'Star Trek: Discovery' Premieres Tonight (ew.com) 456
An anonymous reader quotes EW.com:
Tonight CBS will premiere the first new Star Trek TV series in 12 years at 8:30 p.m. on the company's regular broadcast network. Immediately afterward, the second episode of Star Trek: Discovery will stream exclusively on CBS All Access -- the company's $6 per month streaming service... CBS saw an opportunity to leverage the built-in popularity of Star Trek to help fuel its fledgling All Access streaming service. The service currently has about 1 million subscribers and the company's goal is to grow it to 4 million by 2020...
But once fans watch Discovery, they'll notice the show's production values aren't like a typical broadcast show, but more reminiscent of a premium cable or streaming show. CBS was able to justify spending a bit more money on Discovery since it's going onto the paid tier. Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
The Los Angeles Times reports each episode costs $8 million -- though Netflix is paying $6 million for each episode's international broadcast rights. The show's main title sequence has been released, and the Verge reports that the show is set before the original 1966 series (but after Star Trek: Enterprise) along with some other possible spoilers.
Space.com asked one of the show's actors who his favorite Star Trek captain was. "I mean, Kirk," answered James Frain, who plays the Vulcan Sarek in Discovery. "That's like, 'Who's your favorite James Bond?', and if you don't say 'Sean Connery,' really? Come on."
But once fans watch Discovery, they'll notice the show's production values aren't like a typical broadcast show, but more reminiscent of a premium cable or streaming show. CBS was able to justify spending a bit more money on Discovery since it's going onto the paid tier. Sometimes, you really do get what you pay for.
The Los Angeles Times reports each episode costs $8 million -- though Netflix is paying $6 million for each episode's international broadcast rights. The show's main title sequence has been released, and the Verge reports that the show is set before the original 1966 series (but after Star Trek: Enterprise) along with some other possible spoilers.
Space.com asked one of the show's actors who his favorite Star Trek captain was. "I mean, Kirk," answered James Frain, who plays the Vulcan Sarek in Discovery. "That's like, 'Who's your favorite James Bond?', and if you don't say 'Sean Connery,' really? Come on."
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For once, an advantage in being in the "International" grouping. Its straight to netflix for me.
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I should be in that group too, but somehow, I'm pretty sure Netflix Canada won't have it because CRTC or some other bullshit like an exclusive cable/satellite deal that also includes streaming.
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Found something online:
"Lucky Canadians. While the rest of the world has to figure out the right app to download and how to stream it to their TV, Canadians are just chilling. If you live in Canada, you can watch Star Trek: Discovery on the Space Channel, starting Sunday, September 24 at 8:30PM ET. Each episode will air on subsequent Sundays at 8:30PM ET.
If you can’t catch Discovery at its regular date and time, each episode can be found through participating On Demand channels, as well as the Space Go app. If you are anti-Space Channel, you can stream the series through the CraveTV* streaming service starting Monday, September 25 at 10PM ET. Of course, access to Discovery on the CraveTV app requires a monthly subscription fee to the service."
* CraveTV is a Canadian subscription video on demand service owned by Bell Media.
So it seems we're not getting Star Trek: Discovery via Netflix either. Fuck you, Bell Media.
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STD lol
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STD lol
It's a Canadian STD though - it pops up one day, apologizes, and goes away the next day, so no big deal.
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That's the problem. They don't seem to realise this.
Is it a problem for them?
The OP is already subscribed to a single streaming service, if they released every show on each streaming service the OP would still be subscribed to a single streaming service.
But by breaking up the market there's a bunch of people who subscribe to more than one streaming service.
It sucks for the consumer but it's great for the industry.
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Add to that the psychological block people (like me) will have in paying money to an over-the-air broadcast network and you've got yourself a big fat wrench in the works.
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Try leaving the 1950s behind. Prerecorded material can be streamed on-demand. There's no need to 'broadcast' anything but live events.
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My new favorite Captain is Ed of the Orville. He's closer to Trek than either CBS or Paramount has been in decades.
Re:Nope (Score:4, Interesting)
I happen to agree.
Having seen discovery I was really kinda let down.
1. The characters were not really interesting. They were the same tropes over again. Part Vulcan part human who is at war with their emotions... yawn seen it.
2. They messed with the Klingons a bit too far. Originally I was OK with the more alien looking makeup. However after they talk and moved it just looked and felt fake. Even when they talked in Klingon it was slurred speech like they had marbles in their mouth. Then having them very religious with elaborate ceremonies just didn’t say warrior culture.
