Two New 'Star Wars' Movies Will Begin Filming (cbr.com) 147
"The Mandalorian & Grogu and Daisy Ridley's untitled Star Wars movie have received working titles ahead of their respective production starts," reports CBR:
According to The Cosmic Circus, The Mandalorian and Grogu will be filmed under the working title "Thunder Alley", while Ridley's Star Wars movie will be known as "New Jedi Order..." The Mandalorian & Grogu will be the first Star Wars movie to enter production since 2019's The Rise of Skywalker, the ninth and final installment in The Skywalker Saga...
[In Ridley's untitled Star Wars movie], Ridley will reprise her role from the Star Wars sequel trilogy as Rey, with the new movie set to follow the fan-favorite Jedi as she rebuilds the Jedi Order roughly 15 years after the events of The Rise of Skywalker... Other Star Wars movies in the works include James Mangold's upcoming feature about the origins of The Force, set during the Dawn of the Jedi era; and Dave Filoni's feature-length film set in the New Republic era that will conclude post-Return of the Jedi storylines that began in The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and the upcoming Skeleton Crew.
"California's Film Commission announced in a news release Monday that Lucasfilm's upcoming feature film The Mandalorian & Grogu will be produced entirely in the state," reports the Press Democrat, "one of 15 movie productions coming to fruition thanks to California's Film and TV Tax Credit Program." Based on the popular Disney+ series and directed by "The Mandalorian" creator Jon Favreau, "The Mandalorian & Grogu" is set to be the first film in the franchise's 46-year history to be shot entirely in the state and the biggest blockbuster in the history of the commission's tax credit program, bringing approximately $166 million to the state's economy through wages and expenditures, the release said. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the film will get $21.8 million in tax credits.
The Mandalorian & Grogu, which is due to begin filming later this year and is currently expected to be released sometime in 2026, will continue the story of the titular lone bounty hunter and his alien baby companion that began in the three-season series, Lucasfilm announced last month.
[In Ridley's untitled Star Wars movie], Ridley will reprise her role from the Star Wars sequel trilogy as Rey, with the new movie set to follow the fan-favorite Jedi as she rebuilds the Jedi Order roughly 15 years after the events of The Rise of Skywalker... Other Star Wars movies in the works include James Mangold's upcoming feature about the origins of The Force, set during the Dawn of the Jedi era; and Dave Filoni's feature-length film set in the New Republic era that will conclude post-Return of the Jedi storylines that began in The Mandalorian, The Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka and the upcoming Skeleton Crew.
"California's Film Commission announced in a news release Monday that Lucasfilm's upcoming feature film The Mandalorian & Grogu will be produced entirely in the state," reports the Press Democrat, "one of 15 movie productions coming to fruition thanks to California's Film and TV Tax Credit Program." Based on the popular Disney+ series and directed by "The Mandalorian" creator Jon Favreau, "The Mandalorian & Grogu" is set to be the first film in the franchise's 46-year history to be shot entirely in the state and the biggest blockbuster in the history of the commission's tax credit program, bringing approximately $166 million to the state's economy through wages and expenditures, the release said. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the film will get $21.8 million in tax credits.
The Mandalorian & Grogu, which is due to begin filming later this year and is currently expected to be released sometime in 2026, will continue the story of the titular lone bounty hunter and his alien baby companion that began in the three-season series, Lucasfilm announced last month.
I reserve judgment (Score:5, Insightful)
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I started doing that with the prequels. Saw the first in theatre, second on broadcast television, third I didn't bother.
I will admit they suckered me back in with the sequel trilogy but I went through the same pattern.
I'm a little more lax with the streaming shows... they vary in quality but I watch 'em and forget about the bad stuff afterwards. Though Book of Boba Fett should have any storage media holding copies purged with prejudice.
Re: I reserve judgment (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:I reserve judgment (Score:4, Informative)
Saw the first in theatre, second on broadcast television, third I didn't bother.
Too bad, Episode III was the best of the prequels.
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That is called, "damning with faint praise".
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Funny. In the prequels, the first one was atrocious (face it, it was an overlong ad for the podracer computer game), the second one was boring (it was like watching C-SPAN in Space) and the third kinda redeemed the bunch.
