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Stanley Kubrick Explains The '2001: A Space Odyssey' Ending In A Rare, Unearthed Video (esquire.com) 233

When it was originally released in 1968, audiences didn't really know what to make of "2001: A Space Odyssey". In fact, 250 critics walked out of the New York premiere, literally asking aloud, "What is this bullshit?"

[...] Stanley Kubrick himself was always hesitant to offer an explanation of the ending, once telling Playboy, "You're free to speculate as you wish about the philosophical and allegorical meaning of the film -- and such speculation is one indication that it has succeeded in gripping the audience at a deep level -- but I don't want to spell out a verbal road map for 2001 that every viewer will feel obligated to pursue or else fear he's missed the point." But, in a bizarre video, which appeared recently, the director seems to provide a very simple and clear explanation of the "2001: A Space Odyssey" ending. Esquire: It comes from a Japanese paranormal documentary from TV personality Jun'ichi Yaio made during the filming of The Shining. The documentary was never released, but footage was sold on eBay in 2016 and conveniently appeared online this week timed with the movie's 50th anniversary. Kubrick says in the interview: I've tried to avoid doing this ever since the picture came out. When you just say the ideas they sound foolish, whereas if they're dramatized one feels it, but I'll try. The idea was supposed to be that he is taken in by god-like entities, creatures of pure energy and intelligence with no shape or form. They put him in what I suppose you could describe as a human zoo to study him, and his whole life passes from that point on in that room. And he has no sense of time. It just seems to happen as it does in the film.

They choose this room, which is a very inaccurate replica of French architecture (deliberately so, inaccurate) because one was suggesting that they had some idea of something that he might think was pretty, but wasn't quite sure. Just as we're not quite sure what do in zoos with animals to try to give them what we think is their natural environment. Anyway, when they get finished with him, as happens in so many myths of all cultures in the world, he is transformed into some kind of super being and sent back to Earth, transformed and made into some sort of superman. We have to only guess what happens when he goes back. It is the pattern of a great deal of mythology, and that is what we were trying to suggest.

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Stanley Kubrick Explains The '2001: A Space Odyssey' Ending In A Rare, Unearthed Video

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I've tried to avoid doing this ever since the picture came out. When you just say the ideas they sound foolish, whereas if they're dramatized one feels it ...

    Yep. He should have tried just a bit harder. This adds nothing to a great film.

    Anyone who wanted to know more could have just read the damn book.

  • The Monolith (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Kunedog ( 1033226 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @05:18AM (#56915312)
    Not saying it's "correct," but I liked this interpretation of the monolith:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    TL:DW - It's the movie screen. When it's shown on the lunar surface, it looks like it's in the middle of a movie set. When Dave encounters it in space near the end, it's horizontal, and when it tilts backwards the camera mimics it.
    • The ratio of the monolith dimensions is 1:4:9, the squares of the first three integers. The film was made in Super Panavision, which has a 2.20:1 aspect ratio. 9/4 is 2.25, so it's close.

      However, the self-reference of this interpretation is, IMO, particularly appealing to film critics and places an autobiographical slant on the film that doesn't really fit. The film tells a story of the evolution of man, it's not self-referential.

  • Helpful (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @05:29AM (#56915330)

    I've slightly misinterpreted the sequence, but was happy to go with the flow; the point about him ending up as a some sort of super being was obvious; the fact that the French style environment was right was something that I hadn't picked up. I pleased to have got the extra data, but I was happy with where I was in interpreting it; I'd got enough to cope.

    I guess the problem was this was seriously groundbreaking, so Kubrick was speaking a totally new language. I first saw it 10 years after its release, so it was probably less challenging by then.

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @08:33AM (#56916044) Journal

      I guess the problem was this was seriously groundbreaking, so Kubrick was speaking a totally new language.

      That's one possibility. However, I tend to get rather sceptical about these "Emperor's new clothes"-type of arguments that if you don't understand it you are just stupid. My personal interpretation was a lot more pragmatic: they had no clue how to really end the film so they strung together some ambiguous BS and used the old "it's your interpretation that matters, not mine" cop-out to escape having to explain it. I guess that's why I'm a scientist and not an artist.

      • by azcoyote ( 1101073 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @09:38AM (#56916484)

        ... I tend to get rather sceptical about these "Emperor's new clothes"-type of arguments that if you don't understand it you are just stupid. My personal interpretation was a lot more pragmatic: they had no clue how to really end the film so they strung together some ambiguous BS and used the old "it's your interpretation that matters, not mine" cop-out to escape having to explain it. ...

        I'm inclined to agree. Kubrick had an idea of what it meant, but in the end his real point was the impact it would have on the audience, rather than a deeper meaning. In fact, the real significance of the movie is not that it was "groundbreaking," but rather that it is emblematic of twentieth-century modernism, which glorified technological advancement and the human spirit and believed in deeper meaning while also promoting purely subjective interpretations. So it's important that even though Kubrick intended for the audience to interpret it themselves, he also believed that it was deeply meaningful and signified something transcendent. Hence twentieth-century modernism tends to think that the human subject is able to transcend him or herself and directly encounter meaning that transcends context and history.

