18 To 24-Year-Olds Are Hitting the Big Screen at Lower Rates (fastcompany.com) 226
An anonymous reader shares a report: For data and movie geeks, the MPAA's latest "Theatrical Market Statistics" report is a wealth of information about the health of the movie business. The big picture: 246 million people went to the movies in the United States and Canada last year, a 2% increase from the year before. But dig into the trends and things start to get a little more interesting. For instance, looking at per capita attendance broken down by age group shows 18- to 24-year-olds are hitting the big screen at lower rates than they were in 2012, although they saw an uptick last year.
18 to 24 year-olds are broke (Score:5, Insightful)
They're broke that's why.
Ticket prices keep going up with inflation, wages not so much.
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Plus you can throw the bag of popcorn away and enjoy the movie without the sickly sweet smell and rustling bag noises.
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Sure. For the same price I can watch it on a substandard screen with substandard sound on a less comfortable seat (remember movies are too expensive so imagine the shit state of my home entertainment system).
As for arseholes, maybe you're generalising, or maybe you live in a really shit neighbourhood but people who talk during a movie typically get kicked out of the cinema where I live, and I've never seen it happen because people in general aren't arseholes.
Re:18 to 24 year-olds are broke (Score:5, Insightful)
I was very young when Star Wars, but I vividly remember that it cost $2.25. Plugging the values into the Inflation Calculator [usinflatio...ulator.com], I get a value of $9.04 today. I saw Hidden Figures last month and paid $9.00 for a ticket.
Minimum wage in 1977 was $2.31 [state.ct.us], or $9.29 inflation adjusted. Minimum wage as of January 1, 2017 - $10.00 [dol.gov] Maybe movies just suck
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Nothing to see here (Score:2)
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Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Something other than re-hashed comic books perhaps...
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Perhaps if there was something worth watching...
Something other than re-hashed comic books perhaps...
Oh darling, check what's actually playing rather that getting your movie listings from the Marvel fan site.
My local cinema chain is currently offering over 60 different movies in my city and the next one over this week alone. A single one is based on a comic book, Logan, and that was a damn good movie.
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3. films.: six sequels to the fast and the furious?
Man, I just saw a poster in the subway station for a seventh sequel to The Fast and the Furious.
Re:three reasons: (Score:5, Insightful)
1. money....Exorbitant fees for tickets and concessions price most of them well outside the range of the 18-24 demographic.
And yet fueling up with a $7 mochafuckachino at the local hipster coffee shop every morning, along with a $100/month all-you-can-eat unlimited cellular plan, are well within the gotta-have-it budget for everyone in the 18-24 demographic.
Funny how that shit excuse of "money" gets confused with priorities...
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No argument on the coffee, but likely they are riding on their parent's cell plan getting that unlimited data for $10-$15 bucks a month while Daddy pays the main fee.
My parents paid for my voice-only cellphone for ten years. The catch was to call my mother every day since my older brother couldn't be bothered. Those calls weren't easy when she was drunk and bitching about my brother, and quite painful in the weeks before she died from breast cancer. After she passed away, the cellphone got transferred into my name and I only had to call my father five days a week for eight years until six weeks before he passed away from throat cancer.
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That is a high price to pay for having someone pay for your cellphone.
Family.
Are you homeless or in some other way destitute?
Nope. I was a late baby. I went off to college the same time my parents retired and moved away. Empty nest syndrome hit my mother hard.
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A large portion of the 18-24 demographic may be on their parents plan or split among multiple people lowering the average cost. And I don't think any of the major carriers charge $100 for their "unlimited" plan currently. I know I have 4 lines on Tmobile for $100 (+ taxes) and while not unlimited, with our home internet none of us go over the 3 or 3.5GB/month bucket.