In the sequel, the first was a so-so setup movie (not good, with a lot of character errors and atrocious storytelling, but it could have been a setup to better things), the second was basically sinking the franchise (seriously, it introduced one item after another that made any sensible con
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I watched the first sequel and decided I was done with Star Wars. I just can't anymore. I accept that I'm no longer the target audience and that's that.
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The third one is pretty decent. The first was a disgrace for the same reason Ep7 was one: Some character who has no reason to know or do something as well as they do can basically do whatever is necessary to save the day. That this character was a child didn't exactly improve the fact... Second was a boring politics thriller in the Star Wars universe. An ok movie if you want to see something like that, but that's not what most people want to see. It's like going to a movie to see an action comedy and get a
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Episode 3 was less terrible than the first two. But it was still terrible. The plot issues abound. To turn Anakin to the dark side, the emperor vaguely promises he can bring back Anakin's love of his life back from the dead . . . but the emperor never does. And the dialog between Anakin and his secret wife appears does not get better from the first two movies; it still sounds a pre-teenager wrote their lines and Lucas rubber stamped it. Then Padme dies in childbirth . . . as she "lost the will to live" beca
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Well, in a world where magical juju runs the whole show, losing the will to live may well be a death sentence. But some Sith mumbo-jumbo is just as good an explanation. Or some assassin. After all, Palpatine had every reason to off her. Not getting his hands on the offspring, on the other hand, that doesn't make any sense. After all that's what he was after.
The Jedi council may well just have been too caught up in its own hubris. It was pretty self-righteous and aloof, so it could just as well not have take
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Well, in a world where magical juju runs the whole show, losing the will to live may well be a death sentence.
Not when we can put people in a medically induced coma today with our primitive equipment. Remember the medical droid said there was nothing wrong with her medically. If they had written it to where she had medical complications that their medicine could not overcome that it would have been somewhat plausible.
But some Sith mumbo-jumbo is just as good an explanation. Or some assassin. After all, Palpatine had every reason to off her. Not getting his hands on the offspring, on the other hand, that doesn't make any sense. After all that's what he was after.
I do not know what you are talking about. Palpatine is capable of murder light years away without knowing where she is? And he didn't know what happened to the children? That explanation causes more h
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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>Too bad, Episode III was the best of the prequels.
And SuPrep give the best cases of diarrhea ever.
but hardly a reason to drink It if you don't need a colonoscopy [see how I returned to the subject of the prequels?]
hawk
Re:I reserve judgment (Score:4, Insightful)
Disney botched the third trilogy so badly that some people thought Episodes 1-3 were good.
That's mostly a result of Episodes 1-3 having been released so long ago that they're now literally the Star Wars movies Gen Z grew up watching. Feel old yet?
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GenX grew up on the OG. Millennials grew up on 1-3.
This depends on the years that you use to determine GenX vs Millennial, as well as the years that specific individuals were born. I was born in 1982. Wikipedia considers me a Millennial (1981 to 1996) but I definitely identify more with GenX and always considered myself to be GenX while growing up.
But let's say for the sake of argument that I am a Millennial. I was 17 in 1999. So I personally didn't grow up with Ep 1 - 3. I grew up with OG. Though late Millennials, born in '95 or '96 would have been *much*
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Indeed. I have lost interest completely.
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People wanted more "classic" Star Wars and that's what they received, story be damned.
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No, there was no story. The director of TLJ explicitly stated in an interview that he didn't care about making a movie that fit in a franchise world, and there was never any overarching plan from the start for the movies. KK refused the rough outline of a script for the sequology that Lucas offered and each movie was effectively created standalone except for the characters used.
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No, there was no story.
Yes there was, it just happened to be the exact same story as the original, and far more poorly written with a few additional plot holes.
Re:I reserve judgment (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm actually pretty happy that they basically rehashed the original story, that way you can compare the characters and showcase what to do and moreover what not to do when designing characters.
It's really a masterclass in that.
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> some people thought Episodes 1-3 were good. They were not.
Yup, especially Episode 1. RLM (Red Letter Media) got kind of famous for pointing out how shit Episode 1 was [youtube.com] aka Mr. Plinkett's Star Wars Review.
