Comic-Con 2024: New Doctor Who Series, 'Star Trek' Movie, Keanu Reeves, and a Red Hulk (polygon.com) 77
As Comic-Con hits San Diego, "part of the big news in 2024 is that the con won't have a corresponding virtual or online event this year," according to Polygon, "for the first time since 2019."
But there's still some big scifi media news, according to CNET's Comic-Con coverage: Disney revealed a new Doctor Who addition to the franchise that will jump back to the 1970s with the Sea Devils, an ancient group of beings who arise from the sea. Made in partnership with the BBC, the series... will air on Disney Plus, where fans can currently stream season 14 of Doctor Who starring Ncuti Gatwa.
And there's also an upcoming Doctor Who Christmas special.
Meanwhile, Saturday night, USA Today ran a special article with late-breaking announcements about Marvel's Cinematic Universe: Marvel has already won Comic-Con, with a raucous screening of "Deadpool & Wolverine" followed by a high-tech drone show, and the box office, with the new movie on track to have one of the best openings of all time... Robert Downey Jr. returns to the MCU as Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday. Kevin Feige says the Fantastic Four will be in the next two Avengers movies... And here comes the Fantastic Four [movie] a year from now. It starts filming Tuesday in the UK...
The article says Marvel's Fantastic Four presentation included "a Fantasti-Car that hovers across the stage — and that castmembers also appeared from the upcoming Thunderbolts* movie.
More geeky news:
But there's still some big scifi media news, according to CNET's Comic-Con coverage: Disney revealed a new Doctor Who addition to the franchise that will jump back to the 1970s with the Sea Devils, an ancient group of beings who arise from the sea. Made in partnership with the BBC, the series... will air on Disney Plus, where fans can currently stream season 14 of Doctor Who starring Ncuti Gatwa.
And there's also an upcoming Doctor Who Christmas special.
Meanwhile, Saturday night, USA Today ran a special article with late-breaking announcements about Marvel's Cinematic Universe: Marvel has already won Comic-Con, with a raucous screening of "Deadpool & Wolverine" followed by a high-tech drone show, and the box office, with the new movie on track to have one of the best openings of all time... Robert Downey Jr. returns to the MCU as Doctor Doom in Avengers: Doomsday. Kevin Feige says the Fantastic Four will be in the next two Avengers movies... And here comes the Fantastic Four [movie] a year from now. It starts filming Tuesday in the UK...
The article says Marvel's Fantastic Four presentation included "a Fantasti-Car that hovers across the stage — and that castmembers also appeared from the upcoming Thunderbolts* movie.
More geeky news:
- Amazon Prime showed a new four-minute trailer with clips from season two of its J.R.R. Tolkein prequel, "The Rings of Power". (And there was also a three-minute blooper reel for Season 4 of Prime's superhero-themed series, "The Boys".)
- Paramount+ showed a trailer for the Star Trek universe's first streaming movie, Section 31. There was also a trailer for season 5 of the animated comedy Star Trek: Lower Decks — plus a particularly strange clip from the fourth season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.
- Keanu Reeves accepted the Inkpot award for his contribution to the world of film and comics — partly because since 2021 Reeves has been co-authoring a Kickstarter-funded comic book called BRZRKR. (Netflix plans to adapt it into a movie.)
- Next February will see the release of Captain America: Brave New World, in which the Incredible Hulk may get some competition from Harrison Ford, who's been cast as the Red Hulk.
But things got a little too real Friday when a fire at a nearby steakhouse forced the evacuation of the immersive "Penguin Lounge" — which was promoting Max's new prequel series to 2022's movie The Batman.
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Kirk kissing Uhura was so scandalous that some tv stations wouldn't even show the episode. Then we have the androgyny episode with Riker and the aliens with only a single sex. Garak certainly had a thing for Doctor Bashir, the actor says so. https://thatshelf.com/what-we-... [thatshelf.com]
We have multiple episodes with Worf dating Troy and then Jadzia and if you can't see the allegory here then you haven't been paying attention.
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They tried to sneak in as much of Jadzia being bisexual and her experience mirroring trans people as they could too. She had Trek's first lesbian kiss on screen, although like with the Kirk one there was a sci-fi reason why it wasn't really her doing it.
Garak and his twink Bashir is one of the best on-screen relationships in Trek. It's just a shame they didn't make more of it in the later seasons, when Bashir became O'Brien's boyfriend. That could have been an interesting love triangle. Could have been play
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"There's a massive difference between TOS "woke" and Discovery "woke'."
