
DC's 'Brighter' Superman Movie Smashes Box Office Expectations (yahoo.com) 109
James Gunn's Superman "appears to be succeeding in rebooting DC Studios and its most iconic comic book franchise," writes The Hollywood Reporter, noting the film is "headed for a possible record domestic box office debut of $115 million to $120 million."
Gunn is in a unique position, being both the film's writer-director and the co-head of the Warner Bros.-owned DC, which he co-runs with Peter Safran. Overseas, Superman is launching to $100 million-plus from 78 markets after earning $40 million midweek from its first raft of international markets for an early global total of $96.5 million through Friday. Superman will be the first superhero film to cross $100 million in its North American bow since Marvel Studios and Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool & Wolverine launched to $211 million in summer 2024 ("superhero fatigue" has become part of the Hollywood lexicon). And it's the first DC title to cross $100 million in eight long years since Wonder Woman debuted to $103.3 million in 2017.
And if the $225 million tentpole comes in north of $116.6 million, it will beat Zack Snyder's 2013 film Man of Steel ($116.7 million) to rank as the biggest domestic launch ever for a solo Superman pic, not adjusted for inflation. Snyder's mash-up Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice scored the biggest DC opening of all time when earning $166.6 million over Easter weekend in 2016... Gunn's movie is only the third Hollywood title of 2025 to launch north of $100 million after fellow Warners tentpole A Minecraft Movie, which opened to $162.8 million, and Disney's live-action Lilo & Stitch, which sewed up $146 million in its debut. Crossing the century mark is no small feat for any movie in the post-pandemic era, and particularly for the troubled superhero genre.
The pic should enjoy a long run thanks to strong word-of-mouth. Critics and audiences alike are embracing the film. The pic earned an A- CinemaScore from moviegoers, the same grade given to Man of Steel and ahead of Superman Returns' B+. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is a stellar 94 percent, while the critics' score is a pleasing 82 percent...
Other upcoming DC Studios projects include HBO's Green Lantern series, Lanterns, and a Supergirl movie due out in 2026.
Superman's weekend debut at nearly $130 million domestically smashes early estimates of around $90 million (according to a senior media analyst at Comscore).
And the film also got a positive reaction from the author of the cultural history Superman: The Unauthorized Biography (writing for NPR): Recent attempts to tell live-action Superman stories have shied away from his bright, hopeful, altruistic nature in favor of making him more cool and relatable (read: dark and brooding). That's not who he is; it never has been. Superman is an ideal. He represents the best we can aspire to be. He's not the hero you relate to, à la Peter Parker/Spider-Man's ongoing struggle to pay his rent and buy Aunt May her damn medicine. He's the hero who inspires you, who shows you the way...
It doesn't have to be about slogging through trauma and shame and shadow-selves and endlessly tedious redemption arcs. Sometimes, it's simpler, cleaner, brighter. And also? Not for nothing? More fun.
And if the $225 million tentpole comes in north of $116.6 million, it will beat Zack Snyder's 2013 film Man of Steel ($116.7 million) to rank as the biggest domestic launch ever for a solo Superman pic, not adjusted for inflation. Snyder's mash-up Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice scored the biggest DC opening of all time when earning $166.6 million over Easter weekend in 2016... Gunn's movie is only the third Hollywood title of 2025 to launch north of $100 million after fellow Warners tentpole A Minecraft Movie, which opened to $162.8 million, and Disney's live-action Lilo & Stitch, which sewed up $146 million in its debut. Crossing the century mark is no small feat for any movie in the post-pandemic era, and particularly for the troubled superhero genre.
The pic should enjoy a long run thanks to strong word-of-mouth. Critics and audiences alike are embracing the film. The pic earned an A- CinemaScore from moviegoers, the same grade given to Man of Steel and ahead of Superman Returns' B+. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is a stellar 94 percent, while the critics' score is a pleasing 82 percent...
Other upcoming DC Studios projects include HBO's Green Lantern series, Lanterns, and a Supergirl movie due out in 2026.
Superman's weekend debut at nearly $130 million domestically smashes early estimates of around $90 million (according to a senior media analyst at Comscore).
And the film also got a positive reaction from the author of the cultural history Superman: The Unauthorized Biography (writing for NPR): Recent attempts to tell live-action Superman stories have shied away from his bright, hopeful, altruistic nature in favor of making him more cool and relatable (read: dark and brooding). That's not who he is; it never has been. Superman is an ideal. He represents the best we can aspire to be. He's not the hero you relate to, à la Peter Parker/Spider-Man's ongoing struggle to pay his rent and buy Aunt May her damn medicine. He's the hero who inspires you, who shows you the way...