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I have tempered enthusiasm until I know more. Disney botched the third trilogy so badly that some people thought Episodes 1-3 were good. They were not. They were just a different kind of bad.
I simply avoid watching them, don't even think about them. After IV, V, and VI the entire franchise seemed to start slowly sliding down a Tattooine hillside.
Re: I reserve judgment (Score:2)
The Fraud is strong in this one... (Score:5, Insightful)
Rey a "fan favourite"? Seriously? They must have worked hard to dig up enough people to even pretend that's true. Those movies truly, genuinely sucked, and so did that character...it wasn't a case of a good character in a bad movie.
Re:The Fraud is strong in this one... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think there is a fair bit of fan appeal for Rey just from the appeal of Daisy Ridley herself.
I certainly am not going to lay the ST problems at the hand of Ridley, who I found pretty charismatic and fit the universe well, or really any of the cast who I thought were all pretty well selected and giving it their best.
Much like Hayden Christensen, Natalie Portman and Ewan McGregor they were good actors given shit material to work with. Audiences I think today recognize that fact, such that it was popular demand that saw Ewan return to play Obi Wan despite the reputation those films have.
Re:The Fraud is strong in this one... (Score:4, Insightful)
I like Ridley. She's done with an atrociously designed character what she could to make it a likable one. I hope she gets better writers for the next ones.
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She really shined opposite Adam Driver in Last Jedi. We saw why Rey really was, and why she could be the real chosen one, the one who finally brings balance to The Force.
The prequels established that the Jedi Order itself was largely responsible for all the bad things that happened. They didn't help Anakin when he needed it, and were too complacent and too arrogant to stop the Emperor taking over. Luke, as much as he meant well, was trained by Jedi and fell into the same trap. The light/dark side dichotomy,
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It was a case of a good character in bad movies. She was great, but the plots sucked, and she couldn't save that. Maybe you didn't like her, but that's your problem.
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She didn't bother me at all. Sadly, I saw the first movie one time and what really put me off was the emo bad guy (the actor does other stuff I liked) and the extremely poorly redone story line. It lacked any kind of originality. As I posted above, the movie killed SW for me.
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I like characters with some arc. I saw very little in hers.
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Rey a "fan favourite"? Seriously? They must have worked hard to dig up enough people to even pretend that's true. Those movies truly, genuinely sucked, and so did that character...it wasn't a case of a good character in a bad movie.
I agree the movies sucked, but she and her character were fine.
The biggest issues with the movies they couldn't decide what they were doing. Were they remakes or something different? Was Finn on a path to become a Jedi, or just be an everyman. Were Finn and Rose supposed to be a couple, or not.
Star Wars is a space western, it works best with simple straightforward storylines, the last 3 were anything but that.
But freed of the constraints of the trilogy plot-line they've shown they can make good movies.
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There was a lot of problems in TLJ but there was a message there that anyone could become a Jedi and a hero. But then The Rise of Skywalker undid all that. You can only be powerful force user if you a Palptine or a Skywalker.
I think that nails part of it. Star Wars was a fairly old-school feudal story, blood lines are critical and power is inherited with the conflict being about how you handle that power and responsibility. They changes it to something more egalitarian with Finn and then later backtracked.
Same thing with Finn and Rose, they made a bi-racial couple choosing a non-traditional female for the pairing, and then completely jettisoned her in the next film.
I don't know if it was write-by-committee or panic from the stu
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A lot of Star Wars media has a plodding inevitability about it. We all know where it is going, we all know who is going to win in the end, we all know what the basic formula is. The times when it is really good are the times when it goes against expectation.
In Empire the heroes end up losing. Han is frozen, Luke loses to Vader, the Empire is no closer to being beaten.
In The Last Jedi, we finally get the admission that all the bad stuff that happened before was basically the fault of the Jedi themselves, and
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A lot of Star Wars media has a plodding inevitability about it. We all know where it is going, we all know who is going to win in the end, we all know what the basic formula is. The times when it is really good are the times when it goes against expectation.
Is it though?
In Empire the heroes end up losing. Han is frozen, Luke loses to Vader, the Empire is no closer to being beaten.
