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Gina Carano, Who Plays Cara Dune On The Mandalorian, Will No Longer Be On the Show (gizmodo.com) 683

Posted by BeauHD from the social-media-controversy dept.
"Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future," said a Lucasfilm spokesperson. "Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable." io9 reports: The news comes after a day in which the hashtag #FireGinaCarano trended on Twitter for hours. The night before, the actress shared an anti-Semitic story on her Instagram. It was soon deleted but many fans captured it and shared it on social media. That, of course, came after months of complaints about Carano's online presence, including mocking covid mask mandates, spreading conspiracies about the United States election, liking posts disparaging the Black Lives Matter movement, and deriding pronoun usage.

Carano's character, Cara Dune, was one of the main characters on the award-winning Disney+ show. And it was assumed, though never confirmed, that she might play a role in the upcoming Star Wars: Rangers of the New Republic show. That, apparently, is not happening anymore. Even if it was.
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  • So wait (Score:5, Informative)

    by pele ( 151312 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:12AM (#61049876) Homepage

    This person says that "jews were beaten (and avoided, ratted out) by their neighbours" and all of a sudden that's an anti-semitic statement?
    Just for the record - Jews were also hidden and saved by their neighbours. But the first statement is in no way anti-semitic, it rightly points out that it wasn't just the government who hated on Jews, it was the ordinary citizens who picked up on the hate, too. In fact ordinary citizens were instrumental in spreading the hate.

    • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Calydor ( 739835 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:15AM (#61049878)

      Wait, is that all there is to this story? Do people not know how Anne Frank and her family were discovered?

      • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:20AM (#61049892)

        Wait, is that all there is to this story?

        Look deeper and you find that every single claim being made about her in the summary is just as long of a stretch.

        • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <.moc.eeznerif.todhsals. .ta. .treb.> on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:36AM (#61049938) Homepage

          She had faced calls to add her pronouns to her Twitter biography (a common practise among transgender and cisgender social media users to help avoid misgendering).

          However, in response to the demand, the actor added the words “boop/bop/beep” to her Twitter name, in apparent ridicule of the convention.

          And why should she? Does she not have the right to use whatever pronouns she wishes (including none at all) to describe herself on her own public profile?

          She’s also shared unproven theories about both the presidential election results and COVID-19 mask mandates.

          Unproven theories? Are we no longer allowed to talk about theories until they've been proven now? How are people supposed to debate and research?

          Unproven theories are there for debate. Even theories which are disproven are subsequently there for mockery of anyone who still promotes them. People should be free to talk about such things.

      • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

        by The Rizz ( 1319 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:28AM (#61049916)

        Really, it's not this post that's the issue - it's only bad within the context of her other posts, because she's comparing being a republican in 2021 with being a Jew in 1940s Germany, which is one hell of a stretch. But even so, reading this particular post as anti-semitic, even in the larger conspiracy-nutcase context, is one hell of a stretch as well. The post only works if she is saying anti-semitism is real and is a bad thing.

      • No it is not all there is to the story, far from it. You could easily find that out for yourself.

    • She just made the classic mistake of posting "non sanctioned" public opinions while working on a high profile Disney show. To be fair, I actually avoid social media so I don't fall victim to this from my employer too.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        If you're the public face of a $120 million dollar budget Disney show, you can bet your ass your public opinions matter.

        Specially when those are related to mocking mask wearers, claiming the 2020 election was rigged, or comparing yourself to Jews during the holocaust because you're "silenced".

    • Re:So wait (Score:5, Informative)

      by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ) <megazzt.gmail@com> on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:20AM (#61049890) Homepage

      It sounds like Disney planned to let her go before that post.

      https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/disney-fires-mandalorians-gina-carano-over-abhorrent-unacceptable-posts/ [arstechnica.com]

    • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

      by The1stImmortal ( 1990110 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:25AM (#61049908)
      It's a story about anti-semitism, so it's a linguistic trick to call it an "anti-semitic" story. Completely distorts the facts whilst being deniable as a mere shortening of the facts to fit a headline.

      As for Lucasfilm/Disney's statement, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't really know what happened, they just see an angry mob that needs to be dealt with, and in the current climate "capitulate" is safer for the employees handling the call than "ignore"

      • Linguistic tricks is what they are good at. Like “religious and cultural identities” instead of just religions and cultures. The word identity implies that it’s not just a very deep part of a person (where often it isn’t), but also that it’s a given, as if the person in question has no choice in the matter.

