House of Representatives To Hold Hearing On Whistleblower's UFO Claims (theguardian.com) 143
The House of Representatives in the United States plans to hold a hearing to investigate claims made by a whistleblower former intelligence official, David Grusch, that the US government possesses "intact and partially intact" alien vehicles. The Guardian reports: "There will be oversight of that," Comer told NewsNation. "We plan on having a hearing." Comer said he had heard about Grusch's claims, but added: "I don't know anything about it." The timing of the hearing is not yet determined, but a source familiar with the matter said a date is expected to be announced in the next few weeks. Tim Burchett and Anna Paulina Luna, Republican members of Congress from Florida and Tennessee, respectively, will lead the oversight committee investigation.
Burchett is working closely with House oversight committee leaders to prepare for a hearing, the congressman's office said. The witness list for the hearing has not yet been set, so it is unclear whether Grusch will publicly testify before the oversight committee. "Congressman Burchett's office is working through logistics, including a witness list of the most credible witnesses and sources who would be able to speak openly at an unclassified hearing," a spokesperson said.
Austin Hacker, a spokesman for the committee, told the Guardian in a statement: "In addition to recent claims by a whistleblower, reports continue to surface regarding unidentified aerial phenomena. The House oversight committee is following these UAP reports and is in the early stages of planning a hearing," Hacker said in a statement. "The National Defense Authorization Act for 2022 created the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office which coordinates among the Department of Defense, the intelligence community, Nasa, and other federal agencies to study UAPs. Americans, who continue to fund this federal government work, expect transparency and meaningful oversight from Congress."
Burchett is working closely with House oversight committee leaders to prepare for a hearing, the congressman's office said. The witness list for the hearing has not yet been set, so it is unclear whether Grusch will publicly testify before the oversight committee. "Congressman Burchett's office is working through logistics, including a witness list of the most credible witnesses and sources who would be able to speak openly at an unclassified hearing," a spokesperson said.
Austin Hacker, a spokesman for the committee, told the Guardian in a statement: "In addition to recent claims by a whistleblower, reports continue to surface regarding unidentified aerial phenomena. The House oversight committee is following these UAP reports and is in the early stages of planning a hearing," Hacker said in a statement. "The National Defense Authorization Act for 2022 created the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office which coordinates among the Department of Defense, the intelligence community, Nasa, and other federal agencies to study UAPs. Americans, who continue to fund this federal government work, expect transparency and meaningful oversight from Congress."
OK, I have to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
What actual problem are we trying to deflect from and smokescreen?
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You mean the guy charged with actual crimes? He's going to be begging the rubes for donations pretty soon, and they will sign over their paychecks.
Martha, get the checkbook! Trump needs our help!
Says the man living in the double wide to the millionaire.
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It says exactly what the whistleblower had indicated and corroborates the information from Hunter's laptop. It's only a matter of time now.
...but her emails!
You folks are the most depeserate bunch I've ever seen. https://www.independent.co.uk/... [independent.co.uk]
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Hillary and Biden ask people to obey the constitution
Regardless of how you feel about Trump, you can't honestly believe this, can you?
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I'm sorry to say that they probably can believe it.
They appear to believe that their side is a paragon of virtue and examples of "Real Americans" while the other side are reprehensible villains who want nothing more than to tear the nation apart and rule with an iron fist.
It doesn't matter if they're "Team Blue" or "Team Red." Both sides can be described similarly.
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That is a lie. The Hill goes over it” [thehill.com].
“There’s a confidential human source that the FBI works with who has proven to be very credible, who reported a conversation with someone else. That confidential human source said that he had no way of knowing about the underlying veracity of the things that he was being told,” Raskin said Monday after leaving the briefing.
“That’s why we’re talking about secondhand hearsay, here.
Yet consuming the right wing bubble media means you're sucker enough to believe lies. I mean hell, they even paid $700 million (so far!) for lying to you and you still believe their giant nothingburgers.
At what point does hypocrisy cross the line to mental illness?
I mean, I guess SOME amount is normal, but a pathological inability to see one’s own contradictions is something else entirely. Maintaining these delusions is why we stick to our echo chambers I suppose.
Anyway, yes, yes, Democrats would never tolerate exaggerated accusations. Never. NEVER. Do you hear me? NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!
You are the good! The righteous! The tolerant! The diverse! The educated! The superior! Those who believe in
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They'll spare no expense at seeing those Hunter Biden dick pictures. I've never seen a group so fascinated with other people's genitals.
