'Star Wars: Episode VIII' Delayed By Seven Months (hollywoodreporter.com) 203
Mr.Intel writes with bad news for those of you champing at the bit to see the next Star Wars movie. Engadget reports: "You'll have to wait a bit longer to see what the heck is up with Luke Skywalker. Disney announced this afternoon that it's delaying Star Wars: Episode VIII from May 26, 2017 by seven months to December 15, 2017. Disney didn't give any reason for the delay, but sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that it'll allow the studio to give the film a Christmas release treatment, which worked pretty well for The Force Awakens. Additionally, it'll give director/writer Rian Johnson (Brick, Looper) more time to work on the film. THR's Borys Kit notes that may include rewrites to focus more on the new class of Star Wars characters."
The Disney treatment (Score:4, Insightful)
Because you sell more toys and other merchandise at Christmas time
Re:The Disney treatment (Score:4, Funny)
The kids love this one.
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Star Wars: The flamethrower!
The kids love this one.
Everyone loves Star Wars: The flamethrower! Adults because you can use on anything, from gopher holes to door-to-door salesmen at 8am on a Sunday. Kids, because who doesn't want to make human torches!
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Sell toys.
Delayed for opening of Star Wars land at Disney (Score:3)
That's about when those new parks open.
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They can't build a theme park in under 12 parsecs?
The Deal (Score:5, Funny)
Pray I do not alter it any further.
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Afraid of Guardians of the Galaxy 2? (Score:2)
Oh wait, no, Disney owns both titles.
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Yes, so they don't release them both at once or they will competing against each other. So let's release them far enough apart people will see both.
I know a good way to speed it up (Score:2)
Bring George Lucas in, let him come up with another funny "Jar Jar" character to make the movie even better!
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How about "Luc Luc" the half man, half Ewok, half Wookie who is always bringing up stuff that never really happened but earnestly insists that it's true.
They figured (Score:2, Insightful)
with all the money they made from the first movie, they can afford an original script.
GREED = Dark Side (Score:2)
perhaps a good thing? (Score:3)
They didn't advance the SW universe enough. (Score:2)
I was a fan of the original Star Wars, they are tremendously well done space opera movies, but their time has passed. Lightsabers, the Millenium Falcon, the stupid Storm Troopers, the death star/planet, the masked bad guy, etc all seen before. The latest movie, although suberbly executed, was not fresh at all. It was a rehash of all the things we have seen in the past.
I hope they take those 7 months and update the Star Wars Universe, at last.
You mean why Luke abandoned his friends? (Score:3)
Going totally against his entire character of the prior films? The Luke I know wouldn't turn tail and run and hide, so there better be a damn good explanation.
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There's lots of things in that movie that demanded good explanations, and we didn't get them in that movie. They made it very clear that Rey has a very interesting back story, which we know almost nothing of. If the next couple of movies don't explain a lot of things I'm going to be annoyed.
Episode 7 sucked (Score:2, Informative)
Hopefully it will give them time to make a good movie unlike that poorly directed poorly paced clusterfuck of a movie that spent all of the character development time ignoring the two new and interesting actors in favor of more overly long actions scenes and cameos with characters whose actors stopped giving a shit in 1980.
Re:Star Wars should cease (Score:5, Insightful)
Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi. Both have their purposes, and can co-exist. why do we have to choose?
Re:Star Wars should cease (Score:4, Interesting)
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi.
My phony detector always goes on when someone brings out the "space opera" bullshit. It's like saying: "Under Siege is an action movie. The English Patient is a real movie."
Guess what, one is a subset of the other, so your comparison is just phony and lame.
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No, it's not phony. Fine, say hard sci-fi rather than real sci-fi, since it may seem less snooty, but it makes the same point. Star Wars is focused on an adventure in a society with advanced technology, not so much the societal implications of a particular imagined technological advance. I'm not sure why you consider "space opera" pejorative, it's just focused more on a personal journey than on a narrative about the effect of hyperdrive on a society, for instance. I love Star Wars, but I don't think the cas
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On one hand there's a bunch of people exploring the universe, using teleportation to travel short distances and 3d printers to create food. On the other there's a bunch of people fighting with light sabers and using hyperdrive to run away from other spaceships. Both have aliens, energy shields, politics, fleets and a small band of heroes who do all the work even if there's thousands of people in their team.
Any subcategory you create to classify those two stories differently is phony.
