2024 Ford Mustang Drops AM Radio From Infotainment (thedrive.com) 218
The new 2024 Ford Mustang is losing its AM radio receiver, reports The Drive. A Ford spokesperson confirmed the feature's deletion, citing that "countries and automakers globally are modernizing radio by offering internet streaming through mobile apps, FM, or digital." From the report: The availability of AM radio in new cars has declined over the last decade with shifts in media consumption habits, with AM radio's audience evaporating in Europe and accounting for only a small minority of the U.S. population. [...] It's a trend of concern to current and former U.S. emergency officials, who recently wrote the Secretary of Transportation a letter advising action on AM radio's disappearance. AM radio is a crucial component of the U.S.'s national alert network, with just 75 stations reaching more than 90 percent of the country's population. Officials are concerned that AM receivers' decreasing availability in new cars could compromise their ability to reach citizens during emergencies.
In central Florida (Score:3)
AM is mostly conservative talk radio and content geared towards the Hispanic demographic. Make of that what you will.
Personally, I haven't listened to terrestrial radio since this thing [fandom.com] came out. These days, it's Bluetooth killed the radio star, baby.
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" it's Bluetooth killed the radio star, baby."
Thats a bit like saying the headphone cable killed the radio star.
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Huh, central central Florida I'm guessing? 'Cause on the gulf coast of N Florida (Crystal River to Cedar Key to Steinhatchee and on...) the signs for hurricane evac info along the "designated routes" are all for AM radio stations....
Re:In central Florida (Score:4, Insightful)
AM is mostly conservative talk radio and content geared towards the Hispanic demographic. Make of that what you will.
It doesn't really matter what is on there. What matters is, AM still has a significant audience, and Ford just went "Fuck You" to customers. Considering how cheap it is to include AM reception in a car stereo, this decision really makes no sense on Ford's part. Of all the things driving up costs on new automobiles... new mandated safety equipment, for instance... the AM receiver's cost is a pittance in comparison.
AM Subscription ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Wonder how long until Ford or a partner monetizes the missing AM stations by streaming them instead to a subscription app on the entertainment unit?
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Who would pay for that? That sounds like an incredibly stupid business decision in a world of streaming services providing podcasts and music of interest directly geared to the listener.
Cable TV isn't dying because the same station is available over IPTV, it's dying because the idea of curated serial content that can't be skipped or selected by the end user without completely changing station, all split up by a string of ads or uninteresting bullshit is not something users enjoy.
There's no target market for
The real reason (Score:2, Interesting)
All the self driving hardware and related shit causes tons of interference on the AM band. I’m in the industry and it’s a known problem. Lidar, radar, can bus, ethernet, lvds cameras, and lots of high current switching power supplies.
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I've heard it's the electric motors, but AM is fine in my 2015 Model S. Or it was years ago when we last listened to AM. I expect with some efforts at shielding from the in-car interference, or possibly multiple antennas and some clever processing to cancel out the local interference, they could make AM work well in EVs, but the car companies just don't think it's worth it. We'll lose AM if we upgrade the media computer in the aforementioned car, as all the newer ones don't have it.
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Model 3, 2019, AM works just fine, better than FM and the same as the streaming service built in.
Nothing comes close... (Score:2)
... to an old school distributer and contact breaker for AM interference.
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New highway transmitters needed (Score:2)
All those "tune to 1610 for highway information" stations are going to get changed to FM. I wonder what frequency they will use?
That said, AM is mostly Spanish here.
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Most of those are in areas with not enough news radio service, so there's likely to be at least one FM frequency to put this on.
Oh, and if your AM is mostly "MEGA" it's a station reserved for the relaunch of CNET Radio.
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All those "tune to 1610 for highway information" stations are going to get changed to FM.
I haven't encountered those in years. Seems like there's no need for them anymore now that variable-message signs [wikipedia.org] have become more ubiquitous.
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Saw my first last year and for kicks tuned in. All it did was tell me there was a lot of traffic up ahead which I already knew because I was crawling in it....
