Star Wars' Han Solo Spinoff Directors Quit In the Middle of Shooting (theverge.com) 160
hondo77 writes: Due to "different creative visions," Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are no longer directing the Han Solo movie, despite filming having started in January. The film is still scheduled to be released in May 2018. "Phil Lord and Christopher Miller are talented filmmakers who have assembled an incredible cast and crew, but it's become clear that we had different creative visions on this film, and we've decided to part ways. A new director will be announced soon," Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm, said in a statement. The Han Solo spinoff is set to star Alden Ehrenreich as a young Han Solo, with Woody Harrelson as his mentor, Donald Glover as a young Lando Calrissian, and unspecified roles for Emilia Clarke and Thandia Newton.
Not a good sign (Score:5, Interesting)
Wasn't a fan of the force awakens (ending on what was basically a third death star run ruined the movie for me. Sure it's better than 1-3 but that should never, ever be a benchmark for Star Wars.). Sure, Rogue One managed to have an original ending and it was a movie I even enjoyed but given the recent history of Star Wars movies I don't have high hopes at all for the Han movie given this move.
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Well I kind of (dis)agree.
I agree that the force awakens was not a great movie. And that Rogue One was better, but only marginally.
I disagree on the Rogue One ending though. Once it occured to me that they were really going to make the end of Rogue One match the start of A New Hope to the letter the end became much less interesting. Halfway through the end scene it was clear that all involved were doomed. Of course the transmissing HAD to happen. But Darth Vader HAD to find out. The two main characters HAD
Predictable can be fine - sometimes (Score:5, Interesting)
I disagree on the Rogue One ending though. Once it occured to me that they were really going to make the end of Rogue One match the start of A New Hope to the letter the end became much less interesting. Halfway through the end scene it was clear that all involved were doomed. Of course the transmissing HAD to happen. But Darth Vader HAD to find out. The two main characters HAD to die etc. Not very interesting.
Knowing where a movie is going ahead of time does not by itself make it less interesting. In virtually all superhero movies you know the main character is going to live and the ending will probably be a happy one. Most of the time the story is rather predictable too. Doesn't make it uninteresting as long as they make the journey getting there fun. To use the classic example, we all knew the Titanic was going to sink before anyone walked into a theater.
I was really hopefull afther The Force Awakens, since it was for me a great 'setting the scene' movie.
I suppose they had to get back to baseline after the prequels. Really it was just a reboot and the movie was for all practical purposes nearly a scene for scene remake/update of A New Hope. It was done well enough but this was ground that Star Wars has covered several times now which was disappointing to me at least. Predictable doesn't need to mean identical. The Force Awakens was something of a love letter to A New Hope and that's fine but I have to admit I wasn't expecting a remake.
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Knowing where a movie is going ahead of time does not by itself make it less interesting. In virtually all superhero movies you know the main character is going to live and the ending will probably be a happy one. Most of the time the story is rather predictable too. Doesn't make it uninteresting as long as they make the journey getting there fun.
I don't think "superhero" movies are a good example. They're the epitome of high-budget junk with no original plot or quality of story. - just action.
They sell well to kids wanting to watch their favourite marketing device, but you'll find very few superhero films on any critics "must watch" top films.
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I don't think "superhero" movies are a good example. They're the epitome of high-budget junk with no original plot or quality of story. - just action.
What do you think Star Wars is if it isn't a super hero movie? Jedi are nearly the epitome of super heroes. Furthermore I completely disagree that super hero movies inherently lack original plots or good stories. Sturgeon's law [wikipedia.org] applies to any genre of movie you care to mention. Some of the stories that are coming out of the comic books these days are absolutely awesome stories and only a narrow minded snob would think otherwise. You could argue that the story could have been realized better but the stories themselves are often great.
They sell well to kids wanting to watch their favourite marketing device, but you'll find very few superhero films on any critics "must watch" top films.
I can name quite a few superhero movies that are must see cultural touch stones. Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are two of them.
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What do you think Star Wars is if it isn't a super hero movie?
Yeah, and there hasn't been a good Star Wars film made in the last 30 years either.
There is nothing to say a superhero movie can't be good. It's just that in the modern era of film, that's not going to happen because studios want a guaranteed return on their productions and so every high budget film has to follow a predictable formula with a specified number of highs and lows- and at what part of the film they have to occur, etc.
