Follow Slashdot blog updates by subscribing to our blog RSS feed

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Sci-Fi Books

Some of the Greatest Science Fiction Novels Are Fix-Ups 104

HughPickens.com writes: What do science fiction classics like Asimov's Foundation Trilogy, Bradbury's Martian Chronicles, Van Vogt's Voyage of the Space Beagle, Simak's City, and Sturgeon's More Than Human have in common? Each of them is a "fix-up" — a novel constructed out of short stories that were previously published on their own. "This used to be one standard way to write a science fiction novel — publish a series of stories that all take place in the same world, and then knit them together into a book," says Charlie Jane Anders. "Sometimes a great deal of revision happened, to turn the separate stories into a single narrative and make sure all the threads joined up. Sometimes, the stories remain pretty separate but there are links between them."

The Golden Age science fiction publishing market was heavily geared toward magazines and short stories. And then suddenly, there was this huge demand for tons of novels. According to Andrew Liptak, this left many science fiction authors caught in a hard place: Many had come to depend on the large number of magazines on the market that would pay them for their work, and as readership declined, so too did the places in which to publish original fiction. The result was an innovative solution: repackage a number of preexisting short stories by adding to or rewriting portions of them to work together as a single story. This has its advantages; you get more narrative "payoff" with a collection of stories that also forms a single continuous meta-story than you do with a single over-arching novel — because each story has its own conclusion, and yet the story builds towards a bigger resolution. Fix-ups are a good, representative example of the transition that the publishing industry faced at the time, and how its authors adapted. Liptak says, "It's a lesson that's well-worth looking closely at, as the entire publishing industry faces new technological challenges and disruptions from the likes of self-publishing and micro-press platforms."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Some of the Greatest Science Fiction Novels Are Fix-Ups

Comments Filter:
  • Um, duh? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:31AM (#49234483)

    Some days the sky is blue! Other days, it's cloudy.

  • Don't forget Burning Chrome. Shouldn't it be on the Wikipedia list for Fix-Ups?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... [wikipedia.org]

    • Re:William Gibson (Score:5, Informative)

      by PapaBoojum ( 232247 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:52AM (#49234687)

      Fix ups are short stories that are later weaved together - often after significant alteration from their original form - to construct a larger overarching narrative. They are not simply collections of short stories. Burning Chrome is simply a collection of short stories, some of which happen to take place in the same Sprawl 'universe'. However there is no overall narrative threading through all of the stories in Burning Chrome.

      • Thanks for the clarification. I thought it would fit the definition since some of the stories contained the same characters.

      • Some are, some aren't. The first two Discworld books are woven stories, but the infrastructure was basically consistent.

        • by Quirkz ( 1206400 )

          The first two Discworld books are woven stories

          Didn't know that, but I can remember thinking the string of adventures was particularly episodic and, well, strung together. I chalked it up to youthfulness and perhaps trying to mimic older style adventure books, but this explains a lot of it.

          • I read several of the Discworld stories in magazines originally, which is how I know. Then one day years later, "Small Gods" came to my attention and I started backtracking from there. I don't know if he wasn't as well-known in the USA for his first few books or I'd just missed them.

  • by Thanshin ( 1188877 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:36AM (#49234527)

    Movie adaptations went from one to many and then to series. The edges blur and soon we'll complete the full batch of movie remakes into series.

    And in this case it's also a matter of medium rather than story. A theater may need two hour long movies, but Netflix can sell thirteen chapter series just as easily.

    • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:48AM (#49234637) Journal

      Good point... but selling 13 chapters would be akin to selling a television season (not counting commercials), as opposed to a cinematic thing. Some stories (e.g. Foundation, Heinlein's Future History, etc) would be best treated in a TV series-style format, so you can get the 13 hours (not counting commercials) needed to stuff that much damned content into it.