        And I think you are right about Lucasfilm. That’s why cancel culture is so effective; companies do not want controversy like this attached to their name. Easier to j

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Frank Burly ( 4247955 )

          Treating religion and culture are integral to a person's identity has been the standard since at least the writing of the Constitution, which forbids religious tests for federal office. In theory someone convinced that a talking snake doomed mankind should be open to the idea that we are all being dreamt by a god. But it does not work that way in practice and the society is better for allowing this polite fiction.

          Anti-trans people bitch about biological men who think of themselves as women and want it to be

    • Re:So wait (Score:5, Insightful)

      by kot-begemot-uk ( 6104030 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:45AM (#61049954) Homepage
      Completely agree.

      There is NOTHING anti-Semitic in her post. WHATSOEVER.

      Here is the official definition of anti-Semitism: https://www.holocaustremembran... [holocaustremembrance.com]

      Her post does not violate it directly, indirectly or in any other way. It had the sticker of anti-Semite attached the same way Stalin's followers attached the Trockist sticker to anything that was in their way to achieve their aims. This is quite deliberate too. She pointed to the ridiculous, unhealthy and dangerous polarisation in today's political life in USA and elsewhere in the Western World. She pointed at it eloquently and without ad-hominem - it was pretty well written. She got nuked into the oblivion for it.

      In the meantime, in the real world, USA has slipped on par (if not past) Belarus. One of the key political freedoms is the freedom of association and the freedom of expressing political views. It can be measured. PRECISELY too. When a voting intention poll is taken, there is always a certain systematic error in it due to people being AFRAID to express whom are they going to vote for. This is corrected by what is known as "pollster weights" - systematic correction to take into account this FEAR of expressing your political affiliation.Here is some food for thought for you - the pollster weights in USA needed for the last election are higher than in any developed country, higher than in Russia and on par with Belarus and Zimbabwe - in the > 20%.

      • One of the key political freedoms is the freedom of association and the freedom of expressing political views.

        Exactly. Disney is expressing their freedom of association by distancing themselves from this individual.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by amosh ( 109566 )

        You are absolutely, unquestionably wrong. This doesn't seem complicated - in fact, it seems like just about the most straightforward thing imaginable - but I'll assume you're speaking in good faith and explain it.

        Both co-opting Holocaust imagery for one's own purposes or minimizing the reality of the Holocaust by comparing it to something trivial - i.e. in this case "someone was mean to me on Twitter!" have a long history, and yes, we Jews find both things to be offensive and anti-Semitic.

        Also, it's really,

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by MrKaos ( 858439 )

      This person says that "jews were beaten (and avoided, ratted out) by their neighbours" and all of a sudden that's an anti-semitic statement?

      People gotta get their outrage from something.

    • It may not be anti-semitic, but it's certainly insensitive - comparing the 'persecution' she experiences for her political views to the systematic genocide of the Jewish people. She might have managed to get away with that, if not for all the other horrible things she had said before. The transgender mockery, conspiracy theory promotion, that sort of thing. Any one of the alone might have just been embarrassing for her employer, but put them all together and she becomes too toxic to associate with.

    • it rightly points out that it wasn't just the government who hated on XXX, it was the ordinary citizens who picked up on the hate, too. In fact ordinary citizens were instrumental in spreading the hate.

      Cue Donald Trump comparisons - every time he said "China Virus", etc.

    • >"This person says that "jews were beaten (and avoided, ratted out) by their neighbours" and all of a sudden that's an anti-semitic statement?"

      It isn't. There absolutely were non-party collaborators, as there probably are in all such situations- people scared, manipulated, and cooerced by an evil regime. The summary is a joke and stretches and twists everything, just like those trying to "cancel" her. Here is another:

      > "We need to clean up the election process so we are not left feeling the way we

  • Anti semitic how? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <.moc.eeznerif.todhsals. .ta. .treb.> on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:24AM (#61049904) Homepage

    She made a factual statement, jews were indeed beaten by some of their neighbors and there is plenty of evidence documenting this. She then added a sad face emoji, showing her disagreement with these activities.

    She then pointed out that hating someone for their political views is the same as hating someone for their religious views. She is clearly against both of these activities, and is drawing a comparison between them.