I think you're projecting what you are most interested in seeing versus the rest of us.
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
Trump's lawsuits seem to coincide with the whistleblowing and announcement of these hearings. Given that the Reps closed down all investigations into Trump's illicit activities, they've good reason to want to distract people.
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"Trump's lawsuits seem to coincide with the whistleblowing and announcement of these hearings. Given that the Reps closed down all investigations into Trump's illicit activities, they've good reason to want to distract people."
His voters are exactly the ones falling for stories like these.
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Believing in little green men is pretty much on the same level of gullibility as believing trump is there to help you and/or america. I think the move is to park the gullibility somewhere safe, far away from truth, until the trump is ready to accept the full gullibility once again.
"Hmm, maybe Trump is not so good after all...
Hey, look! UFO's are real! Trump must be good! Good... Good!?.. God!! Trump must be God! So the aliens come to worship our God Trump! Now it all makes sense! Thank you, Jesus!!"
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:5, Funny)
More like these indictments which could have come at any time were dropped to coincide with the whistleblower report corroborating $10m in Burisma payments to Joe and Hunter Biden finally being delivered to congress by Director Wray in response to contempt of congress filings.
I know, I know, and I feel for ya, I really do. Problem is though, that Republican whistleblowers either can't be found, or defect to Russia when it's time for the rubber to hit the road.
I mean, whatever happened to accusations being enough?
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:4, Insightful)
I know, I know, and I feel for ya, I really do. Problem is though, that Republican whistleblowers either can't be found, or defect to Russia when it's time for the rubber to hit the road.
Like the Biden sexual harassment accuser? Defected to Russia. Who knew? https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31... [cnn.com]
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I know, I know, and I feel for ya, I really do. Problem is though, that Republican whistleblowers either can't be found, or defect to Russia when it's time for the rubber to hit the road.
Like the Biden sexual harassment accuser? Defected to Russia. Who knew? https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31... [cnn.com]
Exactly. That Comer weirdo has been saying that the whistleblowers in their other vapor-cases are afraid to come forth now, because old sleepy Joe and his thugs are going to do bad things to them. Amazing how the far left and far right have the exact same dislike for due process.
Schrödinger's Biden, a senile doddering demented old fool who simultaneously is a mastermind of strategy and manipulation and skulduggery.
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Just a reminder... Congress had no say in the timing of this whistleblower coming forward, nor the whistleblower who came forward with the Biden related report.
But Director Christopher Wray had control over the timing of both the releasing the report and the indictment and used that control to drop them on the same day. Stick your head in the sand all you like but your boys are still dirty and so are you who continue to support them.
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yup and what about $2 billion to Kushner, crickets.
You mean the $2B that you can actually point to as being an investment in businesses that aren't a nest of phony shell LLCs, and which actually pay taxes on earnings, and which didn't distribute cash to ex-wives, and grandchildren? You mean $2B that was actually handled with proper paperwork, and about which both the investor and the company in which the money was invested are happy to discuss with anyone who asks?
Let's compare that to the web of meaningless Biden-spawned LLCs that don't actually produc
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You mean the $2B that you can actually point to as being an investment in businesses that aren't a nest of phony shell LLCs, and which actually pay taxes on earnings, and which didn't distribute cash to ex-wives, and grandchildren? You mean $2B that was actually handled with proper paperwork, and about which both the investor and the company in which the money was invested are happy to discuss with anyone who asks?
Oh, come on.
Look, there's no fucking doubt that people were trying to pay-to-play through Hunter Biden, just as there's no doubt that a similar attempt is made with the children of every powerful person.
$2B from the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund when the due diligence report said "fuck no", and he was given a $25M retainer regardless of performance?
It's fucking obvious what that is. That's pay-to-play.
Were either of them explicit on the side of the useful idiots being targeted? Who knows. But the intent
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Foreign airborne incursions. There's a war on you know...maybe you heard?
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
I'll add this report as another thing the Republicans won't want too much observation of.
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Fortunately, most of those 12 million are too cheap to use their own guns and ammunition and too chickenshit to do it themselves.
They'd rather sit and fantasize that John Wayne, Rambo, and the A-Team will rescue them like the princesses they are.
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Because there's no way to turn millions of formerly law-abiding, peaceful people into soldiers intent on eradicating their tormentors.
Especially when the left are such principled people, with nothing but love, tolerance, and compassion even for those they disagree with. They only want to share power in a country with fair elections and equal treatment under the law.