      Movies are limited by necessity - 3 hours is a long-ass stretch in one go at a theater. The classic Dr. Zhivago movie was IIRC 2-3 hours, and it had an intentional intermission inserted smack in the middle of it, even on the DVD. ( Originally it was so that folks could get up and stretch their legs, have a smoke, etc.) It was one of the few movies I've seen that didn't completely butcher the novel in order to make it fit into a small (-ish) timeframe. Consider that even a fast reader will take hours on end to consume a typical novel... a straight movie is way too short a format.

      • by XanC ( 644172 )

        Many films have intermissions in them, even on the DVD. Just off the top of my head, trying to get a good range of eras: Gone with the Wind (1939), Camelot (1967), Hamlet (1996).

      • A rule of thumb is that one page of a screenplay is about one minute of screen time. Interestingly, this works whether the page is dialog, description, action, or some combination. So if a 120 page screenplay means a movie of about two hours, most novels need to be drastically cut to be turned into practical screenplays.
      • by Reziac ( 43301 ) *

        Including credits and such:

        Dr.Zhivago: 192 or 200 minutes depending on version

        Gone With the Wind -- 238 minutes
        (also usually shown with an intermission)

        I don't know of any longer films, but I'm not a film buff.

    • It comes down to money/society placement
      First We had short stories. Because before the written tradition, they were passed verbally and needed to be short enough to be memorized. So the local story teller who's place in society is limited on his memorization skill, and story telling ability.
      Then when the printed word came out, the stories became longer, because we are able to pass on more complex issues, and store it. Getting a book was expensive, so you might as well get a big one, as the economy of sca

    • Now it sometimes seems every other movie in a series is a reboot or remake so they just end up making the same movie over and over.
  • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:37AM (#49234533) Journal

    I know a lot of the ancillary and similar stories around it were lash-ups meant to add to it (and to make a continuum for Daneel and suchlike), but wasn't the original Foundation trilogy meant to be written together, Mule and all?

    Maybe it's just the distance of time since I read it, but I could have sworn that the three original Foundation books were written together intentionally.

    • Re:Foundation? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:44AM (#49234591)

      but wasn't the original Foundation trilogy meant to be written together, Mule and all?

      No. The first book, specifically, was a collection of short stories. Reread it, paying attention to the structure: a series of events years/decades apart dealing with the problems of the Foundation as it grew to replace the Empire....

    • Re:Foundation? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Hussman32 ( 751772 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:45AM (#49234599)

      The first Foundation novel was eight short stories published together. Foundation and Empire was a complete novel, as was the Second Foundation.

      • Re:Foundation? (Score:5, Informative)

        by radarskiy ( 2874255 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @01:47PM (#49235793)

        There were eight original Foundation stories, but _Foundation_ only contains 5 stories: "The Psychohistorians", "The Encylopedists", "The Mayor"s, "The Traders", and "The Merchant Princes". "The Psychohistorians" was written specifically for the book.

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        I thought that "Foundation and Empire" was originally two novellets.

        OTOH, why did they leave out Triplanetary. That was an earlier "fixup" and any of the others they mentioned (and I don't think the idea was new then.)

    • There were eight Foundations stories published separately. The first four with one new story were combined for _Foundation_, the next two made up _Foundation and Empire_ and the remaining two made up _Second Foundation_. The other Foundation books were written as entire complete novels.

  • by StefanJ ( 88986 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:39AM (#49234543) Homepage Journal

    The first, ummm, say two-third's of David Brin's Existence is a mix of short stories (altered a bit since their publication) and a new framework that ties it all together. It works pretty well.

    The last third takes place many years after the intrigues of the first part, using a subset of the initial large cast. It is threaded around an updated version of a very old story, "Lungfish," which is arguably the keystone.

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      The first, ummm, say two-third's of David Brin's Existence is a mix of short stories (altered a bit since their publication) and a new framework that ties it all together. It works pretty well.

      The last third takes place many years after the intrigues of the first part, using a subset of the initial large cast. It is threaded around an updated version of a very old story, "Lungfish," which is arguably the keystone.

