The Trilogy as One 441
jmays writes "New Line is re-releasing 'The Fellowship of the Ring' and 'The Two Towers' except this time, in their respective extended versions. When? Once each week for the two weeks prior to the opening of 'The Return of the King.'"
That will be fun (Score:5, Informative)
I'm less excited about Two Towers since I found the movie to be a disappointment. I'll still go check it out though. (who am i kidding, i'll still probably buy the dvd Tolkien whore that I am).
I don't know about the Dec 16th all day marathon though. Something about going to a movie at 3pm and leaving after midnight. Besides, my GF has enough trouble staying awake in a 1.5 hour long movie.
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Re:That will be fun (Score:4, Funny)
Dunno, but a catheter might be a good idea. But I don't look forward to putting one in.
Re:That will be fun (Score:3, Interesting)
For some real humor read the testimonials [stadiumpal.com]
Re:That will be fun (Score:5, Informative)
Leave her home!
Re:That will be fun (Score:4, Informative)
Leave her home!
I say fuck her.
Re:That will be fun (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Two Towers was amazing (Score:3, Insightful)
Dec. 16th Marathons (Score:5, Informative)
FOTR @ 1500
TTT @ 1900
ROTK @ 2300
Not only can you to see the entire story at once, but beat all the other line-standing fans by 1 whole hour!
That must count for some serious geek points in the grand scheme of things.
Call your favorite theater today and request that they carry this special engagement. If they won't, drive to a big city, this ought to be worth it!
Re:Dec. 16th Marathons (Score:5, Funny)
- Viruses go rampant as sysadmins fail to respond to urgent system messages
- Patches, code deadlines missed
- Executives everywhere are paralyzed as their IT depts leave for a whole day and they can't figure out what to do when that Blue Screen with the white letters appears (in case you're reading this: reboot)
- More importantly, the obesity % of the American populace has a massive spike
Re:Dec. 16th Marathons (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Dec. 16th Marathons (Score:3, Insightful)
SOmetimes its good to remind the people up stairs whats what.
Re:Dec. 16th Marathons (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like some theater chains should seriously consider getting a T1 and a Wi-Fi system.
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Not my cup of tea (Score:3, Insightful)
did not enjoy the first LOTR film and decided to not bother with the rest of
the trilogy. I couldn't imagine the tedium of sitting through an extended
version.
The problem with them was that they were quite simply boring. Although the
filmmakers had done this incredible technical job of putting the world of
Middle Earth on the screen it felt horribly sterile. Of course it's often
the case that a film doesn't work as well as the way you imagined the book,
but in the case of LOTR the film seemed to have little merit. It was a
long road movie without the depth of the Middle Earth world and relationships
between the characters and the different type of characters lost in the
filming.
Not trying to troll, just that the film had all the look of Middle Earth
without any of the feeling. A bit like Matrix Reloaded: all shiny but
hollow at the same time.
John.
(Of course there was the incomparable Liv Tyler [imdb.com]
so it wasn't a totally wasted 3 hours
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:4, Informative)
1) The alarms in the ship went off, telling them the sentinals are coming. I sensed them from my seat.
Second, are we to believe Neo just happened to gesture at precisely the same time as the EMP went off?
2) I've seen the nice DVD AC3 release, and yes, it does happen at the same time, from the same direction as the ship's EMP entrance.
Third, why would it incapacitate him?
3) Bane(the guy Agent Smith took over) was also knocked out by the EMP blast. I can only guess that they both share the same quality.
Face it, Neo did stop those sentinals. Basically the entire reason we're all going to see the next one is to see how.
That is the point of a cliffhanger and a conclusion.
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:2)
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:2)
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the extended version of Two Towers hasn't been released yet, right?
Yes, oh, yes (Score:4, Insightful)
The first movie felt very true to the books. Long, dull, lots of walking and hiding. To paraphrase John Goodman in Barton Fink, my butt was sore after the first 45 minutes.
The second movie (to which I was drug by my wife) was actually quite good, IMHO. I'd highly recommend it to anyone. The Gollum/Smegiel (sp?) sequences have to be seen to be believed.
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:4, Insightful)
Now having said that I was slightly disappointed with the way the films have portrayed the main point of the book, e.g. the destroying of evil to preserve good. Don't get me wrong I loved the films but they have lost a certain element that really comes through in the narrative of the books. Basically the films are much more dark than the books are. As dire as the book seems some times there always seems to be a chapter thrown in of happiness to reenforce just exactly what they are fighting for.