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
A quarter of Americans believe in the ‘great replacement’ theory
Agree or strongly agree: The Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World
It is absolutely clear that these UFOs didn't come looking for intelligent life.
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Yes, and the Sacklers seem likely to get clean away with it too. But while Perdue's pushing of pain killing drugs would be an interesting theory to explain the draw 50% of the country has to a Fascist who promoted violence against peaceful opponents, against journalists, and who tried to have an election overturned by promoting a violent insurrection at Capitol Hill, it's a hypothesis that would require more study, in particular surveys of those involved in the latter to see if they were on oxycodone etc for extended periods and when.
I think the real answer is much simpler.
The fascists were always there.
They just know when to shut up and pretend to blend in.
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We can't say all 50% of them are fascists. A good percentage must also simply be useful idiots and self-interested people who think they can ride the Fascist rodeo, relying on our guardrails to keep them from going full-fascist.
These people don't self-identify as fascists, but they are that for anyone classifying them from the outside. I think they were probably busted out of their shell by Sarah Palin's VP run, an
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It's the right question to ask, that should be asked, but it won't generate the clicks.
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Fortunately I have a real job and am not dependent on clicks.
And asking the right questions actually is part of my job. No, I'm not really well liked at my job, why do you ask?
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Fortunately I have a real job and am not dependent on clicks.
And asking the right questions actually is part of my job. No, I'm not really well liked at my job, why do you ask?
My job too, but my people love me. Long ago I cultivated the skill of telling people to go to hell in a way that they look forward to the trip. 8^)
Hey, but I like ya!
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Mr. Churchill, I presume?
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Mr. Churchill, I presume?
President of a competitive Youth Ice Hockey Association.
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If you want to be liked, security and internal auditing are not the places to go.
What's still up for debate is whether antisocial assholes choose those professions or whether they make you an antisocial asshole.
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I've been here for awhile, when was the time that "experts commented on stuff they knew"?
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Lots of experts: "Prius batteries will break in a few months", "SSDs will last less than a year", "The Mars rovers should have had windshield wipers", "Tesla batteries will last less than a year".
There was no golden age!
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I've been here for awhile, when was the time that "experts commented on stuff they knew"?
One of the first articles, if not the first, I ever read on /. was about the landing of the Beagle 2. In the comments, one of the engineers was talking about it [slashdot.org].
So there is one example.
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Easy answer: Everything. It's to distract from everything.
If you haven't noticed, that's also the purpose of most of everything else they talk about in the chamber. But aliens are going to be the least offensive topic to everyone. Pure entertainment, which is what people are looking for in their representatives now.
Solutions are a no-go zone. Too scary. Hell, people barely pay attention to the problems slapping them in the face. It's the negative side of human adaptiveness. Things that shouldn't be normaliz
Re:OK, I have to ask (Score:4, Insightful)
The problem for these Congress critters, is that they haven't found anything that sticks yet in their never ending quest to smear the President from the opposite party.
It's very clear that the "weaponization of government" committee chair and majority have found absolutely nothing, and in fact just made themselves look unbelievably stupid. The only people that think this isn't a huge waste of time and resources are the people stuck in the Hunter Biden Echo Chamber.
This is probably just another thing: OMG we've had proof of space-faring aliens this whole time and BIDEN DIDN'T TELL US - never mind that their GOP boy was just in there 2 years ago and didn't say shit either, if there actually is anything to say shit about.
These people are not serious about governance. They want nothing more than to try to beat up the political opposition so they can grab more power for themselves.
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>It's very clear that the "weaponization of government" committee chair and majority have found absolutely nothing, and in fact just made themselves look unbelievably stupid. The only people that think this isn't a huge waste of time and resources are the people stuck in the Hunter Biden Echo Chamber.
Please don't be naive. This is a very successful operation for the people pushing these narratives. Unfortunately for you and I, the end result of these types of things are to generate soundbites for campaig
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I'm starting to come around to the opinion that the US military has decided US representatives and senators pointing at verifiable stars and 737s and talking about UFOs is just good for business.
Russia is a kind of a joke and China won't last forever, but shaky cam shots of the stars and fighter jocks making high speed passes of balloons are forever.
Holy Ark and Grail (Score:2)
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We'll know that government is truly insane if the next US president orders an invasion of Ethiopia to retrieve the Ark of the Covenant.
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They were mad enough to invade Afghanistan to try and bring democracy despite the greeks, persians, british and russians all failing to bring that country to heal at various times in history. But as the saying goes, those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
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I prefer Hegel's take, "The only thing that we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history."