It doesn't have to be about slogging through trauma and shame and shadow-selves and endlessly tedious redemption arcs. Sometimes, it's simpler, cleaner, brighter. And also? Not for nothing? More fun.
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hmmm. maybe too close to home.
OK OK but like a Brightburn sorta version of superman would be nice instead of all this fluff.
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How sad we do not have an actual superhero to do this and more.
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Yes, very very credible.
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Wonder Woman wasn't a bad entry into the positive DC superhero(ine) category. (Well, at least the first 4/5ths of the first movie.) But I agree Snyder's Batman-fan viewpoint on everything DC related severely screwed over Superman.
(Unpopular view: this isn't bad per-se, it's great to have different visions for how a character should be, but it doesn't mean it always works. Back to more popular view: Superman is hated by many fans of comics for being an OP goodie-two-shoes, and that's fine, but that doesn't m
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Inflation and they're audiences it didn't beatZack Snyder's Man of Steel?
It did well domestic business, but stunk it up in China, and the rest of Asia doesn't look too good either. The only foreign market that's really putting in good numbers is Latin America. Since the domestic market is doing better than expected, it'll make money. But with the way Asia is playing out, it won't make the kind of money that Warner Brothers was hoping for.
Hollywood has been relying on Asia for profitability on multi-million dollar CGI epics for a couple of decades now. They may have to adjust the
How many times? (Score:3, Funny)
How many times are they going to re-tell the same Batman and Superman stories?
It happened THIS way.
No, it happened THAT way.
No, it happened THIS OTHER way.
Make up your fucking minds!
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No need to 're-invent' a Superman origin story for modern audiences.
The daily Superman comic strip was in publication from 1939 to 1966. Just pick your favourite arc(s) from the back catalogue and hire some decent writers to flesh out a 90 minute script. Bonus points, set it in the timeframe the original comics were in, a noir period drama.
c.f. Batman for me was always the hammy 60s TV show - setting him in contemporary times never cut it for me, an Austin Powers style remake is in order.
Pick some of the trippier issues! (Score:2)
I can't help but think about picking some of the trippier comics, where you would be convinced that the writers and illustrators were on the good drugs.
Things like Superman having the power to create miniature duplicates, breath hallucigens, that sort of thing.
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Although such a big box office implies a lot of other viewers too.
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Movie studios gamble millions of dollars on a movie. Those are businessmen who want to maximize their possibility of success. So: Bet on some new thing nobody has heard of, OR bet on something everyone knows, has a built-in audience that will take the time to see it, and has shown success in the past? Which would you put your money on?
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Movie studios gamble millions of dollars on a movie. Those are businessmen who want to maximize their possibility of success. So: Bet on some new thing nobody has heard of, OR bet on something everyone knows, has a built-in audience that will take the time to see it, and has shown success in the past? Which would you put your money on?
I'd forget about the movies and invest my billion dollars in the stock market and watch it grow with much less risk and much less effort.
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Ha, ha, yeah there's not much risk in the stock market, everyone knows that!
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I did not say there is NOT MUCH RISK. I said there is less risk. World of difference.
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I'd forget about the movies and invest my billion dollars in the stock market and watch it grow with much less risk and much less effort.
Warner Brothers Discovery and the Safran company, who are behind this movie, are publicly traded companies. Those profits from the stock market are predicated on actual investment in actual products somewhere along the line.
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But why not tell a NEW story?
Go ahead, make a Superman movie. But why re-tell the same story over and over? How many "origin stories" does one guy need? How about a new plot, with new villains and a new story? Add depth to the existing material rather than simply re-hashing it?
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At least once more, just to annoy you.
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Sadly.
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I can't believe it! This is completely UNPOSSIBLE. We were told by Fox News, their talking heads, and the rest of the right-wing echo cham
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Make up your fucking minds!
Why does anyone need to make up their mind? This isn't a history lesson. This is fantasy. Fantasy of people with different opinions on how it played out.
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This is why copyright should be 14 years. Then the studios would have to do something that is actually original. Everything is a low-effort, safe, lowest-common-denominator rehash.
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Personally, I suspect it went a lot more like Homelander* than Super Man, but hey, what do I know!? I suspect I'm no longer the target market either way.
