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'Suicide Squad' Director Urges DC and Marvel Fans To Stop Feuding (cinemablend.com) 95

Posted by EditorDavid from the worst-heroes-ever dept.
An anonymous reader quotes Cinema Blend: At the beginning of 2019, approximately a half year after James Gunn was unceremoniously fired from Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, it was officially confirmed that he'd be jumping to the DC universe to write and direct The Suicide Squad. Then, just two months later, Disney and Marvel reversed course and rehired Gunn to helm Guardians 3, though because he boarded The Suicide Squad in that interim period, he's tackling that DC tale first and then will jump back to the Marvel Cinematic Universe

Even though he's now working with the MCU's chief rival on the superhero movie front, James Gunn has revealed that the folks over at Marvel Studios are incredibly supportive of him working on The Suicide Squad for DC, and Gunn is advocating that DC and Marvel fans follow suit and stop feuding with one another about these companies...

"As I've said so many times, at the end of the day, Marvel & DC fans have a lot more in common than they do not. I am now & have been for almost all my life, both. Maybe you like one more than the other - that's cool - but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy them all or that you have to tear the other down. I know I & my partners at both Marvel & DC believe what's good for one studio is generally good for all: spurring each other on daily with heartfelt, spectacular & innovative entertainment that keeps audiences around the world loving movies based on or inspired by sequential art..."
Meanwhile Joker, the newest film in the DC Extended Universe, set a new box-office record for a film opening in October, beating the record previously set by Marvel's Spider-Man spinoff Venom.

Rotten Tomatoes currently shows Joker with an average critic's rating of 69%, placing it behind Dreamworks' Abominable, as well as Ad Astra, Hustlers, the Downton Abbey movie, and Judy -- but with a much higher audience score of 91%.
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  • "'Suicide Squad' Director Urges Stupid People to Stop Being Stupid"

    • Re:More like (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Sunday October 06, 2019 @10:38PM (#59277244)

      "'Suicide Squad' Director Urges Stupid People to Stop Being Stupid"

      People are not as stupid as he claims.

      I know plenty of people that enjoy superhero movies. But I know no one who only likes Marvel superheroes and dislikes DC, or vice versa.

      The "feud" is fake news, made up by the studios' PR departments to generate publicity.

      • WTF? How long have you been on the internet? Marvel v. DC isn't quite iphone vs. Android or console vs. PC, but of all the stupid nerdy bullshit on the internet that people fight about, it's definitely way up there on the list.
         

        • It ceased to exist once the 21st century came about. The internet comic book "feuds" are only being maintained by codgers from the 20th century.

      • Maybe by feud he means 'well deserved reputation.' I like Marvel, and I like DC, but let's not pretend that they've been putting out movies of equal quality. Suicide Squad was basically a halfhearted knockoff of Guardians of the Galaxy, just like Superman vs Batman was riding on the coattails of Avengers: Civil War. I don't thik your average movie-goer really cares, and as far as most fans of the superhero go, we don't care either. Most of the DC movies just suck, and they were rushed, and derivative, a

        • Marvel for movies, but DC for TV series, for all the crap movies DC has made, the TV series make up for them ;)

        • Pretty much this. I would like to like them both equally, but DC movies just generally aren't that great.

          Some exceptions:
          *The Dark Knight trilogy was pretty good! But that magic seems to be gone from Batman anything. I mean, probably the best recent Batman is the Lego movies! Go figure.
          *Wonder Woman was also an exception.
          *Shazam! was a surprisingly fun movie.

          They seem to do much better adapting their material to TV than Marvel, though.

          • Pretty much this. I would like to like them both equally, but DC movies just generally aren't that great.

            Some exceptions:
            *The Dark Knight trilogy was pretty good! But that magic seems to be gone from Batman anything. I mean, probably the best recent Batman is the Lego movies! Go figure.
            *Wonder Woman was also an exception.
            *Shazam! was a surprisingly fun movie.

            They seem to do much better adapting their material to TV than Marvel, though.

