Why Is 'Birds of Prey' Suffering at the Box Office? (thewrap.com) 280
The Warner Brothers/DC film Birds of Prey "is proving not to be the February box office success industry observers had hoped," according to The Wrap:
After grossing $13 million on Friday from 4,236 screens, the film is now estimated to earn an opening weekend of $34 million, which would be the lowest start for a DC Comics adaptation since the $5.3 million opening of the box office bomb Jonah Hex in 2010.
Heading into the weekend, trackers had been projecting an opening weekend of $55 million while Warner Bros. was more conservative with a $45 million start... Reports on the budget for "Birds of Prey" have varied but have tended to be around $85-95 million.
"Oof. That's not what was wanted or expected," writes Cinema Blend. First of all, the title probably didn't help... Second, Birds of Prey is rated R. Suicide Squad, which gave Margot Robbie's Harley her big showcase, was rated PG-13. As Deadline noted, a lot of young Harley fans -- who loved the animated series and Suicide Squad -- may have been shut out by that rating...
People are also comparing Birds of Prey to Deadpool, which opened to $132,434,639 in February 2016. It may seem like apples to oranges, but they are both R-rated comic book movies opening in February.
Here's a humorous sidenote. At one point in the film, Harley Quinn asks herself what she could've done to offend Ewan McGregor's narcissistic character -- with one possible reason appearing for a split-second on the screen: "Voted for Bernie."
"We just snuck it in there," director Cathy Yan told the Washington Post.
"Oof. That's not what was wanted or expected," writes Cinema Blend. First of all, the title probably didn't help... Second, Birds of Prey is rated R. Suicide Squad, which gave Margot Robbie's Harley her big showcase, was rated PG-13. As Deadline noted, a lot of young Harley fans -- who loved the animated series and Suicide Squad -- may have been shut out by that rating...
People are also comparing Birds of Prey to Deadpool, which opened to $132,434,639 in February 2016. It may seem like apples to oranges, but they are both R-rated comic book movies opening in February.
Here's a humorous sidenote. At one point in the film, Harley Quinn asks herself what she could've done to offend Ewan McGregor's narcissistic character -- with one possible reason appearing for a split-second on the screen: "Voted for Bernie."
"We just snuck it in there," director Cathy Yan told the Washington Post.
Because of insufficient consumption of soy (Score:5, Insightful)
Because of insufficient consumption of soy by the male audience. Go woke get broke.
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Before we even talk about "get woke go broke" perhaps we should talk about how the product is simply mismarketed, since some viewers commented that the movie is not as woke as it's hailed to be. They're marketing a comic adaptation movie in way that traditional main target audience of comic movies find off-putting. Imagine if a Tiffany spend deca-millions to target its new perfume to "Macho Man" and explain why on fishing channels ads why manly man should use perfume and line flops, they can blame no one
Because It Is Bad (Score:5, Informative)
It's a bad movie.
A bad portrayal of Harley Quinn.
A bad portrayal of the other characters.
And it's literally about Ewan McGregor being gay and going on a villainous spree because his gay dick pics leaked.
If the movie were actually woke, he'd be the victim of revenge porn / non-consensual pornography.
Re: Because It Is Bad (Score:5, Informative)
The only redeeming factor of the film was that Harley has a pet hyena that does not even have a real role.
How is it that with 100 years worth of plot lines to work with, DC cannot find a single story line worth turning into a film?
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The entire story actually centered around a girl who could not poop fast enough. I repeat... the plot was... hold out until a teenaged girl poops.
I'm sorry, what?
Re: Because It Is Bad (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Because It Is Bad (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a superhero movie, not much plot require, I am getting the feel that it's more superhero burnout, just too much of it on stream, movies and tv series. It eventually had to happen. They are all nearly the same plot points just rearranged and recast and re-skinned. So a more average example is failing. Unless it is an excellent example of the genre it is likely to fail in future for a time.