Empire is arguably the weakest of the original trilogy, those losses arguably set up high points from later films, but they weren't highlights in themselves.
In The Last Jedi, we finally get the admission that all the bad stuff that happened before was basically the fault of the Jedi themselves, and that the bloodlines and light/dark dichotomy are part of the problem. Rey is the true chosen one, bringing balance to the Force.
I watched it... and I can vaguely kinda remember that. I think that discounts it as a high point.
I agree the bloodline stuff is problematic philosophically, but Star Wars wasn't really the vehicle for addressing that.
In Andor, we get to see a much less romanticised version of the rebellion. Far from being a hero motivated by love of freedom, Andor is mostly looking out for himself and his friends, and even after his mistreatment by the Empire, he's mostly motivated by a desire to get revenge on them for taking everything from him.
In Andor we see good writing and acting. And we see the way to get around the problematic bloodline stuff isn't to subvert it
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Empire is widely regarded as the best SW movie, so I find it interesting to meet someone who doesn't think so.
I didn't enjoy The Mandalorian past season 1, and Boba Fett was just terrible from start to finish. Solo was pretty bad too, the only interesting character being the one that died with no real pay off or meaning.
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Empire is widely regarded as the best SW movie, so I find it interesting to meet someone who doesn't think so.
I'd definitely rank New Hope #1. As for the other two, I was probably mixing up some of the scenes, seeing that Hoth and Yoda were in empire I'd say it's a stronger film. But I'd argue the good stuff was earlier in the film and the low points (Han frozen in carbonite, Luke losing his hand) were at the end of the film.
I didn't enjoy The Mandalorian past season 1, and Boba Fett was just terrible from start to finish. Solo was pretty bad too, the only interesting character being the one that died with no real pay off or meaning.
I'll agree that Mandalorian wasn't as good past season 1, but it was still decent. For the others I guess we just disagree.
Re: The Fraud is strong in this one... (Score:2)
Rey was the only thing the third trilogy had going for it, and she's as developed as Star Wars characters get.
I'd rather have more Rey than another lame origin story, big eyed stupid comedic relief alien, scary looking shallow bad guy alien, evil robots, etc etc. A normal-ish grounded person the rest of the silly characters can revolve around, like Luke in the original trilogy.
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"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice (or ten times), shame on me."
The first movie is an all time classic. The second and third were good. After that, it's been derivative, predictable, formulaic dreck from start to finish, with every new offering worse than what came before.
I'd suspect they set out to deliberately destroy the legacy with such garbage, but there's no evidence that anybody involved has the brains to come up with such a subtle plan.
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You nailed it, my friend. It has been a steady downward progression. I'm old. I remember seeing the very first movie in a great theatre in Toronto. Nobody had ever seen special effects like that before. It was a great, rollicking adventure with a plot as deep as a puddle, but that just didn't matter. The second and third movies finished the story off nicely. I wish they'd just let it end there and moved on to a whole different cast in a whole different time.
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Hmm, the first two are good, not perfect but definitely great fun movies. The third... The whole first act is garbage, and the rest is mediocre for the most part. The ending is not all that interesting. Predictable, and doesn't really do much to sell Vader's redemption.
Of the modern movies, Rogue One was pretty good. The related Andor TV show is good too, if a bit slow at first. The other movies are... Watchable, apart from Last Jedi which is the most interesting thing that Star Wars ever did. Of the TV sho
AKA the 10th installment of the Palpatine saga. (Score:2)
Come on, we all know this is the only way this will fly.
I gave up the francize (Score:3)
As a (formerly) huge Star Wars fan, I gave up the francize. Disney's sharts, erm, I meant productions!, are not even a parody (that, at least, would have been funny). They are akin to watching someone endlessly butcher the putrid corpse of a great person.
So I'll re-read some of the books, gladly remember the old movies and ignore whatever Disney vomits on unsuspecting audiences.
Re:I gave up the francize (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed. There are only episodes 4, 5, and 6. The rest are cheap fakes, including the bogus "edits" of 4/5/6.
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I was gonna say "If John Williams didn't write the score, it's not a real Star Wars movie"... but I guess he also did the music for the Jar Jar saga.
