For Champagne Bubbles, Smaller Is Better 266
Roland Piquepaille writes "During this holiday season you don't need a special occasion to drink champagne. You can do it everyday, providing you use moderation and common sense. But did you know that champagne taste better when it has tiny bubbles? This is the result of a very serious study published by the American Chemical Society (ACS) and more recently found by the Discovery Channel. And why do you think champagne taste better when carrying smaller bubbles? The answer is pretty obvious. More bubbles are releasing the champagne's flavor and aroma into your mouth. This summary gives you more details. In the mean time, let's all drink champagne!"
huh (Score:4, Interesting)
Let's all drink champagne ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let's all drink champagne ? (Score:2, Informative)
As an aside; why, exactly, is this news? It's been common (if specialist) knowledge for over a hundred years that small bubbles implies good champagne (although this is not universal, it's a fairly good indicator).
Re:Let's all drink champagne ? (Score:2)
Clearly all of these champagne dealers [google.com] have got it wrong and you alone have it right.
Some wine even comes in boxes!
While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma, (Score:4, Funny)
Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma (Score:5, Informative)
Methanol, by the way, becomes toxic when metabolized by alcohol dehydrogenase. A perfectly valid first aid measure for methanol ingestion is to feed the victim vodka. The ethanol keeps the enzyme busy until the methanol can be excreted unchanged. This *may* be why "hair of the dog" helps, though it could jus be general numbing.
Hangovers seem to be a blend of several problems including dehydration.
Re:While you're enjoying the bubbles and the aroma (Score:2)
Hangovers... (Score:4, Informative)
Actually... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Actually... (Score:2, Funny)
Ribbed for her pleasure... Ewwww (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Actually... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
the "best brands" that fall under such protectionism tend to be french--dijon mustard, champagne, etc. but, there's no shortage of ways in which such legistlation is aimed at reducing europe back into a place of protected guilds - stilton cheese, port (oporto), etc.
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
and americans love to laugh at europeans (EU) with their stupid and blatantly anticompetitive "named origin" rules that tolerate such bullshit.
That's not anti-competetive and stupid... the names have been built up through hard work during a long time. It's not a company, like Coca-Cola, but an area, and it should still apply.
People elsewhere aren't forbidden to use those methods, but I'm perfectly fine with Kraft not being able to call its cheese with sawdust (cellulose) for Parmesan.
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
the thing with these stupid and anticompetitive named origin rules is that in general they stifle competition by preventing the SAME products from different r
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
the thing with these stupid and anticompetitive named origin rules is that in general they stifle competition by preventing the SAME products from different regions from competing against each other. No, they don't. You'll just have to call your sparkling wine something else than champagne, and your processed milk w/cellulose something else than parmesan, and it's fine. The same way you can't call something 'Coca-Cola' on a whim either.
if competitor from a different region's cannot be differentiate
Re:Actually... (Score:4, Interesting)
You mean as opposed to Americans who take out a patent a variety of rice and then register the trademark 'Basmati', even though this particular rice has been traditionally associated with a strain that grows in the Himalayas for the last few hundred years?
The reality is that there's nothing protectionist about it. You're absolutely free to sell as much of your 'American Cheese' in Europe as you like (bwahahahahah.) You just can't call it Camenbert. This strategy has the advantage of providing consumers with an accurate description of the goods being sold. The alternative lays the way open to any attempt to rip off both producers and consumers by fraudulent and deceptive practices -- and still seeks protectionism for your inferior products -- as in the case of your BasNasty rice.
However, I do understand that large numbers of Americans think that consumers shouldn't have any protection from rapacious and deceptive trade practices -- which is probably why so much spam originates from your shores.
Re:Actually... (Score:2, Insightful)
It's utter nonsense. The terms for cheese and the like are descriptive of the kind of cheese and its flavor. Are all Parmesean, Muenster, Feta, etc. cheeses that come from Wisconsin to be labelled "American Cheese" or "Wisconsin Cheese?" How would you tell them apart? Better yet, under Europe's naming regime, should every single country that makes Parmesean cheese be
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Nor more stupid then americans saying *english muffins*.
Re:Actually... (Score:2, Funny)
Don't you mean "Freedom Champagne"?
Re:Actually... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Actually... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Actually... (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, it's "Bologna", and that's in Italy, not Germany.
