Build Your Own Mortar 338
Ant sends this link about a home-made mortar. Now all he needs is explosive shells and a good tripod...
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Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:5, Interesting)
Are these things legal? In every state?
Slashdot effect + 'Build Your Own Motor', we may have just set off Echelon alarms
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:3, Informative)
This might also be a general product safety issue. You're not allowed to use homemade propane cylinders, either--they have to have them inspected and tested. It's not because propane cylinders are inherently dangerous when used correctly, or even because you're expected to do something stupid with them. It's because if you screw up the manufa
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2, Funny)
-1, Stupid.
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:5, Informative)
12301. (a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter, shall include any of the following weapons:
(1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.
(2) Any bomb, grenade, explosive missile, or similar device or any launching device therefor.
(3) Any weapon of a caliber greater than 0.60 caliber which fires fixed ammunition, or any ammunition therefor, other than a shotgun (smooth or rifled bore) conforming to the definition of a "destructive device" found in subsection (b) of Section 179.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, shotgun ammunition (single projectile or shot), antique rifle, or an antique cannon. For purposes of this section, the term "antique cannon" means any cannon manufactured before January 1, 1899, which has been rendered incapable of firing or for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. The term "antique rifle" means a firearm conforming to the definition of an "antique firearm" in Section 179.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(4) Any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device of a diameter greater than 0.60 inch, or any launching device therefor, and any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical substance, other than the propellant for such device, except such devices as are designed primarily for emergency or distress signaling purposes.
(5) Any breakable container which contains a flammable liquid with a flashpoint of 150 degrees Fahrenheit or less and has a wick or similar device capable of being ignited, other than a device which is commercially manufactured primarily for the purpose of illumination.
(6) Any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an explosion by a chemical reaction.
(b) The term "explosive," as used in this chapter, shall mean any explosive defined in Section 12000 of the Health and Safety Code.
12303. Any person, firm, or corporation who, within this state, possesses any destructive device, other than fixed ammunition of a caliber greater than
And no, it's not considered a shotgun. And this has been the law for a -long- time.
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2)
But a quick Google search on "12301. (a) The term "destructive device" gives six
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:3, Interesting)
It is possible to pay a large tax, undergo a background check, etc, to posess NFA weapons in a few states. But most states prohibit private ownership of NFA weapons; and everywhere else it's a big hassle. It's not like buying a handgun.
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2)
The "large tax" is $200.
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2)
It doesn't match Title 18 section 921 of the U.S. Code, which is the standard for federal weapon definitions (though they technically only apply to Chapter 44 of Title 18).
Your text also refers to Section 179 of Title 27, which I can't even find (Title 27 covers intoxicating liquids and nearly all of it was repealed).
You can view Title 18 secion 921 here: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/htm_hl?DB=usc o de18&STEMMER=en&URL=/uscode [cornell.edu]
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:5, Informative)
This subclause makes me really question the truth of the whole post. Why on earth would a cannon that is "rendered incapable of firing" be considered a destructive device? I suppose you could use it as a battering ram, but then it's functionally no different from a big steel I-beam.
--Paul
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2)
What about my trebuchet? (Score:2, Funny)
Slashdot... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Kalifornia Law? (Score:2)
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:3, Insightful)
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. "
Now, I'm not sure what part of "well regulated militia" this thing falls into.
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:2)
Black powder muzzle loaders tend to be far less restricted than other fire arms. I'm not sure how this would stand, though.
like a spud gun (Score:5, Interesting)
Big piece of PVC pipe (capped on one end, natch). Spray some hair spray in, stuff a potatoe into the end, and connect a battery to a model-rocket solar igniter you have in the bottom (get behind something in case the PVC fails).
Kaboom!
We found, after much experimentation, that there was quite a difference in the potential energy of various hair-spray products (which we had, of course, five-finger discounted from our mothers). "The Dry Look" turned out to be the most energetic brand.
Re:like a spud gun (Score:3, Informative)
Forget lugging a battery around and wasting rocket igniters...I'll go you one better! Go to a hardware store and get a gas barbecue igniter (the kind with the pushbutton that you click and it sparks) and drill a hole in the side and screw the igniter in.