Back in the 70's and early 80's films could have more flexibility, and so big
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To use the classic example, we all knew the Titanic was going to sink before anyone walked into a theater.
OMG I hated Titanic. The scrappy underclass dude is surrounded by dead people in lifejackets, and is all like "Nah, I'm just going to die right here." Criminy, make a raft, dude!
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Point is: they could have dealt with it much more creatively.
Why did everyone in the movie have to die? Is it a problem that they would survive but not appear in A New Hope?
Why did Darth Vader have to be on the scene? Would it not be more logical that once the transmission was detected DV would be called to intercept?
The big clash between the 2 fleets (described as 'the first victory' in the introductory text of A New Hope') did not have to happen at the same time as the transmissing thing.
So, that is why I
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If by " it had traits in common with the other OT movies" you mean it was almost a complete copy then yes, I agree.
Ending on on a Death Star run a third fucking time in inexcusable. I would have enjoyed all of the tribute moments from the rest of the movie if they only had an original ending.
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Halfway through the end scene it was clear that all involved were doomed. Of course the transmissing HAD to happen. But Darth Vader HAD to find out. The two main characters HAD to die etc. Not very interesting
I felt the same way about Hamlet.
Re:Not a good sign (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not a big fan of The Force Awakens as a movie, and I definitely think the directing/acting in episodes 1 thru 3 was terrible (save for Anakin's mother). However, my kids love episode 1 with young Anakin and Jar-Jar, and my daughter loves episode 7 with a new female hero. She's watched the entire clone wars animated series, and what I particularly like about the whole Star Wars franchise is that it has this very childish quality to get kids interested, but there's a lot of hooks into real life history and politics. It's a good starting point for many discussions.
For instance, there's this whole Clone Wars arc about Mandalore being a (mostly) pacifist society who stayed neutral in the war. At other points they're dealing with refugees from the war. When I was a kid I found out that storm troopers were a real thing in Nazi Germany, and that prompted me to go and learn more about it. Of course there's the whole idea that Palpatine created a climate of fear in the Republic so he could convince the senate to grant him emergency powers, which he then uses to turn the government into a dictatorship. Padme's line, "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause" is chilling. The fact that these important ideas are discussed in a kids' movie is a really great tool for me, as a parent, to start interesting discussions with my kids.
I also like how it introduces this (mostly Eastern) idea that you need to be mindful of your feelings and not let them control you. I find modern thinking, and I hate to say this, but particularly from women, is that you should embrace your feelings and let them control you. This idea that somehow whatever your feelings make you do is good because emotion = good is just opposite of my experience in general. I want my kids to be self-aware. Notice when you're angry. Accept it but don't let it control you, or you'll regret it later.
As a father, I really get the idea that Lucas created Star Wars for his kids, and I can excuse most of the flaws because as much as those of us who grew up with episodes 4 thru 6 hate on the prequels, kids really do like them.
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Hate is a powerful tool. Especially if felt by others.
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my kids love episode 1 with young Anakin and Jar-Jar, and my daughter loves episode 7 with a new female hero.
What does their dad think of Star Wars Underworld?
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I find modern thinking, and I hate to say this, but particularly from women, is that you should embrace your feelings and let them control you.
That's not quite right. The idea is that you should express your feelings in order to process them. The main difference between Eastern and Western philosophies here is that in the East you do the processing internally, in the West you do it with your friends or on daytime TV.
Re:Not a good sign (Score:5, Insightful)
I find modern thinking, and I hate to say this, but particularly from women, is that you should embrace your feelings and let them control you.
That's not quite right. The idea is that you should express your feelings in order to process them. The main difference between Eastern and Western philosophies here is that in the East you do the processing internally, in the West you do it with your friends or on daytime TV.
Yes, and in Star Wars you grab your light sabre and mow down a village of sand people or a room full of younglings. :) Your phrasing of the idea is more correct than mine, but I don't buy the logic that if you don't express it, then you can't process it. I think you can be aware of your feelings and "process" them without telling them to someone else. It's called mindfulness. I see a lot of people expressing their feelings all over facebook, and I'm not sure they're better off for it. Telling a friend about your feelings who then goes and tells someone else is unfortunately common, as is someone reading someone else's diary. I see some colleagues expressing their feelings over email in a very inappropriate manner. I think people who can learn to avoid inappropriate expression of their feelings do better as adults. Expressing your feelings often results in giving someone else something to use against you later.
