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'Meme Stock' Rally Rescues AMC Theaters From $600 Million Debt (polygon.com) 75

This week's bizarre "meme stock" rally, which has delivered lottery-like windfalls for holders of GameStop stock, also wiped out $600 million in debt owed by the AMC theater chain. Polygon reports: That's because, on Wednesday, a private equity firm named Silver Lake -- and private equity firms are popularly considered the "bad guys" in this snobs-versus-slobs drama -- elected to convert the corporate bonds it held into AMC Entertainment Holdings stock. Although the theater chain's stock price has tumbled and soared since the move, the debt relief is permanent. Just Monday, AMC was warning investors that "there is substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern."

Wiping out more than half-a-billion dollars in debt, though, should take a lot of pressure off AMC in the short term. "A week ago, it was not crazy to think this company was doomed," Bloomberg's Matt Levine wrote on Thursday. "Now it is entirely possible that it will survive and thrive and show movies in movie theaters for decades to come because everyone went nuts and bought meme stocks this week."

Yet, by converting their AMC debt holding to AMC stock, the Silver Lake equity firm has gotten hurt by a falling stock price, too. The conversion price for the bonds Silver Lake held was $13.51; Silver Lake cashed in on Wednesday, when AMC's shares ended the day at $19.90, more than 400% better than the day before. Smart move, right? Well, AMC's share price at publication time Friday was about $15 -- but it closed Thursday at $8.63. So, unless Silver Lake found some other sucker to buy the stock before it bottomed out, they've been riding a roller coaster that at best has them about 5% to 7% ahead of their original position, with no guarantee of staying there.

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'Meme Stock' Rally Rescues AMC Theaters From $600 Million Debt

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  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @07:50PM (#61007620) Homepage Journal

    Is you tell your broker to cash out any time the rollercoaster goes above a certain height. You can have zero idea how low and high a stock will go, but if you're confident it will swing back and forth long enough for you to sell then you can make money.

    • The other difference is that by getting all that debt paid off, and becoming a more viable business, the stock may well go higher now.

      Disclaimer - I have a whole 4 AMC stocks that I bought to enjoy the rollercoaster!

      • The AMC thing is huge, a huge deal for them and a huge surprise for everyone. Getting debt and interest payments off the books is a shot in the arm for them. It's a real second chance for their business and I hope they make the most of this opportunity, it's like winning the lottery.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          And at least AMC employs people, even if they don't pay much. Those hedge funds that are paying for all this are just a bunch of rich arseholes who tried to cheat the system as soon as they began to lose.

          • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

            I was going to say, of all the corporations that could have become accidental beneficiaries of the short squeeze, this one is pretty innocuous. They have been (and continue to be) slapped around by the pandemic, and all this does is keep them from bleeding out a little while longer. If that means we have movie theaters to visit in a year, that's a side effect I can live with.

        • Yes, it's so great that the entertainment cartel will be able to continue to force its outdated and inconvenient business model of delaying streaming releases until new movies have had their initial run in a cinema. GameStop may also be a relic of earlier times, but at least there's no bullshit gaming industry scheme which forces games to be released in retail stores before they're available to download on Steam. Hell, if that kind of protection racket existed for GameStop, they'd probably be doing just f

          • That aspect has more to do with studios and the film copyright holders than it does with theaters. Collectively the theaters negotiate to try and get the best deal for their business. But ultimately they are at the mercy of what the biggest film studios decide.

          • by ghoul ( 157158 )
            Maybe Gamestop should negotiate that. After all they do own the patents which make game controllers possible . they could shutdown Sony and Microsoft's console business. A 14 day store only release before online sales are allowed. That would revitalize the company. They could pay MSFT and SNE in GME stock for the privilege
      • I have a whole 4 AMC stocks that I bought to enjoy the rollercoaster!

        I recently purchased 1 art. Would you be interested in trading your 4 AMC for my 1 art?

        • How many informations can you provide? And how many musics? I will require at least two softwares and three hardwares as well.
      • by Shimbo ( 100005 )

        The other difference is that by getting all that debt paid off, and becoming a more viable business, the stock may well go higher

        It makes AMC more viable, so the stock will likely end up higher in long run than before the fun. However selling a pile of stock won't help with squeezing the shorters.