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I am getting the feel that it's more superhero burnout, just too much of it on stream, movies and tv series. It eventually had to happen.
Superhero burnout is almost certainly not the answer to the failure of any movie. 3/5 of the top 5 grossing films of 2019 were superhero movies. 4/5 in 2018. Only 2/5 in 2017, but #6 & #7 were superhero movies. And the super hero craze has been going on for over a decade so it is lunacy to believe there is actual superhero burnout in 2020. People have been saying that for at least five years.
People don't go see movies without a compelling reason to do so. There is too much quality media out there. Movie
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NIH syndrome. They have to put their own stamp on it and Robbie could do that far easier with a bunch of lesser known characters than the major Batman characters which Harley actually teamed up with in the comics. Especially with Cat Woman there would have been limited design space because they'd have to coordinate it with The Batman.
WB/DC doesn't really do coordination. On the one hand it's admirable that each producer can do its own thing, on the other trying to do that with a shared continuum is kinda si
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Dude if you believe anything other than the name of the film from RT these days?
Yes I do, because the general consensus of views on Rotten Tomatoes tends to agree a lot with whether or not I like a movie and it has been an incredibly reliable frame of reference. You on the other hand are a nobody who I have no history with so we're going to have to go through a lot more verification before I buy your bridge.
I'm sorry people don't agree with you. But I'm happy your found a tinfoil hat that suits your fashion sense.
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And nothing really about that movie or any anticipation at all for it before it makes news because it flops.
One of the movies that's just makes one ask - why does it exist?
It is hot garbage? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:It is hot garbage? (Score:5, Funny)
Everything that can be said about the DC movie franchise was the reaction to the Wonder Woman movie: "Holy shit, they made a good movie... HOW?!"
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I'm pretty sure that most of the reason they churn out so many DC movies is that Marvel is pulling it off and they can't see why they can't too. I don't even watch the Marvel movies btw. But the DC people know they can't just "Marvel-ize" DC and get away with that without looking like also-rans so they're grasping around for a distinct formula, with little success. It's just their blind hope that they'll stumble on something that works.
Re:It is hot garbage? (Score:5, Insightful)
the DC people know they can't just "Marvel-ize" DC and get away with that without looking like also-rans
Except they literally could. Marvel and DC are so similar in so many ways, right down to a large number of the characters being literal rip-offs of characters from the other company. This hasn't hampered either side from putting their own twist on things, or achieving their own success in print, so why should film be any different?
The simple fact of the matter is that if DC got a competent project lead, competent writers and directors who actually have a feel for the characters, and god-forbid actually tried to use a tone for the movies that's right for the characters it wouldn't matter if it felt Marvel-y. Viewers want good movies, and could care less if it feels like it's taking inspiration from elsewhere as long as this movie is good.
Get a writer and director who actually have a feel for a character and let them set the proper tone and you end up with Joker. Let someone who doesn't give a shit about the characters take over and you get Batman v Superman and the rest of the garbage they've been dropping the last several years.
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How? They got rid of Zack Schneider and brought some decent talent in.
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I like Zack Schneider.
He favours spectacle but he is quite good at it. There's a level of honesty to his work.
300 was stylistic, Watchmen has one of the finest opening credits in cinema history and Sucker Punch has a complex multilayer story told through compelling imagery and a hell of a soundtrack.
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there is a slim chance they will start making good movies again.
I'll agree with that bit.
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There are clearly fake positive reviews on both meta critic and rotten garbage.
Ahhh yes the old "they don't agree with me so it must be fake" line.
The fact is rg has the review score pegged at something impossibly high was the first sign.
There's nothing "impossibly high" about it. On the critical review it's the lowest rating of movies opening this week. On audience review it's run of the mill.
As long as these things fail there is a slim chance they will start making good movies again.
There are plenty of good movies being made. Based on your opinions I'm happy they are being made instead of whatever the hell it is that you're after.
