskill from the will-live-and-die-and-live-and-die-and-live-again dept.
New submitter Chas writes: After years of Marvel fans screaming for a more unified approach to the Marvel Cinematic Universe between the property-holders (Sony, Marvel, Fox), Marvel has announced that they've reached a deal with Sony to bring Spider-Man into the MCU.

From the announcement: "Under the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, in a film that will be co-produced by Kevin Feige and his expert team at Marvel and Amy Pascal, who oversaw the franchise launch for the studio 13 years ago. Together, they will collaborate on a new creative direction for the web slinger. Sony Pictures will continue to finance, distribute, own and have final creative control of the Spider-Man films. Marvel and Sony Pictures are also exploring opportunities to integrate characters from the MCU into future Spider-Man films."
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  • So much for 'boycott'.. fizzle fizzle...

  • For every character that's added to the Marvel Cinematic Universe you get one more reason to ask "Why doesn't "X" get off his ass and help out?" For example, what is Thor doing during any of the Captain American movies? He doesn't even physically have to be there; just blink your eyes and the bad guys disappear. Marvel is for children.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Basically all movies have plot holes like that. Most people don't bother to look for them when watching. Some people have an unfortunate curse wherein holes like this scream out at them during or after a movie, ruining their ability to enjoy it. It sounds like you are one of these sorry souls.

      You have my sympathies.

      • Re:Marvel's Cinematic Universe (Score:5, Interesting)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:09AM (#49026705)

        Basically all movies have plot holes like that.

        Not all plot holes are the same. Captain America has plot holes because it relies on technology that doesn't exist, or didn't exist in the 1940s. I can live with that. Thor has plot holes that rely on magic. They don't belong in the same movie.

        • Re:Marvel's Cinematic Universe (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:22AM (#49026753)

          Not all plot holes are the same. Captain America has plot holes because it relies on technology that doesn't exist, or didn't exist in the 1940s. I can live with that. Thor has plot holes that rely on magic. They don't belong in the same movie.

          A distinction so arbitrary as to not really exist:

          Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

        • Why not?

          Magic or magic technology, what's the difference really?

          Or do you really think the Super-Soldier formula is somehow more "realistic" than Mjolnir?

          • Re: (Score:3)

            by tnk1 ( 899206 )

            There is a potentially important difference. Although admittedly, it is mostly a matter of definitions between the two fictional concepts.

            "Sufficiently advanced science" would work according to certain principles firmly rooted in natural laws and logic and would presumably be accessible to humans (and any other sentient based on those laws) at a sufficient technological level.

            "Magic", such as that produced by deities presumed to be outside the Universe, may be empowered by forces that humans or other deniz

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by slaker ( 53818 )

      Regarding who was doing what where during the Captain America movies:

      Thor was battling giants in the rest of the Nine Realms during the first Captain America movie and he was presumably restoring order to them, or perhaps helping to clean up London, during the second. No one on Earth, with the possible exception of Jane Foster, has a way to directly contact Thor.
      During Winter Soldier, which only took place over the course of a few days, Cap was essentially a fugitive. Stark had recently destroyed his armor

      • Also don't forget the alien invasion from Avengers and the Ultron attack that's likely coming up in the second Avengers movie. World governments - not just the US - would be going ballistic if all of this occurred in a mere 3 years. (I've often wondered how people function in the comics with superhero/villain battles everywhere and world-ending threats a daily occurrence. "Looks like Loki is trying to destroy Manhattan with Dr. Doom." "Is it Thursday already?")

        We know that Captain America 3 is going to

        • Look at how our government listens in (oops... "collects meta data") on all of our communication based on the current threat of a terror attack.

          That's alleged threat of an alleged terror attack. It's not like this has ever been a serious issue. The government's burned billions of our dollars on, essentially, protecting us from hippopotamus roaming the street. There was one major terrorist attack, one, once, and the whole government has been running in terror and squeaking and squawking, and beating the hell out of all of us, out of utter fear and horror. The U.S. Government is totally cowardly, it's pathetic, and we might want to work on that. The

          • Good point. But if they react like this based on one terror attack 14 years ago, imagine how the government would react if everything that happened in the Marvel Cinematic Universe happened in real-life. It would make the NSA's activities seem positively legal by comparison!

        • a Nazi-era evil organization resurfacing by taking down the world's premier security organization and crashing some large vehicles in DC,

          In all fairness, HYDRA was using the carriers, it was Captain America and his buddy who dropped the carriers into the Potomac.