3. 1 hour for 15 minuets of content. I’ll avoid spoilers but there was too much exposition for stuff I really didn’t care about at the moment.
4. The lack of fun... this plays like an early 2000 SyFi Chanel show. Dark and deep with a lot going on all meaning little. We live in bad times already I want some some escapism.
Perhaps I was just pissed because it got delayed and I sat threw Opra trying to moderate a bunch of Trump and Non-Trump supporters both just giving the standard excused that pissed me off before the show started. But I wasn’t too pleased with the show. And the fact that they want me to pay money to see the other episode is just insulting. If you are going to stream it put it on Hulu or American Netflix. I don’t want an other monthly bill just to watch a mediocre show.
If it was broadcast or on a normal streaming service then I may want to give it a view.
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I was pleasantly surprised by episode 3 of The Orville. It could easily have been a TNG or Voyager episode.
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I think it was a combination of 2 TNG Episodes, with a McFarlane twist. The one where the monosexual "woman" fell in love with Riker, and the tribunal which decided whether or not Data was a person.
Updated, of course, for Seth's humor, bad acting, and the utter chaos of how our culture is handling transgender issues.
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I like it so far, but the ham fisted social commentary is rough. MacFarlane seems to love setting up a both sides are bad scenario.
He's classic fence sitter ruining America, shitting on a real issue then making a joke about the corn in the turd.
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It's literally on broadcast television.
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The first episode is. The rest of the series is not.
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If you read carefully you'll see you can watch the show for free next week...
Where?
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Not to mention I cannot stream it on Linux, if that was supported I would consider it, but oh well, one less show to follow :)
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If it ain't on Amazon or Comcast, I'm not watching it. Not gonna pay monthly fees for yet another streaming service just to watch one TV show.
Wait until the end of the season, when it will be on Netflix.
Re: Nope (Score:5, Insightful)
"Immediately afterward, the second episode of Star Trek: Discovery will stream exclusively on CBS All Access -- the company's $6 per month streaming service... "
and 30 seconds later, it will be on the popular file share repositories.
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Thank you Ted, that was the joke.
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Keep on trollin' though.
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Actually, all the Star Trek series and films that have aired to date have depicted the human race as multi-ethnic but largely monocultural.
With a whoooooole lot of white male, human, English-speaking captains, admirals, etc. I hope they Make Starfleet Great Again, and "totally destroy" anyone who thumbs his nose at them. We need to keep those undocumented Ferengi out.
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I'm betting it will be an SJW bomb.
Yeah, that would be a shame. Star Trek has never previously been about social justice issues. Gene Roddenberry was all about the status quo, but in spaaaace.
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I think what you're presuming is that the show will be watched OTA to any significant degree. There are very few TV antennas left in my town; the inconvenience is just too high compared to the ability to time-shift streaming. Not to mention being inundated with commercials.
I haven't watched anything OTA in years, nor do I ever expect to again.
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I think what you're presuming is that the show will be watched OTA to any significant degree... No. What I am presuming is that the premiere broadcast will be on the broadcast network of CBS, on cable in addition to OTA. No antenna needed for me. I have a DVR, I don't see commercials. And I don't have to pay $6 per month to watch a single show. You may have differing preferences.
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There must be no millennials in your town then: https://www.wsj.com/articles/m... [wsj.com]
Or the OTA antennas have moved indoors. It is shocking to me how many people I know who rely on OTA for some portion of their video consumption, none of who use an outdoor antenna.
Last month I dropped a OTA tuner, antenna and Raspberry Pi in another timezone just so I could watch out of state football games without paying for a service... and I am not a millennial.
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Fortunately, while Fox ran the first two episodes of The Orville on Sunday night in the "overtime death slot", they wisely moved it to Thursday nights. And yes, this Sunday's episode was 45 minutes late because of handegg. At least about a year or so they got a clue about their Sunday night regular (mostly) animation block and started running sacrificial reruns in the first time slot, JIPping them if sports ran overtime, so DVRs can properly get all the new episodes.
Meanwhile, I missed quite a few episodes
Put it on showtime!!! (Score:3)
Put it on showtime!!!
Caught the adverts (Score:2)
They managed to find a couple minutes of very good footage, so I'll give it a watch.
I don't have high expectations. I still remember Voyager when every episode I asked myself why haven't the crew or the maqui killed Janeway by the end.
Then there was Enterprise that had that lousy theme song that was just plain irritating.
Or next generation where picard tried to talk everyone to death.
Maybe they can get another DS-9 not going to hold my breath.