        In contrast, contemporary postmodern thinking still tends to encourage subjective interpretations, but it also tends to disavow any deeper meaning. It is more the act of interpretation that generates meaning.

      • Yet Kubrick's explanation is 99% exactly what I expected, so I understood the movie as intended the first time through.

        That does not make the people who do not see the clothes as dumb, of course.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Kubrick never explains anything in his movies. He just shows you stuff and you have to figure it out yourself.

      Most people come away from them not understanding parts. That's normal for a Kubrick film.

    • I guess the problem was this was seriously groundbreaking, so Kubrick was speaking a totally new language. I first saw it 10 years after its release, so it was probably less challenging by then.

      "New language" is the right way to think of it. Sometimes a particular message needs a new set of symbology to describe it within the medium.

      A kooky example would be of such would be Moulin Rouge! . That movie hurt my head for the first 10-15 minutes, then something clicked in place and got it -- it is really an ingenious and innovation melodrama (that is perhaps not for everyone). The movie successfully established a kind of "new language" where the story could be told. Another kooky example where the d

  • by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @05:32AM (#56915340) Homepage
    It seems to me that Interstellar has a number of similarities with 2001. TARS could quite easily be seen as the Monolith in active form, and the ending of Interstellar was very much these "god-like beings" trying to operate within the confines of a human frame of reference.

    The bit Interstellar seems to add is that the beings are us, evolved from the future. I seem to recall that being explicit in the film but haven't seen in a while so could be misremembering. That's definitely the impression I got though. I always thought about 2001's ending in the manner Kubrick described, in part because I read the book but mostly because I thought it seemed clear the direction it was guided in - am surprised it was considered an unknown and matter for debate.
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    • Yeah you remember right. Cooper pretty much narrates that end scene to TARS explaining what he was seeing. "They are us"!

  • by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @06:01AM (#56915410) Homepage

    I think the underrated "2010: The year we make contact" pretty much wraps up the 2001 story and explains everything while being a decent sci-fi movie on its own right. Definitely a recommended watch after 2001. Sure, not groundbreaking, but also no sequences that test the audience nerves/patience like in 2001 (referring of course to the start ape sequence and the approaching the monolith psychedelia).

    • by Zobeid ( 314469 )

      I've seen 2010, and I found it quite forgettable. I mean, I remember bits and pieces of it, but it didn't make that much of an impression. It's tough to live in the shadow of a giant.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        the underrated "2010: The year we make contact"

        I've seen 2010, and I found it quite forgettable

        2010: Odyssey Two is one of my favorite books of all time.

        The movie 2010: The Year We Make Contact was a near travesty. For some reason, the director felt the need to add the bit about a war between the U.S. and Soviet Union, just so he could insert his views about Cold War politics into the film. It made the movie felt dated, years before the fall of the Berlin Wall. And the whole "your government asked us

  • It's not such a mystery, humans evolving to their next form, Homo Superior.

  • Well, it's on the internet now, so no longer rare, right?
  • by MarkH ( 8415 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @06:51AM (#56915546)

    By Arthur C Clarke. Except a lot more detail on the transformation, why and relationship to monolith.

    Why is this a new revelation? Kubrick and Clarke worked closely together on 2001 resulting in arguable best film/book combo ever.

    • By Arthur C Clarke. Except a lot more detail on the transformation, why and relationship to monolith.

      Why is this a new revelation? Kubrick and Clarke worked closely together on 2001 resulting in arguable best film/book combo ever.

      It's a revelation because few people who have seen the movie have read the book. Sure, here on Slashdot that won't be true, but ask some random guy at work in a non-IT department and you'll find that he saw the film but didn't read the book. I read the book in my 20s because the film intrigued me, but I didn't really understand it and I was hoping the book might explain what I had seen. Note that the book is not an exact copy of the film and there are some differences as Clarke points out in his introduc

    • by Xenna ( 37238 )

      Obviously. I remember thinking (over 40 years ago) that the ending would be pretty mysterious for people who hadn't read the book.

      It's also pretty mysterious that this took so long to become 'news for nerds'...

    • Yeah ... anybody who has read the book can explain it; that Kubrick didn't disagree is the least surprising thing.

      I told my kids to read the book before I'm showing them the movie, but I think both are worthwhile.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday July 09, 2018 @07:40AM (#56915674)
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    • by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Monday July 09, 2018 @08:26AM (#56915984) Homepage

      That idea gets thrown around a lot and taken for fact, and I'm sure some of the people saying it believe it. Your artist friend may believe that it doesn't matter what he thinks the painting is of.