I also use a 2" pipe for the barell and a 2" to 6 or 8" adapter with a short length of the large diameter and a cap. Works real good!
Safety reasons (Score:4, Funny)
In fact, some of the heavier ordinance we built required detonation by remote control (we had an almost unlimited supply of gunpowder, and thus got into plenty of mischief). Not that we were that bright, we had just watched enough old war movies to realize that we didn't want any shrapnel in us, and understood that sometimes things fragment violently when exposed to high pressures. We cannibalized circuit boards out of an old remote-control car (plus some RadioShack project boxes)... it kept our precious little hides out of the Emergency Room.
Those were the days.
Re:like a spud gun (Score:2)
Thanks Dan! Your legacy lives on...
Re:like a spud gun (Score:2)
I've seen these pre-made for sale at gun shows. They had a clean out plug you could screw out to inject the ligher fluid. The center of the plug had been drilled and long butane lighter, the kind used to light charcoal, hot glued into it.
Great christmas presents for nephews you want to get rid of...
Yes indeed (Score:3)
For my money, there was no finer way to spend a saturday afternoon than shooting potatoes into the woods with the other neighborhood kids (of course, these days you'd probably be arrested as a terrorist and interrogated by the FBI).
Between that and bottle-rocket wars, it's a wonder one of us didn't lose an eye.
Re:Yes indeed (Score:2)
Laughing so hard I forgot about the lit cracker in my hand. BOOM! Hurts like hell. One minute laughing, the next you're crying. Such is life sometimes.
Of course I am thankful we didn't do any real damage when growing up and further blowing up objects (read: mailboxes). In those days a neighbor always saw you do it, called your mother
Re:Cool, Yes. Legal? Smart? (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone want to bet how long until he (Score:3, Funny)
Uhh!! Editors... (Score:5, Funny)
Uh, I do NOT need those items. Maybe the guy who built the mortar does!
Or maybe a rocket ..... (Score:3, Informative)
Only four ounces of powder (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Only four ounces of powder (Score:5, Funny)
But only one time.
Re:Only four ounces of powder (Score:5, Interesting)
That said... I probably would try more too
Re:Only four ounces of powder (Score:3, Informative)
"a few ounces" is around the payload of a normal offensive hand granate. A AIM-9J missile has less then a pound of explosives in the warhead and can destroy a jet fighter.
I once tried what happened if you take about 5 grams of nitrocellusoses and fire it closely enough confined that a deflagration to detonation transition happe
I love the second photo... (Score:2, Funny)
Yeah, right (Score:5, Funny)
(who needs to RTFA when misreading the article subject is more fun?)
Re:Yeah, right (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, right (Score:2)
Re:Yeah, right (Score:3, Funny)
Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
Big Pipe... (Score:4, Interesting)
Reminds me of a story one of my friends told me. Around where I live they have a few of those old cannons, that have been sealed up, I assumed so people didn't put garbage in them.
Anyway this guy when he was a teen found some gunpowder (this was before the cannons were sealed), put it down the cannon, and put a hunk of metal on it... the result was the metal flew through a [empty] train-car! Hmm...
Re:Big Pipe... (Score:2, Informative)
You need a hefty pipe that has been welded shut on one end and a hefty dose of insanity. Barrel-testing is an intricate form of engineering and if that thing were to fragment the shrapnel would sever your torso as if it were paper.
Re:Big Pipe... (Score:3, Interesting)
A friend and I played around with a 1" diameter cannon a couple of years ago. He's a shipwright and pipe welder by trade. He built and welded the thing, and despite being very comfortable welding pipe for high pressure applications.. this still made him nervous, even though it was built using 3/4" wall pipe, and a 2" thick butt plate.
We mostly stopped using it after a kid blew his hand off with a similar device a few miles away on the 4th of j
Ah technological advancements... (Score:3, Funny)
bf1942 (Score:3, Funny)
"Hey!!! Stop base-camping you bastard!"
*THWUMP* *whistle*
"Heh...doubt he'll respawn after that one."
Dept of Homeland Security (Score:4, Funny)
The fine folks from the Dept. of Homeland Security and various other government agencies will be breaking down your door in about 2.4 minutes for posting this information. Enjoy life as an "enemy combatent".