This didn't have to happen. Peter Jackson has done a great job of special effects and making this in to a great action flick but he lost some of the feeling and it was sooooo easy to fix. Instead of starting "The Fellowship of the Ring" with the story of the ring it should have started as the book did, Bilbo's birthday party. You can easily fill in the audience when Gandalf finds out exactly what the ring is. In fact this leaves some suspense for 1/2 hour while the audience is settling in and enjoying the scenery. Than when Gandalf comes back and tells Frodo the story you could have inserted the action sequence from the beginning of the film using Gandalf's voice for the voice over which would have lent more "harshness" to it.
For as great as the books are, and I absolutely love them, they still come down to good vs evil and we all know how that will end we just don't know the details. The point is to make those who don't know anything about the books to fall in love with the simplicity and naivety of the Shire(recalling childhood), the majesty of the elves(the ability to believe that there are benevolent "gods"), the incredible variety and wonder of nature(the absolute silliness but child like qualities of Tom Bombadil, Gandalf's friendship with Shadowfax, Legolas falling in love with Fanghorn, Gimli falling in love with Helm's deep). The idea that man is soooo small in compared to the age of the universe or even the earth, e.g. the Ents are Old beyond imagining but this doesn't come through.
Almost all of this went missing from the films.
And last but not least, how dare anyone but the King of Gondor touch the sword of Isildir! That was simply unneeded, sure it doesn't mean anything to a person who hasn't read the books but for those who have, that incident alone should make them question Jackson's real commitment to the character of the books. Hell, once again there was simply NO NEED FOR IT. Why didn't Aragorn have the sword when Frodo met him just like in the book? There's no need to explain in detail as the book did. It is the thing that makes Frodo "recognize" Aragorn and that's easily done in a line or two or three.
Anyway, enough analysis, suffice it to say that I think the books are great the films in their own way are great but that they miss the character of the book for no good reason.
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:3, Interesting)
Speaking of robbing of dignity, who's seen the trailer for that god-awful movie Viggo i
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sorry to hear that you didn't knjoy the movie. However, if your main criticism is "it was boring" then you really need to re-evaluate the film. If the acting were bad, the plot simple and the effects horrible, then you can say it was a bad movie. But "boring" is too much the result of either too little imagination, sleepiness/depression, or misunderstanding. I once saw a movie while I was in a very bad mood, and I pretty much hated it. Upon seeing the same movie later in a better mood, I loved it.
With that in mind, you may want to watch the movie again.
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It's an outrage! (Score:5, Funny)
FLAME FLAME FLAME
- Just wanted to make your prophecy come true...
It's the format (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:It's the format (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's the format (Score:4, Informative)
Fast-forward 17 years, to when Frodo is 50 and Bilbo is 128. Gandalf shows up in the *spring*, tells Frodo all about the One Ring, and then says, I'll be back by fall (of 3018).
The hobbits have their adventures and return to the Shire around November 1st of the *following* year (3019). Then there's a handful more pages, and in 3021, Frodo, Bilbo, and the Three Keepers (Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel) leave Middle-Earth. Sam returns home shortly thereafter, and *that's* when LOTR ends. Technically, the book encompasses a bit over 20 years, although the bulk of the action occurs within a span of about a year and a half.
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Re:It's the format (Score:5, Funny)
In tonight's episode, Aragorn relates the tale of Tinuviel to Frodo, as the other hobbits sleep. Insider scoop: according to New Line Television, the actual Tinuviel backstory was filmed, but due to protests by geeks it was dropped in favor of a true-to-book one hour narration by Viggo Mortensen.
Re:Not my cup of tea (Score:2)
Yikes! Liv Tyler should have been banned from that movie
I agree. This movie isn't about romance, though there was a smidgen of it in the books, it was not focused on at all.
It's not like the geeks/nerds reading and watching LoTR really know much about seducing a hot woman anyway. You gotta play to your audience, right?
BTW, I was comparing how great the background of LoTR is compared to the new Star Wars. A beautiful canyon, a perfect valley, beats a computer generated wizz-bang traffic jam in a fu
Any Idea (Score:2, Interesting)
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Re:Any Idea (Score:3, Informative)
Personally, I'm hoping to see a bit more character development of Eomer. All that got lost in the theatrical release.
