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Struggling MoviePass Kills Off Its Annual Plan -- Even If You Already Paid For It (nypost.com) 122

Slashdot reader nolaguy quotes the New York Post: Movie subscription service MoviePass has pulled the plug on annual subscriptions, telling those subscribers that they will have to adhere to the same terms as monthly subscribers. The service made the announcement Friday in an email to those members and offered them prorated refunds if they want to cancel their annual memberships.... Until Friday's announcement, subscribers to the $89 annual plans had been able to see a movie a day.
CNET reports that MoviePass "is now forcing you onto its monthly three-movie-a-month plan -- effective immediately...and you'll receive up to a $5.00 discount on any additional movie tickets purchased." They're plannning to apply the $89 annual fees toward the $9.95 monthly fees, but.... To add insult to injury, MoviePass says you'll only have until Aug. 31 -- a week from today -- if you want to get some of your money back in the form of a prorated refund, which you can only get by canceling your plan. And just to make things more ridiculous, MoviePass is preying on your FOMO by saying that if you do take the refund, you won't be able to sign up for MoviePass again for nine months.
CNET's article ends with a link to their list of "the 11 times that MoviePass altered the deal," adding "This is getting sad. And a little shady."
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Struggling MoviePass Kills Off Its Annual Plan -- Even If You Already Paid For It

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 25, 2018 @03:41PM (#57194024)

    it probably is. I'm having a difficult time feeling too sorry for members.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    If you purchased through Costco, your plan is still valid through the original end date.

    Still, a lot of people are getting full (not prorated) refunds from Costco because of this mess.

    • That explains why I haven't gotten the email that has been mentioned in various stories. But the restrictions on what movies are available remain and have been hampered my use of MoviePass. I won't be asking for a refund because there is still enough value to continuing to use it for the rest of the year (assuming it keeps working that long), but renewing is another question.
  • If I buy something, you deliver or my lawyer has a field day. Either's fine with me.

    • by alexo ( 9335 )

      If I buy something, you deliver or my lawyer has a field day. Either's fine with me.

      Win or lose, the lawyers always have a field day.
      That's how the system is set up.

    • Ah, your lawyer gets to go play in the open field, get some fresh air... That's nice.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "If I buy something, you deliver or my lawyer has a field day."

      Small wonder. Your lawyer gets his money from you either way while you get zilch. They just love stupid fucks like you.

    • by WinstonWolfIT ( 1550079 ) on Saturday August 25, 2018 @05:00PM (#57194362)

      You high? They'll be shuttered in a week and you're behind a very long line of creditors.

    • you'll have a hard time convincing a judge. I suppose if you got a really good lawyer and class action, but they're teetering on the verge of collapse. Go ahead and sue, you won't get a dime or your movies. Heck, I don't think you could find a lawyer to take a case unless you paid them up front since they've got to know Movie Pass doesn't have money to pay out settlements. And you'd just be out the $50k. Plus you'd have to find a shady lawyer since better ones would tell you you're not gonna get paid.
      • No, he's got it all wrong. The way it works in American and most countries is, "you deliver or I get my money back". The lawyers only come into play if you don't get the money back.

    • You get a prorated refund. What's wrong with that? What did you contract say you would get that you think you deserve more?

    • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

      How much did this cost you? If it's not several hundred dollars or impairs your life in some great way, any lawyer that offers to take your case is a sham. Walk away very fast. Actually, flag down a ride and ride away very fast.

      Stuff like movie pass is what small clams court is for.

  • At this point they should just throw in the towel. Instead they just keep making themselves look worse. If anybody involved in this tries to start another company people are going to steer clear.
    • No, people involved in this now have startup experience and will be chosen as new executives over lesser people who actually have clues. At least this is how it has worked in the past, and I see no evidence that investors have gotten wiser over the years.

  • This is ridiculus (Score:5, Informative)

    by stikves ( 127823 ) on Saturday August 25, 2018 @04:12PM (#57194142) Homepage

    They obviously do not want to file for bankruptcy. However at this point it looks like the best action to stop the suffering.

    Their business plan relied on people not using their service. However it being "too good to be true", people actually wanted to use the subscription to the fullest. If you let people to watch one movie every day of the year, there would be people who would want to watch one movie per day. Not everyone is a family with kids with very little time, and can only go to theaters a few times a year. Many people, do have the time to go to the movies.

    Sorry but your plan would have never worked, it failed miserably in the real life. Just accept it.