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All those "tune to 1610 for highway information" stations are going to get changed to FM.
Many of them already have been, or they have both AM and FM. Since all the radios have had FM since the 1970s, it seems reasonably safe to make the switch completely now.
More to the point (Score:2)
What's Ford's economic reason for dropping AM support? Saving a literal nickle on the cost of the radio? That doesn't even make sense or, at least, not supporting AM make less sense than continuing support.
While I *do* listen to FM (and/or CDs) in the car, I'm not interested in (a) wasting mobile data on streaming music or (b) paying extra for digital radio subscriptions. Also, my area broadcasts local highway traffic conditions on AM.
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I have no problem tuning in AM in my Tesla.
Are they REALLY saving anything? (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously, I'd be completely SHOCKED if the chip in the system that does FM doesn't also do AM, so it's not like they're saving any meaningful amount of money by leaving it out. It's a virtual button on a touchscreen. Even if they did nothing to optimize the antenna & its reception completely sucked, it seems like fewer people would notice or care, compared to the few dozen people who'll bitch about its total omission.
I mean, HELL, the last time I looked at the datasheet for a radio receiver chip, it couldn't just do AM and FM, it could do them... and SSB... and pretty much any known variant of FM on any frequency below something like 4GHz. It's literally all commands over an i2c bus.
Then again, pretty much every Android phone made in the past 10 years has similar capabilities in their SoC that get disabled for the US versions, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that the Powers that Be would go disable a capability that's 'there' and 'free' anyway... just, because.
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The chips often only do FM, I believe that it's now cheaper but I'm not finding a reference.
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It's not just the chip, it's the antenna too. A modern car has a lot of radios - AM, FM, digital radio, cellular, GPS, and I hear that in the US there is also satellite radio. To get the best from all of them they need different antennas, tuned for their frequency ranges.
Usually the AM and FM ones are combined into a single antenna, but that doesn't do the FM and digital radio reception any favours. There are additional electronic design requirements for the head unit too, because AM is susceptible to diffe
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Seriously, I'd be completely SHOCKED if the chip in the system that does FM doesn't also do AM
I wouldn't be. Radio chips are available with a variety of support that you select optionally. You can get AM only, FM only, AM/FM, FM/DAB, AM/FM/DAB, (I've never seen AM/DAB), add in HD Radio and double the previous list as well a HD Radio only or DAB only. etc. etc. etc
The only one you can't get on the market is a SiriusXM chip that incorporates the above, that one appears to be available separately only. And this is before you consider that some automotive manufactures design / request custom designed ch
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Are they REALLY saving anything?
No they aren't, and it's very likely the ROC (Radio On Chip) they are using is SDR based (Software Defined Radio) and can decode about any frequency and modulation they would want, purely as a software function. And no, Frequency Modulation and Amplitude Modulation are not patent encumbered, so there are zero licensing fees for decoding those kinds of RF modulation (unlike some of the newer digital modes, which have audio codecs that are patented).
The one factor in this is the antenna, but for AM the anten
Drop Sirius XM instead (Score:2)
I listen to AM more than I Iisten to Sirius XM
Re: Drop Sirius XM instead (Score:4, Interesting)
I listen to the same six MP3 DVDs I burned and put into my car some 14 years ago.
There's a lot of music on those DVDs....
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Does it tell you about the 1 hr and 40 minute backup on interstate 30 in Dallas? Heard that one on radio 820 last night. Would find a movie to go to until that died down if I was actually headed for Dallas.
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I get that info from Google Maps.
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Does it tell you about the 1 hr and 40 minute backup on interstate 30 in Dallas? Heard that one on radio 820 last night. Would find a movie to go to until that died down if I was actually headed for Dallas.
Los Angeles resident here, traffic is a bear here too. Since GPS reroutes me, and gives me an ETA, this problem you bring up is solved. I suppose AM radio might update me sooner than my GPS gets wind of the slowdown, though......
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Try Waze.
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fuck the radio doesnt tell you that until you have been stuck in it for 20 min after listening to endless commercials
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That makes you the weird one, not Ford.