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>Then there was Enterprise that had that lousy theme song that was just plain irritating.
As a general rule, I categorize people who complain about the Enterprise theme as 'people who are impossible to please'.
There was nothing wrong with that theme except that it wasn't the orchestral piece you were expecting. There was a LOT wrong with Enterprise... and like Voyager, most of it was predictable from the pilot script.
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De gustibus non est disputandum
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No, it was shit. It sounded like an impersonation of Rod Stewart, and not a good one, whatever the hell that would sound like. The thing about the orchestral pieces is that they are not only epic, but more importantly they are never dated. The Enterprise theme song was horrible at the time — now it's worse.
And look, I say this as someone who overall liked the show; I think Voyager was weaker. And I say that as someone who overall liked Janeway. But back on topic, I liked how people weren't so damned i
A million subscribers? (Score:3)
Is that number accurate - and is that a million paid subscribers? If so, I'm quite surprised.
But, in any case, our household will not be included in that group.
A disturbance in the force (Score:3)
I've wondered about that too... (Score:3, Insightful)
I like Star Wars better than Star Trek, but I really enjoy both.
I've often wondered, are there really a lot of people who just like one or the other? I've not really seen any evidence of that among my friends either.
Basically the majority of us just enjoy a good story (and sometimes just awesome special effects for the heck of it), and just want something either enjoyable or thought provoking (or both) to watch. I think most of us judge individual efforts set in any Sci-Fi Fi universe against these simple
No way! (Score:3)
Unless it's at least R rated with fully nude green alien women on stripper poles.
Seriously... (Score:5, Interesting)
Doubling down on crappy looking Klingons
Trailers filled with NOTHING but weapons fire and CG overload
gay/trans/ethnic political bullshit turned up to 11
I have to pay to see the rest of a TV series
If I pay to see the rest of a TV series I should expect to be rewarded with spyware installed on whatever I'm watching from.
CBS all access privacy policy says:
"Websites or other services you visited before and after visiting a CBS Interactive Services"
"Information about your interactions with audio and video content, such as the type of content listened to (including music applications such as iTunes, Spotify and Last.fm) and content viewed, and information about your interactions with email messages, such as the links clicked on and whether the messages were opened or forwarded;"
"Upon request, your bandwidth speed and information about the software programs installed on your computer including registry key information; and"
So basically if you watch Star trek you should assume spyware will be installed on whatever your watching it from to spy on EVERYTHING you do even if it has NOTHING to do with CBS all access.
This will be the first star trek I don't even bother watching even out of curiosity.
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gay/trans/ethnic political bullshit turned up to 11
I haven't seen it yet, but where did you get this from? Unless it's really overt in the first episode, the trailer certainly never made anything of any of those issues. I don't think there was any hint that any character was gay or trans at all, in fact. Lots of shows have gay characters anyway now, it's not remarkable.
What primed you to have this reaction?
Another one? (Score:2)
Yawn.
If you don't want to pay another streaming service (Score:2)
for a rehashed program that you know will be nothing but social commentary 100% of the time, there's always magnetic links.
Star Trek has Jumped the Shark (Score:3)
Pilot squanders excellent cast with bad pacing. (Score:5, Interesting)
A pop-culture story has to introduce it's protagonist and get you invested in his struggles quickly; until then its living on borrowed time.
This pilot wasted a lot of time and crucial early scenes, in part I think giving in to same temptation that got George Lucas on Phantom Menace: showing off what you can do with an unlimited budget. There is dialog in the ST:Discovery pilot that exists solely to to stretch out SFX shots. J.J. Abrams has said that he found Star Trek pacing slow, but I disagree; it just took a long time to get to the action scene. That time was taken up with drama. On this pilot that time is taken up with furniture.
The director also made the unfortunate decision to shoot much of the pilot in the Klingon language with English subtitles. This isn't at all like watching, say a Japanese movie with English subtitles. Japanese is a real language that evolved to fill human needs. Klingon was designed by professional linguists to sound alien, and it works well enough for saying things like "Fire all disruptors!" But it was painful to watch actors struggling to emote through heavy prosthetics while forcing their tongues to perform inhuman phonetic acrobatics. That meant that you got almost the entire sense of the scene through the subtitles. Also by overexposing the Klingons so early they seem less threatening. We know too much about what's going on (having read a lot of subtitles), but none of it adds to the suspense or drama of the story.
Altogether this is hot mess. Often TV shows have difficulty launching while spoon feeding viewers all the information they know, but despite the sumptuous visuals this one wasn't competently put together.
