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ESPN Sues Verizon To Stop New Sports-Free TV Bundles 329

Mr D from 63 writes: ESPN isn't a fan of Verizon's new way of offering cable channels under its Fios TV service — they're now suing Verizon for it. The lawsuit comes after Verizon unveiled new bundles that allow customers to choose specific packages of channels that can be swapped every 30 days. ESPN claims this offer is not in compliance with their agreements with Verizon. In the U.S., ESPN depends heavily on viewership during the football season, then basketball. "ESPN is at the forefront of embracing innovative ways to deliver high-quality content and value to consumers on multiple platforms, but that must be done in compliance with our agreements," said an ESPN spokeswoman in a statement. "We simply ask that Verizon abide by the terms of our contracts."
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ESPN Sues Verizon To Stop New Sports-Free TV Bundles

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  • by roman_mir ( 125474 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:40PM (#49562651) Homepage Journal

    If Verizon is in fact breaking a contract it has with ESPN then all I can say is that it is a horrible contract.

    I don't watch TV, haven't for more years than I can remember, I don't care for commercials and I don't care for the content. I have 0 (zero) interest in watching any sports on TV whatsoever, never had any interest in watching sports, never will have any interest in watching sports.

    Just saying, forcing somebody like me to sign up for a service that provides sports information as part of the package is a 100% way to have me avoid that service.

    • by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:48PM (#49562741)

      Forced inclusion of expensive channels that I never watch was the primary driver of me dropping my cable sub. I was thinking about doing Dish's Sling TV, but it has guess what as part of the base package? ESPN. I don't want to give that fucking company a dime, even if Sling TV is cheap.

      • Agreed.

        I'd happily give up ESPN off sling to get something actually worthwhile. I haven't gone to ESPN even once on sling.

        • by sconeu ( 64226 )

          ESPN is great if

          1. You're a fan of the New York Yankees or Boston Red Sox
          2. You're a fan of the New England Patriots
          3. You're a fan of LeBron James

          Otherwise, it sucks giant donkey dongs.

      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        It's not just forced inclusion. If someone signs up to ESPN for 5 minutes (actually signs up for that time, not just an annulled error), then Verizon is supposed to pay ESPN for a minimum time for that customer.

        I expect Verizon is violating the contract. The only question is whether the contract holds up in court.

        ESPN does this to prevent people signing up for just one season of sports. But it holds back the options the cable companies provide.
        • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

          But how is this different from any other cable company? If I'm not under contract, I was under the impression that I could change my service level any time I wanted.

          I thought the problem was the to get channels X, Y, and Z, I had to also agree to pay for channels A, B, and C. Not that I couldn't drop all of those as a whole whenever I wanted.

    • by ArhcAngel ( 247594 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:51PM (#49562785)
      Disney (they own ESPN [wikipedia.org]) has always negotiated the contract such that if you want to purchase ESPN you must purchase ALL of ESPN's channels. Oh, and if you offer it on your base tier package then you must offer all of it on the base tier package.

      Don't like it? Fine no Disney/ABC/ESPN channels for you! And no Marvel or Star Wars titles. And no Muppets while we're at it. You want to tell your kid he can't watch Disney because YOU wouldn't pay for ESPN Classic?
      • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:56PM (#49562841)

        Why make your kids cry? www.thepiratebay...

      • You want to tell your kid he can't watch Disney because YOU wouldn't pay for ESPN Classic?

        - yes.

      • Don't like it? Fine no Disney/ABC/ESPN channels for you! And no Marvel or Star Wars titles. And no Muppets while we're at it.

        And nothing of value was lost... (I was almost going to say "except for maybe the Marvel movies", but then I realized: outside of their initial theater runs, I've not watched a damn one of them aside from filler noise at friends houses, and I have no desire to.)

    • by pnutjam ( 523990 )
      They should vilify ESPN and make it seem like they won't ever agree to sane contracts and imply they are destroying the industry. Probably true in this case, but even if it's not, it worked on Unions.
    • If Verizon is in fact breaking a contract it has with ESPN then all I can say is that it is a horrible contract.