If AM is all that's working, car won't be for long (Score:2)
If it's a weather or earthquake emergency FM will work.
AM is a last resort communications method. If we are in a SHTF moment people will be walking or biking.
AM Radio is dead! (Score:2)
Won't be Buying (Score:2)
1) Am enjoying the hell out of our Dallas 50Kw station, WBAP, that broadcasts well over the horizon at night, something that FM can not do, with a really awesome signal a long way out.
2) The reason for dropping AM is usually that the car company finds it way cheaper than actually quieting all the electrical noise from their big motors, thus guaranteeing my hobby radios (ham radios) won't be able to hear the Voice of America if driving across the street from it.
No sale. On to the next candidate.
The real reason is... (Score:2)
1970's last time tried listening to AM (Score:2)
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In theory my Denton receivers (I have an older one and a newer one I got to handle stuff old one couldn't) can play AM stations. They even came with an AM antenna which no 'I did not plug in but I do have in a drawer nearby.
I am totally ready to tune in to AM at home to hear quality government advice about staying in place when the zombies come.
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Oh and the first damned thing I did at 3am for a stupid amber alert was turn that shit off. I do not need to get an alert at 3am about a kid 250 miles away taken by his dad after a bad divorce.
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"how many people even have a standard radio in their houses any more ?"
I do. It also has a crank to charge the battery as well as accepting AA batteries. It's intended for emergency use.
The camper has an AM capable radio as well, FM doesn't do well in the mountains. Cell phones don't work either. But then Teslas and Mustangs are not the kind of cars you take camping.
Someone Wants Bandwidth (Score:2)
AM receivers may be unusable in EVs (Score:2)
Seems like we recently had an article that indicated the electrical noise from the EV motors and drive electronics generated significant interference in the AM receivers making them useless. Disabling the AM receiver is probably easier than listening to complaints from customers.
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Boston's Liberal Talk: WRKO 680 / WZLX-HD2
Boston's Conservative talk: Talk 1200 (WXKS)/ WZLX-HD3
Seems there's a liberal station everywhere there needs to be one...
So I googled those two radio stations (Score:5, Informative)
I haven't actually listened to the radio but it seems like you've got a right wing radio channel and at best of center right channel. This is to be expected. We removed any laws regarding who could own radio stations and they're now owned by a handful of billionaires.
AM radio going away will be a major seismic shift in politics. Go look up a documentary called the brainwashing of my dad. It's about an apolitical father who got a long commute and spent it listening to AM talk radio, eventually falling down a rabbit hole and turning into a right-wing extremist.
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AM radio going away will be a major seismic shift in politics.
This YouTuber [youtube.com] recently did a video about the popularity of AM in New York, and surprisingly there's still a considerable audience for talk radio. My guess would be that they'll ultimately either move over to FM, or push harder for car manufacturers to start taking HD Radio [wikipedia.org] support more seriously.
As to the politics, I think you're putting the cart before the horse. People don't listen to conservative talk radio to change their political ideology, they listen to conservative talk radio because they already
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And watch that documentary, or read a summary. It absolutely moves people to the right
I personally know someone who went pretty far down the alt-right rabbit hole and it would've happened to him regardless. A big part of it begins with a conservative ideology already having a strong foothold within your family and local community. Truly apolitical people don't subject themselves to a daily diet of conservative talk radio (or in my ex-friend's case, Fox News and alt-right parts of social media).
I was working one afternoon at a customer's home and they left Fox News on the benefit of their p
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Was that dad's name Elon Musk? Cause I want to know what the hell happened to him that turned him into an actual Nazi over the last 3 or 4 years.
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Cause I want to know what the hell happened to him that turned him into an actual Nazi over the last 3 or 4 years.
This. [amprogress.org]
Re:AM radio (Score:4, Insightful)
Censored? Lefties tried their hand at talk radio [wikipedia.org], and failed miserably. Air America was poorly run and went bankrupt within six years. It appears not enough people were interested in what they had to say -- otherwise, they'd still be around.