    I don't see anything anti semitic there, she pointed out a historical fact and additionally expressed her disdain for these historical activities.

    • Basically it seems that in the wild west as soon as you utter the word "jews" that's it, done.

    • Re:Anti semitic how? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:03AM (#61049996)
      Apparently comparing the alt-right's perceived mistreatment by the media to the Holocaust came off as insensitive to those snowflake hollywood libtards...

      Seriously, if there was ever someone who needed to learn when to shut their damn mouth it's this lady. She talked herself right out of a sweet job.

    • Re:Anti semitic how? (Score:5, Informative)

      by SlashDotCanSuckMy777 ( 6182618 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:14AM (#61050026)

      This incident isn't the only reason.

      You don't really want one of your main actors spouting off about the virus us a hoax and spreading election conspiracies.

    • She then pointed out that hating someone for their political views is the same as hating someone for their religious views. She is clearly against both of these activities, and is drawing a comparison between them.

      It's a false comparison and serves to minimize crimes against those who were hated for being part of an ethnic minority. Under equal protection jurisprudence, the factors courts look to are whether the characteristic involved is inherent and immutable - like ethnicity, but not like political beliefs; whether those with the characteristic have suffered a history of invidious discrimination - again, like ethnic minorities, and not like people with political beliefs; whether those with the characteristic have

  • That's nothing. (Score:4, Funny)

    by DudeBlokeLadFellow ( 6206386 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:27AM (#61049914)

    Half the country is being un-personed and excommunicated by the other half in high-handed, righteous loathing. Hell, they're so righteous, after all me-tooing and banishments and cancellations, there isn't going to be any one left who deserves to speak, or have a job, or even exist at all.

    The last true believer in this orgy of flagellating of Wokeness will cancel himself out of self-loathing for his own white supremacy, and vanish, instantly sucked into his own asshole.

  • Strange how she is racist, but american media is not.
    Take the Simpsons, the voices get a mention by name, but the talent that actually draws the cartoons, which is significantly harder, more time consuming and more talent, get paid next to nothing and dont even get acknowledged by name.

    • That's how the television industry has always worked. The actors are the celebrities that everyone worships, the technical staff get a line buried somewhere in the small print of the credits. Not even that, if they are contractors. Even the writers, arguably the people most important of all to producing a good show, toil in anonymity.

  • Cancel culture is the beginning of the end (Score:4, Funny)

    by paltemalte ( 767772 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:59AM (#61049988)

    Somewhere in the 6th - maybe even the 7th - ring of hell, there is a cauldron full of boiling feces waiting for every cancel-culturalist out there.

    If I had a Disney+ subscription I'd cancel it.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Lisandro ( 799651 )

      Cancel culture is the beginning of the end

      Somewhere in the 6th - maybe even the 7th - ring of hell, there is a cauldron full of boiling feces waiting for every cancel-culturalist out there.

      If I had a Disney+ subscription I'd cancel it.

      God damn, i love this place. You can't make this shit up.

  • Here in England we have a phrase for just such behaviour. It's called 'pissing on your chips.'

  • Whiny conservatives (Score:5, Informative)

    by locater16 ( 2326718 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:23AM (#61050054)
    "Muh free speech, damn you large corporations!"

    -Modern US Conservatives, unaware their entire world view was shaped by those corporation who bankrolled them just for financial gain, and are now cancelling them to ensure their continued financial gain. Don't worry though, I'm sure they'll tell you it's the leftists cancelling you, can't risk you thinking about who it is that's actually controlling your "free speech".

  • Misunderstanding freedom of speech/cancel culture (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ginger_Chris ( 1068390 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:28AM (#61050070)

    You have the right to say whatever you want (within the bounds of the law- not inciting violence for instance)

    You still have to deal with and be accountable for the consequences of what you say.

    Freedom of speech is not a pass to say what you want without repercussions. If you make homophobic, and-mask comments, you have to own those and be willing to deal with how others respond to those comments (such as your employer or media outlet). Cancel culture isn't the end of free speech, it's just the bluntest way that people have to show that someone has said something they don't agree with - and they are exercising their own rights to respond to it however they want.

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean that people have to accept your views, or treat those views with sacred respect. It just means you can say them, and other people can decide how they want to respond to it.

