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As US Investigates Ticketmaster, Botched Sale of Taylor Swift Tickets Fuels Monopoly Criticisms (npr.org) 94

Ticketmaster provoked ire with a botched sale of tickets to Taylor Swift's first concert in five years. NPR reports: On Thursday afternoon, the day before tickets were due to open to the general public, Ticketmaster announced that the sale had been cancelled altogether due to "extraordinarily high demands on ticketing systems and insufficient remaining ticket inventory to meet that demand." Taylor Swift broke her silence on Friday in statement on Instagram in which she said it is "excruciating for me to watch mistakes happen with no recourse." She said there are many reasons people had a hard time getting tickets, and she's trying to figure out how to improve the situation moving forward. "I'm not going to make excuses for anyone because we asked them, multiple times, if they could handle this kind of demand and we were assured they could," she wrote, without naming Ticketmaster.
America's Justice Department "has opened an antitrust investigation into the owner of Ticketmaster," reports the New York Times. But the investigation "predates the botched sale" and "is focused on whether Live Nation Entertainment has abused its power over the multibillion-dollar live music industry." The new investigation is the latest scrutiny of Live Nation Entertainment, which is the product of a merger between Live Nation and Ticketmaster that the Justice Department approved in 2010. That created a giant in the live entertainment business that still has no equals in its reach or power.... The debacle involving Ms. Swift's concert tickets this week has exacerbated complaints in the music business and in Washington that Live Nation's power has constrained competition and harmed consumers.
Or, as NPR puts it, "The frenzy has brought renewed scrutiny to the giant Ticketmaster, which critics have long accused of abusing its market power at the expense of consumers." Would-be concertgoers have complained vocally about recent incidents with near-instant sellouts and skyrocketing prices, and artists like Pearl Jam and Bruce Springsteen have feuded with it over the decades. One common complaint is that there doesn't seem to be a clear alternative or competitor to Ticketmaster, especially after it merged with concert provider Live Nation in 2010 (a controversial move that required conditional approval from the U.S. Department of Justice).

Now Tennessee's attorney general, a Republican, is opening a consumer protection investigation into the incident. North Carolina's attorney general announced on Thursday that his office is investigating Ticketmaster for allegedly violating consumers' rights and antitrust laws. And multiple Democratic lawmakers are asking questions about the company's dominance â" not for the first time.... "Taylor Swift's tour sale is a perfect example of how the Live Nation/Ticketmaster merger harms consumers by creating a near-monopoly," tweeted Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), one of several lawmakers who has long called for investigation and accountability into the company, especially after becoming a subsidiary of concert behemoth Live Nation.

The article also cites a Thursday statement from Ticketmaster: The company says that using Verified Fan invite codes has historically helped manage the volume of users visiting the website to buy tickets, though that wasn't the case on Tuesday. "The staggering number of bot attacks as well as fans who didn't have invite codes drove unprecedented traffic on our site, resulting in 3.5 billion total system requests â" 4x our previous peak," it said, adding that it slowed down some sales and pushed back others to stabilize its systems, resulting in longer wait times for some users.

It estimates that about 15% of interactions across the website experienced issues, which it said is "15% too many."

The Tuesday sale also broke Ticketmaster's record for most tickets sold for an artist in a single day," reports People, "selling two million tickets."

Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader SpzToid for submitting the story.
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As US Investigates Ticketmaster, Botched Sale of Taylor Swift Tickets Fuels Monopoly Criticisms

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  • Whatever (Score:5, Insightful)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:12PM (#63064681)

    Funny how when someone's grand-daughter can't get tickets to a concert there needs to be a federal investigation, but when there's no competition for an ISP, something you pay for each and every month, it's all crickets.

    • Yep (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Okian Warrior ( 537106 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:15PM (#63064689) Homepage Journal

      Funny how when someone's grand-daughter can't get tickets to a concert there needs to be a federal investigation, but when there's no competition for an ISP, something you pay for each and every month, it's all crickets.