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On one hand there's a bunch of people exploring the universe, using teleportation to travel short distances and 3d printers to create food. On the other there's a bunch of people fighting with light sabers and using hyperdrive to run away from other spaceships. Both have aliens, energy shields, politics, fleets and a small band of heroes who do all the work even if there's thousands of people in their team.
Any subcategory you create to classify those two stories differently is phony.
Yeah, cause neither holds a candle to "The Expanse", a better space opera than Star Wars and a better SciFi show than Star Trek... so there....
and... that's my cue to duck.... (evil grin)
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Yeah, cause neither holds a candle to "The Expanse", a better space opera than Star Wars and a better SciFi show than Star Trek... so there....
and... that's my cue to duck.... (evil grin)
No spoilers please! I'm waiting until there's enough episodes to go on a binge.
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Any subcategory you create to classify those two stories differently is phony.
The subcategory that separate them is:
one considers the raminfications of the technology on society as a key part of the story; as a key theme; that's hard sf.
one doesn't. the science fiction is just window dressing.
If you can replace planets with islands, star ships with boats, and light sabres with metal ones and tell the same story then its not hard sf.
The star trek episode where they've abstracted war to the point that the sims run, and people walk into suicide booths is hard SF. You can't remove the t
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And replace droids with slaves -- an issue which Star Trek (at least, pre-Abrams) would not just gloss over the way Star Wars does.
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Russian Roulette is hardly hard SF, even if you scale it up to a nation. Dice rolls and cyanide pills would come close enough for storytelling purposes.
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Disagree entirely. They have similar *settings*. Their stories share the goal of entertaining, but beyond that have entirely different purposes. Shaun of the Dead and Night of the Living Dead are both movies about a zombie plague. One is a horror comedy, the other is horror drama. "Hard sci-fi" is an extra descriptor that indicates a goal of the movie is to explore impact of X technology. It's just not something that applies to Star Wars.
probably waiting for monsoon season to end (Score:2)
I predict it's Andy Serkis.
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Yeah, but Under Siege has that chick from baywatch jump out of a cake topless.
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Yeah, but Under Siege has that chick from baywatch jump out of a cake topless.
Gary Busey?
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Space opera = future fantasy. Space magic.
There is no reason someone can't enjoy futuristic fantasy stories.
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Space opera = future fantasy. Space magic.
How is teleportation more scientific than "The Force"? Because Jedi mind tricks are not done using hardware? That's like seeing surgery (a mechanical process) as the only legitimate branch of medicine.
In recent Star Wars movies they've made an effort to explain what The Force is and why some species are not affected by it. It's not perfect but I'd say this is different from magic.
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Star Trek is more real sci-fi.
Reroute power to the splodey consoles! Can you detect anything with your Betazed woo? What? Orcs^H^H^H^HKlingons with swords off the port bow?
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My personal favorite was Picard's practice of, when the ship's sensors weren't good enough, sending Geordi to Ten Forward to look out the window.
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Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi.
*Walks away whistling to myself after casting disturbing glances at the speaker*
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You owe me a new keyboard.
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People love false dichotomies.
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Star Wars is an awful franchise. Star Trek is far superior -- better characters, better plots, more imaginative, better writing, etc... Star Wars should cease.
Star Wars is a space opera. Star Trek is more real sci-fi. Both have their purposes, and can co-exist. why do we have to choose?
Star Trek is also space opera. They just had some better writers. Not that Star Wars was all that bad, but it was the fact they had some decent actors in there (Alec Guiness, Harrison Ford) and a very compelling story.
Star Trek also had more episodes (about 800 ish from memory for all 5 series). so it's easy to get 10 episodes of pure gold from that than 7 movies. That being said, ST had no problems falling back on a bit of deus ex machina to solve problems. Things like "repolarising the deflector shield
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Joe
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Notepad++
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ed
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Stop liking what you don't like? (Score:4, Insightful)
I think the box office returns have made their statement, but thanks for your opinion, which, of course, means absolutely nothing.
I liked the new Star Wars film. My family enjoyed it very much.
I look forward to many more movies to come.
Re: Stop liking what you don't like? (Score:5, Funny)
Star wars episode 1 phantom menace broke records too!
The box office has spoken. People love Jar Jar Brinks!
Re: Stop liking what you don't like? (Score:4, Insightful)
Star wars episode 1 phantom menace broke records too!
The box office has spoken. People love Jar Jar Brinks!