    • Is you tell your broker to cash out any time the rollercoaster goes above a certain height. You can have zero idea how low and high a stock will go, but if you're confident it will swing back and forth long enough for you to sell then you can make money.

      This is actually an interesting case where the debt holders (Silver Lake) took advantage of such a swing. They were receiving just under 3% in interest [businesswire.com], with the right to convert into equity, which in this case is turning out pretty valuable. Even if AMC goes bankrupt (and they may, because they still have at $10B in other debt and not a lot of income), Silver Lake will likely have been able to sell at least some of that equity for cash, rather than watching all 600MM dwindle to 0.

      In contrast, institutio

  • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @07:52PM (#61007630)

    I mean to anyone who knew what was going on, it always was. But now it's official. :)

    • by dmay34 ( 6770232 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:22PM (#61007708)

      No, they made shorting a stock a lot more risky.

      Good.

      • Are the hedge fund houses publicly traded? Can we short THEIR stock?
        • by dmay34 ( 6770232 )

          Yeah, actually some are. You would have been in a better position to do so this time last week.

        • Are the hedge fund houses publicly traded? Can we short THEIR stock?

          I can't help but feel like you might have missed the lesson here

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        Amen. It's a bit crazy that the hedge funds would go nuts shorting like they did on Gamestop. You'd think they'd be worried a rival fund would take them out.

      • by Tom ( 822 )

        This. It took only 20 years for us to learn that.

        Shorting isn't new. I briefly worked in a stock trading company 20 years ago, and it was at that time that a guy from the USA branch came over to tell us that all the cool boys trade shorts these days because that's fast money.

        20 years ago.

        You can imagine I wasn't surprised in the least by the financial crisis. It was always coming, the only question was when and in which dress. That it was the mortgage market I didn't predict because I hadn't been following

        • This so much^. So many people saying that this is bringing light to Wall Street corruption or that politicians need to get involved in regulation. It’s nonsense. You tactically assess the weak spot in the whale, then you harpoon it to social media memes, reel it in and slaughter it whole. We will get these people to stop when they see their ex friend as an ex billionaire crying on TV about how it’s so unfair and the $1400 check won’t cover the losses. They will change their behavior,
          • by Tom ( 822 )

            We will get these people to stop when they see their ex friend as an ex billionaire crying on TV

            Nah. We will get these people to stop by bancrupting them and destroying their business model. At least that's what I am hoping for.

            • This is projected to mint as many as 80 to 100 new billionaires, money equivalent. The dip in all the markets on Friday over to today is the collective retracting balls in how close they got to being financially severed. The market won’t forget this day, pretty much ever.
        • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

          The lesson here isn't even "don't short", it's "don't short yourself into a corner" which is what happens when you take so much that the remainder is a club that can be used against you. If they hadn't been so damn greedy and shorted to about half the degree that they did, there would have been far too many shares to buy up. The maximum win gets smaller, but they are no longer vulnerable to having the table flipped on them in the middle of the game.

          I think that's the change you're going to see out of this -

          • by Tom ( 822 )

            If they hadn't been so damn greedy and shorted to about half the degree that they did, there would have been far too many shares to buy up.

            There also wouldn't have been enough pressure on the stock price to virtually guarantee the profit.

            This game is not one of "we gamble on the stock price". The game is "we throw so much money at the problem that we can turn the stock price". That game is up now.

    • It doesn't really make sense to think of the "stock market" as a single entity and paint it all with the same brush. There's the trading market side of it, and shifty behavior from various brokers, but you don't have to deal with them much (or disreputable ones ever) unless you're actively trading.

      What you're really doing with stocks is buying a part of a company, and there are certainly business where it is no joke to be part owner of. The fact there's some crazy gambling in the corner going on really
  • by dmay34 ( 6770232 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:21PM (#61007704)

    I was asked this week how I thought the meme trading would affect the actual businesses. I said it basically wouldn't. This was all happening in the stock market outside of the actual businesses.

    I was clearly wrong. I did not see this coming. .

    • No, you weren't wrong, the story is bullshit.

      THe company is going to go bankrupt. That hasn't changed. This was not a loan that got paid off, which is what they write the story to sound like.