18-24 years ago the previous generation also probably had a $40 phone bill, $20+ internet bill for dialup, and $40+ cable bill...all replaced b
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A large portion of the 18-24 demographic may be on their parents plan or split among multiple people lowering the average cost. And I don't think any of the major carriers charge $100 for their "unlimited" plan currently. I know I have 4 lines on Tmobile for $100 (+ taxes) and while not unlimited, with our home internet none of us go over the 3 or 3.5GB/month bucket.
18-24 years ago the previous generation also probably had a $40 phone bill, $20+ internet bill for dialup, and $40+ cable bill...all replaced by that now <$100 cell phone bill.
The plans are only cheaper now because the phones are purchased a la carte (as they should be).
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Not the OP, but I don't think that's what was meant... it was more a statement of the fact that if somebody has the money to pay $5 for a coffee or $100 a month for a cell phone plan, then they aren't foregoing the theatre because they can't afford it. Rather, they are choosing to spend money on coffee and cell phone plans instead.
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1. money. boomers spent a generation ruining any chance of a millenial or post millenials ability to buy anything more than a bus pass.
This blame-Millennials, blame-Boomers crap is counterproductive and stupid. I'm sorry you had crappy parents but mine are great. And likewise with Millennials: I know a few starry-eyed 20-somethings myself and I hope they can learn from at least a few of my own mistakes.
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Don't blame this boomer for their problems. My children are doing just fine -- good-paying jobs, nice houses, and new cars. Of course, they chose career paths and degrees that would result in good jobs, not some worthless degree that would lead nowhere. My son posts here on a regular basis. He can tell you the same thing.
Hey, that's great and resembles me and my father, however, it's just a case of selection bias. My father says things like you did but only because his company didn't outsource his department till he hit retirement age unlike the other competing companies. He has this conflicting dialogs of "only dead wood ever get laid off and real workers will have careers" along with "I was lucky my company didn't outsource or I would have had to find a new job at an old age for less money and be forced to relocate to tak
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That's because they used to be independent instead of being owned by Disney.
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I actually enjoyed the Fast and Furious sequels. They are unashamedly dumb action movies, but well made and self-aware enough to be funny and exciting.
Much more enjoyable watching them at home though.
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The new one looks awesome. The Rock wrestles a torpedo.
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Exorbitant fees for tickets and concessions price most of them well outside the range of the 18-24 demographic.
I just spent $13 to see John Wick 2 (good movie by the way). I paid $3 to upgrade to a comfort seat.
The 18-24 demographic have no problem downing $10 worth of alcohol in 20min at a pub, not to mention over priced whateverthehell that thing they serve at starbucks is (I dare not call it coffee). Ticket prices are not their concern.
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The way of the Dodo (Score:2)
With home theater systems getting cheaper and better and better every day, it's practically inevitable.
They may not fade away completely (just yet at least) but location and pricing is going to become paramount, just like books shops are now.
I mean, I still browse through the occasional book shop, but I can't remember the last time I bought a physical book. Erm, nevermind, just remembered,
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The average theater is going to not make it. However, chains like the Alamo Drafthouse are still making money hand over fist, just because they offer not just a baby-free, cellphone-free, and chatter-free experience, but decent food and suds.
Theater chains like AMC may still be around for entertaining kids or whatnot, and they will still have a spot, but their market share will definitely shrink. The days of grabbing a XL Coke and popcorn and considering that as decent food are gone.
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Regal in my area is adapting quite well aiming for the older crowd. They've changed their seating out for reclinable seats. You can order your ticket online and reserve your seat, so no fighting in line to get the best seats, just order online a week in advance and you're guaranteed your spot. The Seats are huge. https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.... [tripadvisor.com] https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.c... [yelpcdn.com]
A bit more expensive than I would like, but for the few times I go see the movies I'm okay paying ~$9.50 on a matinee ticket a
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A lot of theaters around here have changed. They aren't the old 90's movies theaters any more (yay!). They serve restaurant quality food, have the "dial-a-soda" machines so you can get your half cherry diet something half orange diet something if you want. The theaters have reclining sofa-ish leather chairs arranged in pairs. The food is brought to you in the theater, and you book your seat at the time you purchase your tickets.