      However, that's not a universal view, and many artist very much have a view of what their art means. In fact, some artists will even refuse to talk about their work for the exact opposite reason. Although they had a particular message or idea they were trying to convey, they don't want to explain it further for fear of muddying the waters. They feel that their art a precise expression of what they want to express, and that further explanation would make it less clear.

      Also, a lot of times, even if an artist says "it doesn't matter what I think it means", they'll still get upset if you interpret it to mean something they don't like.

      • It's just deconstructionism, and as with many things that are trendy, it's (usually) pretty stupid. And if you're a deconstructivist, and don't like this comment, just interpret it in a way you like, and leave the people that actually want to communicate alone...
    • As movies are art, this goes for many movies as well. If I see or feel anything the makers of the movies did not intend, does not make my feelings and ideas about the movie false, just different.

      Don't let George Lucas hear you say that. From a 2004 interview [today.com] in response to "Why not release both the originals and special editions on DVD?"

      The special edition, that’s the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it’s on VHS, if anybody wants it. ... I’m not going to spend the, we’re talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn’t really exist anymore. It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be. I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.

      Some artists really don't like it when you see something they did not explicitly intend.

    • by G-Man ( 79561 )

      This is pretty much the "Death of the Author" view from Roland Barthes

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Author [wikipedia.org]

  • Same for The Shining and the Adler typewriter?
  • Kubrick's explanation wasn't necessary because the book had already presented the ending with a thorough treatment and a complete explanation.

    It does not appear that the author of this article actually read the book.

  • I first saw 2001 on DVD, and even fast forwarding through the psychedelic color tunnel at the end was boring with how long it took. If so many people are asking what the end of your movie means, it means you did a bad job portraying your vision. Acting smug about it doesn't help.
    • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

      by Revek ( 133289 )

      It was made in a time when the audience liked to think and reason. It is necessary have to have simple plots and obvious endings for the lazy thinkers of today.

      • It was made in a time when the audience liked to think and reason. It is necessary have to have simple plots and obvious endings for the lazy thinkers of today.

        I'm generally told to stop thinking about movies by my peers. I'm forbidden to talk about a movie with my wife ten minutes after watching it, so she gets a chance to enjoy it for a while. I don't need to be bored to be able to think about the movie. My mind is capable of being entertained and can still think about what I'm watching.

        2001 Space Odyssey's third act is slow, boring and not entertaining, especially for people who are capable of consuming new information quickly and doesn't need large stretches o

  • I'm going to get flamed but I didn't like the movie too much.
    Or rather it was filled with "space", both literally and figuratively.
    I know some people like just watching a guy jog around a circular station for 10 minutes but I find it annoying.
    That seems to be true for all Kubric's movies in my opinion.
    They are overlong and underplot.

    Do artists in general think that there is only one idea and I have to be psychic to get what they are thinking or I can make up my own mind?
    How does Kubric deal with that conund

    • The basic issue is that 2001 is "an art movie", meaning you are supposed to pay close attention, think pretty hard about what you are seeing, and maybe you love it, maybe you hate, not likely to be anywhere in between. That is how it is.

      And, no, I am not trying to insinuate there is anything wrong with you if you hated it. Art movies are often underplot, and that is arduous for some people, who are perfectly right to say that is not how they want to spend their free time. I personally like many art movie

  • It all seemed perfectly clear to me what was happening and nothing I just read in TFA was any sort of revelation to me. Do people really have a hard time understanding what was going on there?
  • Of course, what he says is almost identical to what I was thinking when I walked out after having seen it when it was released in '69: "he's become the starchild, and he's looking at the Earth, and thinking that he didn't yet know what, but he was going to do something with it."

    Of course, I'd been seriously reading sf for about 8 or 9 years at the time, so it was obvious what he was saying.

    The reviewers said exactly what I expected of them, because they didn't have a f*ckin' clue, and wouldn't ever be seen

  • I thought for a second that Kubrick was back from the dead, maybe helped by Jon Snow's Melissandre
  • The explanation he gives is pretty much the understanding I had of the ending, with the exception that he was being sent back to earth as a super-being. Maybe it seemed straightforward to me because it is the simple explanation, and I was about 10yo when I first saw it in the theaters.

  • I just bought 2010 for $5. Maybe I paid too much? LOL.

    The ending was obvious, and leaving it open to speculation made it art. People need to learn to use their brains. Not everything has a pat answer that someone else has come up with. Sometimes you have to come up with your own answers.

  • To me, the literal plot of 2001 was always a bit of a sideshow to the greater metaphorical messaging. The overall arc of the story is of the journey of mankind from a primitive animal to a fully-realized being. It's helpful to know that the title track is Strauss' "Also Sprach Zarathustra" (which is a musical setting for the book by Nietzche) and that the child is the last stage of the "Three Metamorphoses" discussed by the title character of the book (the first two are the camel and the lion). Kubrick was

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