      I don't watch TV, haven't for more years than I can remember, I don't care for commercials and I don't care for the content. I have 0 (zero) interest in watching any sports on TV whatsoever, never had any interest in watching sports, never will have any interest in watching sports.

      Just saying, forcing somebody like me to sign up for a service that provides sports information as part of the package is a 100% way to have me avoid that service.

      If you're that picky about your carriers and contracts, I wonder how the hell you own a cell phone.

      There are a lot of features on that device that I have no interest in running, never had any interest in running, and will never have any interest in whatsoever, and yet there it is, sucking my battery dry.

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:24PM (#49563165)

      If Verizon is in fact breaking a contract it has with ESPN then all I can say is that it is a horrible contract.

      It's nothing new. The NFL Network did (and probably still does) something similar. They had a contractual requirement that they be part of the "basic cable" package and not a special sports tier, and at the same time wanted to get paid per viewer, which means that they get paid for every subscriber that a carrier has, regardless of whether they want the channel or not.

      ESPN and Verizon both realize the same thing, lots of people don't care about sports and lots of people are aware that ESPN is one of the most expensive channels to carry. Consumers want out of paying for crap they don't care about, Verizon wants to hold onto video subscribers, and ESPN wants to keep their gravy train rolling.

    • by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @03:36PM (#49563855)

      Don't blame Verizon for signing this "bad contract", blame Disney.

      Disney refuses to sell ANY of its vast portfolio of content to ANY cable provider unless that provider agrees to put ESPN in the base package.
      The problem for Disney is that if they allow cable companies to separate out ESPN (into a separate "sports" package, into a higher tier or on its own) then the number of ESPN customers drops dramatically (those who never watch it and those who watch it but wouldn't pay for it separately) which means they have to spread the cost of buying all that expensive sport across far fewer customers.

  • by toonces33 ( 841696 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:40PM (#49562653)

    There is absolutely nothing innovative about what they do other than pick the pockets of every cable/satellite subscriber in the country. It is attitudes like theirs that are pushing more and more people to just cut the cord and build their own a-la-carte bundles from Netflix or Hulu.

    • what's going to eventually happen is dynamic channel switching, a return to the old days when youi "paid" for channel 6 while you watched it (in the 50s, by watching commercials and maybe trying the Swanson's dinner sponsoring the program.) in other words, customers either create their OWN bundles, or from the availiable channels, they pick what they want now, and are post-view billed for the usage. there will be no free rides in the 210-channel bundle for the Disney Outtakes Channel, or ESPN 17: pick-up

      • by div_2n ( 525075 )

        I seriously doubt that's where it's headed at least not in the way you describe. The trend is towards on demand streaming. Even HBO who I thought would be the last is one of the first with their no landline subscription needed access to their on demand service.

        There may be usage based billing, but a set fee makes more sense so that even if people get really busy and barely watch anything for a while, companies still make their money.

        Some cable companies are looking into turning essentially every channel int

    • Who wants a sports channel to be innovative? You watch a sports channel to watch sports. And no pocket is being picked. Companies willingly pay them for their channel because the vast majority of cable subscribers want it. They always want to pay less, of course, but the other option (no ESPN) just isn't viable in most cases. Maybe that will change sooner rather than later, but I doubt it. Sports are the only thing most people still watch live, so those types of channels are still valuable.
      • by toonces33 ( 841696 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:29PM (#49563237)

        Ahh, but I don't want to each sports. Ever. And even if I did, ESPN effectively only has basketball and football - if there are other sports you want you are almost always out of luck as well. And yet I have to pay for it whether I want it or not.

        And what do they do with all of the money that they pick from our pockets? They overpay for the rights to televise sports. The scandals involving the huge amounts of money out there for both college football and basketball are directly related to how much TV money is floating around out there.

        And I would venture a guess that there are a far more people out there who don't watch sports that you might think there are.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 ) <slashdot@worf.ERDOSnet minus math_god> on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:46PM (#49563405)

        And no pocket is being picked. Companies willingly pay them for their channel because the vast majority of cable subscribers want it. They always want to pay less, of course, but the other option (no ESPN) just isn't viable in most cases.

        ESPN is the most expensive channel on cable, and it comprises probably close to HALF the cost of basic cable - ESPN charges cable providers around $12/month/subscriber.