This really solves most of my complaints about going to the local theater.
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Youâ(TM)re quite right about the Alamo. Ever since they opened a location in my city, itâ(TM)s the only one I goto. No babies, no phones, and ZOMG, those boozy milkshakesâ¦
Even so though; the GP is right in that thereâ(TM)s progressively less reason to goto a theater anymore. My TV and stereo are good enough⦠and Iâ(TM)ve learned to replicate enough of the boozy milkshakes⦠that it really takes a highly visual movie that makes full use of the big screen
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Too expensive and not clean (Score:5, Insightful)
The last few times that I went to the cinema, I was very disappointment with the experience.
The last thing I saw was in 3D, so I had to pay an additional 5 bucks. So, 40 bucks for two people. Then 5 bucks for the "small" 200 ounce soda and another 5 bucks for a "small" dumpster full of popcorn.
Then you sit down in the grungy seat and watch the movie. Then notice that the audio is not really calibrated all that well.
Then the movie is over and you try to pry your shoes from the soda glue all over the floor. Maybe you even use the bathroom with the pervasive urine smell and racist comments carved into the doors.
Yeah... Hard to imagine that attendance is down.
Re:Too expensive and not clean (Score:4, Insightful)
The last few times that I went to the cinema, I was very disappointment with the experience.
The last thing I saw was in 3D, so I had to pay an additional 5 bucks. So, 40 bucks for two people. Then 5 bucks for the "small" 200 ounce soda and another 5 bucks for a "small" dumpster full of popcorn.
Then you sit down in the grungy seat and watch the movie. Then notice that the audio is not really calibrated all that well.
Then the movie is over and you try to pry your shoes from the soda glue all over the floor. Maybe you even use the bathroom with the pervasive urine smell and racist comments carved into the doors.
Yeah... Hard to imagine that attendance is down.
My local theater became a Showcase de Lux with leather electronic recliner seating, etc. Yes, you pay a bit more for the ticket but the experience is completely different from the old sticky seat days on cheap night... That being said, the vast majority of movies on Bluray 4K look and sound just as good on my 65" UHD 4K TV and Denon Dobly Surround system as they do on the big screen and my fridge is a whole lot closer.
I do still go to the movies, but I'm picky about which I see on the big screen. The last was John Wick 2. The next one I will watch in the Theater is Ghost in the Shell.
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Cool story. I just saw John Wick. Perfect screen, perfect sound. Admittedly I didn't buy popcorn, so I can't comment on the price but I did pay $13 for the fancy reclining seat, though the $10 seats are quite comfrotable and clean.
Maybe you should go to a different cinema.
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Theatre? (Score:2)
Is there a new play on old chap?
Everything is moving to on-demand. 4K, 10bit HDR1000 displays at home put most cinemas to shame.
Why choose to go somewhere, sit with people playing with their phone and munching overpriced crap when you can watch it from the comfort of home with perhaps some mates?
How is the "movie theatre" better?
Cinema isnt dead, it's alive and well. Better than even in fact. It simply moved out of a theatre and into the home.
It's interesting to watch the class divide on /. (Score:5, Insightful)
Most people are posting the same 2 view points (with the 3rd probably being simply the experience sucks because reasons):
1.) Home theater systems are so much better now, mine is amazing and/or there are amazing ones available.
2.) People, especially in the 18-24 yo age group, are fucking poor and can't afford to go to the movies (most of these are ignoring the obvious, that they can't afford the home theater system either).
I'm not in either of those 2 categories (more like the 3rd, without the money or inclination for a huge home theater, apartment dweller and not rich with a deep loathing of crowds), but this seems like a poll worthy topic (no I didn't check to see if it already exists) with "Cowboy Neal is my projectionist" as a 4th?
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The 4th thing is that The Pirate Bay provides a much better experience than the cinema or Bluray, costs nothing and people don't mind waiting for that.