      A major holder of AMC's junk bonds converted their bonds to equity. That means when they file bankruptcy and reorganize, they're still out the $600M in equity, and their creditors lose $600 less. They can't issue new bonds anyway, because they're failing in the market. If it was a loan they got out of, their cash flow w

      • by Strudelkugel ( 594414 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @09:23PM (#61007838)
        It depends on what the terms of the convertible bonds were. If they got out of a toxic convert [thefreedictionary.com], they are in better shape. AMC is no longer paying interest on the bonds, so that expense is eliminated as well. But you are correct, AMC may have had to substantially increase the number of shares outstanding. Without knowing the details, there's no way of knowing how good or bad it was for the company.

        The CFO is going to have stories for the grandkids, though.
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          I wonder what they will do now. This cash doesn't change the fact that people are not going to the cinema due to the pandemic, and after things get back to some kind of normality there is a good chance that the landscape for movie releases has changed forever with home streaming getting a massive boost this year.

          Seems like if they want to survive they have to take this opportunity to change direction and reinvent their business.

          • by ghoul ( 157158 )
            During the pandemic the Tump adminsistration removed the 1930s regulation that movie studios cant own movie theaters. So now Disney can buy AMC and turn each movie theater into a mini Disneyland with disney characters in costume, video games in the lobby and merchandise for purchase. The movie will be the reason you go there but you would spend more money on the other stuff.
        • The conversion most definitely *does* increase the shares outstanding (dilution) but still probably good for long-term investors as the company is freed for expensive debt. The debt conversion is good because it's the equivalent of a secondary stock offering at very favorable prices and gives them the capital they need to operate.
          • by ghoul ( 157158 )
            The conversion also puts a floor under the price of the stock. Smart investors have said the company is worth at least 13 dollar per share (the conversion price) so it wont go below 13 long term. Every time shorties try to bring it below 13 , people will buy the dip.
            • I don't think so. We don't even know that Silver Lake still owns the stock. TFS implies that they "went for a wild ride" but, for all we know, they converted and sold immediately. If they did sell, that's more of a ceiling than a floor (i.e. Silver Lake sold at $19 implies that they don't think the stock is worth owing at $19)
      • by Cederic ( 9623 )

        That means when they file bankruptcy and reorganize, they're still out the $600M in equity, and their creditors lose $600 less.

        The point is that they no longer owe someone $600m.

        The equity is at this point pretty irrelevant. Either the company has a future or it doesn't, and improving their debt position by $600m increases its chances.

        They're not "out" the equity anyway. The other shareholders suffer a loss in their own shares' value due to the dilution but gain value due to the improved financials of the company. The potential dilution would have been known and would have been priced in anyway.

        So the company is in a clearly better

        • You ignored the substantive part of every point you attempted to reply to.

          Are you stupid? Or just really bad at communication? (Honest question)

          • by Cederic ( 9623 )

            That's odd. You posted utter bollocks and I pointed this out. I don't need to take your idiocy apart word by word, I provided quite enough context to demonstrate that the part I quoted was talking nonsense.

            Maybe I am bad at communication. I'm not used to trying to dumb things down so fucking far that even you can understand them.

  • Silver Lake was one of the big partners in taking Dell private. I'm sure they know what they're doing, but even if they didn't dump the stock immediately, losing a few hundred million won't be a disaster for them.

  • "meme stock"

    Sorry, you don't get paid for making up a new name for things. (although, you can apparently make a ton of money on Youtube even if you're a clueless idiot, influencing other clueless idiots. Strange times).
  • by FeelGood314 ( 2516288 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:48PM (#61007756)
    There are many legitimate reasons for shorts and other financial derivatives this is one of them, it reduces risk. Farmers do it all the time, they sell their crop ahead of time for a guaranteed price as opposed to waiting to sell it after the harvest. It isn't about maximizing your profit but about minimizing your risk. Normally a company like Silver lake would short a good percentage of the shares before converting. They are in the debt business not the stock trading business.. I doubt they shorted at $19. They might also have shorted a while ago at as low as $9, which might have been why AMC was so far shorted to start with. So if they shorted at $9 they only got 9/13.51 * 600 million or a little over $400 million. $400 is pretty good considering AMC was likely bankrupt and had no way of paying the full $600M back let alone $400M
    • by redback ( 15527 )

      Or they may have just seen a chance to trade $600m of debt that was starting to get stinky into stocks they could quickly offload.