Encouraging people to express their emotions is sometimes a way of encouraging them to share weaknesses with you. My wife is a big proponent of "expressing to process" but then I overheard a discussion she had with a friend. The friend said that she'd been talking to a man, that he'd gotten very emotional and started tearing up, and then she'd felt very uncomfortable, and then both women agreed it just wasn't socially acceptable for men to do that. That it was "really weird." So here's a person who watched a man express his emotion, and then related that story to another woman in a way that made him seem weak. Wasn't he supposed to express his emotion so he could process it? What if he'd expressed an even more socially inappropriate emotion like anger or lust? Would someone record video of it now and stream it live to shame them? That's why I don't buy it.
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I don't buy the logic that if you don't express it, then you can't process it.
I completely agree with that. All I would add is that it can be helpful to talk about stuff, especially with professionals. But you don't have to share everything on Facebook.
The friend said that she'd been talking to a man, that he'd gotten very emotional and started tearing up, and then she'd felt very uncomfortable, and then both women agreed it just wasn't socially acceptable for men to do that. That it was "really weird." So here's a person who watched a man express his emotion, and then related that story to another woman in a way that made him seem weak.
That kind of thing is why I'm a feminist. Patriarchy and toxic masculinity.
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The friend said that she'd been talking to a man, that he'd gotten very emotional and started tearing up, and then she'd felt very uncomfortable, and then both women agreed it just wasn't socially acceptable for men to do that. That it was "really weird." So here's a person who watched a man express his emotion, and then related that story to another woman in a way that made him seem weak.
That kind of thing is why I'm a feminist. Patriarchy and toxic masculinity.
That's not "Patriarchy" or "toxic masculinity" or any other phrases you want to recite. The word you're looking for is "hypocrisy." The poster's wife expressed a belief that all people should act a specific way, and then when her friend related a tale of someone acting in that exact way, (who happened to be male), agreed with her friend who was criticizing the person for acting that way.
Whether society as a whole espouses the same or
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You have to actually read the links given. You are super confused. You seem to think that "toxic masculinity" means blaming men. It doesn't. Toxic masculinity isn't men. It's the thing that is done *to* men.
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That kind of thing is why I'm a feminist. Patriarchy and toxic masculinity.
I think you're right. It is an example of toxic masculinity, as defined. Ironically the term "toxic masculinity" is an example of itself. It implies that there's something different and negative about typical traits associated with males. For that matter, so is "feminism" since that implies equality (which is good) is feminine. Nobody's going to agree as long as we use loaded terms like that.
Putting all that aside, I intended that case as an example of hypocrisy. I prefer "be how you want to be, but d
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I think trying to make inferences based on just the name of the thing is a bit silly... It's called feminism for historical reasons, it doesn't imply anything.
And as for toxic masculinity... Yeah, some traits commonly associated with males are toxic, that's well understood.
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Thanks, that's a good way of phrasing it.
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And as for toxic masculinity... Yeah, some traits commonly associated with males are toxic, that's well understood.
I just don't get that, or maybe I'm not familiar with these toxic things that "they" commonly associate with males. I'm a male. I spend pretty much all my time trying to do stuff that I believe is productive: go to work, do something useful to get paid, try to provide an enriching and educational upbringing for my kids, along with a safe, healthy and happy home environment, including trying to set an example of a strong but balanced work ethic. When I'm home I'm fixing stuff around the house, loading and
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We were just talking about how guys taking and their feelings was considered weak. The idea that men should always be stoic and never show weakness is an example of toxic ideas about masculinity.
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The Force Awakens as a movie, and I definitely think the directing/acting in episodes 1 thru 3 was terrible (save for Anakin's mother).
Palpatine was solid too, he took his role seriously.
I would also argue that Jar Jar Binks did a great job in the third movie, based on the horror that the entire audience felt upon his appearance. Not easy getting an emotional reaction like that. Dexter Jettster did a good job, and a few other characters were good as well.