      I was thinking the same thing, with different endpoints.

      Funny how when someone's grand-daughter can't get tickets to a concert there needs to be a federal investigation, but when a fraudulent crypto exchange implodes harming a million customers, it's all crickets.

      • You know you are raising your profile for an tax audit by pointing the obvious.
        • Therein lies the problem. The powers of investigation and subpoenas are held by politically influenced offices. This is on both sides. Investigate your enemies when in power. The democrats investigated trump, the republicans, the bidens.

          Ticketmaster is an absolute bullshit company. But they have entered into voluntary agreements with the venues.
      • Re: Yep (Score:5, Insightful)

        by S_Stout ( 2725099 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:52PM (#63064761)
        We all know politicians only care about issues that affect them or their immediate family. Otherwise, it has to be something they can profit on with insider trading.
        • We all know politicians only care about issues that affect their pocketbook.

          There, fixed that for you.

        • by pshaw2 ( 8625507 )

          We all know politicians only care about issues that affect them or their immediate family. Otherwise, it has to be something they can profit on with insider trading.

          5 Insightful?

          So every politician who voted to bring down the cost of insulin has an insulin dependent diabetic in their immediate family?

          Every polititician who votes for LGBTQ or racial minority equal rights has an LGBTQ or racial minority in their immediate family?

          No politician who votes for relief for 9/11 first responders or veterans doesn't have a vet/fireman/policeman in the family?

          I think you're so jaded that you've lost sight of the fact that people can have empathy and care about others enough t

      • Lol, nobody gives a shit when dummy cryptotards get ripped off.
        • Except when the cryptards are elected officials, then hellfire comes.
        • Hey they wanted no government regulations right? So now they don't have them. Wait? You lost money and you got into crypto as a libertarian and want government interaction because you lost money and regulation? LMAO

          You can't have it both ways. It is hypocrtical to hate government interaction when it doesn't impact you and expect others to cry and use their tax dollars to bail YOU out?

          If you want something safe go FDIC and through typical investments.

      • Funny how when someone's grand-daughter can't get tickets to a concert there needs to be a federal investigation, but when a fraudulent crypto exchange implodes harming a million customers, it's all crickets.

        The obvious difference here is that Ticketmaster is supposed to be selling tickets and they utterly failed at that one job, while separating fools from their money is pretty much the raison d'etre for cryptocurrency.

      • by porges ( 58715 )

        What crickets? The FTX thing happened less than two weeks ago, and all the public conversation is about "how many years in jail will SBF get?" It doesn't need a Congressional investigation, just prosecution.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Funny how when someone's grand-daughter can't get tickets to a concert there needs to be a federal investigation, but when a fraudulent crypto exchange implodes harming a million customers, it's all crickets.

        Well, the thing is Ticketmaster is governed by laws that regulate sale and trade of stuff - the Uniform Commercial Code.

        Deregulated Finance stuff - being the "deregulated" part, means it falls under the government's radar. Everyone knew what they were going into with DeFi and if you got ripped off, well

      • Why anyone would think crypto's reliance on uniqueness independant of value should be the basis for a financial product is beyond me. Some people argue it's a pyramid scam, a quest for a greater fool... not something that balances the effort of a baker and carpenter. My granmdaughter makes a lot of cool crayon drawings that are precious to a very few people, but have no real value outside that audience. Am I missing something? Is there value in cryptographic trivialities? Blockchain is cool in it's own w
    • Indeed. Who gives a fuck? We've got people willing to pay through the nose for concert tickets and a scumbag company that's eager to facilitate that urge. You can't legislate a disparity between supply and demand in a free market economy. The pearl clutching while ignoring MUCH larger problems is amusing though.

      Best,

      • You can't legislate a disparity between supply and demand in a free market economy

        You can if that supply and demand is being manipulated by a single entity. It's not a free market if a single entity is using it's large sum of cash to quash the ability for anyone else to enter the market and then because they are the sole provider, can artificially move supply into aftermarket via channels not open to the public, so those subsidiaries can pump the price upward.