    • Re:Misunderstanding freedom of speech/cancel cultu (Score:5, Insightful)

      by thejam ( 655457 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @04:40AM (#61050234)

      Repercussions from whom? 1st amendment freedom of speech means that the government cannot limit your speech (presumably that would include protection from being fired for what you say outside work as an employee of the government). But institutions like universities also declare something closely allied, "academic freedom", and that's supposed to mean that the institution will not limit your scholarly inquiry and speech. So yes, even an un-tenured faculty member or student should be safe from being removed for saying repellent things as long as it's done in an academic way. When any institution proclaims freedom of speech, they (ought to) make the implicit promise that they will not use any of their powers (censure,firing,etc.) to limit freedom of speech, and NOT merely acknowledge that the government won't throw you in jail or shut you down. The reality often differs from this, and it's very disappointing.

      To support freedom of speech in a given context goes beyond the 1st amendment. It means a commitment to solve conflict through the exercise of speech, not play non-speech tactics by using your authority or influence to fire/cancel/etc. So if you support someone being fired for saying something, then you betray a lack of support for open dialogue, that you would rather silence / shut down / financially disadvantage / etc. someone than actually engaging, through your own speech, whatever it is that they're saying. One is under no obligation to support freedom of speech in all contexts, of course. For example, if my friend is grieving, I don't support the (beyond 1st amendment) freedom of speech of others to say things that might offend that person; I freely admit that. But there is a cost to limiting speech -- that people will increasingly find temporarily convenient ways other than speech to address their conflicts, that can only in the long term lead to escalation. They best way for a pluralistic society is to be tolerant and try to persuade. The alternative is not pretty.

      • So if you support someone being fired for saying something, then you betray a lack of support for open dialogue,

        Free speech doesn't require open dialogue. It protects both speech and the right to not speak.

        The First Amendment equally protects the right of free association with others (which includes the right to refuse to associate with others). (There are minor limits on this such as barring racial discrimination in commerce)

        So if you say something I find offensive, I'm free to react to that by refusing to speak to you and by refusing to even be anywhere together with you, and this fits very nicely in the spirit of

  • Woman sacked for talking toomuch (Score:3, Insightful)

    by greytree ( 7124971 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:33AM (#61050082)

    Meanwhile...

  • Hypocrites and new McCarthy-ism (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ritz_Just_Ritz ( 883997 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:19AM (#61050646)

    Cancel culture brought to you by the same mindset that tried to shun Elia Kazan for naming names during McCarthy's witch hunt of communists in Hollywood.

    The complete lack of self awareness by the new SJW crowd along with their capricious and arbitrary demands that everyone obey (or else) is a testament to their intolerance. If this is the "unity" they profess while leading by decree, then I'll have no part of it.

    "Believe what we tell you or we'll make it impossible for you to even earn a living."

  • She just wasn't a Hollywood Glamour-Girl (Score:3)

    by Hasaf ( 3744357 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:20AM (#61050652)
    She didn't look Hollywood, and she didn't share the values of the Hollywood industry. Of course, she had to go.

  • That's a shame (Score:5, Informative)

    by OneHundredAndTen ( 1523865 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @08:45AM (#61050932)
    It's all too rare to have a female character kicking men's asses played by a female actor who can realistically kick men's asses.

  • Unacceptable outrage. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @09:54AM (#61051248)
    She was fired because people lied about facts and opinions she shared. That is wrong.

    We cannot hand off decisions over who can work where to idiots on twitter who don't understand what the words they use actually mean.

    It is not anti-Semitic to state facts about how the Nzis rose to power or what lead to the Holocaust. Especially since those facts do not reflect poorly on German Jews, only on their neighbors.

    I really liked her character and her acting. She should not be fired because a few hypersensitive idiots on twitter got mad over things that didn't happen. She should sue them for libel. There is a list of twitter users linked from the summary who lied about what she said, leading to her losing her job. That is actionable. I'd sue Disney too.

    But more importantly, we can't be making decisions on the basis of what a tiny sliver of the population says on twitter. Why should those angry morons have so much influence?

  • It's a tasteless comparison (Score:3, Insightful)

    by VAElynx ( 2001046 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @10:52AM (#61051528)
    but in no way antisemitic - not any more than the oodles of liberals calling Trump Hitler.

    Ironically, her losing her job over her politics does more to confirm what she's posted than anything she could have written.

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