    • it's a fucking superhero story, why are you taking it so seriously

      i would think the largest plot hole would be, gee, i dunno, maybe the fucking guy who can fling webs because he was bit by a radioactive spider?

      it might be slightly unrealistic that a dude would get large and green when he gets angry because of gamma ray exposure

      and yes, it is for kids. the kid in all of us

      or, at least, some of us

      get the stick out of your ass

      • It's called "suspension of disbelief". When things get ridiculously illogical even with the alternate physics in whatever universe the movie is in and _character_s start acting ridiculously out of _character_, it becomes less entertaining and more groaning in pain as brain cells commit suicide.

        • no that's just lack of good storytelling

          all stories are full of bullshit. but if you keep moving forward, the brain puts that aside and gets engrossed in a story that eventually eclipses the bullshit

          but if it's not a good story, the mind gets bored and starts focusing on the inherent nonsensical bullshit

          so what you're talking about is a symptom, a side effect. not a cause

          stories full of the most ridiculous plot holes can be great stories, because you just don't care, the story grabs you

          meanwhile, stories th

      • I had the same reaction to the criticism of Prince of Persia over the inaccuracy of historical middle eastern architecture. If you are bent out of shape about the architecture wait till your distraction by that is broken long enough for you to realize the story has a magic dagger that rolls back time...

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by arekin ( 2605525 )
      This isnt new to the MCU, this is a comic book thing. Joker blowing up Gotham? Superman can fly there really fast. Green lantern core fighting some evil, Superman can fly there really fast. Why isn't Superman in literally every dc comic?

    • Well, Thor blinking his eyes and people disappearing doesn't seem to happen--even in his own movies.

      As for the recent films...

      Where were Thor and Cap during Iron Man 3? Well, Thor was in Asgard. Cap, we'll say was at SHIELD HQ.

      So why didn't Cap get off his ass and help Tony? Well, for one, Tony was dead according to most people. So Cap wouldn't necessarily be involved until the President was kidnapped. But it's not like they had much information to go on. Heck, it was quite possible that the President

    • For every character that's added to the Marvel Cinematic Universe you get one more reason to ask "Why doesn't "X" get off his ass and help out?"

      Same glaring problem in the comics, though. Where's Superman when Batman is in trouble? Where's Iron Man when Spider-Man needs help?

  • As long as he isn't the focus of the MCU (Score:5, Insightful)

    by slaker ( 53818 ) on Tuesday February 10, 2015 @11:42PM (#49026597)

    I want to see Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He's part of the living world created by Marvel comics, and the Daily Bugle needs to be part of the skyline, even if it's just background.

    Spider-Man is also too much a tentpole character to live in the ensemble world that has been created in the Marvel Universe. I don't want it to become all Spidey all the time (as Fox has done with Wolverine in the X-Men movies). We don't even need an origin because it's been done. Just ground him in the world, establish that Cap and Iron Man are in that same world, that Nick Fury is keeping his eye on Spidey's exploits, and have him off to his own super-powered adventures.

    In five years, if Sony actually manages to not fuck it up this time, bring him back as the guy who has seen twice as much of everything as Captain America, a science bro on par with Banner and Stark.

    That would be just fine.

    • The only problem I see is that Spider-Man, as cool as he is, isn't in the same league as Iron Man, Thor, or even Captain America...

      You're talking about a kid bitten by a spider who can sling webs...

      Iron Man has... well, the suit, and Tony Stark's brains...

      Thor is a god...

      And Captain America is a super soldier...

      In some ways, Hawkeye and Black Widow don't belong, they aren't super... but still...

      And of course... As Tony Stark says in The Avengers so well... "We have a Hulk!"

      • Re:As long as he isn't the focus of the MCU (Score:5, Insightful)

        by slaker ( 53818 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:13AM (#49026719)

        Spidey should be the journeyman hero. He does have great powers. He's much stronger and faster than Captain America, and possessed of the same courage and sense of responsibility. He doesn't have experience or skills at first. He never properly learns to fight, but if you follow his journey long enough, he becomes the guy who has seen absolutely everything and not only that, had to DEAL with absolutely everything because whatever it is Spidey is doing isn't big enough to get Avengers out of the mansion, or because the Fantastic Four is out of town, or because it's two blocks out of Hell's Kitchen and Daredevil doesn't care.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        He's Captain America with webs and magic grip. Seriously....

        He can outrun a car.
        He can pick up a car.
        He can easily jump on top of vehicles and buildings from a standing position.
        He's beaten Iron Man in personal combat.
        Iron Man has made an Iron Spider suit for him before.
        He's been a part of the Avengers.