        None of that is free market.

      • Imagine if the biggest scalper of tickets is.... Ticketmaster. What? No. They couldn't have the ability to buy all the tickets from the inside and resell them for astronomical gains. I mean what if they make a bad gamble and buy all the tickets for Creed? That's just insane. Why would a company buy its own tickets for $100 and sell them for 300$??? Oh, or maybe TM is just "buying" the tickets and reselling them. Wow. imagine what kind of racket ticketmaster could be involved in if some guy named Kevi
    • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

      Seems like this was more of the tipping point for an issue that's been brewing. Big public failures like this tend to raise awareness to issues, sort of like when a bridge collapses and we start looking at all the other bridges

    • Suddenly a lot of people complain and the government does something (maybe).

    • but when there's no competition for an ISP, something you pay for each and every month, it's all crickets

      Quite a many factors have created that and have set us back at least two decades before we regain a good whipping at ISPs to play fair. Biggest, is many Senators who literally are beholden to several of the largest ISPs. Another is a complete breakdown of local governments being able to not be completely corrupt. And finally the constant inability for our government to not fear actually breaking out antitrust litigation. That also sidesteps how the court system has slowly evolved to be completely on the

    • There are so many bad actors out there in the market right now that there aren't enough courts to try them, judges to sentence them, and prison cells to house them.
    • ISP - should we split Internet service from Cable infrastructure as is done with Natural Gas? Pay one for Physical connectivity, and another for content... Physical connectivity by nature will be monopolistic. The content should come from anywhere. Performance tickets - Sports and entertainment are sold by vendor (naturally a single source phenomenon) , at $X and slurped up by uninvolved third parties, and sold at market value which is sometimes 10X markup. Why is this an acceptable solution? the Third
  • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:28PM (#63064723)

    Selling tickets seems like an industry that should have a pretty low bar for entry.

    How is it that TicketMaster is the only game in town? The motive (a website unable to handle the load) is a bit lame but the investigation might be legit.

    • Define "town".
      Maybe in the US they are the biggest, and maybe in some other countries they are big, but I never heard of them in my corner of the world.

      • There are actually two other ticketing companies that have a fairly large presence -- Brown Paper Tickets and Events.com.

        Interestingly, after the slowdown for in-person events during the Covid-19 pandemic, Brown Paper Tickets is being acquired by Events.com. Several acquisitions have been announced recently by Events.com, and the company is seeking to acquire additional event management and event technology companies and assets. Perhaps its combined resources can offer an alternative to Ticket Master. ht [brownpapertickets.com]

    • by Retired Chemist ( 5039029 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:34PM (#63064739)
      Not if you do deals with the venues and sports teams to control all the tickets at the source
    • Selling tickets seems like an industry that should have a pretty low bar for entry.

      How is it that TicketMaster is the only game in town? The motive (a website unable to handle the load) is a bit lame but the investigation might be legit.

      In many cases the venue determines who can sell tickets for events. TicketMaster happens to be the biggest company in this field after it purchased Live Nation a decade or so ago so almost all ticket sales go through them. I know the local amusement park in my area used to sell tickets for concerts and such, but at some point they switched to TicketMaster. From that point on the only way to see a concert is TicketMaster.

      Also, in the process of selling tickets TicketMaster adds a ton of fees and other got

      • Selling tickets seems like an industry that should have a pretty low bar for entry.

        How is it that TicketMaster is the only game in town? The motive (a website unable to handle the load) is a bit lame but the investigation might be legit.

        In many cases the venue determines who can sell tickets for events. TicketMaster happens to be the biggest company in this field after it purchased Live Nation a decade or so ago so almost all ticket sales go through them. I know the local amusement park in my area used to sell tickets for concerts and such, but at some point they switched to TicketMaster. From that point on the only way to see a concert is TicketMaster.