Re:Any Idea (Score:5, Informative)
Besides this, he addressed interesting issues (people could ask questions) like the presence of Elves in Helm's Deep and such other things. He answered really calmly and smartly, with precise and interesting arguments.
I really doubt PJ could even manage to do a bad movie with RotK after having seen the two other ones, but I can't wait to find out. And I'm sure I'm not alone in this.
Re:Any Idea (Score:5, Informative)
- Extended opening, in which the hobbits scale a cliff face using the rope Galadriel gave Sam, including a better build-up to the arrival of Gollum.
- More friction between the Uruk-Hai and the Orcs as they transport Merry and Pippin back to Isengard, which better sets up the fight over food that takes place later.
- More scenes of Saruman breeding his army, creating better pacing as the invasion of Rohan begins
- Terrific scene in which Eomer finds the body of Theodred, Theodens son.
- Additional scenes with Merry and Pippin, including extensions to existing Treebeard scenes and the Ent Draught sequence, in which the hobbits grow. In another scene, Treebeards soporific poetry works its magic.
- Theodreds funeral scene, with Eowyn singing a lament.
- A wonderful introduction to Aragorns horse Brego, who we learn was Theodreds horse. Aragorn requests Brego be set free, which places his later rescue in better context.
- Additional scenes between Eowyn and Aragorn, including one in which he attempts to eat a bowl of evil-looking stew.
- More scenes between Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli, which expand upon the films politics (including the union between the two towers Gandalf scene from the trailer, though that line is missing from what I can remember).
- More of Sarumans musings, setting up themes that will be explored in The Return of the King.
- Flashback to the circumstances surrounding Boromir being sent to Rivendell for the Council of Elrond, taking place during the re-taking of Osgiliath by the Gondorian army. This sequence briefly introduces John Noble as Denethor, a major character in The Return of the King. I was worried this sequence would seem like an indulgence, but its difficult to imagine the film without it; not only is the character of Faramir, much maligned by fans of the book, given added depth, so too is Boromir enriched by this addition.
- Just before the Ents storming of Isengard, the Huorns mobilise and leave to attend to business elsewhere; they reappear at Helms Deep to kill the Uruk-Hai as they flee.
- New ending, with Merry and Pippin finding a larder at Isengard, including two barrels of pipe-weed; a hilarious scene in which Gimli and Legolas compare their scores after the battle of Helms Deep; Frodo, Sam and Gollum are shown the way out of Osgiliath by Faramir, who threatens Gollum; theres even a brief moment in which Sam and Gollum appear to make peace.
- Along with all these major additions, many more scenes are subtly extended to give more information or reinforce themes already present.
Re:Any Idea (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Any Idea (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd say in general, there's just more background information. Like Bilbo writes at the beginning (and reads what he's writing in the film like a narration) some background information on Hobbits and their
God (Score:5, Funny)
woods (Score:2, Funny)
Great, 30 more minutes of them running through the woods. On two DVDs with millions of features i'll never even consider watching.
-n
One question... (Score:2)
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Slashdotted already (Score:4, Informative)
Before any king can return, New Line Cinema will re-release of the first two "Lord of the Rings" pics worldwide, this time with additional scenes and footage added.
Just two weeks before the Dec. 17 release of "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" -- the final installment of the Peter Jackson [theonering.net]-helmed epic trilogy -- the first two "Ring" entries will be unspooling worldwide.
In memoranda sent to exhibitors on Wednesday, New Line laid out a game plan to promote the third film by refreshing filmgoers' memories with "The Fellowship of the Ring" and "The Two Towers."
Plan calls for putting the films on 100-150 screens in top 10 U.S. markets. Many other U.S. cities will have one cinema participating in the special extended edition screenings. Running times for the extended editions are 208 minutes for "Fellowship of the Ring" and 214 minutes for "The Two Towers."
Advanced ticket sales are scheduled to begin in late September or early October on exhibitor Web sites and movie ticketing sites like Fandango, MovieFone and Movietickets.com.
"The release of the third film affords us a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to give audiences a compelling new theatrical experience of Peter Jackson [theonering.net]'s sprawling vision for this trilogy," said Rolf Mittweg, prexy and chief operating officer for worldwide distribution and marketing.