            Basically, the movies that Zach Snyder directed (most of the DCEU) have tended to suck. The non-Zach Snyder movies tended to be better movies. Suicide Squad is an outlier there, surely. But the Lego movies were fun, Wonder Woman was good, I've heard good things about Shazam. The Green Lantern, uhh.. not so much, but that's really pre-DCEU. :-D

        • Suicide Squad was basically a halfhearted knockoff of Guardians of the Galaxy,

          Only to the financiers of SS. To the "fans", it was supposed to be a slightly engaging comic book story cast in a dark, cynical, heavily anti-hero theme, that was then subverted by said financiers into a non-dark, non-cynical, anti-hero-lite action movie, the way David's sister got transmogrified to Lenny in Legion; accompanied by an analogous sense of disgust and horror.

          just like Superman vs Batman was riding on the coattails of Avengers: Civil War.

          In the comic books, the Civil War storyline was in 2007, while the Superman vs Batman thing was done in 1986 (and probably earlier), so w

      • Oh no there is a feud, but it is between DC fans and the studios destroying their childhoods. Marvel fans just sit and laugh at the incompetence.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by DrXym ( 126579 )
        Bad reviews of superhero movies have often garnered death threats from loony fanbois. More ordinarily, making a mild but critical comment about an upcoming movie (e.g. on Twitter or YouTube) can attract raging shit posts. I've been on the receiving end of some of these myself and it amuses me no end.

        There are people SO emotionally invested in these movies and the comics, that any slight or criticism is perceived as a personal attack and they lash out the only way they can. It's not just Marvel vs DC of co

        • Re: (Score:3)

          by Holi ( 250190 )
          Name me anything that doesn't garner death threats these days, it seems to be the default response for a large percentage of Americans.
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      • > People are not as stupid as he claims.

        You've _never_ see people *get killed* over a stupid soccer game before??? Or run in front of a bull??? Or beat the living shit out of each other for money???

        > But I know no one who only likes Marvel superheroes and dislikes DC, or vice versa.

        Have you been sleeping under a rock and _completely_ missed the 80s and 90s??? There have always been fanbois saying their side is the greatest thing ever and the other side is crap. People ALWAYS get into idiotic, pointl

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by skam240 ( 789197 )

        Sigh... I said "stupid people" to stop being stupid not "people are stupid". There very much is a rabidly nerdy subset of each comic publishers fan base that hate each other and that does in fact make them stupid. As with all things, just because you haven't personally experienced them doesn't mean they don't exist

      • And actually (sorry for the second post) I just realized what you said here actually meant,

        "I know plenty of people that enjoy superhero movies. But I know no one who only likes Marvel superheroes and dislikes DC, or vice versa.".

        These are all based off comic books which you very clearly don't know anything about if you or anyone else chiming in on this thread thinks this dates to the movies. The DC vs Marvel fan rivalry has been around since before the internet and the fact that you both exclusively menti

      • The "feud" is fake news,

        Yes, the feud doesn't exist, but it wasn't their PR departments that made it up.

        There was a feud of sorts, imposed by both comic book companies, back in the 1970's, when they were competing for limited consumer (kids) dollars. (It also was a handy way of locking up creative talent to one company, which ended up being "branding".) Finally, the audience was more susceptible to "branding" back then. But this segregation evaporated when the comic book economics evaporated in the 2000's.

        Win/lose competition o

  • Fans? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Wait... those aweful, predictable, print-and-repeat movie series have fans?!
    What kind of world are we living in?

    • ...awful, predictable, print-and-repeat movie series...

      People eat McDonald's and listen to Beyonce. I suppose people like the familiar.

    • The kind of world where people can't enjoy anything and have to hate on everything just to feel alive.
       
      It's also the kind of world where we can't let others enjoy things we don't like or understand because different is scary and bad.
       
      Finally, it's the kind of world where people don't know how to properly spell awful. Perhaps you meant "awesome" instead.

    • You have ever seen a telenovela? Where every other month the same shit happens? And people watching it religiously for years?

      And you're asking that? These movies are basically telenovelas for nerds.

  • There Is No Rage (Score:3)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:11PM (#59277092)

    Like Comic Book Nerd Rage.

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      I think Marvel realized that and made movies that have broad appeal, with just enough stuff for the hardcore fans to keep them on-board. Star Wars is the same, the new movies might have upset the people who read all the Extended Universe novels and went to conventions dressed as the Millennium Falcon, but trying to please such a fickle audience is a recipe for disaster.