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Most people are posting the same 2 view points (with the 3rd probably being simply the experience sucks because reasons):
1.) Home theater systems are so much better now, mine is amazing and/or there are amazing ones available.
2.) People, especially in the 18-24 yo age group, are fucking poor and can't afford to go to the movies (most of these are ignoring the obvious, that they can't afford the home theater system either).
I'm not in either of those 2 categories (more like the 3rd, without the money or inclination for a huge home theater, apartment dweller and not rich with a deep loathing of crowds), but this seems like a poll worthy topic (no I didn't check to see if it already exists) with "Cowboy Neal is my projectionist" as a 4th?
I'm #3. I don't have a "home theater", nor do I really want one. I was "fucking poor" when I was 18-24, at least in the low part of that range, but I went to the movie a lot more than I do now when I'm not "fucking poor".
I need money (Score:4, Interesting)
To paraphrase a German comedian, I need money, not an occupation. I can keep myself busy just fine, don't worry about that.
Working is the necessary evil to get money. Just as much as the employee is the necessary evil to profit (as is the customer, by the way). Stop dancing around the subject and celebrate the "always working" idiot.
Working is the necessary evil, not the goal.
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I completely agree but I wager that America will be dead last to figure this out. I live in a midwestern red state where suffering is considered a virtue; especially if it's for work/family.
If you suggest that people ought not have to work, especially for basic survival needs, you're an evil communist/socialist/terrorist/unfavorable-ist-of-the-week.
No one (in American anyway) seems to notice the slavery to their incomes. I saw somewhere, I forget where, someone (probably foreign) pointed out the contradicti
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Who is talking about anarchism?
Not the target demographic? (Score:2)
I'm well outside the 18 to 24 demographic myself, so I may not be best placed to comment on this, but I'm not really sure how many of today's big movie releases are really targeted at that demographic.
Increasingly releases seem to be split into three categories:
1) Very Important Movies About Very Important Things (TM), also known as Oscar-bait, which is usually targeted at the middle-aged-and-older demographic.
2) Millennial/Gen-X nostalgia-fests based on comic-book franchises or reboots of old movies and th
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And 2 is about 90% of all movies. It's too much of a risk to finance original ideas. Let's remake a 20-year old movie that was only sort of good or put that established board game, video game, comic book brand on the big screen. And even for the kids' movies, more than three-quarters are a sequel or remake.
Oddly, science fiction has had a good number of original titles lately that aren't terrible - even with the mainstream audiences.
Content that you control. Very satisfying. (Score:2)
She would also watch Disney cartoon animations, she liked them and enjoyed them too. But somehow the simple black and white line drawing animation produced as much delight in her as did the rich colors and fast moving animations of the Lion
Streaming (Score:2)
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How come nobody goes to see plays anymore? It used to be a point of pride to have a stage in your community for people to put on a play.
That's so elitist. Next thing you want is civics to be taught in school.
very few new movies worth seeing (Score:2)
I blame the low-brow entirely formulaic dross that Hollywood continues to churn out.
Then need to take their CGI budget and instead spend it on script writers that are capable of original, intelligent thought.
Hip jive talkin', daddy-o! (Score:2)
Hitting the Big Screen
I don't know about you squares, but I'm always asking my best pals if they want to hit the big screen at le weekend.
The industry is stupid (Score:2)
It's an old saying that a producer's IQ was equal to his belt size. It's also an old, old aphorism that to get the IQ of a committee, you add up their belts, and divide by the number of them.
Year before last, we went to see Interstellar, in IMAX. TWENTY FREAKING DOLLARS each for the three of us. And popcorn and drinks? Another $15 or more. To go to a bloody movie.
Hell, half the population can't afford that. And it's the refreshments that pay the staff. Back in the day, the studios owned theaters, and paid t
So are good movies. (Score:2)
IMO, anyway.
it's the cord-cutters (like me) (Score:2)
I have no idea what is in theaters right now because I haven't watched a commercial for years. Like many other young people, I get my media from Netflix, Amazon, and/or Youtube.