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Indeed. There are only episodes 4, 5, and 6. The rest are cheap fakes, including the bogus "edits" of 4/5/6.
Well then, congratulations. Here is an original 16mm version [archive.org] of episode 4 WITHOUT any additional editing in all its celluloid glory.
Needless to say, Han shot first.
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You can find much better fan restorations than that on any torrent search engine. It's been years since I looked around so there might be better now but Harmy's Despecialized Edition of all three original trilogy movies is pretty fantastic. This is a video about them https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] .
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I admit I kind of liked 1-3, probably because of that huge thirst for Star Wars (and because I was younger).
There is another... (Score:2)
De..spec..z...uhg
Re:I gave up the francize (Score:5, Funny)
Disney's sharts, erm, I meant productions!, are not even a parody (that, at least, would have been funny).
You just reminded me of the real disappointment of the Star Wars franchise, that Mel Brooks still hasn't made Spaceballs II: The Search for More Money.
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Ages ago I saw an article about Mel Brooks working on a Spaceballs sequel that was titled something to the effect of "Spaceballs 3: The Search for Spaceballs 2". Obviously it was never made which is a drag
Re: I gave up the francize (Score:2)
Of course they are (Score:2)
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What they apparently don't get is that this is not where the money is at. Lucas knew that. The money in movies like that is in the fanboys.
Who would buy a "special cut" of a 20 year old movie for a premium price? Who would buy a "limited edition" toy for hundreds of dollars? You think any parents would do that for their spoiled brats?
The old Star Wars was like a sack of flour. Even empty, it would still create large clouds of flour if kicked, and Lucas knew how to kick it. Add a few seconds to the movie, "c
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Imagine how much a cleaned up "Han shot first!" special edition would make.
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Every fanboy would lament and protest and moan and make YouTube videos about how it butchered the original vision.
Right after buying two sets, one to watch and one to keep as a collectible in mint condition.
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Lmao, indeed. I was never the fanboy type but I knew people exactly like that who obsessively bought every toy, dvd, etc, etc.
A buddy of mine is like that with Pink Floyd. He built a home nas and scours the net for obscure releases and concert footage to fill it with.
"Hey, I just rebuilt my home mesh Wi-Fi which increased my SMB4 transfer rates" he told me literally yesterday. The WiFi rates in his studio apartment. Because that way he can run backups of his Pink Floyd nas even faster.
He can afford it b
fan favorite jedi (Score:3)
All i got to say to that is lol
Always in motion, the future is (Score:3)
I'm glad to hear that this movie, which is about to start filming, has already been determined to be so popular with the public, that they will be lining up around the block to get into the theater.
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Maybe the Precogs told them so... oh, wait, different movie universe.
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And if you remember, even they were wrong. That's what the movie is about after all.
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Starwars movie(s) (Score:2)
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I think I remember like 3 movies back in the 1970s, or maybe 1980s.
Yawn (Score:2)
California's Film and TV Tax Credit Program. (Score:2)
"California's Film Commission announced in a news release Monday that Lucasfilm's upcoming feature film The Mandalorian & Grogu will be produced entirely in the state," reports the Press Democrat, "one of 15 movie productions coming to fruition thanks to California's Film and TV Tax Credit Program."
At this point, doesn't that just mean 7 people and an LED wall? Meanwhile the remaining 120 minutes of the file is composed on a GPU farm in "the cloud" with remote animators and maybe with an IP addressed r
Fingers crossed.. (Score:2)
Hoping we see a lot more force flying in space, that was the best!
Not my Star Wars (Score:3)
Luke was supposed to rebuild the Jedi order. Any movie that says otherwise is dead to me.
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Nope. Luke tried to murder an angsty teen student, thus turning that kid into Emo Vader. Then he went into hiding milking weird space-cows for blue fluids to survive, making no heroic attempts to fix the issue he caused as tyranny spread through the galaxy again. His story ends when he dies because he gets exhausted projecting a Force ghost.
This is what the new movies have given us. Luke Skywalker, the ephebocidal coward.
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The Nu Star Wars is a lie.