"I, for one, welcome our new Insect Overlords." - Kent Brockman
Arrr!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Arrr!!! (Score:5, Funny)
But then, playing with toys like these, that problem will be solved in a not-so-distant future...
Wow... (Score:5, Informative)
I'd still be pretty spooked about flying metal shards here, though. I've seen the aftermath of firing tubes that have ruptured, and you really can't imagine how steel can twist and rip like paper until you've seen it. There was a REASON we buried those tubes....
Infernal device (Score:2)
It's also an arrest waiting to happen, assuming you survived. At least in my state, that cannon would qualify not only as an explosive device and (probably) a firearm, but an "infernal device"(as are catapults, 'weapons of mass destruction').
Re:Infernal device (Score:4, Interesting)
Second off, Doc specializes in wierd and wonderful stuff like this. I'm sure he gave it a once over before being anywhere near it when it went off. Doc Nickel is a pretty bright guy, and works around high-pressure devices all the time (He's one of the top airsmiths in Paintball, and somewhat legendary for his hacks).
Re:Infernal device (Score:2)
Next paint ball game I play in Alaska I'll be watching for the mortared paint buckets!
Re:Infernal device (Score:2)
Paint Mortars are old hat. Pretty much always done as a 'Chicken-Cannon' type job though
What? No gratuitous damage shots?!? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What? No gratuitous damage shots?!? (Score:2)
Reminds me of powerlabs cannon (Score:5, Interesting)
But still neither are quite as cool as this Trebuchet [geocities.com] from the which launched a piano and a cow [geocities.com].
Re:Reminds me of powerlabs cannon (Score:2)
Re:Reminds me of powerlabs cannon (Score:3, Informative)
Don't worry.
Here [fitz-claridge.com] is high bandwith mirror.
And that cow-shot is really bad-taste but funny as hell.
anyone who uses units like this is a know nothing (Score:2)
Who uses units like that?
"Yes, I'd like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?"
Re:anyone who uses units like this is a know nothi (Score:4, Funny)
Oh sure. Weeks of people complaining that "bowling balls" isn't a unit of measurement, and now. .
You just can't make some people happy.
KFG
Re:anyone who uses units like this is a know nothi (Score:5, Informative)
Anyone who deals with firearms and reloading.
It's Better to Post Nothing.. (Score:2, Informative)
Than to Post and remove all doubt!
Check out dillonprecision.com
Or
reloadammo.com
Try a google on reloading... Try educating yourself , But Wait, this is
Don't Try This At Home (Score:4, Informative)
Why not just upgrade to a nuke? (Score:2)
Just great... (Score:3, Insightful)
gives a new meaning to... (Score:2)
I Love it. (Score:2, Interesting)
Cannons and Mortars are legal to own. My Brother in Law owns a cannon they use at civil war re-enactments so who ever posted that the BATF will get you is full of it. At charge of 3 oz Pyrodex a shot this is not cheap to fire but this is not a toy even though it's used like one. Last time I bought FFFG Pyrodex it was aprox $14.00 for 16 ounces. That was a while back. ( I have several black powder fire
5 pounder (Score:4, Funny)
.357 (Score:2)
Firing a
Re:5 pounder (Score:3, Funny)
Ahh, yes, Eau de Loaded Shorts
Okay now, here's the deal... (Score:2)
This was a great link (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, I am reminded of a story I read a while ago. Some curators (Art Institute of Chicago or The Smithsonian or someplace like that) were examining an antique gun and found out it was loaded, and had been on display for decades with a full charge. The gunpowder charge was so old, they feared it was unstable and could detonate at any moment, so they decided to investigate all their other weapons. They found out that about 20% of their collection was fully loaded and nobody ever knew about it. They're desperately trying to defuse all these old weapons, which includes everything from relatively modern antique guns to old cannons. And they can't just pour water down the barrels because some of them have bullets in the way, some of the weapons would disintegrate if you got them wet, so they're in a real quandary. Now I wonder about the safety of all those cannons on public display in parks etc.
Re:This was a great link (Score:4, Informative)
Bowling Ball Loft (Score:2, Informative)
Hope you know people at the BATF (Score:2)
Some cops might be lenient on the ol spud shooters, but this thing could deliver serious destructive power if it had a mind to
Re:What part of (Score:2)
Both right and responsibility... (Score:2, Insightful)
Actually, it is both. It is both a right and a responsibility to own and maintain arms against invaders (and possibly a hostile/corrupt government).