      DC's problem is Zack Snyder just isn't a good director. Now they have moved past him ruining their firms they are are finally getting some d

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by Holi ( 250190 )
        I don't know a single person who is still interested in seeing Star Wars. We are all in a late 40's and 50's and they just don't spark interest. Marvel movies on the other hand keep us happily entertained.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Fair enough, but just understand that you are in the minority. Those movies are some of the highest grossing ever, a lot of people went to see them.

      • Meh, Star Wars just lost its way. Threw out all progress the rebellion made and essentially shitcanned the Jedi with some idea of making the "few people fighting a pervasive evil empire" the permanent state.

        All they really had to do was adapt the Thrawn trilogy and let the universe actually progress, but as it is, I'm pretty much out on Star Wars.

  • We are Hardwired (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spasmodeus ( 940657 ) on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:12PM (#59277098)

    This is just another example of humans' amazing ability to get savagely tribal about the most pointless, inconsequential crap imaginable.

    • Re:We are Hardwired (Score:4, Funny)

      by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:23PM (#59277116)

      Tell me about it - I work with university faculty every day.

    • This is just another example of humans' amazing ability to get savagely tribal about the most pointless, inconsequential crap imaginable.

      HEY there Mister.... I don't like your tone, OR your toner. This towns' not big enough for both of us AND your laser printer, so why don't you act like your sucko printer and just jam out'a here?

    • Or perhaps driven by people's desire to "belong" somewhere, expressed through a minimal group effect [wikipedia.org]? Doesn't matter much which group you're in, as long as you're in a group.

      So for people who (for example) just aren't in a mood to discuss more practical or important subjects: just pick something unimportant to bicker about. Make arguments against group B that's convincing enough for group A to 'take you in', and from there on you have a group you 'belong' with. Or at least you think so.

      If ind

      • Of course this is hardwired into humans as we are today. A few thousand years ago people who didn't fit in with the rest of the group either didn't eat or didn't manage to reproduce if they did manage to both keep themselves fed and safe from harm. The major problem is that most social groupings aren't exactly life-and-death anymore so, just like our stress responses being wrong for the modern world, so are our social ones (mostly). I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the outliers where failure to fit in doe

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Viol8 ( 599362 )

        "Or perhaps driven by people's desire to "belong" somewhere"

        SOME peoples need to belong somewhere. Not all of us feel incomplete and isolated if we don't join some or other cretinous mooing herd.

    • > ability to get savagely tribal about the most pointless, inconsequential crap imaginable

      Yes, but also to be convinced to do so.

      You don't see any of this nonsense among people who only go see 20th Century Fox films vs. those who will only go see MGM films and decide all the Sony Pictures films are complete shit.

      This just makes Marvel vs. DC people look like morons who can be convinced to chant "Hulk Bad", "Red Sox Bad", "Mexicans Bad", "Orange Man Bad", etc.

      So much for the smart/nerdy comicbook reader

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by sconeu ( 64226 )

        Except that the Red Sox actually are bad. And their fans are worse.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by tepples ( 727027 )

        You don't see any of this nonsense among people who only go see 20th Century Fox films vs. those who will only go see MGM films and decide all the Sony Pictures films are complete shit.

        From when the US Congress passed the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 to when U.S. copyrights finally started expiring again in 2019, some people such as myself were dismissing all films published by Walt Disney Company subsidiaries.

  • to review, comment and talk about SJW movies.
    Freedom of speech, freedom of the press.
    Make a full SJW movie, expect the "fans" to review it as such.

  • They can all go to hell (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The consumerism of this story is absolutely disgusting.

    And watching you comic book fags argue who gets to have the pedo director is exactly what I expect from you wankers.

  • Rotten Tomatoes has critics? (Score:3)

    by JackAxe ( 689361 ) on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:29PM (#59277126)
    More like political Ideologues and shills. I only care about the user reviews on RT.
    • Never understood why people looked at Rotten Tomatoes scores (at least critics score), they NEVER match with what most people think of a movie, IMDB scores generally are much better. Critics seem somehow butthurt when a good movie has a general audience appeal and have to shoot it down, because $DEITY forbid you good acting, good directing and good plot in a popular movie.

      • I think the problem here is that people don't understand what the RT score means. It's not an average, is the percentage of positive reviews. Just good or bad, binary, with no finer detail.

