Writers of 'Rogue One: A Star Wars Story' Had Imagined an Even Darker Sequel (screenrant.com) 63
The writers of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story "had an idea for a sequel that would have been even darker and more morally ambiguous," writes Screen Rant:
Rogue One told the story of how the Rebel Alliance gained access to the Death Star plans, and further explored the sacrifices that needed to be made to defeat the Empire. Famously, the movie led straight into the events of Star Wars: A New Hope, and most of its main characters died, so there was never any true hope for a direct Rogue One sequel. However, the writers of Rogue One did once discuss an idea for a thematic sequel that would have delved into the moral ambiguity of the Rebellion.
Co-writers Gary Whitta and Chris Weitz conceptualized a Rogue One sequel show that would have involved a "Mossad-style Rebel team" tracking down fleeing Imperial war criminals after the fall of the Empire. This would have been an interesting continuation of Rogue One's narrative; a Star Wars show in which the darker side of the Rebel victory could be explored. In that scenario, the Rebels would have had to fight on the offensive, not defensively, reversing the war's dynamic entirely. The show could have explored how far the Rebels were willing to go to hold onto their hard-won freedom, and whether it mirrored anything the Empire did to hang onto its dictatorship.
At the time Lucasfilm was experimenting with "one-and-done stories within blockbuster movies," the article point sout. But Solo: A Star Wars Story "was unable to replicate the same winning formula" as Rogue One. "After that, the ideas for Star Wars' anthology movies fizzled out, essentially replaced with Star Wars TV once Disney+ launched in 2019."
And in an earlier article, Screen Rant points out that The Mandalorian "has already filled in the story gaps that the Rogue One writers were looking to explore. That series dug deep into the criminal underbelly of the post-Empire galaxy and how the remaining imperial loyalists chose to spend their time."
Co-writers Gary Whitta and Chris Weitz conceptualized a Rogue One sequel show that would have involved a "Mossad-style Rebel team" tracking down fleeing Imperial war criminals after the fall of the Empire. This would have been an interesting continuation of Rogue One's narrative; a Star Wars show in which the darker side of the Rebel victory could be explored. In that scenario, the Rebels would have had to fight on the offensive, not defensively, reversing the war's dynamic entirely. The show could have explored how far the Rebels were willing to go to hold onto their hard-won freedom, and whether it mirrored anything the Empire did to hang onto its dictatorship.
At the time Lucasfilm was experimenting with "one-and-done stories within blockbuster movies," the article point sout. But Solo: A Star Wars Story "was unable to replicate the same winning formula" as Rogue One. "After that, the ideas for Star Wars' anthology movies fizzled out, essentially replaced with Star Wars TV once Disney+ launched in 2019."
And in an earlier article, Screen Rant points out that The Mandalorian "has already filled in the story gaps that the Rogue One writers were looking to explore. That series dug deep into the criminal underbelly of the post-Empire galaxy and how the remaining imperial loyalists chose to spend their time."
Re:Star Bores! (Score:4, Informative)
tbh the story was never the strength of this franchise. it was the good characters and the never seen before quality of fx that blew our minds back in the 70, the story was just your regular superficial soap. it went downhill from there. i remember going to a premiere of the force awakens. i had never ever fallen asleep in a movie theater before.
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Wrong! Anyone who knows understands why. What you're saying is true of Disney star wars, minus the groundbreaking SFX.
It's all over (Score:1, Redundant)
It did have three climactic light sabre duels in it, which was three too many as none of them advanced the story. It also had the Battle of Hoth again for a reason that was never explained.
Maybe it was explained and I had checked out and didn't notice. That's possible.
Was that the one where Leia died then flew through space and was resurrected? Don't know and don't care
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Rogue One was the last of the movies I enjoyed and like you, I didn't care much for the 3 sequels. The actors, sets, filmography, special effects, and music were great, but the writing and story-telling were disappointing.
However, I've really enjoyed the TV shows that Disney has produced. The Mandalorian and Boba Fett were really solid and "felt" a lot like the original movie. Kenobi was pretty good, and though it didn't feel as strongly written as the Mandalorian, it did bring a lot of nostalgia. Andor
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Rogue One is by far the best of the Disney-run Star Wars films. There are interesting characters, a decent story that someone bothered to plot out, a fun "Dirty Dozen in Space" vibe, no Mary Sues, and crikeys if all the major characters don't bite it in the end. I hear the original story was a lot darker, so if this is the softened up Mickey Mouse version, I can't imagine what the writers had envisioned Rogue One twould be. At any rate, a far better film than any of the three main trilogy films, which range
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Everything not working out for the good guys, at least perfectly, was a refreshing concept for blockbuster star wars. Order 66 is similar, but for Rouge One we are talking the cast on the movie posters just outright being deleted. All of them. The only thing I would change is spread some of it out a bit more. Could have lost 1-2 more people earlier. I'm satisfied either way.