      For me Existence started out OK, delved into "where is this going?", followed by a "is there any point to this story?" but then pissed me off with that hacked version of Lungfish slotted in at the end. While in general I thought it was a weak book, I thought that the hacking of Lungfish was a travesty that he committed against his own work and in the process lost a lot of what made the original Lungfish so good.

      And I say this as a fan of Brin's work, and recognize his ability to write a great story with

    • The first, ummm, say two-third's of David Brin's Existence is a mix of short stories (altered a bit since their publication) and a new framework that ties it all together. It works pretty well.

      The last third takes place many years after the intrigues of the first part, using a subset of the initial large cast. It is threaded around an updated version of a very old story, "Lungfish," which is arguably the keystone.

      My own existence is nothing but a bunch of short stories sharing some of the main characters. Doesn't cohere well.

  • They are turning into series that are meganovels.
    Lord of the Rings, I don't of as an example of this phenomena, but mnore a precursor.

    Lois McMaster Bujolds Vorkosigan series does seem to be one of the major ones.

    The prototypical ones are the Harry Potter series.

    • Simply amazing that creative individuals, trying to make enough money to survive, modify their creations to fit the wants and needs of their prospective audience.

      I'm just totally dumfounded. Next thing you'll tell me is that graphic artists are using computers these days. Maybe somebody should patent that.

      • I love the way Asimov in his later novels tied the robot stories back into the Foundation Trilogy covering 20,000 years IIRC.
        • I love the way Asimov in his later novels tied the robot stories back into the Foundation Trilogy covering 20,000 years IIRC.

          He tried too hard. I wish he'd left some of his works unconnected, as the stitching is embarrassingly crude in some cases.

          OTOH, Andre Norton mostly left well enough alone. While some concepts and places overlapped between series, there was no attempt to force them all into alignment when they differed. Her later years, perhaps not so much, but that's when she had other people tying into her works.

          • by Livius ( 318358 )

            the stitching is embarrassingly crude in some cases.

            Crude isn't quite the word I would use, but I felt that the reader was expected to think that the links were totally cool (some were interesting, some were very obvious) and that was supposed to make up for the lack of actual story. One of them was very long and I recall reading every second chapter and feeling very certain I didn't miss anything.

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      They are turning into series that are mega-novels.

      I lament the falling of the ability of an author to construct and present a complete story in a single novel. To me, the preponderance of multi-book series highlights the loss of ability.

      • by pla ( 258480 )
        To me, the preponderance of multi-book series highlights the loss of ability.

        You have mistaken "revenue generation" for "ability".

        That said, don't view the past through too rosy glasses. Harry Potter consisted of seven books, but so did LotR (if you include The Hobbit), and so did the Chronicles of Narnia. HHGttG has five books by DNA. Dune has six (and a half) by Herbert. Clarke's Space Odyssey has four. And to address the FP topic, Asimov's Foundation has seven.

        Now, if you want to tackle "seri
        • by dwywit ( 1109409 )

          Not to forget Niven's "Known Space". That's not a loss of ability, that's a BIG playground, with lots of stories to tell.

      • In some cases of novel series, each novel is a good stand-alone work, as well as part of a larger whole. Some stories will not fit well into the scope of one novel.

    • Lord of the Rings, I don't of as an example of this phenomena, but mnore a precursor.

      Lord of the Rings has nothing to do with this. Tolkien wrote it as a single work, and it was originally intended to be published in a single volume. It was decided that its size simply made that too difficult and it was split into three volumes. It was never a "series", it simply *was* a meganovel from the start. (I have a very nice single-volume edition of it, hardback in a red binding done up to look like the Red Book

      • Tolkien wrote it as a two-book set: LOTR and the Silmarillion. The publisher nixed the Silmarillion, and, as you say, split LOTR into 3 volumes.
        • I don't know about any later intent of Tolkien to finally publish the Silmarillion alongside the LOTR, but the bulk of the material that was eventually published posthumously as "The Silmarillion" was written long before Tolkien ever scribbled down "in a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit", much less wrote a whole book around that phrase, much less the obligatory sequel that got so big it became a trilogy connected to his old mythopoeia about the Eldar and their history.