I'm a Star Wars fan, always been, and I have no problem with Jar Jar Binks. There's always been a goofy/family element in Star Wars, from C3PO to the Ewoks.
I think there's value in this type of comic relief. It adds depth and texture to the story, which otherwise gets a bit stuffy and pompous like that other sci-fi franchise.
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Hatred of Jar Jar comes from a combination of things that didn't exist in the original trilogy, which is why C3PO and Ewoks were tolerated.
- The film was overall quite shitty
- Jar Jar was one of a number of overtly racist characters, although probably not the most offensive
- He had a major role in the film
- Being entirely CG, he looked fake and embodied one of the biggest problems with the prequels - overuse of CGI
- C3PO had a normal voice, Ewoks don't speak much, but Jar Jar was just irritating to hear
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https://youtu.be/KfQBdRcgizc?t... [youtu.be]
It certainly doesn't fix all the problems of the film, but it's a noticeable improvement that just highlights how awful the original was, because it coul
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Hatred of Jar Jar comes from a combination of things that didn't exist in the original trilogy, which is why C3PO and Ewoks were tolerated
I'm guessing you weren't particularly old in '83 when Return of the Jedi came out. No, adult fans were not tolerant at all of the Ewoks. Pretty much every complaint you ever heard about Jar Jar is a rehashed complaint about the Ewoks. However, we didn't really have the Internet back then as a place for fans to get together and amplify their voices, so all those complaints just sort of sat around festering and honing themselves to a nice sharp edge in Usenet newsgroups for the next 16 years until Lucas unwit
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FYI, Ewoks speak Tagalog, they are actually speaking a human language which originates in the Philippines.
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Thank you for posting this - it's good to hear someone else say it. Binks was a bit too much and I have some other things I wish were done different in the prequels, but I like them, and Binks is clearly in the tradition of Star Wars comic relief (even to the point of using lines C-3PO used in the original trilogy).
Side note: in the next room, my kids are singing a rousing chorus of Weird Al's "The Saga Begins" as I type this.
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Thank you. Fallacious reasoning getting a +4 Insightful on Slashdot is a crime.
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It's also a pretty short film after a decent editing. There was some good stuff, and a lot more ridiculous stuff.
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I didn't really like the most recent film. I came away from it thinking it was ok but that was it, certainly not something that deserved rave reviews. I thought the acting was generally terrible, the plot was surprisingly weak and poorly paced and several of the characters annoyed me from the second they came on the screen.
But I have also come to the conclusion that my tastes must completely differ from the rest of the world. I didn't like the Kylo Ren character and in particular his lame wisecracks, as
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The film was ok, they did many things right. But the fucking "Starkiller Base" practically ruined it for me. The whole thing is fucking ridiculous. Yet another superweapon, bigger and badder than the last one. Firing sun-powered laser beams through hyperspace destroying all republic worlds in one shot! Woohoo! Except this time nobody seems to gives a fuck about the billions of lives destroyed. Then its blown up by the rebels, again.
Talk about lazy, dumb ass writing.
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Firing sun-powered laser beams through hyperspace destroying all republic worlds in one shot! Woohoo!
Just as if Episode 1 2 3 did not exist? That's how i see it. They never needed the republic before, why did Lucas put it there in the first place?
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I just figured they made him a lame wanna-be Sith on purpose. Even the name/title ("Kylo" instead of "Darth") makes it seem like he's not a genuine full-fledged Sith Lord.
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I felt like I was watching a rehash of Episode IV. My friends and I have taken to calling Han Obiwan Solo.
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You go to hell and you die.
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well..
jj abrams star wars is certainly better than jj abrams star trek.
both are plot challenged though.
having luke only at the end for 4 secs was such a piece of crock though. like you need to haul the actor around doing pr work for that eh
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Alright Mr Troll, here are 2 more questions for you:
- Emacs or Vim?
- Windows or Linux or MacOS ?
(To those who modded you Informative, great work, the troll is not hungry anymore)
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Please turn in your "Nerd card" at the door. That is all
That's ok - I have a fairly cromulent "Geek Card" here anyway.
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Is this the equivalent of waving your hands and telling us that we don't need to see your identification? That these in fact are not the nerds we're looking for?
Move along.
Touché. Engage, #1.
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'Star Wars: Episode VIII' Delayed By Seven Months (engadget.com)
See that engadget.com at the end of the title, Dice has started hiding the link right there.