        The list of badass enemies he has had to defeat without assistance from anyone else is insane as well. his resume is easily as impressive as any member of the Avengers, if not moreso. His abilities actually g

      • Re:As long as he isn't the focus of the MCU (Score:4, Interesting)

        by suutar ( 1860506 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:28AM (#49026771)

        I think you're underestimating his physical abilities (understandable, the movies don't really emphasize them as much as they probably should). At one point, Spiderman was listed as the 4th strongest character in the marvel universe (behind the Hulk, the Thing, and Thor). Admittedly, the marvel universe was less populated, but he's still above Captain America (20 tons vs 1200lbs [wikia.com]). He's also got reflexes and balance about as good as Cap, plus spider sense... he doesn't have Cap's experience (though he's probably closer than most, given how many issues he's had) and he doesn't have the shield (but can do a lot with webbing). He definitely lacks Cap's leadership skills. He's probably not suited to be a member of the Avengers for a number of reasons, but he's in that league.

        • Fair enough...

          I suppose another way to look at it would be... assuming they aren't balanced for a One vs. One game of course...

          If they each fought one on one, who would win?

          I can't see Spider-Man winning against the Hulk, Iron Man, or Thor personally... He might against Captain America... depends on the situation...

          What about Iron Man vs. Hulk? That would be a matchup! :)

          • What about Iron Man vs. Hulk? That would be a matchup! :)

            From the trailers it looks like we'll see in the new Avengers. But the answer will be Iron Man in the Hulkbuster suit [theverge.com]. As for the others, the whole premise is that Spider-Man is like a spider and can pick up MANY times his own weight, so I think you are underestimating his chances against the others. He may be scrawny but I always imaged him being able to go toe-to-toe with the Hulk by dropping a building on him or something.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by chthon ( 580889 )

          Spiderman vs. the then whole X-Man team was already done in the sixties (through a misunderstanding of course). The writers let him beat them almost single-handedly. There was no real winner then because the misunderstanding was cleared up in the fight.

          • Spidey also effortlessly and single handedly beat the later "uncanny" X-Men team during the first Secret Wars, but Prof X mind-wiped the memory from him immediately after.

        • He's got leadership skills as well. If i recall from the animated show, madame web tests his skills on the Secret Wars episodes, where he gets to lead over Captain America and others

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by C0R1D4N ( 970153 )
      I am cool with Spiderman joining in on the MCU but in all honesty the X-Men franchise I have always thought worked better as its own universe since it is more about dealing with civil rights and social issues.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by captjc ( 453680 )

        The franchise, yes. However, a few crossover characters would be pretty sweet. I'd love to see Ironman try to fight Magneto. I would totally go see an Avengers movie (Even a Spiderman movie) with Deadpool. Forget Shawarma, they all go out for Chimichangas.

        • And it would clear up Pietro and Wanda. MCU would be allowed to call the mutants and Magneto's children.

  • Secret Wars? (Score:3)

    by SvnLyrBrto ( 62138 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @12:15AM (#49026729)

    I wonder if the whole Secret Wars [buzzfeed.com] move is really Marvel playing hardball with fox and sony. "Start playing nice with the licenses you extracted when we were hard up for money, or we just end the entire universe and make said licenses worthless by default." Battleworld just sounds so contrived that it's difficult to believe that it's not part of some strategic move, rather than any reasonable plot creativity.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Chas ( 5144 )

      Yeah. NO.

      Marvel is NOT going to stick a fork into this cash cow. Sorry.

      And even if they WERE petty enough to do something DUMB like that, it wouldn't affect those licenses.

      What you're seeing is a result of Marvel trying to break into the motion picture entertainment business, and the differing strategies of several successive management teams.

      Years ago, "they were just a comics shop" trying to shop their properties around, since they didn't have the means to produce films themselves. So they went to the

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        There is no reason for Marvel to break into the motion picture entertainment business, they are a subsidiary of the Walt Disney Company. Since being acquired by Disney in 2009, Marvel is no longer licensing its properties to other studios. All this represents is Marvel working with its licensing partners (pre-acquisition) that want a bigger return on their investment.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Chas ( 5144 )

          There is no reason for Marvel to break into the motion picture entertainment business

          Sure there is.

          MONEY.

          Just looking at US box office, of the top 50 highest grossing movies, there are 11 comic book films. 8 of which are Marvel property films. All but three are actually PRODUCED by Marvel.
          Representing over THREE BILLION DOLLARS in revenue. And that's just the US box office. Worldwide receipts are even BIGGER.