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Not to be rude but kids like all sorts of garbage. What's impressive about the original trilogy is that it didn't have to depend on gimmicky kid crap like jar-jar to be big with kids which is exactly why the originals are big with adults both when they were released and now.
Most kids movies are garbage they will forget by the time they grow up. The ones they'll really remember are the ones they watch again in adulthood and still enjoy.
Re:Not a good sign (Score:5, Interesting)
Normally for a hit movie with staying power you need a good plot and characters you can relate with.
Ep. 1,2,3 had neither it was all special effects
Ep. 4,5,6 had ok plots but lovable characters
Ep. 7, 3.75 had humdrum plots, and relatable characters
The new Star Wars movies are fine. But not exceptional as they one were, but still better than the prequels
I think the problem is they are trying to fill gaps in the story that we had filled in our imagination. As a kid I always saw the move to Darth Vader as a slow tragic fall from an older wiser person who was a real hero however as age sets in he makes compromises for the greater good, until it took him too far. Not teenage angst.
Re:Not a good sign (Score:5, Insightful)
Anakin's turn the dark side has to be one of the worst bits of character development in cinematic history. He goes from good guy to murdering kids in the space of a few minutes... In order to save his own wife and child. Even if they had a competent actor, the way it was written was impossible to pull off.
Re:Not a good sign (Score:4, Interesting)
George Lucas did a shoddy job alright, but the expanded Universe does eventually make it all a bit less terrible because if you think of Anakin Skywalker as a young soldier forced into years of war and suffering from PTSD it begins to make more sense.
It's a shame Lucas wasted 3 films telling us about the childhood and early life of Anakin Skywalker when what we really wanted was his fall and turning into Darth Vader.
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If you want to watch a movie about Anakin turning into Darth Vader, you should watch "Chronicle" it is gimmicky and isn't star wars, but the story is a believable character progression from innocent kid, to accidental inhuman super being. It is 10 times better to pretend this is the prequel.
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I did enjoy Chronicle.
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. He goes from good guy
He wasn't a good guy. He was barely holding it together, cut off from parental ties that would have kept him well grounded and unable to bond with his new community.
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Honestly, I don't know if it's because I'm an adult now, or the quality of the films have gone down. The first three films (Ep IV- VI) were fantastic to me as a kid. Everything since has ranged from awful to "decent".
One of the prequels (I don't remember which now) was actually ok. Rogue One was decent, just nothing amazing, it would probably have been better if NOT in the Star Wars universe, just a standalone movie with a similar plot. Force Awakens was very blah.
Star Wars just seems very stale to me n
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Yeah, as soon as I heard there would be yet another superweapon, even bigger and badder than the ones before, I knew the film was going to be shit.
Original cast was also a sign they were going for fan service instead of actually making a good movie that stands on its own merits.
The introduction of Luke Skywalker in the end... like some senile old guy that has gotten lost in the mountains, such a let down.
I seriously hate JJ Abrams now. Such a unique opportunity to make a great, real sequel, and we get such
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Wasn't a fan of the force awakens (ending on what was basically a third death star run ruined the movie for me.)
I remember the first time I saw the first Star Wars movie. One of the biggest moment was when Tarkin threatened Leia to destroy Alderaan if she didn't reveal the rebel base location. Eveyone was holding their breath as Leia struggled to decide. I remember well the loud reaction of everyone when Tarkin still ordered the destruction of the planet.
But in The Force Awakens, when the Starkiller Base destroyed like half a dozen planet everyone was like "meh".
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I couldn't agree more. I didn't care a bit about the Republic's capital in Force Awakens getting blown up but blowing up Alderaan feels like diabolical evil in the original.
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Rogue One was the most boring, dragging Star Wars out of all of them. I seriously considered just turning it off about half-way through and the rest of my family didn't care either way. That doesn't bode well for following movies, IMO.
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I can't agree with that at all. There's just no way it's worse then any of the prequels. I really believe that if you think so then you should stick to Michael Bay movies.
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The hell does Michael Bay have to do with anything? What, Rogue One wasn't chock full of explosions, laser battles, and special effects?? A Michael Bay movie was just what it was most like: shallow characters, thin story, predictability, creepy CGI, plodding plot, and lots of fights and explosions.