Hollywood movies have lost their luster. Everything feels so stale, played-out, and formulaic. Hardly anyone is taking any creative chances with their stories (probably because it costs $100MM to make a Hollywood movie, so you damn well better check all the boxes).
I haven't seen a good movie in the theaters for years, and the enjoyme
Cheaper (Score:2)
They are hitting the small screen and also the bong.
In the cinema, the latter can get expensive with sweets sold at their worth in gold.
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Exactly. I bought a new car in January when I heard that production was cutting back. Now I look and I can get similar deals to what I wanted but the dealers atill have 2016 models on their lots in quantities.
Christmas was at best mediocre this year. Discount and chain stores are closing stores just as rapidly as before.
Trump supporters are telling me their is a pent up demand but the more I look the more I see contraction coming.
Now a contraction is due in general as 8 years is a good run. However a s
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Most baby boomers don't have their retirement in stocks anymore -- any decent financial manager would have converted the bulk into more stable investments long ago.
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75% of people are not directed to safe routes but to the routes that make financial planners more money. They point out that their fees are lower than competitor while not showing what there fees actually are.
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Don't confuse fee-for-advice financial planners with the crooks at full-service brokerages. You describe the later, but most people (even near retirement) don't have the wealth to attract those sharks.
Actual financial planners, or just plain old-school investment advice, has you mostly out of stocks at retirement. I can't vouch for "keep your age as a percentage in bonds", but it's very common advice.
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Most baby boomers don't have their retirement in stocks anymore -- any decent financial manager would have converted the bulk into more stable investments long ago.
Not after the Great Recession. Some seniors have 95% of their portfolio in the stock market to juice returns.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stocks-have-tripled-since-crisis-but-low-rates-are-still-squeezing-savers-1488969009 [wsj.com]
Re: It's the economy, etc. (Score:2, Interesting)
It's really odd to blame Trump for the current state of the economy. He has been in power for only 2 months. Democrats have been delaying the confirmations of his nominees for various administrative positions, too, which has limited what he had done and can do.
The current economic problems aren't because of the administration that has been in partial control for only 2 months. These are problems thst go back to the last two administrations.
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It's really odd to blame Trump for the current state of the economy.
That would be odd. It's only due to your poor reading comprehension skills that you think that I'm doing that.
He has been in power for only 2 months.
So? He has already made sweeping policy changes and more to the point, taken credit for bringing jobs back to America which are in fact not coming back to America. If he wants to take the credit, then his athletic supporters can be reminded of the fact that he has done no such thing.
Democrats have been delaying the confirmations of his nominees for various administrative positions, too, which has limited what he had done and can do.
Yeah, they've managed to delay some Russian employees from being placed in our government. Good on them.
The current economic problems aren't because of the administration that has been in partial control for only 2 months. These are problems thst go back to the last two administrations.
Trump claimed
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Re:Generation Z leans to the political right. (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't know a single gen Z that is conservative, not a single one, and I live in the middle of the red-state midwest.
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I don't know a single gen Z that is conservative, not a single one, and I live in the middle of the red-state midwest.
It's quite rare for kids to be conservative. Rarer now that schools have become progressive indoctrination facilities. People tend to become conservative around 30, once they have a job, a family, a mortgage, and generally become stakeholders in the country.
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The only reason to flip is if you have greed combined with stupidity; the right doesn't do anything for the middle-class and if you were rich you'd probably be right-wing from birth.
Re:Generation Z leans to the political right. (Score:5, Interesting)
My Presidential vote history:
Reagan, Bush, Perot, Dole, Bush, Kerry, Obama, Obama, (Sanders) well, fine. Clinton. Since I have no choice. Dammit. At least its not Trump.