        Also, in the process of selling tickets TicketMaster adds a ton of fees and other gotchas which effectively double or triple the price of tickets.

        Who is the driver of the exclusivity deals, the venues or TicketMaster?

        If it's TicketMaster that does sound like anti-competitive behaviour.

        • Who is the driver of the exclusivity deals, the venues or TicketMaster?

          The venues. They don't want to deal with the hassle of selling tickets so they offload it to TicketMaster. Which just happens to be the largest ticket seller in the country by far.

          If it's TicketMaster that does sound like anti-competitive behaviour.

          In this case it is anti-competitive because there is no one left capable of handling these kinds of events (and apparently neither is TicketMaster). TicketMaster bought their only true compe

          • Amazon? Give them half the tickets. Limit sales to people who have gotten at least three orders in the last six months and who live in the venue's area.
          • Who is the driver of the exclusivity deals, the venues or TicketMaster?

            The venues. They don't want to deal with the hassle of selling tickets so they offload it to TicketMaster. Which just happens to be the largest ticket seller in the country by far.

            If it's TicketMaster that does sound like anti-competitive behaviour.

            In this case it is anti-competitive because there is no one left capable of handling these kinds of events (and apparently neither is TicketMaster). TicketMaster bought their only true competitor, Live Nation, a decade ago. There are a few much smaller entities out there, but they're mainly local. TicketMaster effectively controls ticket sales for the entire country.

            I call BS on that. All of us over 40 here on Slashdot know why Microsoft is the default standard of operating systems and how this happened? More than likely if you are Katy Perry and want to sell a concert TicketMaster drafted a non compete agreement where you couldn't sell tickets without anyone else. So if you're the amusement park (in the grandparents comment) then you can't get any artists to show as they are "Ticket Master Exclusive" artists.

            Want to sell tickets to them? Then sign an agreement with Ti

      • Also, in the process of selling tickets TicketMaster adds a ton of fees and other gotchas which effectively double or triple the price of tickets.

        The funny thing is they got in legal hot water for doing this, got a slap on the wrist that amounted to paying off some lawyers and giving away free tickets to shows few people wanted to see, and still do it.

      • Unless the ticketmaster website is a huge traffic drivers to lesser acts which won't just sell out on their own strength I can't see Ticketmaster taking that kind of profit margin, the venues would have to be complete morons. They almost certainly kick back most of it, depending on performance metrics.

        • by sfcat ( 872532 )

          the venues would have to be complete morons

          Ticketmaster owns most of the larger concert venues too.

    • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 )

      > Selling tickets seems like an industry that should have a pretty low bar for entry.

      You need a venue to host these events. They can lock up physical venues since they have weight which acts as a barrier to entry. I believe Pearl Jam tried tacking on Ticket Master and basically got black listed from stadiums etc.

      • > Selling tickets seems like an industry that should have a pretty low bar for entry.

        You need a venue to host these events. They can lock up physical venues since they have weight which acts as a barrier to entry. I believe Pearl Jam tried tacking on Ticket Master and basically got black listed from stadiums etc.

        But it's not clear to me why large venues work exclusively with TicketMaster.

        It's not like you need a single vendor so you don't accidentally schedule two concerts at the same date.

        I guess there's an advantage to being able to sell tickets directly from the venue's website, but that can be a link to a 3rd party site.

        • by NFN_NLN ( 633283 )

          My guess is TicketMaster has enough reach and resources to keep those venues full all the time and/or the venues are just as equally under their thumb.

        • Because TicketMaster can sue them for a breach of contract. If you want to be a Ticket Master approved venue then you need to be their b***h and sign an agreement for approved Ticket Master approved artists who also had to sign such contracts.

          Contracts are how ISPs and Microsoft started their monopolies and sadly they work.