        Contrast with History or Discovery - you can get every channel on either network for under $1/month/subscriber - the amount you pay on basic cable for each amounts to under 50 cents. And practically all the cable channels are paid like that - well under a quarter each.

        That's why ESPN is angry - because having every subscriber pay it tons of money every month is a great business model - including those who don't want it.

    • Just like Google after them, ESPN was once the plucky, decent, little engine that could. But once the money started rolling in, they both turned into rapacious, black-hearted juggernauts with out-sized influence at every level including regulatory capture.

      A pox on both their mansions.
    • by cshay ( 79326 )

      There's the rub though - if you are a sports fan, it is very very difficult to "cut the cord". ESPN knows this and unlike many other channels they have a ton of leverage because of it. In a very real sense, they are the sole remaining profit center for cable TV.

    • by Dracos ( 107777 )

      ESPN is by far the most expensive channel block... every subscriber pays about $5/month for ESPN, whether or not they watch any sports.

      Bundling is what keeps most channels alive, via bundling subsidy. Anything that even remotely represents a la carte will be fought by the content providers.

  • ESPN delenda est (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Mike Van Pelt ( 32582 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:41PM (#49562663)
    I would gladly pay more for a bundle that did not include ESPN, or any of the other "sports" networks, or Empty-V or any of its myriad clones. Or the shopping channels.
    • by OctoberSky ( 888619 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:51PM (#49562787)

      I would gladly pay more for a bundle that did not include ESPN, or any of the other "sports" networks, or Empty-V or any of its myriad clones. Or the shopping channels.

      Wait, you would gladly pay more for less?

      • by ebyrob ( 165903 )

        Sometimes, less *is* more... Many people pay for the exclusion of advertisements on websites.

    • I would gladly pay more for a bundle that did not include ESPN

      WTF?! Save your money and just don't watch them. You can even set up a favorites list so you never even see them when channel surfing. Don't give Veromcast-warner any ideas that there are morons out there who would pay more for less just to make a statement or we'll all start seeing channel exclusion fees!

      And who the hell gave you +4 for that?!

      • I've done that -- I don't watch them, and they aren't on my favorites list. Still, I am personally offended that several dollars per month of my cable bill goes to them. Removing that offense is worth some (smallish) amount of money to me.
  • by netsavior ( 627338 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:41PM (#49562669)
    I thought that was the only reason anyone had cable anymore, for the sportsing. Especially since HBONow is finally a thing.
    • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:47PM (#49562725)

      If I could have gotten a cable package without sports channels (which would have been much cheaper than anything actually offered), I might actually still have it. As it is, the cable company lost me as a customer in part because of their dumbass deal with ESPN.

    • I pay less than a third of what I did with cable for my streaming services and have an easier time finding the content I want when I want it. My sons enjoy it also but tend to complain when football season starts because none of the services I have do sports.

    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:58PM (#49562857)

      Cable? It's the only reason for having a TV anymore.

    • by Zordak ( 123132 )
      I have to pay for a monthly subscription to DirecTV because my wife wants HGTV. I would gladly pay for the "Binge Watch House Hunters and Fixer Upper Online On Demand" subscription if it existed.
    • I thought that was the only reason anyone had cable anymore, for the sportsing. Especially since HBONow is finally a thing.

      The sports thing is only really important to me during college football season, other than that, I don't watch it.

      But I would miss all the different cable news networks, I tend to default to them when nothing else is on, etc...

      If I could stream and get all those, I'd likely cut the cable too. Right now I'm experimenting with an indoor HDTV OTA antenna and NF/Amazon streaming to see h

      • The sports thing is only really important to me during college football season, other than that, I don't watch it.

        Ditto. That and Formula 1 as well. Those are really the only two sports I would regularly watch. When the World Cup comes around I would watch that as well.

        Aside from that, don't really care to watch any other sports. As Homer said when he was at a baseball game after he had given up drinking beer, "I never realized how boring this game is."