If it's not from Balogna (Score:2)
If it's not German, then it's what we call phony baloney.
(Thank you, thank you. Tip your waitresses, I'll be here all night...)
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Two words - sports team (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Actually... (Score:4, Interesting)
In Italy, sparkling wine is called asti spumanti. In Germany you can get a local Sekt. South Africa has cape classic. I'm not too crazy about any of these, but chacun a son gout.
Re:Actually... (Score:5, Interesting)
If you've lived in Spain, or travelled there extensively, you will find that the most Spaniards refer to cava as 'champn' and I have never seen anybody get 'cold and unfriendly'. In Catalua and parts of Valencia is where 'cava' is produced, by legal agreement and some of these are excellent and rival the best French champagnes. Two that stand out are 'Torre Oria' and 'Juve y Camps'. The popular Freixenet, which is sold in the States is quite good, but doesn't really match these that I mentioned.
Juve y Camps (Score:2)
I've travelled a bit in Spain, but I don't speak Spanish (I make do with French, more effective than English), so I'm not really sure what Spaniards really call their cava. I've ordered "cava sorbet" and bottles of cava from menus, but I've never seen or heard "champn" (or similar) as far as I can remember.
Re:Juve y Camps (Score:2)
I had some Juve y Camps on Christmas eve and it was excellent. I also tried 'Dominio de la Vega' from Valencia, but this is probably not available outside Spain. If you take another trip, you could look for some. It's also excellent. It must have small bubbles :)
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
on that note there are other french sparkling wines, too, besides champagne. I don't claim to know much about wine, but it really is a shame that here in the US it's largely marketed as an "elite" drink rather than an everyday accompaniment to food. Being able to get a passable bottle for $3 in Italy i
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Bristol is an English port that was the place of entry for many of the imported wines. Hence lots of wine merchants set up shop there.
Harveys was one such wine merchant. Established over 150 years ago, they began to blend some wines to achieve a greater degree of consistency in their product. Harveys Bristol Creme is the name they gave to one such blend made of fortified wines from Jerez (Sherry.)
Re:Actually... (Score:5, Informative)
A votre Sante!
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Cheap diamonds [wired.com]. Check.
Cheap wedding [vegas.com]. Check.
Now all I need is a cheap bride.
Re:Actually... (Score:5, Informative)
The other sparkling wines are "Naturally fermented/carbonated in a bottle" or "Bottle fermented", which means that a large vessel and generally means large bubbles or suffer various other indignities to the way that God intended it to be made, as given to the good Dom. And then there's just plain old carbonated, like soda.
The thing is, to do the Methode Champenoise takes extra time, care, and money, so only people who are serious about making good stuff bother to do it -- although if the Methode Champenoise becomes a snob point, I'm sure the cheap houses will make some wretched Methode Champenoise sparklers themselves.
But I've never seen an Methode Champenoise wine that didn't, at the very least, have lots of tiny bubbles.
Re:Actually... (Score:5, Informative)
This happened around the time Rambus was trying to litigate the rest of the world into submission instead of producing a better product & letting the market decide. Draw your own conclusions, but this was when I stopped buying champagne.
Another thing that turned me off champagne is that 90% of the champagne that is produced is what is called a "Vin d'Assemblage" or fabricated wine. Most wines are the product of a single year & region. This is why you can see both the origin (AOC again) & the year on the bottle. However, this is not usually the case for champagnes. Just before the wine is ready for the secondary fermentation it is tasted. To eliminate the differences in taste from year to year, wine fom different years (& often sugar) is added so that the champagne will have a predictable taste.
So, unless it is an exceptional year, wine from champagne does not have a date on the bottle. As they are fabricated wines, they age badly & must be dunken young.
Champagnes that DO have a date (Called Milesime in french) ARE exceptional. Unforunately they also sport a price tag to match. You can leave these bottles in a wine cellar & they get better & better -- to a point as really old champagnes loose their C02.