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Yes, censored. The government should have given them money to get the "truth" out and forced all radio receivers to turn them in no less than 12 hours a day to make up for the historical and system injustice of people not wanting to listen to their shit.
Does anyone seriously think NPR or PBS would survive without tax dollars?
Re:Everything good about AM moved to FM or HD-FM (Score:5, Informative)
Maybe you missed this part (it isn't about entertaining you):
Am has a much longer range than FM.
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Alerts are now annoying loud text notifications you get on your phone. Granted most people do turn 'em off, because being woken up by a 2AM Amber alert one time is plenty enough. At any rate, I'd guess if you have the money to buy a brand new '24 Ford Mustang, you probably do own a cell phone (if for no other reason than to be able to call for a tow, because... well... it's a Ford after all).
Re:Everything good about AM moved to FM or HD-FM (Score:5, Informative)
Which you do not always get on your phone if you're out of range. When driving, you can be out of range of cell towers much more often than normal. Ie, let's say you're snowed in but have some electricity - the AM radio is your most reliable source of info, smart phone is unreliable, and FM is in the middle with a longer range than mobile but not nearly as good as AM.
I think a lot of people who say that have not used AM in years are right, but one big emergency and the usage may go way up. The real snag is that AM has been taken over by extreme talk radio, the sorts unlikely to relinquish their shouting heads for emergency alerts or news bulletins.
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When driving, you can be out of range of cell towers much more often than normal. Ie, let's say you're snowed in but have some electricity - the AM radio is your most reliable source of info, smart phone is unreliable, and FM is in the middle with a longer range than mobile but not nearly as good as AM.
AM radio would just give you more choices of what to listen to while you froze to death. What you'd really need is a drone to send your phone up to an altitude where it can reach the cell network and transmit a message requesting help, like this guy did [cbsnews.com].
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Gotta have a library of end of the world music on your cellphone nao. Probably better than whatever would be on AM unless the DJ were particularly based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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With AM you're talking kilohertz though - almost no bandwidth. Seems best suited to emergency things. or long distance telemetry/control etc... Or emergency communication.
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Actually AM radio a lot worse, because unless you have the radio on and tuned to the right station you're never even going to know there's been an alert. With a phone I'll eventually get it, unless I'm so far out in the wilderness that I'm away from a cellular signal for days at a time, in which case I probably don't care about whatever it is anyway.
The arguments for retaining this long-obsolete tech seem to me a bit like the arguments for teaching latin in schools, "it structures the mind" or whatever.
Re:Everything good about AM moved to FM or HD-FM (Score:4)
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When driving, you can be out of range of cell towers much more often than normal. Ie, let's say you're snowed in but have some electricity - the AM radio is your most reliable source of info, smart phone is unreliable, and FM is in the middle with a longer range than mobile but not nearly as good as AM.
Admittedly I've not owned one, but I've never been in a Ford Mustang in America which didn't have a SiriusXM receiver. A quick look at the coverage map shows that unless you're driving your Ford underground you will be far more likely to get coverage from that than from AM radio. And yes Sirius XM is part of the national alert system.
It's easy to make any statement you wish if you cherry pick only part of the system to suit your narrative. The reality is that AM radio, like mobile phones, like FM, like dig
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You have to pay extra monthly for XM Radio.....not everyone does that or wants to do that.
AM radio is free.
And there is a decent chance that if the drastic emergency hits th
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My car has sirus, I do not subscribe. It's expensive. They also spam me several times a week to continue the free trial, they do not understand the word "no".
On the otherhand there are plenty of portable radios that can be used in emergenc yes with AM/FM and some other channels. Some even have a charging crank. Maybe the solution is to keep on in the glove box.
Re:Everything good about AM moved to FM or HD-FM (Score:5, Informative)
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It doesn't matter if nobody tunes in.
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In Europe the decline of AM radio was kicked off by the demise of the AM transmissions by Radio Luxembourg [wikipedia.org].
In later years you can get any radio station you want streamed over the internet, so broadcast radio is now only valuable when you are driving around in a car since you don't want to pay for your streaming data volume there.