Solo was enjoyable for me. It felt simpler despite the budget being similar to that of The Last Jedi. Perhaps a few t
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Rogue One is by far the best of the Disney-run Star Wars films.
Yes. "Solo" is also a favorite of mine.
"Andor" is taking Star Wars firmly to the realm of good sci-fi writing.
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Wrong!
Screenwriting 101: A watchable movie must have character, story, and emotion.
Solo is the best DSW because it is the most limited in scale and the only one that follows basic screenwriting rules to earn a passing grade as an adequately-conceived, genre-following limited scope heist story. It blends sci-fi and train heist adequately, and is thus watchable, but only once. I fell asleep during the second viewing. One of the great ironies is that the death of the franchise after TLJ made Solo actuall
As good as The Mandalorian is (Score:4)
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I was gonna say this. It was a Galactic EMPIRE, with tens of quadrillions of souls in known space. The idea that there would be no more stories to tell is absurd. But then, it is screen rant so that perspective is not exactly surprising.
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The best Star Wars stuff is the stuff that doesn't focus on Force users and instead shows us what the Rebellion was like for most of its members. Desperate, clandestine, living under fascism.
The Mandalorian is good when it's about Mando, and less good when it's about the former Jedi. Boba Fett was just crap. Andor had some pointless episodes, but when it was good it was REALLY good.
The Rebellion is where the interesting stories are, not the deus ex Jedi stuff.
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I really liked Rogue One, but I was never happy about the erasure of Kyle Katarn.
Ideas... (Score:4, Funny)
Producer #2: "Nah, that's too close to all the other films & TV shows since Disney bought the franchise - like flogging a dead horse."
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3 good movies in the franchise (Score:2)
Re:3 good movies in the franchise (Score:4, Informative)
Check out Andor.
Seriously -- check out Andor. It's surprising it was even put out by Disney. But it's incredible, and not like anything else they've done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
It's not woke.
The Critical Drinker has spoken for it. It's worth investigating.
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I'd not even know what things like "woke or "not woke" even mean anymore other than "I like this thing" or "I don't like this thing" but Andor was an incredibly pleasant surprise and I enjoyed the hell out of the series so yeah, I guess that means "not woke" or something.
Re: 3 good movies in the franchise (Score:2, Informative)
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I was going say - the main character isn't white, and although a lot of the rest of the cast are, there is at least one powerful female character (who must therefore be a Mary Sue).
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I'm going to explode your mind with another fact:
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse -- **also** not Woke.
See, it's possible to make a movie that's not about white people, and ALSO *not* woke.
Take some time, and think about how that might be.
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It's almost like "woke" is a largely arbitrary and mostly meaningless accusation.
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Hahaha, well done.
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Woke means "Going out of it's way to lecture and chastise men."
For example: When you're watching a show, and the appearance of a white male character automatically means that that person is an idiot -- that's "woke." When you're watching a show, and there's a diatribe about the superiority of women and the fundamental oppressiveness of men, -- that's "woke."
It's a bad thing.
Alien & Aliens & Terminator 2: Not Woke.
Captain Marvel, Last Jedi: Woke.
Re: 3 good movies in the franchise (Score:2)
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The funny thing about your post is that the two Aliens movies are totally "woke". Every one of Riply's superiors were male and they were all incompetent obstacles to her saving the day. Feminist academics love those two flicks in fact https://movieweb.com/feminism-... [movieweb.com] . The reason no one cared is because they're really fucking good movies and that's what I'm getting at in my own post. The problems with most of the movies people screech about being woke are just poorly written and directed movies. No one car
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I hear your claim, but I disagree. Just because the main character is a woman, it doesn't make it woke. Main characters are frequently surrounded by incompetents.
You could *make* it woke, if you had Ripley complaining about the men, making it about their sex. Alternatively, the male characters could be shown complaining about Ripley, making it about *her* sex. But that's not what we see -- When Ripley argues with Dallas and Ash, about the decision to bring Kane on board and the danger that represents, i
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I think you need to go back and rewatch those movies. Riply's male superiors are constantly talking down to her in both movies. The rest is just better writing than the movies you're citing.