  • Sadly, the evolution of media distribution away from cable TV to direct streaming is going to cause growing pains like this. While I'm sure it's lucrative for them to be in everyone's "basic" package, the fact that you have to pay for channels you don't watch is exactly why cable TV is on the decline. What ESPN needs to do is to get on the ball and get with the 21st century. There's plenty of revenue stream out there for them selling a streaming service and bypassing broadcast TV altogether.
    • ESPN makes so much because of the crazy model that's currently in place. It is doubtful they could make as much money "getting on the ball", because a big part of their profits right now are customers that dont even want to be customers. In other words, lock in.
  • Cue the whiners (Score:3, Insightful)

    by John Napkintosh ( 140126 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:46PM (#49562713) Homepage

    There's about to be way too many comments about how ESPN sucks and cable companies suck and everyone sucks for not giving me what I want. There's about to be not nearly enough comments about shutting up and voting with your dollars. Guess who enables this behavior? People who pay for it. Guess who has an option? People who pay for it. Guess who was never forced to pay for it? People who pay for it.

    Aside from all that, Verizon still has to abide by the contracts. It's irrelevant how shitty the contract is for whom or what could be done which is better for consumers.

    • Re:Cue the whiners (Score:4, Insightful)

      by rogoshen1 ( 2922505 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:48PM (#49562739)

      Well dude, It looks like Verizon was trying to give people the option to vote with their wallets, and ESPN is preventing that (or trying to.)

      • nope, you can still vote with your wallet. just convince enough people to make verizon's financial burden more costly for keeping ESPN and losing you than the other way around.

        Just stop using verizon unless they drop ESPN.

        • There isn't a single cable or satellite provider that doesn't include ESPN as a part of the basic package. That's the whole point - ESPN insists that these terms be in the contract so that they can spread the costs to the myriad of people that don't watch sports.

          The other thing that torques me about Verizon is that they recently dropped the Weather Channel in favor of McWeather. Most of the time TWC is boring and repetitive, but when there is a tropical storm or snowstorm, you can get very good and usefu

          • i'm saying, just convince people to stop watching TV altogether, you've always got that option. but ESPN is betting that they can dictate these terms because, at the end of the day, the people that want it, really really want and would stop watching TV without ESPN, and the people that don't want it, don't care enough to stop watching TV over it.

          • by unitron ( 5733 )

            What are these multiple providers of which you speak?

            Where I live we have the choice of Time-Warner cable or no cable, and there's no sign of that changing in my lifetime.

    • NAILED IT!

    • Re:Cue the whiners (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:53PM (#49562805)

      In the United States, contracts are understood by the letter, so if it isn't explicitly written, then it isn't enforceable (as opposed to say high context cultures, where there's strong enforcement of "implied" language.)

      That said, it's entirely possible that Verizon's contract with ESPN is worded in such a way that they can get away with doing this. Verizon seems to think so, but ESPN seems to disagree. So that's where an impartial (theoretically) judge decides the result of how its worded, and how it will be enforced.

      • That said, it's entirely possible that Verizon's contract with ESPN is worded in such a way that they can get away with doing this. Verizon seems to think so, but ESPN seems to disagree. So that's where an impartial (theoretically) judge decides the result of how its worded, and how it will be enforced.

        Also of note is that in the end even if ESPN wins in court, Verizon still does not have to do what ESPN wants them to do. In American contract law, it is always cold hard cash that makes the harmed party "whole." The court will put a dollar value on the contract breach and award it to the plaintiff if Verizon wants out of the contract.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jedidiah ( 1196 )

      > There's about to be not nearly enough comments about shutting up and voting with your dollars.

      Why should you expect the two to be mutually exclusive?

      You're just a jerk and a corporate toadie.

    • Re:Cue the whiners (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:03PM (#49562899)

      The problem is that the only real option you have is abstaining. You don't want this behaviour? No cable TV for you. Because there's no such thing as a "channel mix" that you want. Have you ever taken a look at the average "basic mix" of channels? Nobody, absolutely nobody, on this planet would choose these channels. No matter what his interests.

      If you're not happy with this, your choice is to do without. Not only without the channels you don't want, but also the ones that you would want. Don't want Sports and Bible TV? Ok, no SciFi for you either.