Never heard of it untill now (Score:5, Insightful)
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I never even heard of the movie until this article, thats why its loosing dollars.
In this case they certainly loosed the dollars. But I don't think they're calling them back again.
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They most likely gave it the advertisement budget they thought would optimize profit. So not hearing about it says something about their own assessment of its appeal.
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Re:Never heard of it untill now (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of the films with strong woman leads are heavy handed and just plain bad. Look at the original Alien for a strong female lead done properly. While not a lead role the last Mad Max also had a great strong woman.
Also, Orphan Black. (Score:3, Funny)
It is a prime example, of how you can have a great strong female lead character, with no need to snub any men or non-feminist women.
I use as a killer argument whenever some feminazi tries ye olde "you just discriminate against women yadda yadda". ... It's just you who's an evil fuck. ... ... I'm sorry, I know you don't approve of the swearing. Let me sort that: ... You're an evil eff star star ... cunT.
"Nah. I'd follow *HER* anywhere. She's cool.
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Here are the basic requirements for a strong female character.
- Has her own character arc, goals, and ambitions.
- Is not advertised as a "strong female character" or "first woman in X".
- Does not use the sexist cliches of "Watch as I show off in front of this strawman bigot" or "Watch as I beat the shit out of this man who is twice my size and five times as experienced because UTERUS POWER".
Re:Never heard of it untill now (Score:4, Insightful)
This. One hundred times this.
There are plenty of great movies with strong female leading roles. Not one that I remember makes it a point, however, that the lead actor is a woman. It just happens to be that way, and when you don't make a fuzz of it, people accept it happily.
No one has ever complained that Alien has a female hero. It fits the story, the acting is strong and the movie isn't about gender-politics.
Sure, Hollywood isn't exactly a poster-child for gender equality, but forgetting what the whole purpose of the whole thing is - making movies that people enjoy - and instead putting your social justice war front and center isn't going to win anyone over and will, in fact, do a massive disservie to the mission.
I stayed away from the Ghostbusters crap because it was so obviously a gender-swap gag. Captain Marvel has no such problem - because while it has its "strong women" moments, for most of the story you could make her a man and nothing would change. In other words: The movie isn't about gender politics. And while Wonder Women wasn't an especially strong movie, and a gender swap would have impacts on the storyline, again it doesn't shout in your face how it shows you strong women. It uses gender as part of the plot (the romance parts and the "but she's a woman" jokes that a perfectly period in a WW2 setting), but doesn't shove it down your throat.
I'll be watching Birds of Prey because I love the character and how Margot Robbie portrays her, and I liked how in the otherwise pretty weak Suicide Squad she does playfully use her gender as an asset.
There is an original reason. (Score:3)
Originally, there was, and often still is, the problem, that women were systematically made insecure by many industries, to sell them products. If you have a daughter or girlfriend or sister (or are a girl), you know.
And this started as basically compensating for that. Then overcompensating. Then cargo culting it. And then corporations smelling a trend and jumping onto it like your dad trying to talk and act like the youth to be "cool". Aka cringey.
Women themselves are appaled by now.
Those who started with
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Re:Never heard of it untill now (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah, the grandparent poster's viewpoint is a bit weird. It's the idea that film studios spend many millions of dollars making films, and video games, with female leads then they realize "omg there's girls in this" and they decide to destroy it. There's no evidence of this happening. They wouldn't spend $100 - 150 million on a film with a female lead if they didn't want to make it.
I recall an article point out that people were saying that for Captain Marvel, they hadn't spent as much money advertising it as male-lead movies, but they dug up the data and it wasn't any less. Saying that they *wouldn't* market a film they spend $170 million on is like saying corporations are allergic to making money. Just ain't true.
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There doesn't seem to be as much advertising for this movie, but probably due to it being R rated. That really limits the number of places you can advertise it. Like the OP I didn't even know it was out yet... In fact I didn't even know it was a movie, I thought it might be one of those Arrowverse spin-offs.