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But it has swords, spacey ships, little toys, and fluffy teddy bears. That has to make up for the stilted dialogue, plots for simpletons (aka space cowboys), complete disregard for science in favour of space magic, and stupefying repetition.
Are you talking about SW VII or Trek 11?
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my favorite show ever is Star Trek TSG. Picard will always be my captain.
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my favorite show ever is Star Trek TSG. Picard will always be my captain.
Star Trek: The Sexy Generation
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Painting the Enterprise pitch black would make zero difference whatsoever. It would still be perfectly visible in infrared, as would be anything with a temperature above 2.7 Kelvin. Aside from magical plot contrivances like cloaking devices, there's no such thing as camouflage in space.
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It was pretty obvious that the Enterprise-D was designed for diplomacy and exploration. Yes, it's armed, but it's not particularly well set up for combat, which is evident from the way the bridge is laid out, how the weapons systems are set up, and the overall design. Which is probably why it tended to get its ass kicked in a lot of combat situations.
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regarding shatner vs ford; what are you talking about? shatner is a vastly superior actor. he can pull off at least 5 faces. ford can do a neutral face and a stupid grin. nothing more.
but then again, i am one of those people who think SW episodes 1, 2, 3 are superior to 4, 5, 6 in almost every aspect. so maybe it is i who has a skewed view of the world.
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Uhhhh.... it's opposite day, isn't it?
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William Shatner isn't that great, but somebody like Avery Brooks, Jeffrey Combs or maybe Connor Trinneer could have made a great Han Solo.
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fluffy teddy bears
Those damn Ewoks are as bad as Tribbles in a Klingon's bed.
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aka space cowboys
See you space cowboy.
(If being a simpleton gets me more space cowboy, I'm all for it)
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browncoat scum!
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What do you see as left-wing politics in the new Star Wars? Is it left-wing to oppose a military takeover? Is it left-wing to be a competent female main character with fighting ability?
Re:story development... (Score:5, Informative)
to dick about with a 3-decade-long complex story by IGNORING THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT is just... well... disappointing.
Maybe you need a refresher about how Star Wars was created. The original stuff that George Lucas wrote was confusing, rambling and boring. It's a bunch of editors (including the guy's wife) and Brian De Palma who carved out of this confusing script the masterpiece that was the first movie.
Have a look at this book:
http://www.howstarwarsconquere... [howstarwarsconquered.com]
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Having recently rewatched the prequel trilogy and seen the new movie, I've come to the conclusion that we're wrong about George Lucas. He creates a brilliant setting and is excellent at creating stories and characters. His problem is that he's terrible at dialog and terrible at directing.
They should have let Lucas write the draft for Episode VII and then handed it off to someone else to polish up and then have JJ Abrams direct that.
Yes, that's right, the new Star Wars movie was SO BAD it made me appreciate
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There's more to a movie than flashy visuals.
Excuse-me, are you from the past?
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99% of them sucked, in every decade. Memory wipes out the bad ones and reminds you of the good ones.
Here's my top 5 of bad movies that are unforgettable, by decade.
2010: Twixt (disclaimer: that's the only one in the list I was unable to watch until the end)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
2000s: Freddy Got Fingered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
1990s: Passenger 57 (best scene ever: "Who's in charge?")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
1980s: Smokey and the Bandit part 3 (which has no Bandit in it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
1970s: Good Guys Wear Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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to dick about with a 3-decade-long complex story by IGNORING THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT is just... well... disappointing.
Maybe you need a refresher about how Star Wars was created. The original stuff that George Lucas wrote was confusing, rambling and boring. It's a bunch of editors (including the guy's wife) and Brian De Palma who carved out of this confusing script the masterpiece that was the first movie.
Have a look at this book: http://www.howstarwarsconquere... [howstarwarsconquered.com]
So if Lucas was allowed to write the script for Episode VI all on his own that could explain the 'Great Teddy Bear Luau of Endor'? Or did he just cave in to pressure from the toy companies for the film to promote the sales of furry toys as well as plastic action figures?
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Harrison Ford is getting old and doesn't need the cash like Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill
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Which lame characters? I thought they were more interesting than the characters in the original. Not that anyone watches or reads space opera when they want to see good solid complicated characters. The script and plot were more original than they may seem to you. As far as holes go, there are apparent holes that I think will be explained in the next movie or two.
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Which lame characters?
Poe didn't work for me. He seemed like an extra from Friends rather than a Wedge Antilles which I think he was supposed to be. "Oh I just happened to eject from the TIE fighter when you weren't looking" was lame.