There are a lot of really excellent sparkling wines out there that are cheaper than most champagnes. My personal favorite is the Vouvray Petillant from the Loire valley region in France. These are not fabricated wines, so some years are better than others, but in 1990 I put a case of 12 bottles away to be opened on new years eve 2001. There were other "champagnes" served that night, including some very expensive bottles but none was as fine as the Vouvrays & the case of 12 was cheaper than a single bottle of the good "Real Champagne".
sometimes sugar? (Score:2)
Re:sometimes sugar? (Score:2)
Re:Actually... (Score:3, Funny)
Says who? The French who live in Champagne, France? What if I live in Champagne, Texas? What i I just wan to call my motor oil Champagne for the hell of it? Kleenex is "tissue" even if it's made by Puffs.
Re:Actually... (Score:3, Informative)
Exactly. The French have a law for what they call appellation d'origine controlee [yahoo.com]. It basically says that Champagne can only be called Champagne if it's made in Champagne, Brie in Brie and Tripoux d'Auvergne (you don't even wanna know what that is) in, you guessed it, Auvergne.
Of course, these laws don't mean anything outside of France (or perhaps they do now in the EU, but I don't know about that).
Trademarks and History (Score:2)
This is like trademarks we have today.
Kleenex is a trademark, only Kimberly Clark can call their product Kleenex.
Only Champagne produced sparkling white wine should be called Champagne.
Coke and cola, Skidoo and snowmobile, liquid paper and correction fluid, Post it Notes and whatever they actually are the list goes on.
It isn't like it is some huge leap of logic, just because the name of something has become so common that peop
Re:Trademarks and History (Score:2)
Dumb dumb dumb
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Nitpicking... (Score:2, Informative)
Some countries, e.g. Germany, still have laws prohibiting the use of the term champagne (same thing applies to "cognac", cf. Article 275 of the Treaty of Versailles [yale.edu]).
Nowadays, that's hardly more than a weird relict though - think about it: it's not really Kleenex unless its made by Kimberly-Clark. If it's generic it's a just facial tissue product. Same thing...
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Unless of course your country was in the midst of prohibition and didn't sign the treaty with France agreeing not to call their sparkling wines Champagne [cnn.com]. So rejoice fellow Americans you can call sparkling wines in America Champagne! I realize, of course, that's like calling Budweiser or Miller beer. But hey it's America, and it can get you stinking drunk much cheaper.
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Similarly, American Bordeaux is almost always bad, whereas if they call it something else and then quietly say that it's made in the Bordeaux style, it'll be more likely to be good.
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Funnily enough, Miller refers to their "High Life" beer as "the Champagne of beers".
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
France added an amendment to the treaty of Versailles that ended WW1 that forced every country that signed it to acknowledge only champagne that comes from the champagne region in France may be called champagne.
However, I've got a bone to pick with the CNN article.
Wines from Champagne may have been known from roman times, but not the sparkling wines we have come to know as "Champagne". C
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Cuvee (slashdot won't accept the accent) if you want a fancy sounding name.
Re:Actually... (Score:2, Informative)
Which is why any Frenchman laughing at the cultural idiocy of an American could be legitimately laughed right back at for th
Well, I respect other views, but... (Score:5, Insightful)
Or, while we're at it, that "French" toast was invented by a Mr. French of Albany NY.
Humans. Pfffftt.
Re:Well, I respect other views, but... (Score:3, Informative)
(According to the official French war history)
French casualties at Verdun: ~340,000
French fatalities at Verdun: ~165,000
US casualties during Civil War: ~1,147,000
US fatalities during Civil War: ~670,000
Estimates vary widely for both Verdun losses and Civil War losses but even the highest estimates for French losses at Ve
Burning bread and letting it get cold ... (Score:2, Funny)
Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn't (Score:5, Informative)
And these days, Champagne is for people who want to look exclusive and upper class, when truth be told, actually they're tosspots ;) Red wine or real ale anyday...
I'm not sure if you're trolling or what but here goes. Champagne is somewhat unique in that it is a fantastic accompanyment to almost any type of food. It goes well with appetizers, the main course, or dessert. You can have it with dinner, at a party, or even for breakfast. There really isn't any other kind of wine that is as versitile as champagne. You mention red wine in your post. There are great reds, to be sure, but if you are going to be eating a delicate whitefish, you would probably not want to be serving a Cabernet Sauvignon with that since the wine will easily overpower the food. In fact just the other day I caught From Russia With Love and Bond realizes that the chap who is dining with him is not an agent but is an assassin instead because he's inexperienced enough to order a red Chianti with fish. That pairing just doesn't go very well. You want to select a beverage that will enhance and compliment the food, not overpower it.