          Also, the LOTR is internally str

          • Also, the LOTR is internally structured into six "books". Each published volume contains two of them. I'm not sure how many volumes Tolkien intended it to be published as, but at first glance that would suggest six.

            This really doesn't mean anything. Sometimes a novel is structured into "books" that have nothing to do with the physical format it's issued in, as an additional layer above the chapters. The practice is perhaps less common than it used to be but you still see occassionally. Tolkien definitel

        • Well, no. The Silmarillion came first but was never a publishable manuscript in Tolkien's lifetime--only after some extensive editing by Christopher Tolkien after J.R.R.'s death did it get to see print. Tolkien showed some drafts to publishers and got told it was not sellable, so he wrote the Lord of the Rings instead. There were never at the time any plans by anyone for a "two-book set."

  • One of many excellent sci-fi books by Spider Robinson [spiderrobinson.com].
  • Joe Haldeman's excellent "The Forever War" was (is) a fixup. There was even a story left out of the novel because it was 'too depressing.' I was reading these as they came out, and remember that story. Yeah, depressing. Similarly, Stephen King's first Dark Tower book had a number of sections first appear in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science-Fiction. F&SF also published "The Forvelaka" (title?) and a few other stories that became the core of Glen Cooks first Black Company novel.
    • by crow ( 16139 )

      I remember doing "The Forever War" for my sci-fi book club. When we met to discuss it, we were shocked to find that we had read different versions. Depending on which printing you get, you may or may not get the depressing story in the middle. I don't believe it was ever written as separate stories, though. This was a case of an editor cutting something out, and then having it restored years later.

  • by Hussman32 ( 751772 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @11:59AM (#49234753)

    If you've ever read 'Beggars in Spain' by Nancy Kress, you'll see the first book is mostly short stories combined. It made for an interesting story told over time. 'Beggars and Choosers' was a novel, and it seemed to hurt the narrative.

    • by Daetrin ( 576516 )
      I'm confused, because it's really too bad that she never wrote a sequel to Beggars in Spain. And it's _really_ too bad that she never wrote a sequel to that theoretical sequel. I'm sure they would have worked out all their differences and everyone and everything would be happy and wonderful at the end of it!
  • by ThatsNotPudding ( 1045640 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @12:07PM (#49234849)
    Clarke's The Sentinel was the fore-runner to 2001: A Space Odyssey.
    • by eschasi ( 252157 )
      As defined here, a fixup combines multiple short stories into an interlinked longer work. One short story as inspiration for a film and a later novel definitely is not a fixup.
  • by xanthos ( 73578 ) <[xanthos] [at] [toke.com]> on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @12:12PM (#49234911)

    If you are unfamiliar with the work of Clifford Simak I strongly suggest that you give him a try. What I have always loved is that there is so much that is just unknown going on in his stories. No great hero's, no great battles, just a lot of "what the hell is going on here?"

    His last book "Highway of Eternity" is great and "Ring around the Sun" has always been a favorite as well. Most of his stuff is a short quick read abd us easily found in your favorite used book store (you do have one I hope).

    At a minimum read the novel synopsis over at Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] to get a glimpse of a very interesting author.

  • A Canticle for Leibowitz was originally three novellas as well.

    Interestingly, though this is fantasy rather than sci-fi, but Brandon Sanderson's recent epic, "Words of Radiance", was written as a trilogy with interstitial short stories - but meant from the beginning to have been published as a single book. (As per this interview [tor.com].)

    • "Words of Radiance" is the second and not the last in a series of novels. I have yet to see Sanderson write a self-contained novel (he has managed to write self-contained shorter fiction).

    • A Canticle for Leibowitz was originally three novellas as well.

      That probably explains why it reads like three loosely connected stories then.

  • It started with short stories - magazines were popular back when TV did not exist.