Fin was supposed to be a disillusioned stormtrooper but despite working as a janitor, was thrown onto the front line, then couldn't handle it, yet everyone knew who he was. Then he does a pretty good job on the toughest Sith in the universe. Lame
Rey was pretty good I admit, except she was too good
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They really didn't use Poe all that much. I was expecting him to be more significant.
What Finn couldn't take was massacring innocents. He still presumably had Storm Trooper training, and could fight well.
Rey obviously has a significant backstory she isn't aware of, which the next few movies will presumably cover. In the meantime, I'm reserving judgment.
BB8 is one heck of a lot less annoying than giving C-3PO lots of screen time.
If you couldn't activate my iPhone, you couldn't read anything on it, no
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They really didn't use Poe all that much. I was expecting him to be more significant.
Same, but I didn't think he worked as a character.
What Finn couldn't take was massacring innocents. He still presumably had Storm Trooper training, and could fight well.
You learn to fight well by fighting, If this is his first battle then he shouldn't be any good at it. (at least not as good as veterans from the same school of training) And the whole janitor excuse was weak. The whole universe is covered in menial-task-performing robots, yet we're expected to believe the Empire would use specialist soldiers to clean toilets? And despite being the most junior ranked guy on the DeathStar Mk3, he knew all the technical detail
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I thought they were more interesting than the characters in the original.
And now I'll tell you what I like about Ep4 and 5.
Luke starts off as a bit no-hoper from nowhere and comes good. And he does good not by some miracle super skills, but being in the right place at the right time, and having some faith, which is believable.
R2 is simply a robot that is there because of his skills as a space ship control droid, not included into irrelevant scenes for merchandising value (as from Ep 6 onwards)
C3PO was annoying mostly, but needed to translate R2 (and having a major character
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Having watched all 7 movies this week, I've decided that the franchise really died after ESB.
RoTJ was mostly crap (Jabba's palace an Ewoks were equally as bad as Jar Jar), and the prequels need no further explanation.
Ep7 was so pathetic it's not funny. Lame characters, unoriginal script and plot, and massive holes in the story. I'll watch Ep8 when it comes out, but only because I found a new way to enjoy them, picking the shit out of their weak production.
Each franchise has good entries and bad ones. The bad ones in the Star Wars franchise overshadow the good ones. And it's not for lack of material, the people charged for doing the stories just can't wrap their heads around it. Why is it that the cartoons based on Star Wars are so much more epic than the fucking films ? ...
Because fucking George Lucas didn't have absolute power over the first couple of movies, and he only lent^H^H^H^Hsold his name to the cartoons and didn't get involved enough to fuck them up.
Disney? They're just milking it for the bucks.
But Disney makes the cartoons, at least now they do... Which I believe was the OP's point... If the cartoon writers have good stories, why can't they use them for movie ideas...
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I think it is because all the best story writers are writing cartoons or games. Seriously look at the story in the original 1999 PC Alien vs Predator game if they had made that the basis of the movie it would have been amazing.
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My theory on this is that once Star Wars blew up with the Expanded Universe, when the stories were given more room to breathe, Star Wars as a universe became more complicated and interesting and the movies since Episode I have had the worst time trying to keep up. (Whereas Star Trek was complicated and interesting to start with. I enjoyed the original trilogy as much as anyone, but complicated was something they were not.)
That's why a lot of excuses made for Episode VII have been of the "you'll have to wa
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The difference is, he came to read a discussion about Star Wars, and saw some asshole saying he'll only watch the new movie so that he can complain about it. He didn't come in here specifically to comment on what a huge douchebag you are (nor did I), but after reading that comment, it's the appropriate response to let you know what a douchebag you are. After all, there's a small chance we might help you realize why you have no friends.
That's where your attempt to project your own loser behavior onto him
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it's the appropriate response to let you know what a douchebag you are.
No the appropriate response would be ignore me, but since you have no self control, sucks to be you!!!
After all, there's a small chance we might help you realize why you have no friends.
But I have a lot of friends. Maybe you are projecting your own social deficiencies on others as a way to compensate for this?
That's where your attempt to project your own loser behavior onto him falls apart.
And I succeeded in bringing you down to my level. Ouch.
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.....Chimping on the nut? Cramping on the rag? Clamping on the bait?
Cringing at the thought.
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Champ is the correct word, people just don't know what it means anymore so they use chomp instead.
I did not know that....
Now I feel like a chump.
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