Yes, it's called fifty years.
At least join us in the present, if you can't manage to look to the future.
Not Issues, Attitude (Score:4, Insightful)
"There's a massive difference between TOS "woke" and Discovery "woke'." Yes, it's called fifty years.
No, it's not that the issues are different it is the way the show approaches them. Good science fiction uses new and alien situations to let us explore how we think about issues in our society in a way that does not engage our prejudices and lets us really think about how what's right. Put that in an entertaining and engaging story with established characters acting in line with their personalities and you have an enagaging, entertaining story that makes you think That is what Star Trek used to do.
Today's pale immitation of that approaches modern social issues with all the subtly of a 2x4 to the head. There is no degree of removal to alien situations to let you think for yourself, today's issues are presented in today's context and if you disagree with the writer then you are just wrong/bad. Stories are written just to showcase some social issue with no thought to being entertaining or interesting and established characters act in any way needed to make the often stupid storyline work regardless of their established personalities. It's lazy, bad writing resulting in an unentertaining show that disrespects both the established universe and the audience. Worse, it reinforces the prejudices of those very audience members you were trying to reach.
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I believe in
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That's exactly what people thought fifty years ago, except they didn't use the word "woke" or the initialism "DEI". Instead they were talking about hippies and commies.
You think you're new, cool, and current. You're old, tired, and boring.
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Re: Not Issues, Attitude (Score:2)
The economic side of things is related. You can't just pretend that away. Also, a lot of people were called communists that weren't, so that's another reason it's apt. Get some perspective.
Re:Not Issues, Attitude (Score:5, Interesting)
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I wish I could mod you +6 Insightful.
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For all the complaints about Star Trek and being "woke" now and somehow missing all the previous symbolism in their money free socialist utopia. What did you think the episode about the half black and half white aliens was really about?
Now for Doctor Who. I love the character of the new doctor. He actually seems to enjoy himself compared to the terrible acting of Jodie Whitaker. However the episodes themselves were mostly bad. Space babies with CGI mouths?
Woke didn't destroy Star Trek and Doctor Who -- *REALLY BAD WRITING* did.
Doctor Who: Retconning the origin of the Doctor just effed it all up, but the god damn sonic screwdriver just FUCKED THE WHOLE year 2005+ episodes. Every fucking episode the fucking screwdriver just saves that day. PISS POOR WRITING.
Star Trek Discovery -- there was not ONE good thing about that series. Nothing. Zilch. Season 4 finale is a great example. They just stood in the shuttle bay and in a matter of hours figured out way to communicate with a species so advanced that they didn't even realize humanoids had sentience. Give me a fucking break.
As for the new Section 31 movie. I watched the trailer, and if it didn't have the name Star Trek: Section 31 I would have had no clue what I was watching. That doesn't mean that it is going to be bad, but don't fucking call it Star Trek if you are going to make something that isn't Star Trek...
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I guess the point that all intelligent life has certain common denominators in maths and physics passed you by.
TNG did the same thing more than once.
Discovery had its ups and downs, but there were some really great episodes too. The first season in particular. Saru is probably the best "alien" alien in the franchise.
The problem with Doctor who is we stopped reading (Score:2, Flamebait)
The same is true for Star Trek to a lesser extent. But Star Trek is also trying to hard too appeal to a younger demographic. So the writing is really awkward because it's constantly dropping in little bits and pieces of references to pop culture. Political and social commentary is fine be
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A lot of Who stuff is just people forgetting the bad bits... And there were some really terrible episodes. But there were some good ones too.
The thing about Who is that it's always been extremely light sci-fi, much more so than even Star Trek. Rarely do they bother to give any explanation for anything, other than some technobabble that has no basis in reality. Trek at least had Mike Okuda to give it a tiny bit of credibility, even if things like subspace are entirely fictional with no basis in reality.
Who i
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The reason Doctor who was so amazing back when we were kids is that just about every episode was written by a top notch science fiction book author.
It also helped that there were 4 TV channels, which were (at that age): OK sometimes, more boring with the odd thing, ok sometimes and boring + weird.
If there was a janky episode of Dr Who, or Star Trek (fully functional woo hoo!) etc etc, well you came back to watch next week at 6pm because, well what else were you going to watch? It's not like (a) there was co
The old farts are us /.ers (Score:2)
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For all the complaints about Star Trek and being "woke" now and somehow missing all the previous symbolism in their money free socialist utopia. What did you think the episode about the half black and half white aliens was really about?