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What's left is the movie itself and the marketing. Haven't seen the movie itself (I go to the movie
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Re:Never heard of it untill now (Score:4, Insightful)
The stupidest thing is that I've never heard a man go, "I'm not watching that film, it has a female lead."
I've heard plenty of men and women go, "I'm not watching that film, apparently it's shit."
Make good films. People will watch them.
People Heeded His Warnings (Score:5, Informative)
https://boundingintocomics.com... [boundingintocomics.com]
https://boundingintocomics.com... [boundingintocomics.com]
Maybe lots of people simply heeded his warnings and stayed away.
Here's a humorous sidenote. At one point in the film, Harley Quinn asks herself what she could've done to offend Ewan McGregor's narcissistic character -- with one possible reason appearing for a split-second on the screen: "Voted for Bernie."
Haha yes, just a sidenote and not indicative of the core problem at all . . .
Re:People Heeded His Warnings (Score:5, Insightful)
Get woke, go broke. Funny thing is reviews from the "anti-woke" crowd actually agree the movie itself really did NOT end up being that woke. The problem is they advertised the fuck out of it being hyper-feminist / woke / whatever gender politics bullshit. They successfully chased off anyone who might have seen it.
Re:People Heeded His Warnings (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: People Heeded His Warnings (Score:3)
No, people see the trailers and the trailers are dripping with PC SJW bullshit and people are turned off by it.
Also, it's Harley Quinn, not the most interesting character in the universe, played by a rather stiff actor, and they're trying to shoehorn in a ton of other side female characters that don't really fit the narrative simply because they are female.
You can have strong female leads in action flicks, look at the Alien and Terminator franchises. But you need to build the characters around their feminin
Horrible trailer (Score:2)
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The character has been transforming into an anti-hero in the comic books. She used to be a competent psychiatrist, and got fascinated with the Joker's fascinating worldview and ultimate "bad boy" charm. Who among us who tries to be lawful and nice to people hasn't felt the temptation to be someone else?
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Buttigag go the other way around from Mayor to President candidate.
misandry (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:misandry (Score:5, Funny)
So says the member of the white heteronormative patriachical power structure. We're going to keep making bad movies with unappealing actors and bad plots with "correct" woke messages, delivered with the subtlety of bricks through plate-glass windows, until you feel appropriately ashamed of being cisgendered. We'll show you, no matter how broke we go!
Re: misandry (Score:2)
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We'll show you, no matter how broke we go!
I don't like Disney. So to show my displeasure, I bought some stock. Sorry, A stock. One share.
Every 6 months the send me stuff in the mail about how great things are. Every year they send me a giant $0.12 cent check. And every year I ignore all of it. I'm putting them out of business one mailer at a time -- those things are HEAVY and cost over a dollar to ship, never mind the great expense of a computer chugging along keeping track of my thousand of pennies they still owe me.
How am I donig? Are
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Did you see the movie Black Panther?
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If it was that bad then surely the Rotten Tomatoes score would have been mobbed by now. But it's sitting at 83%: https://www.rottentomatoes.com... [rottentomatoes.com]
Even the IMDB reviews, which are always hammered if there is even a hint of "wokeness" about it, are mostly focusing on the editing choices.
Re: misandry (Score:2)
I gave it a decent rating just because the special effects and scenery were top notch. It's a very forgettable movie though with a fairly shitty plot. Certainly not one worth rewatching.
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Oh please. Rotten Tomatoes never was a useful or reliable guide, and that was before they started deleting any user reviews that counter the narrative.
Anybody that gives them the slightest level of credence these days is doing themselves a disservice.
OBVIOUS (Score:5, Insightful)
Not that simple. (Score:2)
They are perfectly able to have no woke sexism at all, and create perfectly total crap still!
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Sarah Connor was a real feminist.