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Hey c'mon, are you saying Han going out trying to hug his genocidal teen who loved him but decided killing dad was the best way to gain more Force powers wasn't a great narrative choice?
Or the whole 'Palpatine is back', or Rei's journey from 'untested secret badass' to 'no training at all but now I've kicked a lot of ass with Force powers' wasn't compelling?
Or that starting Finn out as a great guy extracting himself from his Stormtrooper training only to be put in the background for being black in a movie m
F Star Wars! (Score:2)
Seriously, just F Star Wars. The best parts of it came from Marcia when she was married to George Lucas. After she left, it went to shit starting with Return. Then it got seriously bad. Or Bad-bad. Bad-bad binks? And then it was taken over by herpes-infected, sucking syncophants, sharing their disease as a point of status, all showing their Harkonen sores . . . whoops - skipped to Dune, there!
It was always terrible. And now it's goddamned Disney! Which is worse than terrible: it's popular, too! Which does n
Despite its greatness (Score:2)
At this point, who cares..... (Score:2)
On top, rather than instead of, this... (Score:2)
I'd think it pretty cool if they did this not as a substitute per-se of anything new-new, but as a massive supplement.
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Star Wars really hasn't strayed much from the original formula of Princess Leia being depicted as "strong woman". Second-wave feminism began in the 1960s, so the idea of a princess who was also a blaster-wielding badass wasn't exactly new back then.
The problem with the new Star Wars movies is simply that the writing isn't very good. But for all the complaining people do about that aspect, even the original 1977 movie is just a by-the-numbers Hero's Journey arc. But with the 1977 film, the special effects
Re:Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay (Score:5, Interesting)
The original trilogy has a by-the-numbers Hero's Journey arc. It's pretty much the posterboy for it. But it also created really good characters (even though Lucas got scared by his own courage and revamped Solo later). The character generation in the original trilogy is on par. It's a near-perfect example of how to design your characters and what traits to give them. They work. They are organic and believable, without losing any of their "heroism" quality.
The story isn't new or something to write home about, but the characters are really well designed.
Re:Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay (Score:5, Insightful)
Star Wars really hasn't strayed much from the original formula of Princess Leia being depicted as "strong woman".
Except that Leia and others needed training, years/decades, to become full on Jedi. Rey, it just like of "awakens" and she can now light saber with the best of them without a Ben, a Yoda, and time,
Second-wave feminism began in the 1960s, so the idea of a princess who was also a blaster-wielding badass wasn't exactly new back then.
Still, she presumably received a lot of training growing up in a rebel leadership household. Diplomatic, espionage, small arms. Rey skilled with a staff and blaster given where she grew up, sure. But her light saber skills, jumped the shark.
As to the LGBTQ+ thing, we're talking about Star Wars, not Trek. It's a safe bet ...
Not really, did you see some of the staff quotes about their mission at Disney to inject LGBTQ+ all they can. They view "outreach" to the "community" as part of their mission at Disney. It's not likely to be done in a casual, organic, manner. It'll be part of some crusade. You can't just have a gay couple and leave it at that, personal trivia.
Episode 4 had a strong chick (Score:3)
In the 70s "woke", "feminism", were still sane. Ripley in the first Alien movie.
But now it's kind of ridiculous. Rey becomes a full on highly skilled Jedi, how? All the previous men and women had to train for years, decades.
Re:Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay (Score:4, Insightful)
Star Trek was infinitely better then any of the Star Wars. And it was woke before woke was even a thing. The difference being it had actual, interesting story lines. Instead of trying to pander, it just was.
Re: Put a chick in it and make it lame and gay (Score:2)
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That's true. Most stuff made before the turn of the century was in fact better then nearly anything we get today. Now stay off my lawn!
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Iger has sold 94% of his stock. Trust me, Disney going broke is still in the cards.
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Iger has sold 94% of his stock. Trust me, Disney going broke is still in the cards.
Disney is investing big in parks and resorts, and the stock market likes it. Even if the films tank, the parks and resorts still does well -- Disney is doing fine.
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The parks and resorts rely heavily on long term movie success to establish a love for the characters and films to generate interest in attending the extremely expensive parks.