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Well, if you've made up your mind before watching it, you don't have to watch it.
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I don't even have a television! I don't mention it much, mind you.
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But which identity group the characters belong to that matters. Welcome to grievance hell - paid version.
I'm also predicting prominent LGBT characters, for no reason other than to have them. Its a requirement any more.
Re: It's not the stories that will matter (Score:5, Informative)
Says the person who knows nothing about what Star Trek is about:
“Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. [] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.”
Gene Roddenberry
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Insightful)
BTW I was pleasantly surprised by, of all things, The Orville and how of all people Seth McFarlane managed to pull off an adult story about a hot-button topic without coming off as a nutter extremist for either side.
I should also say that I'm not being paid by Fox, but I would like to boost their ratings because I find that I like the show and don't want it cancelled.
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean, don't get me wrong, I hold the belief that gender as defined separately from sex is a fake construct and we will find that it is simply an attempt to stereotype people more specifically instead of not stereotyping at all. It's the new astrology. "I am these things because I am a Libra" is no different from "I am these things because I am third gendered". No, you are an indescribable, complicated personality and mind. Do whatever you want to your body but stop trying to escape from the genitals box society put you in by building a gender box to put yourself in. You don't need to be in any box.
What irked me was that while they set up this nice character, people roasted the show for not going far enough in to gender politics while they were telling a very genuine story that seemed realistic (from a psychological and emotional perspective in terms of the motives of the characters). I'm sure we'll periodically have that stuff come up related to gender identity now that we have this character, but this past episode wasn't about that. We got a story that can relate to many things in current culture such as deaf parents wanting their child to remain deaf instead of getting an operation to restore hearing, circumcision, and sex assignment surgery for intersex persons. As much as many people decried it for being dumbed-down, they sure didn't seem to understand what was happening.
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and I'm still kind of floored that a guy who made his millions selling fart jokes was able to pull it off so well.
The episode I think you're referring to was directed by Brannon Braga.
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Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Funny)
That's not SJW at all. SJW would be Uhura slapping Kirk's face afterwards and telling him to check his straight cis white male privilege.
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Insightful)
Modern SJW liberalism is very different from the traditional liberalism that Trek has always represented. Traditional liberalism embraced values such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion (including the right the not be religious), inclusiveness of all races and genders, racial/gender equality and unity, non-violence, and many other values that modern SJW liberals today seem to find abhorrent.
Modern SJW liberals are racial/gender exclusivists who openly advocate censorship, persecution, and even violence against anyone disagreeing with them. Those are absolutely NOT traditional Trek values.
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When someone uses "white male" as an insult, they very clearly do not value inclusiveness or gender equality. Go back to Tumblr.
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I may be old, but ain't that pretty much what those white supremacist idiots have been claiming as well?
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I think you are making a dangerous mistake here. It is not 'blacks' that want segregation, it is the SJW crowd.
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I sort of got the idea that Seth pitched it as "Fart Trek" so that Fox would green-light it, if the promo was any indication. Sure, it's snarky, tropey, and irreverent, but it actually does a good job of presenting a mid-tier Star Trek type plot, but with a dysfunctional crew. Seth could have gone full-on "Married With Crew" (well this is Fox ya know), but kept the divorce thing down to just inter-character tension and a source of snarks.
The third episode sort of inverted current political correctness abou
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What does a persons colour matter to you ?
Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
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What does a persons colour matter to you ?
Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
That's a completely inaccurate view of the situation.
There is a big difference between women and minorities being given better representation in a TV show and "white males being blamed for all the evil in the world". White males are still extraordinarily privileged in western society, unhinged allusions to some sort of upcoming white male genocide notwithstanding.
If you want to understand what real oppression is then try empathizing with a woman or minority.
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a big difference between women and minorities being given better representation in a TV show
Maybe you're not familiar with Star Trek, but the franchise had minority and gender representation pretty much from the beginning. Minority and women captains and crew have been in Trek for decades now. No one is complaining about that. But if you want to pretend that there isn't a nasty strain of anti-straight-white-male sentiment brewing on the left for the last few years, or that it hasn't begun to infect popular culture, then by all means keep your head in the sand. If the only straight white male in the series turns out to be incompetent or a villain though, I submit that this is no coincidence.
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Iâ(TM)ll be sure to mention their extraordinary privilege to the white guys I see sleeping in doorways every day. Iâ(TM)m sure theyâ(TM)ll be happy to hear about it.
Re: Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Interesting)
Calling someone who sleeps in a doorway âoeprivilegedâ just shows how toxic your ideology is and no amount of verbal diarrhoea can justify it.