          The only powerful enough entry to challenge these would be the NFL or NBA since they have billions at their disposal. My guess is Ticket Master might cater but offer a portion of their re

    • by slack_justyb ( 862874 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @09:06PM (#63064977)

      Selling tickets seems like an industry that should have a pretty low bar for entry

      Because you have to understand LiveNation Entertainment's structure, which TicketMaster is a branch of. LiveNation works with iHeartMedia, Inc. to ensure that advertisement channels are strictly held for only TicketMaster to use. There's a good chance that a majority of the billboards in your city are owned by a division of iHeartMedia, Inc., good chance that all your radio stations are owned by iHeartMedia, Inc., there's a good chance that LiveNation Entertainment has exclusive or semi-exclusive agreements with most of the venues that seat 100+. Local news outlets, local channels, and cable companies are either owned or have exclusive agreements with LiveNation Entertainment.

      Pretty much there isn't a means for you to become a promoter that LiveNation Entertainment doesn't already have an agreement with to prevent you from becoming a promoter. And yes, being a promoter requires a lot more than just a website. There are agreements that have to be taken care of between the venue, the band, the label, insurance (for rain tickets), vendors, and so forth. A promoter does all of that. In fact, even say you started selling tickets to some 3rd party venue, the label for the band more than likely is under contract to not work with you.

      The reason this isn't a monopoly? Because we have a gutless government that won't go after this and break it the fuck up.

      • by echo123 ( 1266692 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @11:48PM (#63065105)

        In the mid-1990s Pearl Jam, a rock band, working with the DoJ, alleged that by buying up its competitors, Ticketmaster left artists and fans with no alternative and subjected them to exorbitant fees. That case was quietly closed in 1995. Earlier this year a class-action lawsuit alleged that Ticketmaster and LNE use their market power to force fans into arbitration with a new mediator they accuse of having financial links with the companies. Ticketmaster and LNE responded denying the accusations, saying the plaintiffs were overstating the impact of the new arbitrator.
         
        The approach America’s regulators take to trust busting has gone through a sea change under the current administration. President Joe Biden has bemoaned the rise of monopolies, including in the ticketing industry. In 2021 he appointed Lina Khan, known for calling for the breakup of several big tech firms, as chair of the FTC.

        -The Economist [economist.com] Nov 19th 2022

  • "But the investigation "predates the botched sale" and "is focused on whether Live Nation Entertainment has abused its power over the multibillion-dollar live music industry."

    I would assume the investigation began at least during the Clinton administration

  • by Arnonyrnous Covvard ( 7286638 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @06:43PM (#63064749)
    Until people learn to do without and Taylor Swift plays an empty venue because bots don't fill the place, nothing will change. You do not need a faster graphics card either. The scalpers have no use for the cards unless they can sell them. Don't pay more than it's worth, and if it's worth that much to you, then what are you complaining about? This isn't insulin. This isn't a bottle of water in the desert. You can say no. Competition would be nice, but anyone can sell tickets without Ticketmaster. This is all a choice.
    • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

      So you're saying that rather than the government doing its job consumers should just abandon the live music industry for a few years.

      Great idea in theory! Pointless suggestion in reality

      • by c-A-d ( 77980 )

        Then nothing will change and we will remain reliant on the government to solve our problems which we could really solve on our own.

        We get what we deserve.

        • Then nothing will change and we will remain reliant on the government to solve our problems which we could really solve on our own.

          We get what we deserve.

          So it's like people complaining about Jeff Bezos and Amazon or Elon Musk, yet keep buying crap off Amazon and buying Teslas.

          I keep saying to stop buying from both, but all I get are excuses, especially when it comes to Amazon.

        • Then nothing will change and we will remain reliant on the government to solve our problems which we could really solve on our own.

          One of the tasks of government is to put a check and balance on capitalism so you don't have companies abusing their position in the marketplace, because some problems do not realistically have free market solutions. Yes, technically someone with Elon Musk's or Jeff Bezos's level of wealth could get a wild hair up their butt and decided to compete with Ticketmaster. Best of luck convincing them to do so.