* As in The Boys, on Amazon
This is good (Score:4, Insightful)
Some times you just want to be entertained, especially when the world seems like it's getting shittier.
I don't need another superhero movie where it spends most of its time trying to depress me. It's OK to go 'full comic', drop the grimdark, and just have fun.
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Some times you just want to be entertained, especially when the world seems like it's getting shittier.
I don't need another superhero movie where it spends most of its time trying to depress me. It's OK to go 'full comic', drop the grimdark, and just have fun.
Yep, the old school Superman movies (think Reeve) and cartoons (50s or 60s IIRC) were quite bright and uplifting, Superman being a good guy and the bad guys being beaten by him. It's a recent phenomina to turn everything into a dark, gritty, film grainy, speech-become-unintelligible-grunty type of film.
Is it so wrong to have a 2 hour simplistic plot where a good guy defeats evil in lighting that means you can see what's going on?
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I wonder when the idiots think Superman went "woke"? Is the woke in the building right now?
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It's woke garbage. It will not be getting my dollars.
Superman originated as the ultimate Good Samaritan. He stayed that way for a long time. Too bad MAGA don't like good people.
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It's woke garbage. It will not be getting my dollars.
Superman originated as the ultimate Good Samaritan. He stayed that way for a long time. Too bad MAGA don't like good people.
This. Also, note this article, [msnbc.com] which talks about how Republicans of the past would have embraced the ethos of Superman.
It's sad that we now live in a world where giving a shit about someone makes you suspect.
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They're full on calling empathy a sin now. I mean, how much more far gone can they get?
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Reviews in all DPG Media outlets were really bad.
Why do we care about reviews from the Defense Planning Guidance committee?
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Was Superman woke when he went after the Klan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Superman is not an interesting character (Score:3)
A mostly uninteresting superhero. This perfect man, with perfect super powers and is all powerful gets occasionally challenged a little bit.
Give me batman or something any day. No wonder they have to keep rebooting superman, it's just not an interesting story. Sounds like this one did fine (not inflation adjusted numbers of course) cause its summer
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A mostly uninteresting superhero. This perfect man, with perfect super powers
Agreed. He has it too easy, except for Kryptonite -- and good luck finding some of that.
Give me batman or something any day.
Can't agree here, as it's the opposite problem: Batman is just a rich guy with expensive toys (not unlike Iron Man). No superpowers whatsoever. How are they even considered superheroes?
But I have to admit that the Batmobile in the 1960s Adam West series was totally badass.
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The interesting aspects of Superman are to do with his wanting to be a force for good in a complex world. He can face challenges when the world makes it hard to do the right thing, and he explore what the moral good actually is.
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Superman is at his best, I think, when we see behind the scenes. Who he is as Clark, how he navigates balancing his double identities, how he resists doing things the "easy way" with his god-like powers.
The New Adventures Of Superman (for all its faults) got that right. It focused on Clark most of the time and brought o
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We need some idealism back. The world got pretty uninspiring.
interesting re-framing of their failures as "super (Score:4, Interesting)
interesting re-framing of their failures as "super hero fatigue"
pretty sure it was a case of shit story with a focus on things that didn't add to the story/action...
We were looking for a fun, action adventure not a hammering over the head about societal issues... You can address those, but don't need to be heavy handed about it.
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You must have missed the era when Superman was punching nazis.
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And the Klan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Progressives may have invented wokeness but conservatives turned it into an artform.
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Progressives may have invented wokeness but conservatives turned it into an artform.
Woke = The Good Samaritan.
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If you can search Twitter I am almost 100% confident you will find someone unironically making that exact argument.
Woke is whatever your imagination requires it to be.
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What superhero movies are you specifically referring to that were "hammering over the head about societal issues"? I can't think of many, and those that did address social issues (Civil War, X-Men: Days of Future Past) followed well regarded comics about these issues (though haven't necessarily implemented them well).
"Superhero fatigue" actually comes from another direction: there are just so many movies you can watch that are basically the same, and too many tie-in Marvel TV series, which the movies refere
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Superhero fatigue I believe just refers to the glut of superhero comic book movies released the past decade - there feels like a new MCU movie coming out every month, a new DC movie coming out every few months, and "everything else", with the "everything else" doesn't really generate as much buzz. Maybe a handful of movies but always overshadowed by DC/Marvel movies.
I wouldn't even call it "woke" stuff, I'd call it just releasing tons and tons of comic book superhero movies that everyone's just tired.