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Because if one race and gender are being blamed for all evil in the world, that's a very dangerous problem. That has happened before, and it always ends very badly.
You were against social justice 11 minutes before this, and now you are for it.
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You obviously don't know me at all. And you've just unintentionally made an excellent point. Blaming all white males for the actions of a few is no different than blaming all Muslims every time some terrorist blows himself up in a mall.
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That's unfair. I'm sure he blames some things on commies and faggots.
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Insightful)
If you think that asking only that straight white males be allowed to be heroes too, not just villains, is somehow the same as demanding "dominance" than you need mental help.
This isn't even new ground. Star Trek has always been inclusive. Just ask Ben Sisko or Katherine Janeway. What scares me is the idea of Trek going from inclusive to exclusive. Trek has always welcomed all races, genders, etc. What they've never done before is intentionally exclude certain ones.
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:5, Interesting)
You don't think it's a problem that straight white males are only portrayed as idiots or villains in many TV series and movies today? Do you not see how villianizing one particular race/gender could lead to a very nasty future? It's happened many times before, and the results were almost always horrible.
If this idea permeates the Trek universe, I would find it to be particularly disturbing. Trek in particular has always been about unity, progress, and inclusiveness. The idea of a new Trek that excludes straight white males as anything but villains deeply saddens me. I sincerely hope that the new series doesn't do this, and that my fears are unfounded.
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You don't seem to understand. I'm not worried that it might not be racist or sexist. I'm worried that it WILL be racist and sexist.
Re:Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:4, Insightful)
No, I'm worried that the liberal movement that I was once proud to be a part of is turning white males into the new "dirty jews," and the horrible things that could lead to. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Re: Please just don't just be SJW propoganda (Score:4, Insightful)
The sad thing is that the 21st century incarnation of the hard left is turning into the mirror image of the hard right with the same rhetoric of hatred and division albeit directed at different targets. Are you proud to be part of a movement that laughs at and dismisses the homeless and mentally ill because of their physical characteristics? Whatever happened to liberal compassion?
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You are a very angry man. I hope you get the help you need. And I hope you don't tweet your controversial ideas every night.
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Sorry, I'm a white male. You know how incompetant we all are.
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No one has to be a victim if we can all agree to stop scapegoating one another. That used to be the Trek vision--unity, equality, progress, and inclusiveness. I hope this new series doesn't change that.
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This all started when they decided you had to have midichlorians and did away with the egalitarian outlook in Star Wars... Everything was fine before JarJar!
Re:SJW crap (Score:5, Insightful)
For fucks sake, are all alt-right racist bigots as clueless as you ? Don't you even get what principles the Star Trek universe was built on back in the sixties ?
Star Trek is the ultimate SJW's wet dream. Gene Rodenberry was a SJW. What ? A black woman as a bridge OFFICER ?!?! An alien as the first officer ? Women admirals who outranked men ? Extraterrestrials of all origins as equal partners in a galactic federation of planets ? A world without war, discrimination, poverty and *GASP* money ?
This liberal SJW crap, as you call it, is not what ruined the original Star Trek, it's what made it one of the best, most influencial tv show in human history.
I'm old enough to remember when Star Trek was recieving the same kind of critics you're making by equally stupid cavemen back in the sixties. I was hoping your lot would be extinct by now.
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To me, Star Trek was about being inclusive and open minded. SJWs are about as exclusive and close-minded as they come, it's just that the pendulum is on the other side. Just my opinion.
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"Nietzsche is about as far from SJW as you can get." Well most people interested in their purported virtue in racism haven't read Nietzsche very carefully either.
I TL;DR it by just listening to the tone poem...
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"Nietzsche is about as far from SJW as you can get." Well most people interested in their purported virtue in racism haven't read Nietzsche very carefully either.
I TL;DR it by just listening to the tone poem...
After Gene died things changed completely for Trek. The only good thing I can say about modern Trek is, at least it isn't owned by Disney. Yet.
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Seriously... Why does every main character *have*to be a minority woman? This liberal SJW crap probably ruined what could have been a great show.
And by "every" you mean "one"?
We don't know what the actual show will be like but the friggin' captain is a white male, I'm guessing he'll be more than an occasional guest star (unless he gets killed off, then there will surely be other white males in the cast).
And how many shows have a main cast that is entirely white male with a token female and a token minority?
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Re:So what? (Score:4, Interesting)
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When will Blake's 7 come back ?
Who would do it properly ?
It was done properly the first time.
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