        • > Then nothing will change and we will remain reliant on the government to solve our problems which we could really solve on our own.

          ...

          "We" are the government, you fucking legume.

          • I think this is not true. The people are not the government. The party system is a buffer that keeps the people out of office.

            Policy is not determined by the people. It is determined by the parties. They devise it specifically to fracture and divide the electorate through propaganda and psychological manipulation.

            The people vote for the party they want, the candidates follow the party demands, and they get money for election and re-election, if they toe the line.

            The large donors write the legislation. T

        • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

          People on the internet like to pretend that a few individuals can make the choice to stop using facebook or amazon or ticketmaster and that'll make a difference, but that's not how boycotts work. There has to be a coordinated effort by a large number of people that are making their reasons known to the company and they have to be people that would have used the product in the first place

      • So you're saying that rather than the government doing its job consumers should just abandon the live music industry for a few years.

        Great idea in theory!

        What theory? We actually did this during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic. Ticketbastard had enough of a war chest stashed away that they weathered the storm. It's a tested fact that there's no amount of voting with your wallet which would kill this beast, it absolutely has to be regulated.

      • There are situations which call for limiting monopolistic power, but the case of something that you absolutely positively do not NEED, something which is completely optional to every potential buyer, is not one of those situations. On top of this, Ticketmaster doesn't have a natural monopoly. Anyone can sell tickets. There is nothing stopping venues and artists from rolling their own competitor. It's not rocket science. They choose not to, because Ticketmaster works very well for them. They choose sky high
      • No, he's saying that you get what you ask for and the market sells toys for what that market will bear.

        I remain unaffected by high ticket prices because I don't bother with such venues. Those who don't mind expensive tickets will pay for them and the seller benefits from this COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY transaction.

        • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

          Right so you admit your opinion is worthless in this case since you don't participate in this market.

          Some people still enjoy watching shows and their favorite bands. Yes, they could just not do that, but the same can be said for all entertainment. Pretending there isn't a problem because people can just not consume a type of entertainment isn't a meaningful position and won't help fix any problems.

    • by leonbev ( 111395 )

      Graphics Card scalping really isn't a thing anymore, now that crypto mining isn't profitable and the miners are dumping their old cards on eBay for less than half of their original MSRP. Unless you somehow scored a 4090 (which is brand new and somewhat rare), you aren't making a profit on it.

      • 4090s selling for $2500+ are going like hotcakes for European customers where thanks to monopolistic price setting agreements from the EU and Australia can only get them for $3000 due to exchange rate manipulation.

        It is still a thing until it is fixed

    • Oh! I recognize this - it's "The good of the many depends on the single worst of us." This is the game wherein if we could all improve our lot if we behaved in a certain way - and really quite sensible - but we're held hostage by the worst elements among us. In short: we're fucked. See COVID-19. See the latest weather in Buffalo, where the county puts out warning after warning, as well as hard travel bans, and people still feel the need to drive in the worst of it. For the Democratic party, see Machin
      • No, it's not. This is supply and demand. The fact that you can only buy the tickets at one place is inconsequential. The supply of tickets is lower than the demand for them. This is by design, btw.. If there were ten totally different Ticketmasters, they'd still all sell out and have no need to be any more accommodating than the one Ticketmaster there actually is, because it being a sold out show is a marketing requirement. If you as the customer don't like it, then don't contribute to the rock star economy
    • Until people learn to do without

      Why would they? You are confused with a need and a want combined with a means of getting. People don't buy products or go to concerts in an altruistic fashion to stick it to bots and scalpers. They go to concerts because they want to and can afford the ticket. They upgrade GPUs because they want to and can afford the card.

      Those who have a want but no means do the only thing they can: complain.

      Don't pay more than it's worth, and if it's worth that much to you, then what are you complaining about?