    Then books started taking over. They made more money for several reasons.

    Now a book is not profitable, at least not first ones. It takes time for authors to become famous enough to get enough readers.

    So the only way to make money writing a book is to do it in series. First one creates a market, the second one makes small profit, the third or greater one makes the real money.

    I can't see the trend continuing - having to

    • It's more the case that if an author writes a successful book, then more follow in a very similar vein. The following books also help the sales of the original. No number of novels will make a stinker sell, and attempting to do so is a waste of life.
  • by vanyel ( 28049 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @12:25PM (#49235041) Journal

    Although this isn't news, it does make me realize that it is very similar to a style of TV show I rather like: episodes that can stand on their own, but with a strong story arc that plays out over a set of shows. Typically arcs run over a season or even several, though I would like to see them run over say a half dozen episodes so a given story arc is re-watchable in a reasonable amount of time.

    • I was just scanning the comments to see if this point had already been made. Thanks!

      Perhaps the most obvious example of this was Babylon 5. In many ways that woke up television producers to the option of strong story arcs across seasons or even the entire show instead of the old rule that everything had to end back in the same state where it started. Sure, there are plenty of other examples, even before B5, but I think that is what really changed the market.

      Now it's standard practice for lots of shows: 2

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        I was just scanning the comments to see if this point had already been made. Thanks!

        Perhaps the most obvious example of this was Babylon 5. In many ways that woke up television producers to the option of strong story arcs across seasons or even the entire show instead of the old rule that everything had to end back in the same state where it started. Sure, there are plenty of other examples, even before B5, but I think that is what really changed the market.

        Now it's standard practice for lots of shows: 24, Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who, and many others.

        B5 wasn't the first series to have a long overlapping story arc, but it was the one that refined it into what we know today. The Prisoner from the 60's is the earliest example I can think of off the top of my head.

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      You're assuming that fix-ups involve the same characters. That need not be the case. For example, most people would probably categorize my first novel as a fix-up, because a chunk of it started as an unrelated short story that I adapted into the universe. It uses different characters, and is expressed as a flashback to the main character as a child, being told the secondary story by his grandfather (who otherwise plays a very insignificant role in the book).

      Other fix-ups interleave stories about diffe

    • by swb ( 14022 )

      It grows tiresome quickly though when the series narrative only comes out in dribbles and is used mostly as a teaser. The "standalone" content is often formulaic and only loosely tied to the overarching narrative.

      I'm watching Fringe right now and it's so annoying to deal with basically the same episode structure over and over only to get bits and pieces of the larger narrative. Maybe it's just a JJ Abrams thing, but I'd rather have a true narrative that spans episodes than a mix of repetitive filler with o

      • by vanyel ( 28049 )

        As with all things, there are good ways of doing it and bad...

        • by swb ( 14022 )

          It seems like so much relies on the bad way of doing it. The larger narrative is just an annoying teaser that they don't seem to develop very well but tease out. It's seems like just laziness on the part of the writers.

          I think the best method is to have multiple story arcs. Very small stories that can fit into a single episode, medium sized ones that can span 2-4 episodes and a larger arc that spans the season and/or series.

          • by vanyel ( 28049 )

            I think Grimm is doing it about the best of any of them: you have the "Wessen of the week", there's the small arcs of various things happening in Portland and then you have the larger arc of the Royals/Resistance/Keys (which they could devote a little more time to admittedly). Combined with interesting characters and it's no wonder it's one of my favorite shows at the moment.

  • The Illustrated Man?