Not that the prequels were much better, but they didn't drag out so badly. Maybe you're too young to remember when movies were actually good.
Re:Both Lucas and Disney fucked it up: (Score:5, Interesting)
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Thrawn is officially canon again thanks to Rebels, here's hoping he makes it into the films.
Fuck, put him in suspended animation (on Outbound Flight or whatever) for 50 years, and have him come back to take command of the First Order.
I can dream, right?
Re:Both Lucas and Disney fucked it up: (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, but that shit is actually owned by them. And yes, it sucks to invest your time into learning the lore of something only to see it thrown away by the next bozo coming in and saying "don't like that, let's do something completely different!" and does "all wrong".
The lesson to learn here is simple: Don't invest into something that isn't yours. Hard to do, I admit, but in the end, every moment spent learning about a universe you cannot make your own if you are fed up with the official one is a wasted one.
And yes, I'm fully aware that these hardcore fans that spent time and money to learn about the world, to amass amounts of merchandise, to recreate their favorite characters, create faithful costumes and so on, those are the ones that kept the franchise alive while their owners were pretty much abandoning them, milking them for all they're worth all the while and living off those fans that keep it alive and vibrant, drawing in new potential fans. I'm fully aware of that.
But studios will never learn if they don't learn the hard way. So yes, let them keep it, let them use it as they see fit and stop investing your time, money and energy into it. Wait until a studio learns that those things are not given freely but have to be earned.
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Yes. Of course that is a huge part of it. Nerd-cred, knowing more about some show that some other nerd, is a pretty big issue here. Who doesn't want to be the wise sage for something his circle of friends considers relevant?
And before you belittle and patronize those that do, don't try to tell me you don't have some kind of pet topic that you try to know more about than anyone else, even though it's neither marketable nor will ever make you a dime, simply because it makes you look knowledgeable? It's the sa
Um.. isn't the investment of time it's own reward? (Score:3)
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But that's exactly what happens. People have a concept of certain characters, later movies change what they're like and people feel hurt by it.
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Hard to do when you can't get the movies in the way you liked them anymore, isn't it?
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Or, ya know, just forget about it and do something else.
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What is my point with all this? That it is really time for people to band together on creating non-commercially owned replacements for these universes.
. . . that's what String Theory is all about . . .
Re:Both Lucas and Disney fucked it up: (Score:5, Funny)
I'd definitely watch GNU Wars. The evil Darth Vim getting his ass kicked by the furry little Emacs, Richard Starman and his GNU mind tricks...
and they are going to rape Indy in Indiana Jones 5 (Score:2)
and they are going to rape Indy in Indiana Jones 5.
The reward for this is that the mouse get's an other copyright extension.
south park knows the mouse is doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Should have shot first. (Score:5, Funny)
Star Wars' Han Solo spinoff directors quit in the middle of shooting
They should have shot first, and then quit.
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and then quit.
Or alter the deal?
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Star Trek TMP did it in 1979, and only because the cast was intentionally diverse back in 1966. Unheard of at the time, but it was completely intentional to have b
Han shot first! (Score:2, Informative)
FU, Lucas. You are the personification of the Peter Principle.
Enough with backstories. (Score:5, Interesting)
Although I think they should let Star Wars universe die (As well as the Star Trek Universe) as they are a fictional universe of a different age and the new storylines are hacked into the universe rules.
But if they are going to continue they should just move forward. The backstory will only lead us to conflict with our preconceived notions of the person. Han Solo for me while had some adventures before they were mostly just petty crimes and doing the odd jobs, getting involved with some bad people and trying to get money.
Now this could be an interesting story, but let's do it with an other person someone we don't know and watch them evolve. Not someone that we can observe like looking in the old photo album.
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Now this could be an interesting story, but let's do it with an other person someone we don't know...
Like Star Lord?
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the Disney Empire Strikes Back (Score:3)
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Yes, my Lord Mouse.
Creative differences (Score:5, Interesting)
Rumors being reported suggest their attempt to interject revisionism [hollywoodreporter.com] into the Solo character were not appreciated by Lawrence Kasdan.
Kasdan is the screenwriter behind The Empire Strike Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and this movie (with his son, Jon).
