



Sci Fi Channel Plans 'Earthsea' Miniseries 308
Gumpy writes "The Sci-Fi Channel has started producing a TV miniseries based on the first two books of Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea series. The Earthsea miniseries is supposed to start on the Sci Fi Channel in December 2004."
DragonLance (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:DragonLance (Score:5, Insightful)
Almost... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
And let's get one thing straight: "Magic Kingdom for Sale/Sold" is escapist. The "Narnia" series is escapist. "Dragon Lance" is an epic that develops multiple plot lines that can be read in any order based on what books you read after the first 3 (Chronicles). Name one other serial novel with that feature.
I'm glad they're picking the "classics" rather than the books and characters I enjoyed. After they pushed out a stillborn and half-fini
Re:DragonLance (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
Narnia: kids walk through a wardrobe into a fantasy land.
MKFS/S: guy follows up on a classified ad and becomes the king of a fantasy land.
Dragonlance has no such infantile segue from reality to fantisy. What criteria do you use to categorize a book/series as escapist?
Re:DragonLance (Score:5, Informative)
The Chronicles of Narnia are children's literature but they are most definitely literature. They address and examine a number of moral and ethical issues. Their purpose is to teach children WHILE they entertain, not just to while away some time.
Re:DragonLance (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you Jerwish or of some other very non-christian background?
The only person I ever knew who had read the narnia books and didn't notice what they were was a Jewish friend. He liked them. Other people either like what they are doing or are able to set it aside.
They make my skin crawl, but they are definitely not just ``kids walk into a wardrobe...''.
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
maybe I'm mistaking what you mean here, but
Read in any order (though perhaps its a good idea to read the earliest half before the later half), each is stand-alone, but all build on the central universe definition - even taking the same events and portraying them from opposing viewpoints. Highly r
Re:DragonLance (Score:3, Insightful)
What a bizarre non-sequitur.
Earthsea is widely regarded as a classic, and not just within the genre. Dragonlance is somebody's D&D campaign written up with pedestrian prose, shallow characterisation and a corny plot.
Though I admit Ged doesn't roll nearly as many natural 20s as whoever those PCs were.
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
I'd agree, though, but for different reasons than the grandposter. I'd have to add "... because I'd rather see them take something that's not so much of a challenge to adapt, rather than ruin something I value more."
Re:DragonLance (Score:2, Insightful)
Just replace dragonlance with belgariad, I enjoyed these books as a teen only to reread them and realize that what I once thought was fantastic foreshadowing, was more along the lines of a plot summary, and the characters were written to be oblivious to it. Its as if the prophacy were as follows
A grea
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
Re:DragonLance (Score:3, Insightful)
The big problem I had with the books is that not only are the characters stock characters, but the world they lives in demand that they be that way. Any person born in *that* country must act like this. Sure, it made sense within the book that the people would be affected by their patron god and take after him in personality, but it made the characters that much flatter. Not only are they stock, but they can never grow beyond it because they
Re:DragonLance (Score:3, Insightful)
I tried re-reading the Belgariad just recently, nearly twenty years after I initially read it.
I loved it when I was a pre-teen; now it just gets up my nose. All the twee repartee, the fantasy cliches piled on top of each other, the utter lack of anything approaching suspense in the plot... taken all together, the books are just unbearable.
Re:DragonLance (Score:2)
Another series I'd love to see would be Patricia McKillip's "Riddlemaster of Hed" series. I think the plot would lend itself quite well to film.
Another series of a quite different sort that would make an excellent film or series is
Nice synopsis for Earthsea Trilogy newbies (Score:5, Informative)
And a recent interview (Score:5, Informative)
Re:And a recent interview (Score:5, Interesting)
Appropriate indeed. I always wondered why "Friends" left me feeling "unclean". Now I know it was the living dead laugh-track.
Or David Schwimmer's acting abilities....
Re:Nice synopsis for Earthsea Trilogy newbies (Score:2)
Re:Five? (Score:2, Informative)
I've read four, unless something came after Tehanu.
Yes, The Other Wind, which IIRC ties in to both Tehanu and The Farthest Shore.
There was also a collection of short stories called Tales from Earthsea, which is sitting on my shelf, but I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Re:Five? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Nice synopsis for Earthsea Trilogy newbies (Score:3, Insightful)
Lordy! What a bucket of absolute toss.
Re:Nice synopsis for Earthsea Trilogy newbies (Score:2, Informative)
In fact, I would recommend people not to read those summaries, because they give completely the wrong impression.
What about Riverworld?!? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What about Riverworld?!? (Score:2)
Re:What about Riverworld?!? (Score:2)
This gives me hope for a "word of tiers" series!
Re:What about Riverworld?!? (Score:2, Interesting)
As for the Hecules / Xena: WP -> Riverworld reference, I can sort of see that. Kevin Smith (the one that played Aries on Hercules and Xena, not the cool one) was playing a warlord in much the same way he acted on both Olympian shows. The "bad guys" also sort of looked like a batallion from Hercules or Xena: WP.