    • by Entrope ( 68843 ) on Saturday August 25, 2018 @04:19PM (#57194160) Homepage

      Even more relevant, the people who have the most free time -- teens and young adults with no kids -- are also the prime consumers of the product.

      It was glaringly obvious from the start that they were promising more than the industry could afford to deliver at those prices.

      • Sure, they lose money on every sale but they're hoping to make it up in volume.

      • It was glaringly obvious from the start that they were promising more than the industry could afford to deliver at those prices.

        No, it wasn't obvious. There's lots of empty theater seats. Every empty seat represents a lost opportunity to sell overpriced snacks, distributors pay theaters for showing trailers based on how many people see them, and theaters pay distributors a percentage of ticket revenues at the end of a run. We've been told for years that theaters don't make much from showing films, but instead profit mainly from selling food, so getting more asses in seats seemed like a feasible way for them to increase revenues. The

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          No, it wasn't obvious. There's lots of empty theater seats. Every empty seat represents a lost opportunity to sell overpriced snacks, distributors pay theaters for showing trailers based on how many people see them, and theaters pay distributors a percentage of ticket revenues at the end of a run. We've been told for years that theaters don't make much from showing films, but instead profit mainly from selling food, so getting more asses in seats seemed like a feasible way for them to increase revenues. The

    • by Kenja ( 541830 )
      Then they needed a better business plan than "sell 10$ for 5$".
    • If there were actually people that watched what Hollywood is putting out every day, they obviously at this point are in dire need of medical attention. Where will the funding for that come from if MoviePass declares bankruptcy?

    • by Greyfox ( 87712 )
      No it wouldn't. The suffering is actually more entertaining than most of the movies we would have gone to see anyway. Everyone should just tell them "Keep going, Movie Pass! You can do it!" and pop up some more popcorn to eat while watching them flail about trying to make it work.

      I wouldn't work for 'em at this point, though. I'd' be surprised if the payroll checks haven't already started bouncing.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    So Movie Pass has gone all Darth Vader - "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsW9MlYu31g

  • I don't understand how someone could ever think this could work. Of course they can't keep this up where someone could go see 30 movies a month for $10. It almost makes me think there is some kind of shadiness going on. Someone create a big company that people love... knowing that it is not sustainable... get financial backing because of how popular it certainly would be... cash out before it tanks... go to Disney World.

    • by Voyager529 ( 1363959 ) <voyager529@yahoo. c o m> on Saturday August 25, 2018 @06:14PM (#57194622)

      I don't understand how someone could ever think this could work.

      They were depending on people like me. See, I subscribe to Netflix...but I watch approximately 20 hours a year, so Netflix makes a solid profit margin on me. There are probably enough Netflix subscribers like me where the binge watchers are subsidized, and it all evens out because both of us want to pay a flat rate.

      The problem Moviepass had was that they lacked balance. People like me weren't going to sign up because the half-a-dozen times a year I go to the movies is about the same cost as an annual Moviepass subscription - I'd have to go to the movies more often to justify it. The people who were going to jump on the deal were the people who were already going to the movies very regularly, so selling them movie tickets for less than half of what they were already paying just wasn't going to go their way.

      Moviepass could have fared better if they limited themselves from the beginning - "$10 for 10 movies a month, but while you pick the days, we pick the show times". They could have partnered with the movie theaters to better distribute crowds during off-peak showings and banked on making up the balance at the concession stands, or at least having the seats available during prime time for full-priced customers. It would help limit the exposure of the theaters, it would set an expectation, and could be beneficial for everyone involved.

      I'm unsurprised that the service, as advertised, ended up here.

    • The backers were thinking nobody could possibly see the crap that Hollywood puts out every day of the month and lost.

  • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Saturday August 25, 2018 @06:54PM (#57194736)

    Why does this company get so much media attention? The second I heard about what it was offering and at what prices I immediately began thinking "90's tech boom bullshit". Remember the company that wanted to make a business out of home delivery of pet food and even aired super bowl commercials? Movie Pass just seemed like more of that to me.

    I mean, unlimited movies a month for the price of one movie of month? Guess who's going to sign up for that! People who see more than one movie a month or want to. Guess who isn't going to sign up for this? Everyone who doesn't or doesn't want to. The only way this was a money making enterprise is if they got a lot of people to sign up who didn't watch movies very often and most people just aren't that stupid.

    Anybody who put money in any long term manner into such a ridiculously conceived business is too stupid to deserve the money they lost. They might as well have given it to a Nigerian prince.

    • Why does this company get so much media attention?