      And most people would rather grin and bear it than abstain. Essentially what it means to them is that they don't get the 100+ channels promised but actually just about 10, with 90+ more that could as well not exist.

      • Abstinence from real time cable and a whole lot of missed commercials. Going on 5 years now. ~$16/month for Netflix and Hulu.

        Sure there are some shows that I have seen adverts for that look cool, but I'm not forking out a premium cable subscription for 1-2 shows a month.
      • The problem is that the only real option you have is abstaining.

        The problem here is that some people for some extremely bizarre reason think that stuff like cable television is a necessity. Because of this they think that abstaining causes them harm.

        The facts are that if you are paying $150/month for your deluxe cable package, then you must think that its actually worth it. All the bitching about the cost is a dishonesty because its not a god damned necessity you god damned imbecile.

    • by Tailhook ( 98486 )

      Verizon still has to abide by the contracts.

      And who claims they aren't, aside from ESPN? Abusing the court system to impede (otherwise legitimate) things isn't some rare phenomena one shouldn't suspect. Or Verizon may think it feasible to break the terms by having the terms found "anti-competitive," possibly on the basis of tying [wikipedia.org].

      Getting wrapped around the contract dispute axle misses the point. The point of this story is that a major access provider is finally, at long last, breaking the logjam and at least starting to move in a desirable direc

    • No, the point is you can't get cable WITHOUT ESPN's nonsense. No cable at all is not a reasonable option just because you don't want to pay for sports channels you don't give a rats ass about....

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:46PM (#49562719)

    "We simply ask that Verizon abide by the terms of our contracts."

    Translation: And force people to pay for stuff they don't want.

    Personally, I've *never* (ever) watched any of the ESPN channels and am annoyed at having to pay for them. Sure, I understand that a-la-carte programming *may* be expensive - at the moment - but I imagine business models and revenue streams will adapt as time goes on. In the mean time, Disney can kiss my shiny metal ass.

    • Translation: And force people to pay for stuff they don't want.

      Neither ESPN nor Verizon can force you to pay for things you don't want. Verizon can force you to pay the rate they set for the packages they sell, but they can't force you to buy one. And ESPN has even less control over what you buy or don't buy.

      Personally, I've *never* (ever) watched any of the ESPN channels and am annoyed at having to pay for them.

      Ok. There are channels I never watch, too.

      But keep in mind that this is a contract dispute between Verizon and ESPN. Verizon entered this contract with ESPN to be able to sell ESPN content and has made quite a bit of money by doing so. You appear to be on the

  • 30% (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Triklyn ( 2455072 )

    People realize that 111 million people tuned in for the superbowl in the US right? out of a population of 320 million? a good portion of that 1 in 3 americans loves the hell out of their cable package with sports.

    wow, go figure, slashdot is full of people who have no fondness of hand-egg ball and ball stick throw, and run run kick kick net.

    • Except that the issue here is the people who want get the football channels in football season, but don't want the baseball channels in baseball season or the football channels not in football season for that matter.

    • Super Bowl XLIX was broadcast on NBC. What was your point? That people subscribe to ESPN for the Super Bowl?

      Not. Reset. Try again.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      People realize that 111 million people tuned in for the superbowl in the US right? out of a population of 320 million? a good portion of that 1 in 3 americans loves the hell out of their cable package with sports.

      Talk about a leap of logic. There's lots of people (myself included) for whom the Super Bowl is the only football game they're interested in watching.

      To suggest that someone wants a year-round pay channel based on the viewership of a single night makes you sound like an ESPN shill.

    • Re:30% (Score:4, Informative)

      by MitchDev ( 2526834 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:20PM (#49563115)

      Superbowl was on a OTA channel, no subscription required

  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @01:57PM (#49562843)

    I know if my mother-in-law had just the Hallmark channel, the game show network and one other she'd switch providers, even it only saved her 30%.

    Alternatively, if there was a way to just get Netflix to stream random stuff in preselected genres all day I could get her off cable altogether - tens of millions of people just want the TV on all the time because they live alone, but can't stand the crap the broadcast networks have during the day and have no need for ESPN.