Get woke... (Score:5, Insightful)
Regarding women fighting ... (Score:3)
It's especially silly, given how you could take inspiration from how a woman would successfully win in reality.
By
0. Violent speech. (Like pushing those buttons that break the opponent's mind and make him blind and helpless.)
1. Screaming for help.
2. Playing the helpless victim.
3. Manipulating a bunch of dumb white knights into doing the dirty work.
4. Pulling all the strings.
5. Intrigate somebody to death with years of planning.
6. Poison him.
7. Set a trap.
8. Use the enemy's own strength against him.
It's not l
Clip from film says it all (Score:5, Informative)
Here's a clip from the film showing the quality of action you can expect. It looks like bad amateur wrestling. They're not coming anywhere close to making contact with the punches, and it looks absurd when these limp wristed attacks somehow send the men flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXZLgB6FXZU [youtube.com]
Aside from that, telling the primarily male audience that they're scum probably doesn't help.
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And I don't recall those Batman movies ever being this ridiculous... The comments under that YT clip agree.
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Here's a clip from the film showing the quality of action you can expect. It looks like bad amateur wrestling. They're not coming anywhere close to making contact with the punches, and it looks absurd when these limp wristed attacks somehow send the men flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXZLgB6FXZU [youtube.com]
Aside from that, telling the primarily male audience that they're scum probably doesn't help.
Jesus, that looks like a bad TV show. Good lord.
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This seems to be the primary criticism of the movie. Michael Bay style action sequences, silly and with too much going on to really follow anything.
This video about the master of on-film action, Jackie Chan, explains why most western fight sequences suck: https://youtu.be/Z1PCtIaM_GQ [youtu.be]
Downstream Impact (Score:2)
We're TIRED of it! (Score:2, Interesting)
How about a movie that actually *matters*, for a change? ... plastic.
Not just
Plastic stories, plastic people, plastic mindsets, plastic reasons, plastic "emotions". Empty "products".
Not something ultimately based on 30s-60s mindsets and trying to imitate Nazi Übersoldat propaganda and be a counter-agument to Soviet propaganda (and later, to itself).
Not trying to milk the same old "i.p." to death... and then some.
If you realite you're riding a dead horse... desce (Score:5, Funny)
Instead, the Content Mafia prefers other strategies:
* Get a bigger whip.
* Replace the rider.
* Say "We've always ridden the horse like that!"
* Launch a horse assessment committee.
* Travel to other places, to learn how they ride dead horses.
* Raise the quality standards for riding of dead horses.
* Launch a task force to resuscitate the dead horse.
* Insert a training unit, to improve riding skills.
* Undertake a comparison of differently dead horses.
* Change the critera that define if a horse is dead.
* Hire outside consultants to ride the dead horse.
* Combine several dead horses, so they'll become faster.
* Declare: "No horse can be so dead, that you can't still whip it"
* Leverage further resource to omprove the horse performance.
* Make a study, to see if there are cheaper consultants.
* Buy something, that makes dead horses run faster.
* Declare, that our horse is "better, faster and cheaper" dead.
* Create a quality circle, to find a usage for dead horses.
* Rework the performance conditions for horses.
* Create an independent cost center for dead horses.
I'm kidding. Just blame sea-faring thugs and snort more cocaine.
If you realize you're riding a dead horse, descend (Score:2)
PROTIP: Proof-read the subject too! And count the characters.
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Because (Score:2)
Guys, I got it! It's like blacksploitation movies! (Score:2)
Remember? That time when every idiot and his dog made a movie to "appeal" to black people, no matter how shitty, because it was considered "in" and they wanted to milk it.
This is that, but "for" women.
(I'd argue, at best, in an insulting way.)
See that Bubble? (Score:2)
Oh wait... it has burst.
All {good/bad/awful} things must come to an end.
I have to admit that I got bored with this franchise a long time ago. I'm almost at the stage of preferring to read a good book than watch another sequel/prequel/offshoot/whatever that Hollywood throws out. It is almost as if we are back in the days when they'd churn out 50+ Westerns a year. That bubble didn't last and neither will this one.