    • by rot26 ( 240034 )
      Yes. Also wins the prize for the worst tacked-on story-arc container. I like Bradbury's work, in general, but he's as asshole and this book was some hack's lame attempt at making a shitty movie.
  • There are plenty of places to get readership for a serial these days. BOFH is but one example of a short short serial series. Lots of long-story web comics have a one-page comic out once or twice a week. Many people do a weekly tech blog, business blog, news blog, or politics blog, many of which are multiple case studies or ongoing case studies. Serialized fiction works great on TV. Serialized short stories could definitely find a nice niche again.
  • If you look at the Wheel of time, it generally had 3-5 story lines running along the same time line. Just like Game of Thrones does now. This is not a new idea and its already improved on and successful for authors. The issue is how many authors can do a complex time lined parallel story without making crap?
  • Andy Wier's The Martian started life as a chapter at a time blog. It only became a novel later when people started asking for a version they could put on their Kindles. One advantage of this format is that the author gets feedback after each chapter and can fix things on the fly.
  • Cities in Flight by James Blish, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J... [wikipedia.org]

    and Catacomb Years by Michael Bishop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]
  • The preface to the collection "Killer in the Rain" discusses how Chandler repurposed plot, character and description from these short stories to create "The Big Sleep," "Farewell My Lovely," and "Lady in the Lake." The stories were originally published in pulp magazines and most were not republished until after his death. Short stories can help a writer discover her/his voice, develop characters, and possibly an audience.
  • by peter303 ( 12292 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @01:11PM (#49235485)
    Including famous authors like Dickens and Hawthorne. You'd get a new chpater in every monthly magazine.
    • That's serialization (which is, in SF, far more common), not compilation (the topic of TFA).

    • by radtea ( 464814 ) on Wednesday March 11, 2015 @05:08PM (#49237003)

      Others have pointed out that these were serials, not fixups, although some Victorian authors may have published fixups: the concept is ancient.

      Two examples:

      1) the Iliad is probably a fixup. The first bunch of books are heavily focused on Diomedes, who then more-or-less disappears completely from the story. There is some contention that the parts of books V and VI dealing with him were once a separate story.

      2) going even further back, Gilgamesh is probably a fixup. There's a good deal of evidence that it was assembled from pre-existing stories of Gilgamesh and Enkidu (and also Utnapishtim, the Chaldean "Noah" who was lifted by the early Hebrews along with so much else).

      3) and the Bible itself, which seems to have been written rather late in Jewish history, almost certainly assembled from pre-existing stand-alone tales, which explains the contradictions in the two stories of creation and so on.

    • Traditional science fiction serials were somewhat the reverse: take a story, and divide it up into several smaller chunks, each of which would work as a story in its own right, although most would have cliffhangers rather than resolutions.

  • ...and the Internet pedants will pillory you for "self-plagiarism." (Unless they agree with your politics :-))
  • Despite different origins, there's a screenwriting theory that forces this process. The mini-movie method asks writer to create eight "stories" that as a whole are supposed to result in a satisfying movie. In brief:

    • Mini-movie 1: Our hero’s status quo, his ordinary life, ends with an inciting incident or call to adventure.
    • Mini-movie 2: Our hero’s denial of the call, and his gradually being locked into the conflict brought on by this call.
    • Mini-movie 3: Our hero’s first attempts to solve his
  • Many classic SF novels are knit together from previous short stories -- I thought everyone knew this.
  • When Fantastic Voyage was being made into a movie, Bantam Books asked Isaac Asimov to write the story as a book. From the Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org], "Because the novelization was released six months before the movie, many people mistakenly believed Asimov's book had inspired the film." Asimov made some changes that he thought had to be made, but he kept to the movie's plot as much as possible.

  • Just because a novel was published as a series of short stories doesn't mean that it was written as a series of stories then lashed to gether later. The author may have intended it to be a single novel all along.
    • ... or planned a novel, which he then sliced up into short-story-sized parts for publication.

      Innovative? Bullshit! Dickens was doing this 150 years ago. The only significant difference was that Dickens had guarantees of the order in which his installments would be published. but he still needed to set up each story (not everyone would have got all the previous parts), continue the established story lines, and lead to a cliff-hanger for the end of the episode. Lather, rinse, repeat.

  • What a pile of utter tripe. It's a frikkin SERIES.. that always belonged together. This is a non-sequiter for a /. post, IMHO..

We are Microsoft. Unix is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare to be assimilated.

Working...