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Anime Piracy The Courts

Two Major Anime Leakers To Be Exposed Following First-Time US Court Order 31

For the first time, a U.S. court has ordered the exposure of identities behind anime leaker accounts on X following complaints from producers of Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer. The order was revealed by Japanese anti-piracy organization CODA (Content Overseas Distribution Association). CBR reports: The order to disclose their identities was issued on Aug. 20 and served on Aug. 30, meaning that these Jujutsu Kaisen and Demon Slayer leakers will be forced to out themselves, lest they face further legal troubles. Several CODA member companies, which include Kodansha (Attack on Titan), Toei Animation (One Piece) and more collected evidence on these accounts; CODA's report states that it has also received other inquiries about other anime and is preparing for further action. "We will continue to work with the rights holders of the victims to take strict action based on the information of the account owners that comes to light, and will demand severe punishment for these leak accounts," it concludes.
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Two Major Anime Leakers To Be Exposed Following First-Time US Court Order

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  • I mean, there's sailing the seven seas for out of print content you can't obtain any other way... and then there's pre-releasing content MONTHS in advance of the official launch. I can see why a rights holder would take serious issue with the latter. Probably the person, or more likely persons, behind the account aren't going to voluntarily out themselves so they can have the pants sued off them. Maybe they'll get lucky and X will put up a fight for some reason (or arbitrarily).
    • Aren't these leakers just taking advantage of licensing gaps? Like they're dumping content that hasn't yet been licensed for distribution in foreign markets? Or are they leaking stuff that hasn't even aired in Japan?

      • Aren't these leakers just taking advantage of licensing gaps? Like they're dumping content that hasn't yet been licensed for distribution in foreign markets? Or are they leaking stuff that hasn't even aired in Japan?

        They have no right to the anime so they can't do anything with it that they please. That's where the story ends.

        • That's . . . not always true.

          There were (and probably still are) fansub groups that dumped loads of unlicensed anime on US/UK/EU markets with English subtitles before the publishers had secured any distribution rights outside of Japan. Since there were no licensed distributors, nobody could claim damages for the unauthorized dumps. And they released full episodes for years with impunity in what was often called a "legal grey area".

          Once someone picked up a US distribution license, they would pull their fan

          • by Hodr ( 219920 ) on Friday September 06, 2024 @06:06PM (#64769408) Homepage

            That's a very generous interpretation of the old wild west of anime fansubs. The original rights holders absolutely could (and some did) sue for damages when they had a harder time securing a distributor or had to settle for a lesser deal when those distributors could argue that the property has less value if they aren't the sole means of distribution (legal or otherwise).

            I believe most of the time they didn't bother because the cost of investigation and litigation would likely exceed the cost recovered and many of these companies also rightly considered the English speaking markets to be "emerging" and didn't want to discourage activity that might ultimately open up new markets for paying customers.

            But once Anime was fairly well entrenched in the US and those distribution deals because worth considerably more money they pursued legal action more often.

            None of that legitimized the "grey market" activity and it certainly doesn't mean someone can get away with it today just because they turned a blind eye before.

          • still copyright violation. And yes the Japanese copyright holders could claim damages. It was not grey at all.
      • by Rinnon ( 1474161 )
        Crunchyroll has long be simucasting anime with English subtitles at the same time as the Japanese release airs, the better to compete with fansubs that can release within less than 24 hours. Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen are both simucast on Crunchyroll (I watched them both), so this isn't like the old days when an anime would air in Japan and there was no legit English option for months... you could watch the legit version RIGHT away. In fact, some shows require a subscription if you want to watch the si
        • They are generally based on light novels or manga, so it's not as if you don't know what the heck is going to happen if you want. It's rare for an anime to diverge that much from the source material. Fullmetal alchemist did it but I can't think of the last time a show did.

          Then again I skip all the Isekai slop that's out there and some of that might not have any source material. But I'm trying to imagine someone who would actually care if something like shield hero or God one of those random Isekais whos
          • by Rinnon ( 1474161 )
            Yes, you are correct about most of it being based on light novels or manga and it does apply to Isekai slop as well (I love a good trashy Isekai, they're my soap operas). The inverse though is, if you read a book you liked, would you not be excited to see the film production? I know some people would be, so I don't think it's always about knowing what's going to happen... and from the rights holders' perspective it's fair to make the argument that having your content leaked on the internet in advance of the
          • The editors once again did an awful job with TFS. TFA shows were not talking about leaks as in spoilers, but leaks as in partial or even full episodes being released months before official first release.

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        Aren't these leakers just taking advantage of licensing gaps? Like they're dumping content that hasn't yet been licensed for distribution in foreign markets?

        Doesn't matter. As a producer, I own the content and the rights to distribute it. Covered by numerous international treaties. The mob ... excuse me, regional distributors, might control access to local markets. But until I negotiate with them, no gaps exist.

        As consumers, you and I are effectively owned* by distributors. No one is allowed to sell us their product unless they have negotiated a cut of the revenue stream.

        *And you thought Lincoln freed the slaves?

    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      The out-of-print content should be handled with the administration of a firm finger-wagging by the judge. As there is no longer any distribution and therefore no revenue to be lost, damages should be based on these numbers. In other words: zero.

  • Seems a bit suspect that there's no link or even a case# mentioned.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    If it is 2024, why the fuck are we still divvying up regional bullshit and not releasing it subtitled, en masse?
    They've had plenty of time to fix up, but didn't, so they can reap what they sow.
    • ... divvying up regional bullshit ...

      So the reseller is responsible for obeying local laws and paying all costs in that jurisdiction: The downside is, they can charge whatever they like. (Copyright piracy means the publisher makes 'less' sales and thus, must protect its resellers.)

    • It's 2024, why the fuck are there still people like you?

      Crunchyroll and others have been simulcasting lots of subbed anime, including everything remotely popular, for years now.

      You've had years to fix up your ignorance.

  • The article and the summary cannot be accurate. A judge can't order someone to incriminate themselves. I hope. Then again this is a new era for US law. Maybe the Bill of Rights doesn't matter.

    It sure would be nice to have a link to the judge's order. It seems like journalists should cite that as a source, but they rarely do.

    • IANAL but I don't think that would count as self-incrimination. They're not being ordered to admit they did it, just that they control a particular account, just as someone who matches a description in the area of a crime might be detained and ordered to produce identification but cannot be forced to admit they committed the crime.

      • This is more equivalent to ordering anyone who was in the area at the time of the crime to come forward. You don't have to tell the police you were there, or to answer any questions.

    • We have established in the USA quite recently that anyone in a position of law or government has the right to ignore whichever laws they don't like.
  • Not that anyone cares, but I could not watch Attack on Titan. I watchted the first episode and called it quits. There were so many, "Why did they do that?" moments that the sheer nonsense got to me.

    Unpopular opinion, don't care.

    • Anime is meant to be consumed by underdeveloped man-children. You must not be one of those.
      • Anime is meant to be consumed by underdeveloped man-children. You must not be one of those.

        Oddly enough, I do watch anime. But only certain ones. I certainly cannot rattle off names of an anime and all the characters therein. If I'm lucky I can name a character from something I watched.

        It's something different to watch considering how bad movies are. Some are completely stupid and I know that going in. Others are decently crafted and fun to watch.

  • ... then X doesn't have any identifying information about them to release.

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