Your affiliation may change as you learn more. Which way it goes depends on how you feel about what you learned. Conservatives used to be about being fiscal conservatives and small government, hands off on the rest. Now they are about social conservative and HUGE government. They say small government, but their vote history is always HUUUUUUGE military and corporate control and the rest gutted to make the military even more HUUUUGE and corporate control more profitable. Fuck that, I am no fascist. Time to reign this runaway horse back toward the middle, and maybe a little left of there.
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Re:Generation Z leans to the political right. (Score:5, Interesting)
Not the original poster, but social justice warrior is someone who takes a look at something and defines it in terms of social injustice, almost always without looking at it very deeply, and feels the compulsion to fix that injustice no matter the cost.
For example:
A company has 5 entry level workers, we'll call them A,B,C,D,and E. A (male with 10 years experience, and the best worker) gets paid $15/hr, B and C (one male one female each with 8 years experience) $14 and hour, D (3 years experience) is paid $13 and hour, and E (15 years experience, but mentally retarded) is paid $10 an hour. The SJW boss comes in and "fixes" the social injustice (C was female and should be paid equal pay, D was discriminated by age or whatever the latest fad is, E should be paid just as much because they have the same job regardless of productivity) by taking the average $13.20. Feeling awesome at fixing this social injustice he goes and celebrates. 2 weeks later, employee A leaves the company because a competitor gave him a raise to $20 an hour as he was been grossly underpaid given his skills. A couple weeks after being overworked, employees B & C leave the company because they can't keep up with the workload now that A has left, and they can't perform at the level he was. The company is now left with one employee who is just out of college has no industry experience and continues to make mistakes that A, B, or C never would have. The company while trying to find replacements for A, B and C can't find any except new college graduates. Product quality suffers, quantity production is in the toilet, and a month later the company goes bankrupt. Employee D loaded with college debt, takes the first job he finds at $12 an hour, and Employee E is out of work, back on social programs, and lives the life as a hermit in their 10'x10' apartment.
SJW moves on to the next company, touting how awesome of a job he did at his previous employer right before they went out of business.
Right, wrong, or indifferent, that is what a SJW is -- looking for social injustices, finding them where they don't really exist, and fighting to get the fixed, no matter the cost or if they should be.
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From what I know about Rightists and Alt-Rightists this is their view on Social Justice and SJW:
"Social Justice" is a set of petty, morally bankrupt and often contradictory ideas presented as a justice that all people should follow and believe. Like giving certain groups of people more rights than others for the sake of correcting discrimination, in their view that is unfair and just another form of discrimination.
"Social Justice Warrior" is a person indoctrinated by this ideology and who fights to spread i
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If you think Harry Potter didn't make much profits, then you clearly have not even tried to look at the data. At all. Just, wow.
That series has profited $6.5 Billion. Profited. Not grossed. Net.
And that is just from box office sales. Video releases and merchandising profited another $25 Billion. Profit. Not gross. Net.
Hell, you could not be more wrong if you tried, with that example.
Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone
Budget: $125 million
Because Justice is in the eye of the beholder (Score:2)
People tend to be very excited to sign on to "justice" causes, until it effects them personally. For example, a
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how about try to fucking make them entertaining first, and THEN worry about propagandizing (or in less overt terms, having a 'message')?
Re:Generation Z leans to the political right. (Score:4, Interesting)
> I would also like you to explain to me what a "Social Justice Warrior" is
Replace the words with:
Stupid
Juvenile
Whiner
and you'll start to understand it what it means.
SJW is (typically) a dumb Gen Z with a pet peeve over some perceived bullshit "injustice" -- basically anything that doesn't agree with THEIR myopic philosophy. Now instead of actually _doing_ something AFTER careful analysis of BOTH sides of the issue, because issues are almost never black and white, they would rather have a knee-jerk reaction and whine about it instead.