      Because few companies make a business plan of actively trying to get stabbed in the heart with a wooden steak and then having people throw salt on the corpse while chanting and holding a bible.

      I mean I've seen self destructive practices now, but at this point the question is do they file for chapter 11 by themselves, do they file because the cinemas come collecting, or do they file because of a class action.

    • by Cederic ( 9623 )

      Remember the company that wanted to make a business out of home delivery of pet food and even aired super bowl commercials?

      No. Was it this one? https://www.petplanet.co.uk/se... [petplanet.co.uk]

      This one? https://fetch.co.uk/ [fetch.co.uk]

      Maybe this one? https://www.zooplus.co.uk/ [zooplus.co.uk]

      Perhaps one of these?
      https://www.bitiba.co.uk/ [bitiba.co.uk]
      https://www.pet-supermarket.co... [pet-supermarket.co.uk]
      https://www.monsterpetsupplies... [monsterpetsupplies.co.uk]

      Or maybe there is a market there, and well run companies with appropriate business understanding can sustainably meet customer needs and make a profit by servicing it.

      Much like the film market. People want to watch films, someone offered a deal that let them see a lot of films very cheaply, they got excited about it and the media noticed lots of excited people.

      If anything the unsustainable business model merely increased the media interest. People like a bit of drama, like a popular service predictably breaking.

    • by Ramze ( 640788 )

      The only prayer for them to survive was to have such a vast membership that they could mine them for data to sell and/or control the flow of people to movie theaters in such a way that they became the middle-men that theaters would have to partner with and give discounts towards.

      They knew they were going to burn through a LOT of cash before that scenario could happen, but they didn't have deep enough pockets to actually make it happen. They came close at one point.

      Not only was the business model so shady t

      • by skam240 ( 789197 )

        "The only prayer for them to survive was to have such a vast membership that they could mine them for data to sell and/or control the flow of people to movie theaters in such a way that they became the middle-men that theaters would have to partner with and give discounts towards."

        That's only possible if theaters figure out a way to monetize whatever data they might get from them which is not a guarantee at all. Really they'd have to be able to make a shit ton of money off user data to make up for the neces

  • Pray they don’t alter it any further.

  • by WilliamGeorge ( 816305 ) on Saturday August 25, 2018 @09:08PM (#57195174)

    AMC Stubs A-List. If you aren't familiar, it is AMC's own version of a subscription plan, and at more survivable pricing. $20 a month for 3 movies a week, for yourself only, with no blackouts or limits on the type of movie (3D, Imax, etc). If you watch even 2 movies a month it should break even, and anything more nets you a savings... while it isn't so dirt cheap that it will kill AMC. I would love it if they'd add an upgrade for another, say, $10 a month that would allow you to use the 3-per-week to cover others (as long as you were with them)... but that may be more niche than they want to go, or it might not be justified price-wise. If I take my family to the movies, AMC still gets a lot of month (wife + 3 kids) even if my ticket is already covered under the A-List plan. Plus any food we buy. I don't think AMC would have come up with this idea if it weren't for the competition from MoviePass.

  • I swear every time I hear something about this company it keeps getting worse and worse.

    I fully expect that in another month or two they'll be charging you $50 per month and you can only watch a single movie a month that you still have to pay full price for. Any additional viewings you have to pay full price and a $15 fee back to Moviepass . . .

  • I bought an annual plan last March. I see a LOT of movies. Made my money back in about 6 weeks. Have dramatically exceeded my investment in subsequent savings. If I still get 3 movies a month, I'll STILL make $$$ compared to not having it, since I will for-sure see those 3 movies - I see 3 - 5 movies a week depending on new availability and whether I want to see a particularly good movie a 2nd or more times. OK, I'm retired and have the time, and I'm ancient and get the senior price. But even und

  • "Unlimited movies - any movie, any time."
    ...but now only 3 movies a month, not 30. And only certain movies are available, our choice. And when everybody really wants to go, we'll tell you to pick another time. And if you already paid and want what you paid for and what we promised when we took your money, fuck off, because our business model was a lie and we'll be dead soon anyway. It's your fault for actually trying to use the service you paid for, you freeloaders.

    It did indeed sound too good to be true
  • This has been the issue with annual subscriptions as a whole for services for such as MoviePass for some time now. Amazon has even moved to a month-to-month basis on subscription services as a more viable solution for subscription services.

  • How could MoviePass receive a profit from every customer? Selling articles and events (at a profit) to each one of their own customers.

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