Champagne is well suited for this purpose because of the bubbles. The 'fizz', if you want to call it that, help cleanse the palatte between mouthfuls so that you can get the full taste sensation from the 20th bite as you did with the 1st. You can also achieve this effect by using a toothbrush during a meal and cleansing your tongue that way (try it when you're alone some time!) but that looks rather silly. I'm not at all surprised that smaller bubbles are better (in fact, I thought that was common knowledge) because smaller bubbles means you can get more contact surface area (more bubbles) on the tongue and that should increase the cleansing effect.
Of course, there are different types of champagne (differing levels of sweetness) but for the most part you really can't go wrong with champagne. It goes with everything. Something that most certainly cannot be said of red wine or ale.
GMD
Well said (Score:2)
Bond: I would have picked a 1959 Chianti.
Waiter: I'm afraid our cellar is rather understocked at the moment.
Bond: This is a 1959 Chianti.
Re:Well said (Score:2)
Re:Well said (Score:2)
Search for "claret"
h00pla is right, you are wrong. HAND.
Re:Chamagne goes with everything -- red wine doesn (Score:5, Informative)
You got it backwards (Score:2)
If only (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:If only (Score:5, Informative)
If you want fizzy wine to be 'a bit different' to get drunk on choose any cheap plonk (Cava fits the bill well and is also tasty), if you want a decent champagne you can get this for ~USD35 at a specialist wine shop or specialist (staffed by those who are passionate about wince, rather than in-between semesters or on remand) wine section of a shopping mall. Non-champagne sparkling wines are also improving in quality (And sometimes are excellent), but don't expect anything too cheap, if it is cheap it'll get you drunk but won't be the amazing experience good champagne can be.
Don't follow the big names either. For example Bollinger only starts getting good well past USD70/bottle, a lower priced bottle can be just as good at much less cost.
Re:If only (Score:5, Funny)
Re:If only (Score:2)
I take it you're not a fan of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," then.
Re:If only (Score:2)
I hate it when the higher priced ones are at much less cost. That confuses me
Re:If only (Score:2, Insightful)
Fortunately there are plenty of cheap alternatives to the over-priced (but excellent) authentic stuff. I like the Hungarian Torley (dry, of course). Almost as good as the low-end 20-25 euro champagnes for a fraction of the price.
Would be nice to have a really good excuse for buying a bottle of Dom Perignon, though
champagne bubbles (Score:5, Informative)
Size does count. (Score:5, Funny)
This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.
Cheers. =)
Re:Size does count. (Score:5, Funny)
This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.
You've never been hit by a car.
Re:Size does count. (Score:2)
This is quite possibly the only instance I can think of where this is true.
You've never been hit by a car.
Or a PDA
No thanks (Score:5, Funny)
Re:No thanks (Score:2)
Also, people shouldn't drink when coding. I ran across this gem while trying to get something to compile last night:
int function(int, int, int *, int);
err = function(1, 2, 3, 4);
Now that's a bit paraphrased (to protect the innocent), but come on! That 3 in there ruined the whole program. (Compiler warning? Ahh fuck it. Ship!)
Another link (Score:2, Informative)
Finally Stuff That Matters! (Score:3, Funny)
Maybe we need a section for martini recipes.... the original open-source?
How about the pros and cons of RFID tags on Bordeaux bottles?
"warez" for basement absinthe makers?
So Don Ho got it right? (Score:2)
Re:So Don Ho got it right? (Score:2)
Now we are onto NEWS over 20 years old (Score:4, Insightful)
Talk about scraping the bottom of the old wine barrel looking for a story eh?
moderation (Score:2, Funny)
I moderate this bubble as being overrated.
(Much like this post)
Re:moderation (Score:2)
Should I be scared that I know exactly what you're referring to? I found it odd that he doesn't sell them on his website, since we need those particular safety glasses.
beer (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:beer (Score:3, Informative)
An interesting aside... (Score:5, Interesting)
That's why Champagne bottles have that large foil top - historically, it was used to cover up the fact that you were being short-changed. Now that we have standards and things, these days, they fill the gap with a similar blend before it's corked.
Who knows why they didn't do that before...
I thought everybody knew this! (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, be sure to always drink from leaded crystal, which has the right sort of pore structure to support continuous beads of tiny bubbles (given a good wine sample - Korbel ain't never gonna taste good).