A generation that fails to launch that childhood attachment won't pay those prices to bring their kids to a park, but their kids toys, or make sure they grow up loving Disney stuff the way their grandparents did.
It's a multi generational virtuous cycle they've certainly damaged and possibly have broken.
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The parks and resorts rely heavily on long term movie success to establish a love for the characters and films to generate interest in attending the extremely expensive parks.
You seem to be laboring under the delusion that Disney doesn't have a huge back catalog of entertainment that has been transcending generations for quite awhile now.
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When is the last time you took your little girl to see Cinderella?
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When is the last time you took your little girl to see Cinderella?
Last weekend at her friend's movie night. Why do you ask?
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I asked him but thanks for joining. Now you're taking her to DW for a few thousand dollars as a follow up?
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The parks and resorts rely heavily on long term movie success to establish a love for the characters and films to generate interest in attending the extremely expensive parks.
A generation that fails to launch that childhood attachment won't pay those prices to bring their kids to a park, but their kids toys, or make sure they grow up loving Disney stuff the way their grandparents did.
It's a multi generational virtuous cycle they've certainly damaged and possibly have broken.
Don't forget that "everyone" figured Walt himself messed up by pouring his life's savings into his theme park, especially when there were four great alternatives within an hour's drive. Disneyland was built in the middle of nowhere.
Yet, here we are.
You're right about the possibility of them breaking it, but most people are pretty forgiving. Even Bud Light is making a comeback...
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People always think visionaries are fools. They're usually right. We only remember the winners.
Bud Light's parent company lost at least $6 billion the last I checked. I'm sure more by now. Target lost several billion for their rainbow clothing line. If I bothered to check I'm sure I can find a few more.
It'll take a long time to recovered from those losses, if ever. The other option was to not piss off their core customer base and not lose anything.
I think not pissing off your customers is better than
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For kicks, I used this Disney cost calculator, sent you and your daughter to DW for 2 days, 1 night at a hotel, chose mid level food and other common options and came out with a cost of 1300-1600 for you and her to fly there at $300 each.
https://magicguides.com/disney... [magicguides.com]
If it's you, her, your spouse and a second child then you're up to $3k for 2 days/1 night and that's only 2 days. To really see the park and get some time in at their other parks in the area you really need 4-5 days. So a 4 days trip for 4
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Agreed regarding culture wars.
Not sure I agree regarding visionaries - anyone can have a crazy dream, fewer can execute, and even fewer understand what _could_ work. We remember the winners because the winners can do all three....
As to your cost workup, it is interesting that Disney attracts so many in spite of being expensive. They must be doing something right, I suppose.
An anecdote - I've been on an actual safari, as well as on the safari ride at their Animal Kingdom park, I must express how well Disney
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Make it as man-hating as you like, but for fuck's sake please give it a credible and watchable plot and script! It is possible to write a sci fi story with a strong female lead that's keeping the audience at the edge of the seat. Alien is proof of that.
It's not the woman in the lead role that make it crap. It's the atrocious writing, the incredibly bland and unbelievable character design, the completely out of whack character motivations and the nonexistent reason for the hero group to even come together.
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You have no idea what you're talking about.
The all female cast Ghostbusters did *great*!
Er... uh.. nevermind.
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Meaning .. you get no Star Wars and no Star Trek. heh.
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Star Trek was an egalitarian utopia. Not woke. They are not the same things and to pretend they are is moronic. More specifically, ST:TOS was initially conceived(It grew beyond that obviously) as a counterpoint to Heinlein's Space Cadet, which was itself a statement that humanity would never fully unite under one organization except at the constant threat of total nuclear annihilation.
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They are not the same things and to pretend they are is moronic.
Nice, "Anyone who disagrees with me is a moron". I don't agree at all but I have no interest in talking to anyone like you about anything.
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TOS was not an egalitarian utopia. It went out of its way to show that, even among the Enterprise crew, there was still bigotry and inequality. Famously, one of the bridge crew took exception to Spock, especially after it was revealed that the Romulans appeared to be related to Vulkans. The role of women in society was repeatedly shown to be limited, such as them not being allowed to become captains in Starfleet. Roddenberry didn't always get his way with what was shown on screen.
At the time, even Earth was