Villain votes for Bernie, news at 11! (Score:3)
I wonder how "Voted for Trump" would have done. Made the female power base who doesn't go to these movies anyway not go to it even more?
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Politically stupid. (Score:4)
The issue isn't politics. The issue is stupid political bullshit. There are countless examples of politics done well in fiction. Star Trek TNG alone has probably dozens of examples. Fallout: New Vegas is itself one giant example.
I think the biggest thing that separates good political stories from bad is that the side the authors don't agree with is treated as a legitimate perspective. For example, Commander Bruce Maddox in "The Measure of a Man" isn't a cartoon villain bent on hacking up Data, he's a researcher who wants to help create a new race... while being blind to the servitude he would be dooming that race to. Even Data himself at the end says he looks forward to seeing the results of his further research. Likewise, in Fallout: New Vegas, the Legion are seemingly about as close to comically evil as you could get... but if you actually side with them, youf ind Caesar is pretty well-read and pragmatic, going into a lot of philosophy about why he thinks he's right and what he hopes to achieve by taking the NCR (namely, the transformation of the Legion into something that also contains the good parts of the NCR). The developers actually said they wanted to show even more perspective on the Legion (like the difference between their fighting force in the Mojave and the actual civilization they have in the east), but it was cut due to time constraints.
A lot of the political stories that end up flops like this one aren't just political, they're just outright dumb. Nobody wants to be bashed in the face with a story about how the benevolent Bemocrats are being oppressed by the stupid, violent Pepublicans. That's the same dumb, one-sided drivel we get in Facebook comments and is about as informative. Political stories aren't inherently bad but if you only bother to flesh out your own side and just make the other side straight-up villains with nonsensical or comically evil motivations, your story is unlikely to resonate with anyone outside of the small number of people who are as obsessed over your brand of politics as you are.
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LOL! It's a bomb, dude. No profit for this one, not by a longshot.
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Rotten Tomatoes gives Birds of Pray an 81% critic approval and 83% audience approval rating.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com... [rottentomatoes.com]
From what I've heard it's a pretty good movie. But I haven't heard much, the advertising for it has been fairly minimal it seems. I didn't even know it was out yet, I thought it was coming later this year and they were just starting to tease it with the main build up in a few months.
The R rating may be the reason, that limits the amount of advertising you can do.
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As for Birds of Prey, I've heard it's a rather... 'eh' movie. Not meh, not 'omg feminazi slogans everywhere', but not great. Just an 'average enjoyable movie night'...which, considering the dreck hollywood has spewed out recently, is al
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Rotten Tomatoes gives Birds of Pray an 81% critic approval and 83% audience approval rating.
None of which counters the fact that it's a bomb. There are plenty of highly rated movies that have lost money at the boxoffice.
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Sure, I wasn't suggesting it wasn't a bomb, just that it's not because it's a really bad movie or anything like that.
Re: cry me a river (Score:2)
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a 30+ million opening on a 90 million budget is great
No it's really not. It's a clear sign that your movie is going to lose a lot of money. The budget is the cost of making a movie, and does not include distribution, promotion or overheads. In a month or two that number will be positive and the studio will have lost a lot of money on the movie.
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Hollywood's accounting is so dodgy, it's hard to say if a movie it actually turning a profit or not.
Re:cry me a river (Score:5, Informative)
According to Hollywood, none of their movies ever make a profit no matter how ludicrously successful they are. For example, check out the Wikipedia page on "Hollywood Accounting" where you find these gems:
According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi, despite having earned $475 million at the box office against a budget of $32.5 million, "has never gone into profit"
Winston Groom's price for the screenplay rights to his novel Forrest Gump included a 3% share of the profits; however, due to Hollywood accounting, the film's commercial success was converted into a net loss, and Groom received only $350,000 for the rights and an additional $250,000 from the studio.