  • It's not Marvel vs. DC (Score:3)

    by SvnLyrBrto ( 62138 ) on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:52PM (#59277154)

    It's the MCU vs. the DCEU, or perhaps Kevin Feige vs. Zack Snyder. Either way, the former has done a much better job than the latter.

    Christopher Nolan, Tim Burton, and Richard Donner have all turned out fantastic DC movies. Even Bryan Singer did a reasonably decent job at a DC movie... better than Zach Snyder anyway. But DC didn't put any of them in charge of their current crop of movies, did they? They gave it to Zach Snyder; who hasn't had a good film since 300. And 300 really wasn't so much a good movie, as a collection of awesome one-liners and abs held together with a lot of oversaturated slow-mo. FFS... Snyder screwed things up so badly that not even Joss Whedon could fix it!

    • Don't forget the boobs in 300... If they let him put boobs in a super hero movie, it'll probably make up for any plot deficiencies...

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by The Rizz ( 1319 )

        I always thought that was funny. I'd read the comic before the movie was even announced (I've been a Frank Miller fan for years, even though his quality is a bit inconsistent) and when I saw the movie I thought it was weird that they took out dick, and added tits. I guess we know what target market Snyder was after...

        • Technically, dicks are genitals while tits are not, so the latter seems easier to legally sneak into a theatrical performance in many places.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by PCM2 ( 4486 )

          And yet, Snyder's "Watchmen" had so much swingin' blue dick that I had to wonder who that movie's intended audience was.

      • I thought "plot" has already been a euphemism for "boobs"?

        • I miss my plot in contemporary movies. It seems that today, movies have to do without plot to be acceptable to the masses, I miss the 80s when you might have had to look for the plot in a movie, but you could be sure that you would be rewarded if you took your time to search the movie for the plot.

      • Boobs? He put a giant blue dork in Watchmen.

  • Yeah, stop feuding. Both "universes" are crap. Crap writing, crap heroes, crap plots.

  • Honestly, I don't quite get this tribalism that's been going on. I understand liking one over the other, but how many people are really caring that much which company owns which property? Even in the geek community people only seem to know which is which half the time. This is really being blown out of proportion by a very few very vocal people online, and most people don't give a shit which company owns something, they only care if they're entertained by a movie and find it satisfying.

    Personally, I've alwa

    • This was my thought as well. In fact, have you actually ever met a die-hard "DC fan" or a "Marvel fan", rather than someone who just liked comic books from a variety of sources? Because I honestly can't recall any. I'm sure they're out there, but my guess is that they're not as common as one might suppose. Preferences, sure (Spiderman was my guy when I was a teen). Outright hostility to the other camp? Not so much, except in a silly schoolyard "my guy vs your guy" debate. I'd gladly read DC comics as

      • I was for a time a DC fan when they had the Vertigo series. Sandman and a few others. But those were comics completely unlike the Stupidhero comix from both publishers that are the stereotype.

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        • The only people I know who give a rat's behind about DC vs Marvel are under 12.

          No, the only people who gives a rat's ass about DC vs Marvel are 50+ year old emotionally defective adults who grew up in the tail end period when there was a "feud" of sorts.

          For the rest of people who will still admit to be entertained by comic book shows & movies, when we were kids, we only cared about the "characters", not which comic book franchise was better the other. I loved Batman, JLA, Legion of Superheroes, Flash, and the Atom, but loved Spiderman (more like SpiderTeen) and Captain Marvel. I

    • I don't think there's as much as we're led to believe.

      Some fans like to perform some mock rivalry, which is all in good fun. A few take it way too seriously, but I think they're the minority.

      The only Marvel series that even cracks my top 10 are Excalibur and Death's Head,

      Comics had a mini Renaissance in the late 1980's. I think when people were buying comics in bulk in expectation of future collectability, the industry had money to take risks. Also Death's Head probably benefited from being a Marvel UK p

    • 00's they couldn't make a decent movie

      Marvel's best movie (as far as I'm concerned) was Ironman, and that was back in 2008. Definitely still the "aughts".

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by The Rizz ( 1319 )

        True, but the rest of the 00s were pretty much crap for Marvel movies, so I'm casting it as an outlier, like the original Blade or Sam Raimi's Spider-Man.
        Iron Man really re-invented the concept of a Marvel Comics movie, so while it's technically in the 00s, it really is it's own thing. Much like Tim Burton's Batman, it's the start of a new epoch in Superhero movies, and feels separate from everything that came before (and almost anything else that still in production at the time, but release after it).