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      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        It's not really unjust, it's a stupid game. And you know what you win for those....

        Investing is buying stock, bonds, whatever, in companies you expect to generate value. It's a positive sum game, with the expected positive return. "Trading", i.e. buying stocks, shorts, etc. for a fairly short term turnaround is pretty much a zero sum game. You might win, but only at the expense of someone else. If you keep doing it long enough (and don't go bust), you'll come out right where you would have been had you just

    • by tokul ( 682258 )

      Farmers are not shorting their sales. They are signing a contract to deliver specific amount of goods for a specific price in future. The only farmer's risk is their ability to manufacture those goods. Not their ability to find other seller who will sell same stuff at lower price at the time of delivery.

      If market participant's profit relies on price for stock to go down, they are speculating. It got nothing to do with risk reduction. You should not be comparing them to farmers. They might be on same market,

    • by ghoul ( 157158 )
      600 million was the amount to be paid back. Silverlake probably bought that debt for 200 million so if they got 400 million they made 100% in just 2 months. Companies with convertible debt are always highly shorted as the owners of the debt hedge themselves by selling the stock short. If their short is called they can convert the debt and use the stock to cover. This is why Tesla was highly shorted for a long time but some dumbasses didnt realize the shorting was just hedging not a commentary on its long t
  • that a bunch of Redditors could upset the apple cart to this extent. But it does point out, yet again, how utterly arbitrary, un-objective, and bullshit-ridden the stock market is. The fact that there's such a thing as a "unicorn IPO" tells you everything you need to know about the magical thinking involved.

  • Just so you know... its not obvious. AMC Theatres was acquired by the Wanda Group in 2012.
    • Re:China owns AMC (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) * on Friday January 29, 2021 @10:42PM (#61007940) Homepage Journal

      > Just so you know... its not obvious.

      Yeah, the owner of Wanda has a controlling interest on the board and is a member of the CCP.

      These people are taking their 'stimulus check' and using it to pay off debt of a CCP-linked company. Great Americans!

      • Its common knowledge that AMC is Chinese owned which is why the chauvinist Congress did not bail them out even though they were affected far more than Restaurants and Airlines. So 15 dollar per hour popocorn stand operators had to go on unemployment while 400K per year airline pilots got their entire salary paid by the taxpayer to sit on their asses. CARES act has been the biggest boondongle in the history of the country. Only 250 Billion went to the unemployed while 2 Trillion went to special interests and
  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @10:08PM (#61007882) Journal

    All stocks are meme stocks. It's just that some of the memes appear in the Wall Street Journal and on CNBC.

  • Private equity (Score:5, Informative)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @10:32PM (#61007922) Journal

    on Wednesday, a private equity firm named Silver Lake -- and private equity firms are popularly considered the "bad guys" in this snobs-versus-slobs drama

    Having worked with private equity firms, I do consider them the bad guys, in many ways. If one ever buys your company, start looking for a new job because nothing will get better.

  • by Ungrounded Lightning ( 62228 ) on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:59PM (#61008078) Journal

    Yet, by converting their AMC debt holding to AMC stock, the Silver Lake equity firm has gotten hurt by a falling stock price, too. ... unless Silver Lake found some other sucker to buy the stock before it bottomed out, they've been riding a roller coaster that at best has them about 5% to 7% ahead of their original position, with no guarantee of staying there.

    Only a 5% to 7% profit and maybe a small loss? Sounds a LOT better than riding the bonds down into bankruptcy and losing about 100%.

    If bailing out this way saves their invested principal AND saves the company it's a double win.

    This reminds me of a story told by a venture capital type, back when I was first-hire at a startup working on going public: (If I recall correctly) he had bought something like 100,000 shares of a startup at $1. The stock bubbled up to just under $198 - making him almost 20 paper millions - then tanked down again and he finally unloaded at $2. "What a stressful way to double your money!"

  • Yes, less debt but these people are not going to hold onto the stock that they just got as they want the profit. Which obviously means trouble for those holding the stock. First, it was massively diluted by the action. Secondly, when they sell it may not be possible to keep the over inflated price of the stock.
  • Does that mean that, although video killed the radio star, that Video Games saved the movie star?

Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book.

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