      Just because something is worth to someone for them to buy it doesn't preclude a right to complain about its cost or

      • "Just because something is worth to someone for them to buy it doesn't preclude a right to complain about its cost or more importantly the method of obtaining said thing."

        Nor does that preclude my amusement at their whinging. I enjoy seeing people who crave things get taken to the cleaners for their weakness for it is that choice to indulge weakness driving the high prices they complain about. They created their own problem by informed adult choices.

  • As much as I enjoy seeing Ticketbastard raked over the coals twice in one week, this story is technically a dupe. [slashdot.org]

    • Ahh, this takes me back to the days in high school when I worked for Ticketmaster.

      Our opening line when answering the phone was "Thank you for calling Ticketmaster where American Express is the preferred method of payment, how can we help you?"

      Of course the more juvenile and discontent among us just had to modify it to "Thank you for calling Ticketbastard, where your mother is the preferred method of payment, how can we screw you?"

      Even to the people who worked there, those service charges seemed like highwa

  • Pearl Jam (Score:4, Insightful)

    by freedom_surfer ( 203272 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:46PM (#63064867) Homepage

    This should have been looked at ages ago before they were effectively blacklisting Pearl Jam for speaking out...

    The US knows well the dangers of market share consolidation and the anti-trust solutions. It's time for a revival. The artificial inflation the companies with majority market share have used to make up for lost covid revenue and forecasting should be a rallying cry for the whole world, not just the US.

    • We should remove the whole "corporations are legally people" and not allow a corporation to own another corporation. All this shit will go away.

  • I skip the concert (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Kiliani ( 816330 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:47PM (#63064869)

    I get why concerts may be cool. Heck, I would have liked to see Joe Cocker [youtube.com], and Till Lindemann's [youtube.com] pyromania is something else (at least he is certified in this).

    Still: I buy the CD (yes, you read that correctly). Then I actually own the bloody thing rather than rent the music or shove money down undeserving Ticketmaster's throat. Besides, usually it sounds much better, too. I'd rather listen to a really good rendition 100 times than attend an often mediocre one once - for way too much money.

    To each their own. I like live music in small venues (no more than, say, 100-200 people), but unless there is a cover charge, I can buy the tickets independently, or get them in person at the box office (they do exist, occasionally), I sadly just won't go anymore instead of supporting modern highway robbery.

    • Then I actually own the bloody thing rather than rent the music ... snip ...
      Besides, usually it sounds much better, too.

      No one goes to concerts because they want to hear music, and I think it is very clear you don't understand this from your preference of small venues.

      I'll give you a hint: Basically everyone going to a Taylor Swift concert already has her CDs, and in the case of the wifey limited edition signed vinyls in multiple colours as well. Everyone already owns the music. Renting has nothing to do with it.

  • Odds are nothing will happen.

    Way before the NFT boom, fluffypony announced was working on challenging Ticketmaster with a ticketing system based on Monero; effectively NFT's but ones with an actual use case. Anonymous and decentralized so venues or acts could keep their revenue.

    When suddenly out of nowhere came some really dubious legal trouble from his distant past with claims that were blown so far out of proportion that it was an obvious economic hit job.

    • Blockchain technology brings nothing to the table. The entire reason Ticketmaster has a monopoly is due to anti-competitive dealings with the venues. Implementing a merchant front-end and ticket sales database is by itself a trivial task. Ticketmaster knows this, hence their dirty dealings to retain their position in the marketplace.

  • by Big Hairy Gorilla ( 9839972 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @08:11PM (#63064897)
    Correct me if I'm wrong, is the article implying, but doesn't quite come out and say, they pre sold the majority of tickets, so there was none to be had for "the public"?

    Sounds like a stock offering, IPO. Brokers pre sell blocks of stock at negotiated prices.
  • and no one does a goddamn thing about it.

    • Taxpayers want effective government agencies without paying for them so nothing will be done about it. Use a private carrier instead.