The cost, one New Line insider estimated, will be between $10 million and $15 million. Due to the extended length of the new prints, the move is being cast as a promotional tool rather than a moneymaker.
"It is important to note," the memo says, "that these events are produced as a marketing/publicity stunt and not as a revenue generating opportunity" and that media support will be limited largely to the Internet and participating theaters.
Starting the week of Dec. 5, the extended DVD cut of "Fellowship of the Ring" will be released in some 100 or so theaters in the U.S. and in 20 theaters in Canada.
Then, the week of Dec. 12, sequel "Two Towers" will unspool, just a month after having preemed on DVD, leading up to a worldwide Dec. 16 daylong marathon, during which all three films will be shown back-to-back. Exhib guidelines call for a 3 p.m. showing of "Fellowship" followed by a 7 p.m. screening of "Two Towers" and then an 11 p.m. screening of "Return of the King," which will carry over into Dec. 17 -- the day of its global release.
Overseas, it's not yet clear whether all exhibs will be showing the new footage-added prints of the previous "Rings" pics. According to one New Line insider, the decision is being left to exhibs, which will make their requests known to New Line in the next few weeks.
Italy and Japan will not immediately be included in the foreign promotional blitz. Italo comedies dominate that country around the holidays, and corporate sibling Warner Bros. will be carpeting Japan with the next "Harry Potter" pic. Triad of "Rings" pics will instead screen in January in Italy and February in Japan.
"King" is produced by Barrie M. Osborne, Fran Walsh and Jackson, with a screenplay by Walsh & Philippa Boyens and Jackson, based on the book by J.R.R. Tolkien.
Re:Slashdotted already (Score:5, Informative)
Call me a pawn of 'the man', but . . . (Score:5, Funny)
Three and half hours... Why don't they have intermissions anymore?
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Theaters. (Score:5, Informative)
Just to be clear, these are being released in the theaters. Not on VHS / DVD, which was my immediate thought.
Re:Theaters. (Score:2)
The extended version of FOTR has been out since last year, when I bought it, just before TTT was release. And again they will release last year's movie on extended DVD before showing ROTK.
FoxTrot (Score:5, Funny)
The sister asks her kid brother and his friend where they are going. They say they're going to watch 3 Star Wars movies. She says, "All three? back-to-back?" They reply, "No, all three...three times in a row."
My only... (Score:5, Funny)
My only... my precious...
Hrm...did George Lucas help? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Hrm...did George Lucas help? (Score:2)
Milking the Cow (Score:2)
Will Warner Bros. be doing the same for the Matrix Trilogy?
Re:Milking the Cow (Score:2)
Ah yes, those greedy bastards.
Re:Milking the Cow (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Milking the Cow (Score:5, Informative)
Releasing 3+ hour long movies in 3 successive weeks in few select theatres with little fanfaire (at least according to the article) doesn't sound like over-exposure. Sounds more like a treat for the fans.
As for a 10 hour movie, while that certainly would be interesting, it would a) involve lots of work by jackson et al. to interweave the films (rather than simply playing back to back) and b) would be expensive as hell. (as two sets of different prints would have to be sent out to the theatres, depending if they were showing ROTK or the entire trilogy movie, or both if they having two different sets.) and c) would be financially disasterous for the movie theaters. (as a 10 hour movie for the price of one, means they are losing admission on at least 2 to 4 films).
As for other arguments regarding milking the cow, New Line and Jackson have ALL along stated that each DVD would be released as a theatrical and an extended edition. True fans who wanted both could buy both, others could pick which one to get. as I recall, there were even signs up at the stores (or stickers on the dvd) when FOTR came out reminding people that the extended version was still to be released.
Yay! (Score:3, Funny)
Months ago I had said to my friends "Since I can't do it in theaters, I'm gonna get all the extended DVDs when they come out and watch them in a row.". Now I CAN do it in theaters. Hurray.
Re:Yay! (Score:3, Informative)
All in one? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:All in one? (Score:2, Funny)
It's about three feet thick, and the most awkward reading experience you'll ever have. I'd rather have a nice set.
Re:All in one? (Score:5, Interesting)
Sound familiar? It should be, it's the title of the Red Book that Frodo leaves with Sam at the Grey Havens.