    • PseudoTV on XBMC (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MaizeMan ( 1076255 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:12PM (#49563037) Homepage
      I don't know if it is integrated with Netflix yet (or ever) but it address the exact use case you're describing. Picking random stuff from the set of all videos I have access to, group them logically into thematic clusters and just keep throwing content on the screen without the user having to invest any mental energy in choosing what to watch beyond "I feel like switching from the comedy channel to the science fiction drama channel."

      I've been surprised to see how many people like this method of interfacing with their video content libraries more than selecting something they'd like to watch.
  • Is ESPN somehow asserting that Verizon signed a contract requiring all of its customers receive ESPN?

    Because that sounds like a load of horseshit to me.

    This is all about broadcasters acting like their service is intrinsic to receiving cable, and that consumers should be required to subsidize their revenues.

    Fuck you, ESPN.

  • by MetalliQaZ ( 539913 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:15PM (#49563073)

    All of these companies are just going to sue themselves into oblivion. They've been raping and pillaging for so long, they don't know how to run an honest business. Too bad they are going to cause so much collateral damage on the way down.

  • Waste of money, if a customer doesn't want the Sprots package, shouldn't have to pay for it...

  • by Virtucon ( 127420 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:26PM (#49563183)

    This is another attempt at a Cable Company attempting to dictate the pricing that a content provider demands. Recently Verizon got rid of the Weather Channel. I for one applaud it because unlike a weather service, it's become a drama pump for all Comcast/NBC shit that the wouldn't put on the other channels. Especially during the evenings where instead of getting weather information you're getting "digging for rocks on mountains with pick axes" or "weather disasters that happened decades ago." Bah!

    I think this is a double-ended play by VZ, one to squeeze the content providers and two to squeeze the consumers at some future point because they channels you had now are just going to cost you more because we "unbundled it for you" just like electricity providers unbundled the power generating services from the wires into your home. Yeah, that never works out well.

  • by LVSlushdat ( 854194 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:43PM (#49563373)

    Those of us who were born without the "sports gene" would seriously LOVE to be able to get a tv package withOUT that ESPN crap.. Of course, if it didnt heavily contribute to the cost of the tv package, I wouldn't care, but since it DOES add to the package cost, it could die a gruesome death as far as I'm concerned. You GO, Verizon... Kick those ESPN lawyers in the ass....

  • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @02:43PM (#49563377) Journal

    This is one of the reasons I no longer pay for cable. What I can't get off the antenna on the roof or streaming, I do without.

    But just assuming I wanted to pay $100+ a month for TELEVISION, the thing that would grate on me more than anything else is to be paying for, subsidizing if you will, content in which I have not the slightest interest.

    In cases like MSNBC, where real viewership has dropped to the point where it no longer justifies advertising dollars, and the only thing keeping the station (and others -- I'm unfairly picking on MSNBC) is the contracts that the cable providers are locked into. The thing is, sports are (so they tell me) POPULAR, people actually *want* to watch them, will pay extra for sports packages on cable and satellite, and can be furious when a game is blacked out in their area. This is the least likely content type to care about being subsidized by the cable industry. What am I missing here?

    • SOME people like sports. All I say is that those people who do should cover the 100% of the costs of what they watch, and not get need to get a subsidy from the rest of us.

  • by swb ( 14022 ) on Monday April 27, 2015 @03:15PM (#49563689)

    Hooray for Verizon for trying to challenge the fucked up cable system. Maybe, just maybe, they see end of "cable" as a thing when anything can be streamed instead and want to stave this off by making at least kind of sane channel choices available.

    Well, kind of. I think they made a lot of this mess for themselves. I think the TV channel sources saw the cable companies successfully ratchet up the prices continuously and figured they needed to be in on that money bandwagon. Enter in all the must-carry bundles and tier requirements and all the bullshit that got us to 800 channels of nothing for $150/month (and not even HBO, damnit).

    And the cable companies didn't care because they could just pass off the costs to their customers through ever higher prices and announce "Wow! We've added even more high value content, ESPN Classic 4 -- all those great historic bocce tournaments from the 1950s".

    And both the channel providers and the cable companies got fat and sassy.

    And now everyone hates cable, hates paying $150/month for a bunch of channels they never watch and is dropping it as fast as they can.

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