      • by DewDude ( 537374 )

        I do. However, a lot of the places I have to do business with don't. There's nothing like having to frantically call a doctor to get a temporary prescription because a required medication that was shown as shipped a month prior still hasn't shown up.

  • by v1 ( 525388 ) on Saturday November 19, 2022 @09:39PM (#63065007) Homepage Journal

    we asked them, multiple times, if they could handle this kind of demand and we were assured they could,

    There appears to be a pattern here within the service industry, of "never tell the customer NO", even when there's just no way you can deliver. I see this a lot where developers tell marketing something is impossible, and marketing still tells the client they can do it. (or we're going to try our hardest to make it happen")

    Most of the time they're simply too afraid of losing a sale. But TICKETMASTER, when you practically OWN the market, who else are they going to take their business to? This was just inexcusable.

    I'll acknowledge though that a big part of the blame is on the bastards running the bot nets trying to scoop up tickets to scalp. It seems like TicketMaster has mechanisms in place to preent the bots from getting as big of a chunk of the tickets as they usually do, but they just respond to this by throwing more bots at the web site. "If I can't make money, neither can you!" But then again I hate bot nets for a lot more than just this. They're a scourge on modern technology, and not enough time is being invested in taking them down. This isn't even some group with a warehouse full of computers, it's just someone living in their mom's basement, renting time on a malware botnet to run his ticket-vacuuming software. Pisses me off, but what do you do?

  • There needs to be an investigation into something when this becomes a headline everywhere. Since a concert has become more news than scientific advancement or the plight of the common people should concerts be banned ? That feels too religious, should reporting of concerts be banned, that feels a bit totalitarian, should be people be educated to a point where not getting TayTay tickets is ok and live goes on regardless. That sounds just right. So yes, the Justice Department should seek justice for the uned
  • by Gavino ( 560149 ) on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:04AM (#63065115)
    and fire 75% of Ticketmaster staff? The staff are clearly not hardcore enough.
  • Probably the same geniuses who were sent to uncover Madoff's scheme...
  • by John Smith 2294 ( 5807072 ) on Sunday November 20, 2022 @05:10AM (#63065465)
    This sounds like it could be a perfect application of blockchain - concert tickets. Distributed, resistant to attack, transaction rate naturally limited...
  • I guess I won't hold my breath.
  • 3.5 billion (Score:3, Interesting)

    by forceshield ( 2891483 ) on Sunday November 20, 2022 @07:57AM (#63065661)
    3.5 billion requests. So nearly half of the world is trying to buy TS tickets? That's astonishing. I almost wonder if 3.49 billion of those requests were bots. Ticketmaster is a joke and I will not be surprised in 3 years when it comes out that an insider is the mastermind behind all the ticket scalping rackets, yeah Kevin, we know. Nice new house/boat/car.
  • There's a reason that "monopolies" like this form ... because they are better, though yes, certainly not perfect, than having your Uncle Fester selling tickets out of the back of his van, and taking them at the door.

    Nobody is stopping you from getting web hosting, installing WooCommerce, and selling whatever you want. But there's usually actually more to real world success than that, which is why big companies with economy of scale, history, experienced staff, connections, and so forth, end up consolidatin

  • Like in the olden times.

  • by kiviQr ( 3443687 ) on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:42PM (#63066191)
    "platinum tickets" is price spiking algorithm - think uber prices during rush hour. Difference is that they create demand and profit from it. We/customers overpay for tickets. Same ticket a week later costs 80% less.
  • A simple solution to scalping would be to only allow ticket sales in person like the old days. Why they don't do see this as a viable solution is beyond me.
  • Basically bots are DDOSing Ticketmaster, as the resell value (aka scalping) on these tickets are extremely, extremely high. I'm not sure what the solution is, besides some kind of lottery with valid credit card verification allowing only one potential purchase (up to 4 tickets or so) per credit card. I believe their current system is first-come first-serve, so it's easy gamed by very fast bots trying to get entry to the actual purchase process, at which point a human can step in and make the purchase.

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