  • Feuding? (Score:3)

    by ChromeAeonuim ( 1026946 ) on Monday October 07, 2019 @12:07AM (#59277340)
    What's there to feud about, DC keeps screwing up and trying to catch up while Marvel has been pushing out consistently decent movies. It's less of a feud and more of wanting the DC movies to not such so much. I'd love to see a well done Justice League series, there's lots of great ways a DC universe could be done. Too bad we didn't get that.

    Suicide Squad tried real hard to be Guardians of the Galaxy, and I suspect the only reason it was made instead of making another Justice League character movie (ex Flash, Aquaman) was in an attempt to replicate GotG's success, but it fell short in every way. DC tried to make a knockoff, and they failed. Maybe if the DC movies sucked less than more people would like them.
    • Well if you call chewing gum for the brain a decent movie then you must be brainless sheeple. They are fucking kids movies.

  • People have had the most intense arguments about the subtlest of literary, procedural, and theological subtleties since the beginning of culture. Jonathan Swift described it well with the Lilliputians, who fought generations of religious warfare of the translation of a word in a holy book describing whether to eat a hard boiled egg from the small end or the big end first. We even see this in computer science with "little-endian" and "big-endian" architectures that list the most significant digit first, or l

  • Stop consuming whatever slop is dumped in your troughs. MPAA and RIAA are out to steal your liberty for their own increased profitability. When you go pay money to watch this regurgitated IP, you're paying for your own oppression. Please read a book, or better yet - go outside.

  • Then again, people have been killing each other over the question who has the cooler imaginary buddy, so I wouldn't deem it impossible.

    • Individuals can be smart or even compassionate, but when you zoom out to the group-level you see such moronic and selfish behavior it makes you wonder what makes us any better than any other mammal on earth. Our species, right now and through the next decade, is at a critical juncture where things can either get better for us or get extremely bad for us and this is what people choose to spend brain power doing. I'll be sure to be out of sight when the cannabalism starts.

  • It's DC fans vs the studios hell bent on destroying childhood dreams with largely uninspiring stories constant reboot attempts and just really, really crappy productions in every aspect.

  • They all suck (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Tried to watch "Endgame" but got tired of the slow-mo shots of the "heros" walking towards yet another "final" epic battle. :D
    The story was crap, like "let's kill some people and try so hard to win only to have the fantastic captain marvel(the one without any proper facial expressions) sweep in an save them with a blink of an eye with no effort". It was at that point I gave up on the piss poor story.
    I suppose that I am too old for that shit. :D

  • sorry? (Score:3)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:51AM (#59277920) Homepage Journal

    Power fantasy films coming from two different franchises and people have drawn battle lines? Isn't it enough to have a billion dollars worth of sequels dedicated to your particular kink?

  • Then tell DC to stop making movies that suck, either that or they should just stick to TV.
  • I watch and enjoy both DCU and MCU films. I also watch and enjoy both Star Trek Discovery and The Orville. I'm not going to let fanboys dictate my enjoyment of good entertainment.

  • Like he really cares (Score:3)

    by johnsie ( 1158363 ) on Monday October 07, 2019 @10:17AM (#59278718)
    All this guy cares about is putting bread on the table. People seem to think that people have these loyalties to movie franchises or sports team. They do it for a job to get money. That's it.

  • Dodger and Yankees fans. Can't you just agree, to disagree.

    and

    You Cowboys and Bears fans. Why can't we all just get along?

    • Who are the Dodgers? Didn't they move to California? Aren't they in the National league conference? Now bring up the Red Sox, and I can reminisce about a "rivalry"...

  • replaced by comic book superhero movies and TV shows. I'm wondering what will be the next big thing... Unicorns and rainbows? My Little Pony?

  • Meanwhile Joker, the newest film in the DC Extended Universe,...

    I just saw Joker last night, and I can confirm that this film has no bearing on the DC universe. The 'Joker' in this film is unrecognizable. This guy can barely seem to function through the whole film, but is suddenly suppose to be this criminal mastermind by the end. He simply looks depressed, smokes a lot, and does a weird dance from time to time.

    This was a film that simply slapped a popular name on it to get DC fans to go, and then made some random, boring psychological art-house drama instead. I

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