There's plenty more to these movies being highly progressive (ie "woke") in regards to feminism as well. Just take the fact that the most badass of the space marines was very easily a women (Vasques) in an era when female soldiers werent even being considered in real life. Or how about how Riply is dressed? Skin tight se
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So, I'm rewatching, just for you. (How's that for work?) And I'm about 45 minutes into Alien, and I'm not seeing what you're alleging is there. There *is* a chain of command, but I don't see that anything is particularly distinguished on sex. For example, while the superior gets mad at her for judging that they should leave the guy outside, he also gets mad at the two guys complaining about their pay all the time. One woman slaps Ripley for wanting to have left them outside. But there's nothing, nothi
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That is certainly the original definition of this new modern usage of the word but is also not how I see it used the majority of the time. Personally, I think the rebranding has already happened.
Re: 3 good movies in the franchise (Score:2)
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THIS. Jar Jar and double-ended light sabers are for the kids. Andor is for grownups. Rogue One seems the same, but my family only made it through one episode before my kids decided that Ewoks and force lightning are better. I'll go back to it when I'm done with Andor - which I am *really* enjoying.
After the prequels, I hoped they'd let the whole series die. But every new movie or show they put out now is incredible. Keep them coming!
Solo: A Star Wars Story Was Shit (Score:2)
It was shit, that's why it didn't do well. Lucas kept going into gimicky bullshit too often. He should just keep it simple and try not to continuously shatter people's suspension of disbelief all the time.
Re: Solo: A Star Wars Story Was Shit (Score:2)
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To elaborate on what some one else has told you, Lucas hasn't been seriously evolved in a Star Wars production since the prequels.
Sequel? (Score:4, Funny)
A sequel to Rogue One? Didn't all the heroes die at the end of that? -- oops, sorry [*spoiler*] :-)
Maybe they were they thinking of a comedy, like Hamlet 2 [wikipedia.org]. (yes)
Re: Sequel? (Score:5, Funny)
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The days when new Star Wars was something special. (Score:1, Interesting)
Didn't some of the books go into this? (Score:1)
Re: Didn't some of the books go into this? (Score:3)
Sequel Trilogy shows Rebellion failed (Score:3)
Re: Sequel Trilogy shows Rebellion failed (Score:2)
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The sequel trilogy showed that the new republic had quickly fallen into the bureaucratic corruption of the old republic.
We can't get through one Slashdot story without crapping on Republicans can we.
The republic elected jar jar binks (Score:3)
Any republic that elects jar jar binks to the senate is one worth destroying.
Rogue One: Kool Aid Included (Score:3)
A Kathleen Kennedy / Bob Iger farce
The Rogue One Prequel is better... (Score:1)
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Andor, the Rogue One Prequel, as a Disney+ TV series is better than Star Wars movies 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, and 9 put together.
IMO that is like saying Rogue One Prequel's quality is better than zero...but not by much.
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I can't guarantee that you'll like it, but I highly encourage you to give Star Wars: Andor a try.
I would not fault you for one second for thinking, "How could it possibly be good?"
And I can't guarantee that you'll like it -- It's definitely not like Star Wars movies 4, 5, 6. It feels very different.
But I encourage you to try it and see if you like it.
Not darker just reality? (Score:2)
Whoever has the power needs an enemy to galvanize and unite the people they now lead. The Empire had the Rebels. The Rebels then had the Empire. Neither of those in power is more altruistic than the last. It's just the dynamics of acquiring and holding on to power. Empire vs Rebels == In Power vs Wanting Power. A story as old as life forms.
it always amazed me they never did a sequel (Score:2)
Killed the best characters (Score:2)
Aside from Rogue One having the best space battle sequences, the thing that keeps me from watching it over and over is the fact that they killed off some of the best characters. This just further convinces me that everyone in Hollywood is clinically depressed and can't handle giving the world stories that end on a bright note. They're all miserable and need to make sure that the rest of the world is just as miserable.
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It was a prequel to New Hope. I literally watched the two films back to back a couple of years ago, and they synchronize up well, and you can well understand why no one from Rogue One was going to make it out alive. Yes, it's depressing, but also in its own way shows how a revolution is greater than the sum of its parts, and that defeating the Empire had pretty humble beginnings and a whole lot of sacrifice.
More 6-12 Episode Shows with Good Creative Staff (Score:1)
I "liked" the new trilogy in the sense that it was more Star Wars. The actors were good, the characters were not entirely terrible, the sets/costumes/effects were awesome. But most of the story itself was terrible across all three movies. There were parts I liked, but overall they were trash stories. It also felt like they were trying to fit 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. Better writers making a better story would have made all the difference.
The tv shows are way better in my opinion. The effects/costu
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