For more information see the book:
SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police [amazon.com]
There is no reasoning with these irrational people. They believe their POV (point-of-view) is the ONLY right one and blindly ignore facts. The classic attack is the ad hominem using labels as misogynist, trigger, microagression, etc. They are so insecure with their immaturity that they have to attack everyone else who doesn't agree with them. It is the ultimate Political Censorship gone wrong.
South Park poked fun of their stupidity in Season 19 by calling them Pussy Crushers
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The only valid tactic is to ignore these whiney cunts -- because they make the classic Internet Trolls look like Saints in comparison -- otherwise you are just wasting your time.
You can fix ignorant.
You can't fix Stupid (Juvenile Whiners.)
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Re: Generation Z leans to the political right. (Score:2)
Are you Chinese?
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Gen
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False.
You don't have to be a Hillary fan to hate Trump. I hate them both (there's not really much point in hating on Hillary though).
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As a moderate conservative and a NEVER TRUMP supporter, I want stop complaining about Trump. He's neither a conservative nor Republican, and, until a few short years ago, a Clinton Democrat.
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, I want stop complaining about Trump. He's neither a conservative nor Republican,
He's not establishment conservative nor Republican. He's very much channeling the political will of the American working class, plus those of us fed up with the corruptness and political theater of the "establishment-media complex".
Establishment Republicans, Democrats, and the old-school media (but I repeat myself) are all utterly dismissive of a very large chunk of voters in this democracy, talking down to them, calling them ignorant and racist, and in general saying "let them eat cake". A sentiment freq
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AKA Fascist
That's where Trump is taking America.
Re:It's the economy, etc. (Score:4, Informative)
Your vehicle numbers are way off.
A 2017 Ram 1500 base truck is about $26,500 MSRP, which probably means it can be had for $25,000 at the dealer if buying off the lot. If you want the base as a 4x4 it's about $31,500 MSRP, which can probably still be had for under $30,000 out the door.
A Ram Promaster 1500 (based on the large Fiat van chassis) is around $30,000 MSRP. The 2500 model is $33,000 MSRP and the 3500 is about $36,000 MSRP, all as cargo configurations. The passenger variants, only availabe as a 2500 chassis and a 3500 chassis are $34,500 MSRP and $38,500 MSRP respectively, and given that there are a lot more parts on the passenger versions this $1500-$2500 markup isn't unreasonable.
Now, if you want the Laramie package, or you want all leather, or you want the megacab with the 8' bed and the Longhorn custom interior with the Katzin seats, yeah, you're going to be spending quite a bit more. Thing is, you don't really need that stuff. You might need a stronger engine in the base model truck, but those modern V6 engines that all three domestic automakers use are quite good, better than their entry-level V8s were only a generation ago. You probably don't need that upgraded configuration.
If your numbers are coming in $60,000 for a cargo van and $45,000 for a pickup truck, it's because of standards that you set.
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A 2017 Ram 1500 base truck is about $26,500 MSRP,
Have you driven the Ram? There's a reason why it's the least popular truck.
A Ram Promaster 1500 (based on the large Fiat van chassis) is around $30,000 MSRP.
It is a complete fucking shitpile. Every review of every model of Fiat Ducato (by any name) shows that it is underpowered, handles like dogshit, and is the least reliable vehicle in the segment.
FCA is circling the toilet bowl for a reason. Expect them to get bought out by VW within the next five years, because VW is going to need a new partner.
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WTF? VW Crafter cool? ROFLMAO!
I suggest you stop trying to fit the average person into a high-end pickup truck and something more like what people in any other (sane) country drives. You get get good cars for under $20k with some really really nice features.
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Kids have no money and are too stupid to realize why they still work at Starbucks with a college degree.
If they're working at Starbucks and have a college degree, you can't them kids. They're adults. Not every adult gets hired straight out of college. I worked as a kitchen cook for three years after I got my college degree and before I started my technical career in 1997.
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4- long movies.
Seeing a movie is part of a night out with friends/family/date, it shouldn't be the entire night.
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