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They liked it even better when the US was arming them in the 80s. We supported them directly the first time they came to power.
It might be the starkest illustration of the negative effects of two-timing, schizophrenic foreign policy. That part is getting worse, seems they can barely keep a consistent policy within the same administration these days. Doesn't help when the commander in chief is a wildly oscillating blowhard and his crew has more turnover than McDonald's.
And yet, while all that's going on, the
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Glad to hear this! (Score:4, Funny)
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https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]
This news also came out at about the same time as the whistleblower and Representative hearing announcement, as did Trump's indictment.
I'd say that the Republicans have a lot of reasons to throw up smokescreens right now.
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https://youtu.be/mrXzf3glemc [youtu.be]
If I ever found aliens I wouldn’t talk about (Score:1)
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I'm curious what the breakdown is between "actually believes that" and "willing to troll a survey". It's a much smaller fraction than, say, belief in the supernatural or believing a motherboard is the main deck of a cruise ship. Or believing HTML is an STD (as in sexually transmitted disease, not a standard).
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I don't think they're smart enough to troll a survey. People base their entire personality on gun ownership and jesus and this is what you get. Change jesus to Mohammed and you have the Taliban.
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Expect transparency (Score:2)
Good to see that some people still have a sense of humour.
Who is going to be asked ? (Score:2)
Proper title (Score:4, Insightful)
FTFY.
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Space is that big and the USA takes up 1.8% of the earth's surface and yet UFOs only crash land here.
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Yes, except that isn't true. 20 seconds on google will find you stuff in UK, Russia, Mexico and pretty much the rest of the planet with rare exceptions. I don't know of any North Kora UFO reports, for example.
20 seconds on Google will also find you ample reports on how the Egyptian pyramids were actually made by aliens, and how mermaids, unicorns, and various forms of Sasquatch/Yeti/Bigfoot are running circles around "scientists" that just can't seem to find a single scrap of Yeti poop, a Sasquatch bone, or a tuft of Bigfoot hair despite - we're assured - thousands of years of them living in the woods behind your house.
20 seconds of Google will indeed find you reports of UFO stuff from all around the world .
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Why do all these advanced alien craft crash all the time? Assuming they exist, found us, and buzz our cows...
I've asked a few true believers "Why do Aliens like eating cow assholes?" They kinda get pissed at me, then mumble something about the aliens must know something or other. https://7news.com.au/spotlight... [7news.com.au]
As far as this whistleblower guy goes, I always find it interesting when people with solid careers come out to the public about stuff. What's the motivation? He's not selling a book, doesn't have a website selling 5g radiation shields, wasn't drummed out of the civil service for being a nutball. Why throw it all away? Why now? I can only speculate. Maybe they fed his baby to the aliens. Who knows?
My hypothesis is that some older men reach a state of getting entirely too pissed off at incredibly inconsequential things. And they can approach a psychotic break. I've seen it happen with old guys starting to believe weird conspiracies and going ultra-cranky and kooky. I gave my wife permission to shoo
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More likely, I think our pre-ice age ancestors were more advanced than we believe because none of those structures could have been built by some small clan hunter gatherers who have barely figured out basic farming.
Yes, the human race, for all it's bad traits like the pre-installed lust for killing other humans, is clever and pretty smart. I think we just self destruct every so often. Are present day humans at their all time pinnacle? Quite possibly. But there are some tanatalizing hints that we had some interesting capabilities in the past.
So I have no doubt that the anomalous structures were built by humans - I mean, I'd be more likely to ascribe it to some aliens if the pyramids were constructed of some exotic a
Don't think it will show anything. (Score:2)
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I personally don't believe they never found something, I'm pretty sure they did.
You sure have a low standard for what you are sure about....
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Or perhaps, and I know a lot of you think this is a long shot, it won't find anything because there is nothing there to be found.
Battling against religious fervor. The true believers simply will not accept anything that doesn't say Yes! there are aliens. And yes! we have their technology. And Yes! we won't use it because reasons.
Produce the technology, and produce the Aliens. Then I'll believe.
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Beings capable of faster than light or even possibly interdimensional travel and yet they fuck up and crash? This guy sounds like a writer for the old Weekly World News rag. How is Bat Bay and Elvis doing?
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That's right. For all we know about extraterrestrial life, they probably have factions in close contact that hate each other too.
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They're probably called Republigreys and Demogreens...,.
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Beings capable of faster than light or even possibly interdimensional travel and yet they fuck up and crash?