Now for Doctor Who. I love the character of the new doctor. He actually seems to enjoy himself compared to the terrible acting of Jodie Whitaker. However the episodes themselves were mostly bad. Space babies with CGI mouths?
Woke didn't destroy Star Trek and Doctor Who -- *REALLY BAD WRITING* did.
That should be a tagline - it's so on point.
People all spun up about "Woke" - like what the actual hot stinking taint of Beelzabub does that even mean, it's so overused - seem to ignore the most important part of storytelling:
A good story, well presented, without glaring mistakes and plot holes, and no lectures. Entertainment, not some weird political indoctrination.
I'd mention that it is quite possible to tell a good story, combined with liberal leanings - but not to the far left, they are as insane
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What did you think the episode about the half black and half white aliens was really about?
It appeared to be about how we shouldn't be obsessed with meaningless stuff like race.
So, yes, the opposite of "woke" ...
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The definition of woke depends on who you ask. The democrats say "we have a problem, we need to make this country less racist." The republicans say "paying attention to that problem is racist, if we ignore it hard enough it will surely go away."
The problem is that the so called "woke" crowd is as obsessed with race as the KKK.
Race, the idea that skin color is a determinant of the person, is the ultimate social construct. It's being so obsessed with something that simply does not exist.
Come back when a person of some color can't mate with a person of a different color, and I'll say - "there's race!" Because if skin color makes for az race, then black horses and white horses are different races.
Now make no mistake - there are hella lot of racists in the world. And the far left is some of the worst - they not only think that some "races are good, other "races" are evil, but they also assign cultural differences to "race" in their bellwether cultural appropriation construct.
Do you believe in race? If so, that makes you a racist. There is no possible deviation from that, because you're busy judging things by skin color. Be better.
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You just said a lot of very wrong stuff. But I'm not really interested in this debate, so, I'll let it be.
I know, I piss a lot of people off, because I am wrong.
Ever been told that you are the enemy because you are "white" and male? I have, usually after I tell them my thoughts on homo sapiens sapiens and how people use a social construct in order to promote or discriminate.
Meanwhile, DDG "White males are the enemy". Let's see - "white" yup, skin tone. Males -deciding that a "white person with a penis has a certain quality. Enemy - the person that is assigned thje property of being antagonistic toward
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Here's what you're missing. You, as a white male, can pretend you've transcended or whatever. What you're missing is that some people CAN'T pretend that. Not because of what they believe, but because of what they experience. If they try to pretend race doesn't exist, reality will rudely smack them in the face and disabuse them of that notion real quick. That won't happen for you (or I), possibly, because as white males, we simply don't operate under the same set of pressures. The difference is, I acknowledge the problem, while you deny it.
What do you mean I don't acknowledge the problem Any and all racism is a huge problem, it is the sort of problem that has led countries to civil wars, and genocide - in the millions. And the cure for racism is now held as a truth by the far left to be more racism - You're just replacing one cruelty with a different version of the same cruelty.
I'm a problem because as Martin Luther King said " I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the
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The problem is that the so called "woke" crowd is as obsessed with race as the KKK.
Personally I'm not really happy with pretending that all racism, sexism and a few others and all the ongiong effects of have completely ended.
Now make no mistake - there are hella lot of racists in the world.
This makes you a wokist.
Race, the idea that skin color is a determinant of the person
Does it help if I tell you that you don't even know what race is?
Do you believe in race? If so, that makes you a racist. There is no
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The problem is that the so called "woke" crowd is as obsessed with race as the KKK.
Personally I'm not really happy with pretending that all racism, sexism and a few others and all the ongiong effects of have completely ended.
Umm - where did you think I ever said that all racism and the other things you felt compelled to tack on have completely ended. Especially when I posted that there are a lot of racists in the world, right after the comment you made.
Then you wrote that I don't know what race is. SRSLY?
Does it help if I tell you that you don't even know what race is?
Then set the world straight! Here's my definition of race, I accept it because it is biologically true. Take it up with the others if it makes you uncomfortable: "Modern scholarship views racial categories as socially con
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Umm - where did you think I ever said that all racism and the other things you felt compelled to tack on have completely ended.
Because that's ultimately what being "woke" is about: recognizing those systemic problems. And you are proudly anti-woke.