The only question is - too what limit? If I bought a SAM battery and stuck it on my front lawn and started targeting sheriff/coasty copters flying overhead I bet I would be locked up pretty quick. Maybe the same thing should happen to those who own assault rifles to go 'spo
My potato gun... (Score:3, Informative)
A few years back, I built myself a potato gun. A 3-inch calibre potato gun. The "King Edward Howitzer" (as I liked to call it) was constructed from various pieces of PVC drainage piping. A short length of large (8" dia) bossed pipe connector was closed off at one end with a screwable inspection cap, and at the other end with a diameter reducer, going into a 4-foot length of 3" dia piping (the barrel). The bossed pipe connector served as a combustion chamber; to permit firing, a small hole was drilled in the side of the chamber.
Operation procedure was as follows:
It made a hell of a whoop when it fired, and from time/distance measurements, we estimated a muzzle velocity of well over 100 mph.
Re:My potato gun... (Score:2)
There is no gaurantee that a pvc pipe won't blow up under those conditions.
It would be much safer to devise a remote detonation scheme.
MM
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Re:My potato gun... (Score:2)
There is no gaurantee that a pvc pipe won't blow up under those conditions.
Ah, but that's what made it really exciting!
On a much smaller scale.... (Score:2)
A few years back.. (Score:2)
Remember the guy that shattered spinning CDs? (Score:2)
hehe (Score:2)
what is it with october and insane cannons?
yawn (Score:2)
Reminds me of UCF's reflection pond competitions (Score:2)
One group decided to
Re:Reminds me of UCF's reflection pond competition (Score:2)
"Last year students set the Reflecting Pond afire and accidentally launched a potato at the Library. That brings a ban on pyrotechnics this year. However, Eaglin expects the competition to be action-packed and full of surprises. "These are engineers. They come up with all sorts of things," he concludes."
http://www.news.ucf.edu/FY2001-02/020415a.html
Physics time... (Score:2, Informative)
If you assume a flat field (from the pictures it isn't that bad of an assumption) and that they fired at 45 degrees, the vertial velocity would have been equal to the horizonal velocity:
Vh = Vv = V / sqrt(2)
The horizantal distance is about 600yards or 550m (according to google) so the horizontal motion is constant and described by:
D = Vv*t = 550
The vertical motion is described by:
y = Vv * t - 1/2 * g * t^2
Use Tennis Balls Instead.. (Score:3, Informative)
Back in the day when he played war-games, we would build 'mortars' or cannons with just the following items.. Soup cans, duct tape, lighter fluid, and tennis balls. It was a ton of fun to blast tennis balls at each other. It didn't hurt (too bad)
Tennis balls fits in the can perfectly, and rests in the next to last can, pour some lighter fluid in the last can in the small opening that u made and set it off with a match.
My description is pretty horrible, i know.. well, I said not to try it at home anyway.
Jeeesus Freekin Christ! (Score:3, Insightful)
Im not sure which is most irresponsible. Making the thing, doing a website about the thing, or publicising the thing as being "cool".
Re:BOOM! (Score:5, Funny)
Close But No Cigar (Score:4, Funny)
"Damn, that looks like a weapon of mas destruction" muttered GW Bush "We'll take it"
Re:WMD (Score:2)
Na! (Score:2)
As far as terrorists using this, WHY, they typically have access to the Classified US Army hardware already. It's just like "gun control" For a matter of fact, pret
Re:Stop it you're helping the terrorists (Score:3, Insightful)
First off, quit being a chicken-shit. Terrorists are not the ones you should be worrying about at this point. The Federal government is currently detroying the American way of life 10 times faster than every terrorist in the world could even dream of. Besides, depending on how you look at the situation, a terrorist could be considered a freedom fighter. Consider the American Revolution. The Colonists wanted freedom from the world's est
Re:Slashdot spams itself... AGAIN. (Score:2)
Re:Slashdot spams itself... AGAIN. (Score:2)
Re:You have been reported. (Score:2)
FYI: That's Doc's main website that the mortar is fixed on.