Woody Harrelson (Score:3)
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And the first season of True Detectives.
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Quit or fired? (Score:3)
This article claims they were fired: The Hollywood Reporter [hollywoodreporter.com]
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Emperor Palpatine (Score:2)
I wonder if it was anything like this... (Score:4, Interesting)
Mark Hamill apparently completely disagreed [slashfilm.com] with how Luke Skywalker was written in The Last Jedi. Seems to me that a lot of the newer chefs in the kitchen think they can improve the original, actually universally loved, characters and stories. I wonder if that was at play here.
If you want to tell a Star Wars story that really diverges from the past, that's totally fine. Get the studios to actually give you a semi-blank canvas that is set in that universe. Everyone will be better off for it.
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But then I have to establish a new set of characters and make them likable and believable, this is hard, ya know? Nah, let's just toss in all the old heroes that everyone already loves and cares about, that way I needn't invest anything into this and can fully concentrate on my VISION.
You know, the one where I butcher those characters into MY fanboy imagination of how they should have been in the first place. I always thought Han was way too rough and should show his sensitive side, and Darth Vader shouldn'
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Too bad they won't let him decide on his character.
It's not necessarily bad news (Score:5, Interesting)
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So by all accounts a failure, right?
When Recycling goes Too Far (Score:5, Funny)
Spinoff Directors Quit In the Middle of Shooting
I can only hope the difference in creative vision went something like this:
"You know what, fuck this sequel/prequel/spinoff bullshit. I've had enough of it. Every damn thing coming out these days is nothing more than a shitty recycle of an older movie that tries to justify itself with a half billion dollars worth of 21st century special effects, or the 17th movie in a drawn-out storyline that should have died long ago. Give me an original storyline with a new concept for once."
Here's your 2023 summer movie lineup to prove a point:
Resident Evil: Gotta Catch 'Em All, Part 2
Fast and Furious: Lunar Drift
Pirates of the Caribbean: Hanna Montana's Revenge
Transformers: Rise of the Transgender
Star Trek: Teen Spock and the Vulcanettes
Sharknado Mayhem 4D: Movie Theater Wetsuit Edition.
Re:When Recycling goes Too Far (Score:5, Funny)
Somewhere in Hollywood, at this very second, someone is looking at your list and saying "You know, that one might work".
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Somewhere in Hollywood, at this very second, someone is looking at your list and saying "You know, that one might work".
The amount of recycling in Hollywood tends to validate the consumer quality standard, so there's little doubt half my list will come to fruition.
Shit can in fact still make money.
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Nearly everything copies from a few of Shakespeare's plays - and even they were derivitive.
The trend hasn't slowed down for 400 years, so I doubt things will change.
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As long as people keep buying tickets, the formula will be followed.
Tends to say a lot about people...
Jabba the Hutt's cousin... (Score:2)
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My god, how dumb are you.
Not as dumb as you.
He died when he ate himself to death because he was trapped in his limo.
The new movie takes place before that happen, featuring a younger Pizza the Hut with fresh toppings.
Time to call in ... (Score:2)
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I don't know if Young Indiana Jones was actually a disaster ... but it is interesting that one of the reported problems during production was that they kept changing directors every episode, and none of them had the same ideas about how the show should be made.
Tell Disney i have his money (Score:2)
Star Whores (Score:2)
I didn't even know a Han Solo spinoff was coming next year.
But I did know that something was coming next year, because this year we're getting Episode VIII, and Disney is whoring Star Wars out for annual films, whether anyone wants them or not.
The fact that the directors have quit implies that we've got another unnecessary, unoriginal turd on our hands.
I'm hoping that Episode VIII falls well short of the box office watermark that Episode VII set. Disney needs a hard reality check. For my part, I won't be
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In proper Han Solo tradition (Score:2)
Well, at least they shot first.
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I would assume that these guys wound up with only a fraction of the money they could have made. I suspect at the directorial level they have a cut of the gross, or at least before some expenses. Regardless, I'm sure they walked away from a pretty big payday.
Who knows what actually happened, but regardless of the money I'm sure they quit at the point where it would be most painful for the people they work for.
I'm sure there's some backbiting that results from this and some favors will be called in to try t