Grante
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Sure, there are a lot of movies, but I think that's just half the problem. As I mentioned, I feel that the Marvel TV series are more of an issue. These ad many many hours of superhero stuff to watch, and the problem is that movies then reference the series. You can't go to a movie and fully understand it without these references.
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https://www.dc.com/blog/2017/0... [dc.com]
"And remember boys and girls, your school - like our country - is made up of Americans of many different races, religions, and national origins. So... if YOU hear anybody talk against a schoolmate or anyone else because of his religion, race, or national origin - don't wait: tell him THAT KIND OF TALK IS UN-AMERICAN" - Superman, 1949.
Superman has always been "woke" on societal issues and has never been quiet about it. That's what makes him super. And racists unamerican.
Which
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None of the bad DC movies were bad because they were "woke". They were just badly written on a technical level, and the stories were not that interesting. There was clearly a requirement from on high to make them into franchise set-up vehicles. The early Marvel stuff that was actually good worked because they were good movies by themselves, and most of the new stuff is bad in no small part because it's just there to set up the next thing.
The Snider ones had their own issues of course.
Gunn seems to have the
You guys actually want to see this? (Score:2, Insightful)
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No, it doesn't depress me. Comparisons between versions of things is something I enjoy. It's like watching a movie of a book. They may be different, but even if they're both not great, noting the differences creates for me something which transcends the originals.
Granted, I know that's not the case for a lot of other people, but when someone tells me "that's Superman, but different in some ways", and these are ways I think I'd like (such as not being dark), this immediately makes me curious.
I agree that the
Brighter pfft (Score:2)
I hate this with a purple passion. As an old fart that grew up in the 70's and 80's that had to live through the shit show that was the SuperFriends era with the wonder twins, the entire reason that DC got bitch slapped by Marvel in that era is because DC was so damn childish and "bright". Marvel covered tough topics and was dark. It was awesome. Marvel also bitchslapped DC at the theaters with their dark take on the superheroes. Prior to Thor Ragnarok, Marvel did humor RIGHT. The injected humor fit with th
Digital is perfect (Score:2)
Not related to your rant, which I totally disagree with but feel no need to argue, as what I like is simply different than what you like. However, I have to disagree with your sig.
Digital is, by definition, perfect. Digital is order, it's something that is well defined. It's something that tells you precisely what it is. Even its imperfections are well defined.
Analogue is a mess. It's a collection of physical features which produce, by total happenstance (and tweaking) something that might be pleasant. It's
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Digital is perfect only for the parts that are not thrown away. Digital algorithms frequently parts of data streams that it deems as not necessary. Analog typically has the entire stream even if not useful or is considered noise. It comes from a different perspective of the definition of perfect. There is more than one. Digital is not complete, therefor imperfect.
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When I saw Ragnarok and Thor, a God, throw a rubber bouncy ball against a glass window that didnt break, but the returned ball knock Thor down, I just about got up and walked out.
I'm pretty sure that ball was not supposed to be rubber. Of the things to object to there, that seems like a silly thing to object to. A more problematic thing to worry about would be the electric net gun that easily takes down the god of thunder. Not to mention the tiny little electric disk that can zap him into submission. I get that it's supposed to be advanced alien technology and that maybe more is going on than just an electric shock, but it's still a bit silly when a superhero goes from being who can
New ideas (Score:2)
How many Superman movies, TV shows, and cartoons have been made in the last 70 years?
Jesus, are we completely out of any new ideas?
I guess they will keep recycling superman and batman until every last baby boomer is buried and forgotten. Plus 75 years. Sigh. It's going to be a long wait....
Headline focus (Score:2)
This story reads like the marketing folks finally beat a level in a video game.
Maybe that point of view is part of the problem with the industry.
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It is astonishing to me that a studio would put itself into that kind of position. Especially over something as lame as Superman.
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Oh, it's not as risky as it sounds. The studios use "Hollywood Accounting" tricks to make it appear as if they are losing money when in fact they are raking it in. These gross numbers are just part of the smoke-and-mirrors.
I don't know what these tricks actually are, of course, as I am not in a position to know. But I have read that they are along the lines of: part of making this movie involves building a bunch of wooden props. So the studio contracts with a company to build those props. The company i
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I read that they use similar tricks to get out of royalty payments, after the fact, apparently. It has something to do with the different ways the royalty agreements are worded.