The sublty of this moment, slighty smudged by the fact that the book is divided in 3, is, to me, the greatest of the whole story... I was not reading a book written by J.R.R. Tolkien, I was reading a book started by Bilbo Baggins then by Frodo with Peregrin Took, Samwise Gamee and Meriadoc Brandybuck and later translated by Mr. Tolkien.
I always shudder at that point in the story when, yet again, I realize that the story is a tale of a quest performed by the bold little people of the Shire.
Re:All in one? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:All in one? (Score:3, Funny)
(that's a poor attempt at humor, for those of you so-impaired)
I'm a smoker... (Score:2, Funny)
graspee
Re:I'm a smoker... (Score:2)
However, that 11:00 showing of Return of the King on December 16 is looking attractive...
Could someone answer me... (Score:2)
Bring a bedpan and pack a lunch (Score:4, Funny)
LOTR - As good as mediocre can be.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Yet I must admit that I was quite excieted about LOTR, only to be disapointed.
Maybe I expected too much, maybe I allowed myself to be a victim of the hype. Maybe it'd be better had I gone in expecting nothing like I did with Fight Club and come out feeling that I had just seen the best movie of the year if not the decade without expecting it.
I am not saying that LOTR is bad, it certainly deserves an A+ for effort,
a guess (Score:4, Insightful)
Food? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Food? (Score:5, Funny)
So you can pick up a greasy burger, salty fries, and a mega-jumbo coke instead?
Helpful hints... (Score:3, Funny)
How NOT to smuggle food into the movies [amishrobot.com]...
Will we see Tom? (Score:2)
I wish they would make a version... (Score:2, Insightful)
Alas I'll still buy the videos.
WE HATE THE MPAA (Score:2, Funny)
Who buys a movie they've seen anyways, that's something I've never understood.
And in related news.... (Score:2)
Here's a summary of TTT for those who missed it (Score:2, Funny)
Part II
At that very moment, some wood elves were making an important discovery. Gollum had vanished!
Could it be that he found the ring from Isildur who fell into a swamp and floated down the stream? Gandalf frowned.
"Uruk-hai!" shouted Aragorn. "Gazundheit" said Gimli. "Orcs!" shouted Aragorn, and four hundred and twenty thousand orcs thundered down on the tiny camp. The Man Who Would Be King rolled on the ground, grappling with the murderous bea
In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
how to avoid the bathroom while watching the movie (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article
Re:how to avoid the bathroom while watching the mo (Score:5, Funny)
TTT was a disappointment.... (Score:2, Insightful)
R Rating? (Score:3, Interesting)
I predict... (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe a Rant, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Extended... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:umm... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:umm... (Score:2)
At best, the movies may be packaged as one, or in a collection, but the cuts, commentary, and probably the features will not change.
Re:1st post (Score:3, Funny)
You mean The Revenge Of Sauron ? No, Peter Jackson clearly stated only the first three books would be part of his movie trilogy.
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Re:1st post (Score:4, Interesting)
Sauron Defeated (book 9 of the history of middle earth) contains drafts of JRR Tolkien's planned
"Epilogue" to LotR. "The Peoples of Middle-earth", Vol 12 of HoMe, contains drafts of a planned sequel, "The New Shadow".
So there actually sort of was a book 4.
Re:Math (Score:2)
"leading up to a worldwide Dec. 16 daylong marathon, during which ALL THREE FILMS will be shown back-to-back. Exhib guidelines call for a 3 p.m. showing of "Fellowship" followed by a 7 p.m. screening of "Two Towers" and then an 11 p.m. screening of "Return of the King," which will carry over into Dec. 17 -- the day of its global release."
Re:Math (Score:2)
Comprehension, was Re:Math (Score:2)
So where's the third DVD movie in a two movie DVD release? D'OH! Oh wait, it hasn't come out yet...
*hem, hem*
The article is, in fact, referring to "theatrical release." The idea is that, in the same month, the extended versions of the first two movies will be available in limited theaters, so that one might properly prep for the release of the third movie (also in theaters).
Re:One thing that confuses me. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sigh . . . (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I won't even see the original release in theatr (Score:3, Informative)
With that said, there is a HUGE difference with the LOTR DVDs. You're starting with a 3 hour movie in which Peter Jackson made cuts he DIDN'T want to make. Then, they didn't just