Then set the world straight!
Well I get you're angry, certainly. But I'm having trouble following your point because you are all over the map.
I accept it because it is biologically true
Oh this should be good. Angry anti-wokist has opinions on biology. Go on then d
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These things evolve over time. Trek was made against a background of the civil rights movement, and legal discrimination. The very blunt message in Let That Be Your Last Battlefield was needed at a time when many people did not consider Black people to be the equals of white people, and/or that there should not be any mixing of races.
You misunderstand the sentiment you attribute to "woke". People are not saying that skin colour matters, they are saying that cultural and economic heritage matters. For exampl
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ST:TOS was not woke, and I don't know WTF people suddenly started saying that TOS, a 60yo show, is 2024 woke. TOS was a display of equality and opportunity, but opportuniy arose only if you proved yourself to be capable. Sulu, Uhura, Dr. MBenga, the black Commodore, the black Admiral, Spock, Dr. Daystom,et. al were there because the were the cream of the crop, not because they weren't born with a silver-spoon in their mouth.
There was no equity in TOS, nor was there any of the woke mind virus of 2024, and
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Funny though how the reactionary anger at ToS back in the day sounded very much like the reactionary anger at Discovery today.
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You seem to think "woke" has a definition and isn't just another red-baiting conjob to sucker the more gullible voters.
Sure, they can find some toxic people to associate and exaggerate with this new enemy from within. I've run into some of these toxic "liberal" people and never felt more like smashing their face in and I've also run into evangelical freaks with guns (which maybe is why i felt a bit less like smashing in their faces...)
The Red Hulk... (Score:3)
The Red Hulk? I guess he's not going green like the Incredible Hulk?
JoshK.
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The Red Hulk? I guess he's not going green like the Incredible Hulk?
Maybe they'll be two of them so people can play that Statues [wikipedia.org] game, but with Hulks ... :-)
Green Hulk: [Everyone Go!]
Red Hulk: [Everyone Stop!]
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An interesting idea a "hulking" game perhaps. JoshK.
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Re: The Red Hulk... (Score:4, Insightful)
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Hmmm, 1962? and "red" not a good color selection...or maybe the "Red Hulk" was to be the mutated son of the "Red Skull" ?? :-) JoshK.
Re:Wokism galore. AVOID (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, these days [imgur.com].
Re:Fuck Off Forever please! (Score:1)
Excellent, dont let the door hit your arse on the way out.
I gotta admit (Score:3)
I'm a huge Michelle Yeoh fan, plus I really liked her character in Discovery. I will subscribe to Paramount+ the moment that movie's available.
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She's a terrible actress but there was always something about her I can't explain that makes me want to hit that. I wouldn't subscribe to Paramount or whatever for her but she always made me go mmmmmm.
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So to summarize (Score:4, Insightful)
More milking of existing franchise, reboots, prequels, sequels, shitquels and endless stream of bland, uninspired, CGI-laden action movies with zero creativity.
I can't wait...
Re:So to summarize (Score:4, Interesting)
Strange New Worlds is very good. Lower Decks is polarising, but I think it's improved a lot in later seasons. The Section 31 movie could be great, could be terrible. Michelle Yeo is always good though.
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What you just said is that out of three series, only one is good, and a particular actress can never be bad - which is totally orthogonal.
I'm not excited.
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Prodigy is fantastic. Like top tier, some of the best Trek ever.
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What you just said is that out of three series, only one is good, and a particular actress can never be bad - which is totally orthogonal.
I'm not excited.
No.
What they just said is that ST:SNW is very good. That's one of one so far.
Then they said that ST:LD is polarizing and it's improved over time. You elected that to mean it's bad, which is deliberately incorrect. As it happens, Lower Decks kind of sucks for about four episodes of the first season while they tried to figure out what the show was. After the Rick & Morty burp/fart obnoxiousness tailed off, the show got good, and has only got better over time. That's two of two so far.
There is no
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Since the Section 31 movie started as a series, then a one-off, and has now morphed into a movie, your optimism is not reasonable. After all, these are the same people who brought you Picard season 1 and 2, as well as Discovery which has been poor
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But you've made your decisions without seeing the footage, and concluded in advance that the Section 31 movie won't be good - even though it contains an actress who has typically been very good AND has been good IN THIS ROLE. I'm sorry, but you're not reasonable. Since the Section 31 movie started as a series, then a one-off, and has now morphed into a movie, your optimism is not reasonable. After all, these are the same people who brought you Picard season 1 and 2, as well as Discovery which has been poor to mixed bag at best.