Re:I thought everybody knew this! (Score:2)
Their best stuff that Korbel makes is the stuff that's not sold all over the place for standard "American" tastes. In fact, the best stuff that comes out of California and is, at the same time, economical, isn't given wide distribution. They can't change Korbel Brut too much for the same reason why Coke failed at New Coke, which tasted "better" but wasn't what people were used to.
Re:I thought everybody knew this! (Score:3, Funny)
I usually only drink Champagne that comes out of a box or a bottle with a screw on cap. Is the stuff made by this Don guy any better?
What a "discovery" (Score:2, Funny)
No! Champagne must be aged under a pyramid! (Score:4, Interesting)
"The site was carefully chosen. First a check of interfering energies was exhausted (i.e. underground streams, electric current exposure, gas line interference, etc.). Then the earth under the pyramid was compacted to 100%. Then a surveyor lined up the square base to coincide with exact True North as it is here in Kelowna. The area was then checked by an astronomer who lines up the foundation to the North Star precisely. It is interesting to note that much excitement took place when we aligned the site because the astronomer's news that almost to the day, 1997 was "the year of the Great Pyramid"."
"The pyramid effectiveness may also be explained using Einstein's concept of Tachyons and Tardyons. Tachyons are particles of invisible energy that move faster than the speed of light (that means it is faster than 186,282 miles per second). Tardyons behave in the opposite way, moving below or at the speed of light. This brings about the theory of negative space-time. [Negative space-time is 180 degrees from positive space-time. In positive space-time living organisms change from life to deterioration. In negative space-time, life moves from deterioration to rejuvenation. It is said that the pyramid serves as the interface between positive and negative space-time."
Scoff if you wish, but they make some very, very fine wine.
I wonder... (Score:2)
Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin (Score:2)
The taste was incredible. I always thought that French champagne had to be an overblown snob legend. It isn't. It really transports you taste wise. I had it with celebratory popcorn being a peasant n' all.
Re:Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin (Score:2, Interesting)
Firstly, Veuve Clicquot are an excellent producer. Secondly, you got one of the finest years in a very long time. If memory serves me well, there hasn't been a better year since.
I personally had a 1990 Lanson and it was brilliant.
Don't expect the non-vintage stuff to be a patch on what you had, btw. Personally, I drink cheap fizz from Spain or regional France instead of NV champagne.
my tastes are a bit different. (Score:2)
a six-buck bottle of ballatore is fine for me. usually i mix it with orange juice (mimosa) or peach nectar (bellini) anyway.
"Smell" over "Taste" (Score:2)
Biologically speaking, although our sense of smell pales in comparison to many other mammals, our olfactory capability (in our nose) is still superior to our "tasting" capability (taste buds on our tongue).
This is the main reason why some wine drinkers swirl/gurgle their wine in their mouth when tasting. The swirl/gurgle allows the aroma to develop in the mouth cavi
Scientists crack champagne bubble size problem (Score:2)
GREAT Timing!!!!! (Score:4, Funny)
THANKS for the timely advice! I'll keep that piece of useless information firmly stored in my head for another 360-ish!!
Causes of bubble size (Score:2, Interesting)
Good science? (Score:5, Interesting)
From what I gather, they took a number of sparkling wines that were rated of different qualities and then tried to determine the difference. Given this methodology, its not at all surprising that they found that the size of the bubbles was the differentiator since I was under the impression it was already well known that smaller bubbles was better.
If the wine tasting community already believed that smaller bubbles were better and that influenced their ranking, then it shouldn't be too surprising that the study turned up a correlation.
Perhaps I'm not giving the study enough credit -- because Discovery doesn't go into that level of detail... but I hope that they used some sort of blind taste test w/ people other than trained wine tasters to establish the ranking system for the different champagnes that they tested...
1..2...3... profit (Score:2)
2. Sell them in the holidays
3. Profit!
Practical? (Score:2)
Oh well, if I get to a restaurant and get a glass with big bubbles I will send it back. Waiter, could I get another glass? The bubbles are too big.
Sheesh.
Re:Its spelt Shampain! (Score:3, Informative)
Wine = a word.
Champagne = a proper name. (i.e. "California roll")
Re:I`m on a Different Wavelength ... (Score:2)