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Ya'll don't get unlimited data on your cell phones over there?
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It doesn't matter if nobody tunes in.
It's an inevitable spiral to the bottom if the lack of listeners is the excuse to remove AM receive from car radios. At that point people would have to go well out of their way to get AM receive back. Given that car radios appear to be moving away from standardized sizes for easy replacement it makes installing an aftermarket stereo even more expensive and time consuming. What is a person to do if they want AM reception and the car they want to drive doesn't include an AM receiver? Presumably cars these
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Given that car radios appear to be moving away from standardized sizes
"appear to be moving away"? The car audio system has for decades been part of the vehicle's systems in a way that a little interchangeable box in a DIN slot never was. For example in modern cars things like open door chimes and CEL warnings are piped through the speaker system, not announced with a separate buzzer. This has been the case for at least 20 years. And all modern cars have headends that include backup cameras and other systems that interface over the CAN (or other) bus using proprietary data - i
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But who knows that?
I don't think I've tuned AM in at least 15-20 years. I couldn't tell you a single AM frequency I can receive. In a case of "national emergency", finding an AM radio and station would probably not pop to the top of my head for things to do. You can say "it should be" all you want, but you're not going to use AM radio to reach 90% of the population, because 90% of them wouldn't know about turning it on.
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And... that has what to do with car radios? Unless you count the car as fulfilling the battery-powered radio suggestion...
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AM Skip was canceled around Y2K...
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The real question is if FM reached a practical area?
Which I expect it would for nearly all emergency scenarios in which you would be in a car.
Compared to a hundred years ago, weather forecasts are much more accurate and can pinpoint issues with less than 20 miles. A disaster on a level where AM would be the only effective broadcast, taking out a wide set of built and redundant infrastructure. Such a case I doubt driving would be ideal, as you would probably be bunkered down.
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I image Ford's action is partly to do with cost of shielding from the noise of the car itself, and partly to do with the customer experience (removing something that's rarely used and likely to having crappy results - results being the flipside of the shielding issue)
But in the US besides AM1610 for traffic/important information, AM is also used for emergency broadcast purposes. Around 2010 there was a huge power outage in southern California and there was only one AM station on the air. (I got the impressi
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But in the US besides AM1610 for traffic/important information, AM is also used for emergency broadcast purposes. Around 2010 there was a huge power outage in southern California and there was only one AM station on the air. (I got the impression they had a government grant or something for emergency power generators) I mean, I hope infrastructure people learned their lesson, but seriously, I doubt it.
I don't think it's a grant for power generation equipment, but some handful of AM radio stations have provisions in their license where they have the capability to transmit at MUCH higher power than they're normally allowed to, so that in an emergency, then can throw the switch to go to Plaid Power, and those small number of stations can each cover a huge chunk of the country.
Re: Everything good about AM moved to FM or HD-FM (Score:2)
But if nobody is listening, then what difference does it make?
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How can you tell nobody is listening? Yes, usually people are in internet or FM, but when they lose coverage what they do? Turn the device off or switch to AM?
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Maybe you missed this part
No, you just dishonestly left out the word "a component" from your quote, making it sound like without AM there is no alternative.
FM is also a component. As are mobile phones. And digital TV. And satellite radio such as sirrusXM.
Just because you don't have one of these components doesn't mean you've broken the system and are at risk.
Hand over the AM bands to FM (Score:2)
Problem solved.
Re:Hand over the AM bands to FM (Score:4, Informative)
Except for pesky old physics. FM stations are allotted bands that are 200khz wide. That's okay when you're broadcasting over 87MHz, but less so when you're broadcasting at 630 khz.
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"NOBODY goes on road trips EVER."
2021 road trip was from Virginia to North Slope of Alaska, Deadhorse. About 10K miles round trip. FM mostly not an option in the mountains. AM was only thing operable above Fairbanks as I remember it.
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AM Radio should have died 20 years ago. The reason it still exists is because you can make it with $2 in parts. The problem is those parts are large. Like large copper coils kind of thing.