A Warner Bros. receipt was leaked online, showing that the hugely successful movie Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix ended up with a $167 million loss on paper after grossing nearly $1Bn. This is especially egregious given that, without inflation adjustment, the Harry Potter film series is the second highest-grossing film series of all time both domestically and internationally, second only to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 remains highest-grossing movie ever for Warner Bros. The Hollwyood accounting in the Harry Potter case included a $60M interest charge on a $400M budget over 2 years - an interest rate far higher than industry standard - as well as high distribution and advertising fees paid out to Warner Bros. subsidiaries and sister companies.
Re: cry me a river (Score:2)
Not sure if they planned to release it it China, but if they do Corona virus will take a bug bite out of the box office haul there, impacting its foreign haul.
Re:cry me a river (Score:4, Informative)
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reminding me of Kill BIll Part 1
It reminded me of Tank Girl
It reminded me of ...
Actually, I've never even heard of this movie.
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Your comment reminds me of this old meme from fark https://i.imgur.com/ZiHc8rf.jp... [imgur.com]
Re:The problem is the star. (Score:5, Insightful)
Ironically, Wonder Woman was a pretty decent movie, probably the best since the Christian Bale Batman, There was a lot of SJW hype around it, but the movie itself was pretty good, and Gal Gadot doesn't go out of her way to lecture you on why you should like it.
Virtually all the others are just dismal, to the point you cannot imagine how they got past the dailies. BAtman has always been grim and creepy, and mentally ill, but Superman is ridiculously goofy and corny, they took him seriously as a heart attack.
Compare the DC movies to the Marvel - they have their moments, but for the most part, everyone involved seems to recognize how fundamentally ridiculous the whole thing is, and there have been at least 5 outright superhero comedies in 15 or so movies.
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I also kind of like the gritty rough style of Wolverine by Hugh Jackman.
But I think that in order to get a good movie it's important to put some personality into the actors - give them a background, let the movie build up on its own and don't try to re-make something people already have seen multiple times.
Who needed a re-make of Karate Kid? And who needs a movie about a pretty uninteresting sidekick? I'm almost expecting Disney to make a movie about Salacious B. Crumb just because they can.
Re: The problem is the star. (Score:2)
Hmm, different tastes. I always preferred those women who were closer to androgynity. Felt more kinky.
Without even a hint of manliness though. That would instantly kill it.
I think she's ugly though. Can't stand her face nor her look.
Feels like a cross of a lesbian and a punk girl with a touch of circus gipsy. Aka deliberately made ugly, but with mismatching random color highlights.
Re: The problem is the star. (Score:2)
Re: The problem is the star. (Score:2)
Didn't you get the memo? It's not nice to call them fruits.
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Re: Everyone As Tired As I Am? (Score:3)
You know I wouldn't mind a bit the female action star that kicks the guy's ass IF AND ONLY IF they get a believable female for the part, see Vasquez in aliens or Michelle Rodriguez when she was jacked.
For a more recent example check out Gina Carano in The Mandalorian. Absolutely fucking fantastic casting choice there.
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Re:America, please stop with the politics. (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of America doesn't give a flying fuck about the political bullshit. That is 100% Hollywood inserting this garbage into every single project they touch the last couple years.
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The stupid gyrations of superhero fights can be done just as well by women as by men. And if there are "real" superpowers, all bets are off.
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It confuses me. I don't do comic books (I prefer writing, not pictures) so I don't know the historic characters but Harley Quin as depicted in Suicide Squad was a 'no fucks given' woman secure in her sexuality and absolutely determined that she share it with only one man.
That's a character I can identify with. That's a character that can lead a movie, and doesn't need to plot for world domination, or need to have magical 'never get hurt' abilities, or need to be insecure about being female, or need to demon
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I know, right. Who on a site for nerds could have the remotest interest in comic book characters or cinema.
Totally missing the audience here.