No, no, they fuck up and crash repeatedly!
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Starships do that,
But only in your fantasy because no human has actually seen a starship.
And you'd have to fantasize that these 'starships', as you call them, have the capability to travel between stars, but are harmed by the random output of a puny star the earthlings call sun. That's quite a feat of suppressing cognitive dissonance.
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This guy is going to be selling a book next. All he says is that people have told me these things and no I can't name them and I have zero proof.
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But this guy that is testifying IS an official and has officials like inspectors general backing him up.
The last time I recall major coverage on former defense officials (usually pilots and nuclear missile silo officers) testifying about this stuff, it was a the national press club, with the disclosure project, in mid-late 2001.
Claims (Score:4, Insightful)
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Anyone can claim anything. Show some actual evidence or proof of some kind.
Indeed. [nypost.com]
oh wait, you were talking about the UFO guy.
First things first (Score:1)
They may want to check this Grusch charachter's phone records, bank statements, messaging / social media accounts etc, to help determine what 'sponsors' he's been talking to.
For good measure, maybe include close relatives or friends too.
Option B: just ignore. If/when aliens come knocking, we'll know soon enough.
Let me guess where they're hiding the evidence... (Score:2)
If, and it's a big IF (Score:2)
If we do have crashed alien technology it would be like chimps finding an iPhone. IF Lazar and Grusch are correct so what? In terms of technical advantage I see none. Now, toppling religious ideology I'm all for however. I'm just afraid Tsoukalos and others like him will create a new religion around this.
Sceptical (Score:4, Interesting)
Do we really have to believe that such an advanced species would dumbly crash their planes here? So unlikely.
More likely these sightings are super advanced super secret programmes by USA, Russia or China. The first one being more likely. Aliens is a handy distraction.
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If the craft has an alien in it, that doesn't change anything really; it could still be a disposable space probe, just with a livin
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A deliberate crash makes perfect sense.
Aliens, too fucking dumb for orbit. Am i right?
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Do we really have to believe that such an advanced species would dumbly crash their planes here? So unlikely.
And why exactly would "advanced tech" be immune to a malfunction? Or immune to an idiot at the helm?
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And why exactly would "advanced tech" be immune to a malfunction?
Because the tech was built to travel between stars. Kindof stupid to have these craft then crash on earth in large numbers.
The only sensible explanation for the crashes, if they actually happened, is that the tech is not from outer space but instead is human made.
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I personally don't believe for a second that any of the recent airborne "sightings" are space aliens. I would like them to be, but no.
From science fiction point of view, a plausible way for alien artifacts to end up in US govt custody would involve aliens visiting in the past, and leaving their garbage behind. Consider the Apollo landers we left on the Moon. A variety of reasons could have led them to abandon some gear... They didn't need it anymore and there's an energy cost involved in lugging it back hom
Go to James Guilliland's ranch for the night (Score:2)
More sources ... (Score:2)
https://www.nysun.com/article/... [nysun.com]
The sources told Mr. Shellenberger that they felt compelled to speak out in order to buttress Mr. Grusch’s claims. All did so anonymously because they are subject to “non-disclosure agreements or secrecy agreements that we are supposed to take to the grave,” one said.
“I briefed the Senate intelligence committee, the Senate Armed Services Committee, and ARRO, and so that information is out there,” another source said. “What Grusch did was t
Existence of UFOs in US custody has been debunked (Score:2)
by the Trump presidency. If we had any, he would've demanded one be placed on the front lawn of Mar-a-Lago so he could show it off. There's no way the guy could keep a secret this big.
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Trump's generals wouldn't even tell him what deployments were actually in Syria.
It's absurd to think that black book operations would disclose anything, unless it was necessary to promote more military spending.
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No wonder. Before you know it he'd want to build a space wall to keep the job stealing raping criminal aliens out.
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Every time I read in the news about an American citizen that's been victimized by some foreign-born criminal that's been deported multiple times, I know who to blame.
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And every time the US underplays its foreign-living victims a nest of puppies is gassed.
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Which is why when the democrat corporate media machine that has been cheerleading another pointless wasteful proxy war starts talking about aliens, it's probably a diversion.
Transparency and meaningful oversight (Score:2)
Fishy (Score:2)
The government had plans to ASSASSINATE Julian Assange (cablegate and DNC emails), yet these UFO whistleblowers whose leaks may be even more damaging to national security suffer nothing? They even get help in the form of official acknowledgment? How is anyone supposed to believe this?