          Marvel was not ALWAYS a subsidiary of Walt Disney Company. And the push towards Marvel Studios and the MCU began before the 2009 purchase.
          It just accelerated once mouse money was i

    • Battleworld is from 1984. This is the fourth Secret Wars event (fifth if you count Nick Fury's "Secret War" with Latveria). They were contrived as a "let's see large numbers of supers duke it out without terribly altering Earth" move. Why they're doing that now after House of M, Civil War, Avengers vs X-Men, and the Ex Nihlo/White Event storylines that markedly changed Earth, I don't know.

  • The Empire Strikes Back ? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Rollgunner ( 630808 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @02:18AM (#49026993)
    Disney Exec : Ok, we need to get that Spiderman property back.

    Disney Lawyer : There's no legal recourse for us, sir. They got the license from Marvel before we bought them.

    Disney Exec : I know, I know... Plus, our usual tactic of throwing money at them won't work, either; Sony is in great shape financially.

    Disney Lawyer : I might have an idea about that, sir... [speed dials Kim Jong-Un]

    ... or maybe not.

    • Disney Exec : I know, I know... Plus, our usual tactic of throwing money at them won't work, either; [b]Sony is in great shape financially.[/b]
       

      Actually, they haven't been in great shape financially [yahoo.com]. But that otherwise might have been plausible...

  • Am I the only one who isn't a big fan of superhero movies? They just rehash the same story over and over again. Like Superman, every movie rehashes the same story.

    • That's true to a degree. Heroes need to be challenged on par with their abilities. Superman will never be meaningfully threatened by anything, and Thor's opponents will always ancient, magical beings since anyone from Iron Man's rogues gallery would be instant toast against him.
      But there had never been a movie like the Avengers before, and I'd like to put forth that Captain America 2 made a wonderful pivot to being as much an espionage thriller as a super hero movie.

      • The Mandarin or Fin Fang Foom would fit well with Thor, probably better than in an Iron Man movie, but that is my beef with the movies. Tony has fought robot, robots, and tiny robots because he is the tech guy. Thor has fought superstrong magic beasts, superstrong and magic beasts. Hulk has fought gamma beasts and gamma beast. Cap has fought corrupted super soldier and corrupted super soldier. Antman is changing the powers of the main villian to be the evil antman. Avengers was sort of refreshing but

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Xest ( 935314 )

      I never used to but they've grown on me in recent years. I think I had to just step back and re-approach it all with a neutral view and a will to give it a chance. Having done that I've found I view them like any other movie now, some are good, some are bad. I loved Avengers Assemble, but thought Winter Soldier was dull. Loved Green Lantern but found Man of Steel a bit boring. Some, like Guardians of the Galaxy you can just enjoy standalone, I enjoyed it because it frankly shared an awful lot of the traits

    • Not your imagination: unless the movie writers love the character enough to let them use their skills to solve problems (see any James Bond film for example) the cheapest story arcs that you will see over and over again in these blockbusters are
      1) The origin Story
      2) The origin story of the villain
      3) The hero loses his powers
      4) The hero goes bad.
      5) Doomed love.

      The X-files, Columbo, even Buffy...these shows feed off interesting plotlines in which the hero gets to be themselves in coping with situations.

      The st

    • They reached the saturation point for me several years back. As soon as I realize it's a comic book movie, I pretty much instantly lose all interest. They all have the same basic story/plot (see the screenwriting book "Save The Cat!") and it's just the same characters over and over since they just keep rebooting the same franchises instead of trying something new. I don't get it, but it seems that lots of people like them so they'll just keep cranking them out as long as they make money.

  • Sony Pictures will continue to ... have final creative control of the Spider-Man films.

    ....and there in lies the problem.

  • Uncle Ben Shoots First (Score:4, Funny)

    by WhoBeDaPlaya ( 984958 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @08:12AM (#49027901) Homepage
    Hey, it could happen...

  • Backstory, finally (Score:5, Funny)

    by dbrueck ( 1872018 ) on Wednesday February 11, 2015 @08:50AM (#49027983)

    Hooray, maybe now we'll finally get to see Spiderman's backstory - like how he came to be and how Uncle Ben died - instead of always seeing him later on in his super hero career when he has moved past teenage angst and settled into his role.

  • Peter Parker again? Lets see Miles Morales on the big screen! (Yeah, it was Peter in the 616-CivilWar, but given how the MCU adapts comics-canon? You can't tell me Miles wouldn't be a great fit, especially given the greater risk a young black super-hero in NYC runs by unmasking.)

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by vakuona ( 788200 )

      It wouldn't make sense for Sony to have a non-Peter Parker Spiderman in there, and I can also imagine that they will have demanded that they be allowed to cast their own Spiderman.

      I am also sure they would have conditions about Spiderman's involvement in the film to make it worthwhile for them.

      If not, it would be quite a strange arrangement for Sony.

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