"Hollywood accounting" like that is why stars insist on percentages of box office receipts (as well as disc sales, streaming sales, etc.) in any profit sharing arrangement these days.
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oof, this is just embarassing cope
4.0 on letterboxd
93% audience on RT, 82% critics
expected $200m+ weekend
i dont think you lot even know what you want anymore, the movie you claim to want does and, never has and will never exist except in your own brains. you'll never be happy again, your conspiracies have ruined your sense of enjoyment
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Considering the $200M opening weekend this is having and it's total run and then worldwide, this I bet will quietly approach or even pass $1B in the next 12 weeks if not sooner. That kind of take isn't all that uncommon these days, there were three $1B pictures in 2024.
Also I imagine this is something of a "loss leader" film, this has to be a big deal since this is really the DC tentpole to this new attempt ("I'm sure DC won't fuck this one up" [youtu.be]) at their cinematic universe so they're probably more concerne
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Inside Out 2 opened to $155m and ended up clearing like $1.5B worldwide by the end.
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But is it incorrect?
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Yes it is incorrect. Blurs the line between reality and fiction, and totally lacks a moral compass. It says because Superman refuses to kill, he is out of sync with the times, and that there would be public backlash because "pragmatic, more violent" solutions are "expected". Written like a total sociopath.
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You mean it's holding a mirror up to OUR behavior, because lets face it no one can dictate Superman's moral compass. That's part of what makes him, him.
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It's a mirror because plenty of insane people are around and write things on the internet. This still does not make the ChatGPT comment correct. It's still insane. I mean nobody sane would sincerely have written that (meaning, other than irony, obvious provocation). If it was a page from a student essay for school, I'd report the kid for psychiatric assessment and police watchlist. I'd be terrified to come back to work next day with that kid in the school. This is the next Hannibal Lecter we have here.
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That’s a lot of heat for a pretty basic observation: Superman doesn’t kill, and that’s what makes him compelling. The idea that people today might expect more "pragmatic" or forceful solutions isn’t sociopathy—it’s realism. Look at public support for the death penalty, drone strikes, or stand-your-ground laws. The world’s more peaceful statistically, sure—but the instinct to use force "for the greater good" is still around.
The story doesn’t say Clark sho
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The idea that people today might expect more "pragmatic" or forceful solutions isn’t sociopathy—it’s realism.
Come on. Superman would be basically a super-policeman. When police manages to capture criminals without harm, there is no a mob yelling "kill him!!!". It might have happened in the past, at least according to stereotypes, but not now, or at least not at the level of an expectation. Superman picking up a criminal to deliver it to the authorities would be no different than a policeman with a perfect bulletproof jacket.
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Is it mindless slop? By definition, yes. Any venture into anything of interest is accidental.
If someone has genuine questions that happen to intersect with the LLMs, they'll likely raise them without prompting. We don't need this shit polluting *gestures everywhere*
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Off topic but, in relation to your .sig, I remember a joke from Steve Wozniak's joke book (he co-wrote it with someone but can't remember the other guy offhand). It went something like:
A programmer had as his epitaph: Let it be known that, although he was bent, spindles and mutilated. He did not fold!
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I hate relying to AI slop, but there is a more interesting argument that it doesn't address here.
Imagine Superman appeared in the real world, today. There would be immense pressure on him to resolve current on-going conflicts. The situation in Ukraine is perhaps one of the easier ones, with Putin being the clear bad guy. What about in Palestine though? One side is committing genocide, while accusing the other of terrorism. Superman would be accused of anti-semitism the moment he got involved. Would be imple
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One of my favourite moments of the Reeve films was when 'bad' Clark fixed the leaning tower of Pisa.
Difficult problems require pragmatic solutions. Too much Kryptonite could kill him, smaller doses might regulate his messiah complex.
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Genocide? You people keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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The ICJ already ruled that what is happening is prima facie genocide. It's an accurate legal term.
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The ICJ is a corrupt political body of antisemites and their lead prosecutor is in trouble for harassing women. No credibility.
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I find the evidence submitted by South Africa, and the subsequent evidence from other sources, to be quite credible.
Today a former Israeli PM condemned the plans to open concentration camps for Gazans. His words, "concentration camps".
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Yours is an example of shooting the messenger, while not addressing the message. At least someone recognized what's important.
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I almost never agree with that guy but there is entirely no point in making a post where you just paste an AI response. That post is worth about as much as the swastika spam that used to be so common here. It just takes up space and adds nothing to the discussion. Trolls are more interesting.