For the record, I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic with regards to that movie. I'm neutral. Which I think is reasonable.
Watch anime (Score:2)
If you just can't stand an anime watch the animated DC stuff. With the exception o
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The problem is that fan service kinda works. The Mandalorian is mediocre to poor, but fan service kept enough people viewing it. After sullying the brand with complete crap like Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and Obi-Wan, actually good shows like Andor and Acolyte get low ratings.
Then you have the complete disaster that was Star Trek Picard.
Fan service can be done well, it's not impossible. Star Trek Prodigy is a great example. Legacy characters are not just cameos or "would you like to know what X did after Y?", they
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I had some decent moments, but the main problem was it was 90% fan service and the remaining 10% was often muddled and aimless. Like in the first season, Seven has no meaningful role in the main plot, she's just along for the ride to keep the fans happy. Season 2 was the worst, with Rios going from detained in an ICE prison camp, in what might have been an effort to contrast 24th and 21st century values, to expressing his love for the time period and deciding to stay with a woman he only just met in the ver
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The problem is that fan service kinda works. The Mandalorian is mediocre to poor, but fan service kept enough people viewing it. After sullying the brand with complete crap like Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and Obi-Wan, actually good shows like Andor and Acolyte get low ratings.
I enjoyed the Mandalorian but found Andor so unengaging that I bailed a few episodes in.
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It was a bit of a slow start for Andor, but stick with it. The middle and end are fantastic.
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Son and I tried watching Picard and didn't get past the second episode. I soured on the whole thing for a while, then son says "Check out Andor". It was the first series that I had seen lately that made me sorry that the season was over--I wanted "just one more episode". (Shogun is another one that made me feel that way) Mandalorian was mediocre, as you said, but was a comfortable space/horse opera with good production values. How they missed with Boba Fett is astonishing.
Tom Baker Dr. Who (Score:2)
I'd rather re-watch the Tom Baker seasons than watch anything new Disney churns out.
I tied an onion on my belt (Score:3)
I miss the fan-run cons of the olden days, where it was about a bunch of people excited to meet a bunch of others like themselves and fawn over the actors who played roles on their favorite shows.
I feel zero FOMO not going to today's commercial cons.
which wikipedia did you use? (Score:2)
According to Wikipedia: The first incarnation of Red Hulk (also known as Rulk)[1] first appeared in the Hulk series that debuted in 2008.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hulk
The first Red Hulk appeared in Hulk #1 in 2008, though his debut was actually in the Silver Age of Comics.
https://www.cbr.com/red-hulk-character-guide-marvel/
You might be right, but I haven't been able to find anything else on "the Silver Age of Comics"
Can't wait... (Score:2)
....for the NEW Keanu Reeves.
I hope the new one gets a hairdresser though.
Star Trek: Dyson Sphere. It's time. (Score:2)
Seriously? Why does Paramount continue to forget about a potential world with endless possibilities?
Brought to you by... (Score:2, Troll)
...the same POS wokester that brought you a woman doctor (worst ratings ever), the trans Timelord that's akshually better than all other Timelords (since it merges BOTH male and female* genders!) and a flaming gay doctor that believes there should be an episode where the Doctor kills a baddie by twerking it to death.
9th Doctor: (Eccleston): 7.9 million viewers average
10th Doctor: (Tennant): 7.7 million
11th Doctor: (Smith) 7.5 million
12th Doctor: (Capaldi): 6 million
13th Doctor: (Whittaker): 5.2 million http
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Point of Clarification: honestly, I blame Whittaker's numbers not on HER (being female), but the writing and stories being absolute shit those years.
She tried like hell to deliver an interesting take on the Dr but by god the production and (mostly) writing badly let her down. I put this to the woke production team, not her.
That might not have been clear.
Star Trek Continues (Score:2)
If you're a fan of TOS, and you haven't already discovered Star Trek Continues, you owe it to yourself to watch it. It's a continuation of the original Star Trek, with the same characters (different actors, obviously). The acting is on-par with the original series, and the filming style is exactly the same. James Doohan's son plays Scotty. The late Grant Imahara (of Mythbusters fame) plays Sulu. A few actors from TNG make appearances (as different characters). It's really well done. I especially liked