FM radio meanwhile can be done on the same chips that are used for cell phone, bluetooth and Wifi. FM aka "transistor radio" is only like 5 transistors on a chip, it's easy to integrate into it.
AM radio however sounds much worse, consumes much more bandwidth, and arguably, is pointless.
So "digital" radio replaces analog r
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OTA Radio is clearly within range of being in a cell phone, but the carriers don't want it because they'd rather charge for iHeartRadio/Audacy apps using Internet bandwidth....
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AM radio however sounds much worse, consumes much more bandwidth, and arguably, is pointless.
As stated in the summary, one of the major points in its favor is range. I have driven from NYC to eastern TN and listened to the same AM radio station most of the way on nice clear nights (IIRC, 660AM WFAN). The governmental concern here is obvious: is the event of a disaster at national scales, a relatively small number of transmitters can reach almost the entire population with AM radio. FM would require many more (an order of magnitude?) Cell towers would be even more (and 5G towers are probably 2 o
Re:Everything good about AM moved to FM or HD-FM (Score:5, Interesting)
In our area all of the FM stations are IHeartMedia or Cumulus staple brands, with the few famous channels allowed to keep their branding but they fired all of the local DJ's and replaced them with "DJ's" that are all cookie cutter Random Factoid Top 40 Celebrity News spewers.
Many of the AM stations are independent stations that either play good music or at least have local news. There's a IHeartMedia and Cumulus Talk station in there, and you can pick up other conglomerate stations farther away, but the local stations are still locally owned and operated.
To say that I listen to AM more than FM would be an understatement.
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The point is, almost all of AM has found an LP-FM or FM-HD2/3 to be on.
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This is the future liebruls want! SAD!
I thought the conservative mantra was to roll up your sleeves and solve the problem yourself? So, you want to listen to AM radio but your shiny new car considers AM to be old and busted? Well, there's a few possible solutions. First, see if your desired radio stations are available for streaming. Perhaps IHeartRadio already carries them.
If your preferred stations aren't available for streaming, you can always roll your own streaming server using RTLSDR-Airband [github.com] and some inexpensive hardware, including an
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Bro, the conservative game is to roll back decades of progress, hence, AM radio should still be a thing. They don't need no fancy book larnin' or iFartRadio.
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At the moment it's the Left rewriting the books, you must have missed the Roald Dahl story.
It's also the Left that complains about Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn.
Remember we have always been at war with EastAsia.
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Maybe we can re-direct NPR and PBS funds to providing everyone a free TrumpAM Receiver to go alongside their ObamaPhone.
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Land Rover did all aluminium bodies in the 1960s. Problem is it costs more than steel, is harder to press and harder to knock back into shape then dented. And while it might be strong per unit *weight* than steel its weaker per unit *volume* which means you need thicker panels for the same strength even though they still weigh less than the steel equivalent.
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Land Rover did all aluminium bodies in the 1960s.
That has very little relevance to this discussion, because the 1960s defender did not utilize unit body construction. Making a full-frame vehicle with an aluminum body is easy, as in pathetically. This is because...
Problem is it costs more than steel, is harder to press and harder to knock back into shape then dented.
It does cost more, but it's dramatically easier to press, and it's also easier to beat back into shape, where "easier" is defined as the amount of energy it takes. Tooling for aluminum body panels lasts 2-3 times as long as tooling for steel panels because aluminum is so much easier to stamp. It
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" it's also easier to beat back into shape, where "easier" is defined as the amount of energy it take"
Try doing it , then get back to me.
"Uh yeah, that's why it takes more metal, which you already said. Repeat yourself much?"
Where did I already say it?
"In fact, we should outlaw steel unibodies."
So long as you personally make up the extra cost everyone will have to pay.
"You said some shit that I knew, but it was irrelevant, and you were more wrong than right. What a waste of time."
Looks like ChatGPT is havin
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Oh yeah, right, that was me at 3am blurry eyed trying to disable amber alerts on my phone about a kid 250 miles away taken by his dad.