But in my opinion, that's where it ended. Like I said, I've never read the books, but it appeared to be pretty good. It
Woah... How was "The Lathe of Heaven"...? (Score:3, Interesting)
The original was better (Score:3, Informative)
I liked it! (Score:2)
YMMV.
Don't think I would buy the DVD, but it was worth the $5.00 rental, IMHO.
Wonderful title, that, too.
Horrid (Score:2)
Re:Woah... How was "The Lathe of Heaven"...? (Score:2, Informative)
Prepare for disappointment (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:3, Interesting)
The first one, especially, is a kind of Once and Future King with a touch of Harry Potter (though of course it predates H.P.). I'm thinking about the old wizard tutoring Ged a la Merlin, before sending him off to wizard school.
The whole way to make this successful would be to concentrate on character and philosophy. These were the most enjoyable parts of the book, as I recall.
I still remember being fascinated with the idea that Ge
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:5, Insightful)
I find Ursula LeGuin's books utterly painful, the most boring things this side of, well, Robert Heinlein. Even Left Hand of Darkness, pretty much a consensus all-time top ten, bored the hell out of me.
(As an aside, where's Connie Willis' rabid fan base? Her books range from excellent to mindblowing, but I've never heard people fawn over her like they do LeGuin or the other tedious female sci-fi authors. Is a general warmth towards tradition and religion too politically incorrect to be assigned in those classes that are always pushing LeGuin? It's not like she's Margaret Thatcher.)
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:5, Interesting)
You should be aware that Ursula LeGuin has an evil twin, Skippy. Quite a lot of her books were in fact written by Skippy.
For example: the original Earthsea trilogy was written by Ursula LeGuin, and is wonderful. Tehanu, on the other hand, was written by Skippy.
Likewise, The Eye of the Heron is by Skippy, The Lathe of Heaven is by Ursula. The Dispossessed and The Left Hand of Darkness are collaborations, however.
Basically, while Skippy is not necessarily a bad writer, she's so concerned about pushing her message that the plot suffers immensely. Tehanu just doesn't fit in Earthsea: but instead of designing a new world were the message could fit comfortably, Earthsea got twisted until the message could be wedged in somehow. In my opinion I think the book's terrible. (The huge deus ex machina at the end is just clumsy, too.)
But when Ursula manages to keep Skippy under control, she can be fabulous. You didn't like The Left Hand of Darkness, but I love it. There's a message, but it fits so beautifully...
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:2, Insightful)
I didn't particularly like Tehanu either, but I don't think her "message" did the book in - I think it was just that my memories of the original Earthsea trilogy come from my childhood, and Tehanu took a point of view that tended to stomp those rather naive memories into the ground.
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:2, Insightful)
I was disappointed with it initially too, it's a jarring change in tone from the original trilogy. It went down better on a re-read, and with the last two books in place, it fits pretty well (even the deus ex machina at the end of Tehanu makes sense at the end of the The Other Wind).
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:2)
On a similar vein: the 'Toten Hosen' - a German punk band who sold zillions in the 90's were previously rejected by CBS (?) because they could not imagine that there would ever be a market for that kind of noise. There was.
Connie Willis? Sorry, I have never heard of her.
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:2)
Are you trolling with the religion crack? I am confused by it.
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:2)
The books make me think about much different things each time I read them. They are definitely focused on character development and have a lot worthy of critical literary praise.
Read them before you see this miniseries.
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:2)
For the record, I think the fascist theme was a subtle parody.
Re:Prepare for disappointment (Score:3, Insightful)
In the Earthsea books, Le Guin really captures the wonder of magic and the danger it's use carries. Another set of books that really explore the whole consequences of power is Phillip Pullman's Dark Materials [amazon.com] trilogy. Would like to see a big screen version of those books.
I hope th
Rehash (Score:2, Funny)
Never really clicked for me (Score:3, Interesting)
Not sure why. I like the Lathe of Heaven and think The Ones Who Walk Away from Oomlas is one of the best short stories ever written. If I had cable, I'd probably watch it out of curiosity. But since I don't ... oh well.
Re:Never really clicked for me (Score:4, Insightful)
That's rather the problem for a visual adaptation. They aren't really plot driven. The plot is just an excuse to watch the characters grow. The first three are little studies of three aspects of becoming adult (responsibility, identity, mortality).
The fourth never spoke to me, and I haven't yet read the fourth.
I can't imagine them manageing to recreate that when the temptation to jump at magic battles with dragons is there.
Re:Never really clicked for me (Score:2, Insightful)
Taran's is a straightforward tale of becomming a man. Ged's is a complex tale of becoming a wise man. So yeah, you might have been too young to realize the character development. :-)
I might re-read The Prydain Chronicles for fun and escape if I came across a copy; but even now as an adult, each time I re-read the Earthsea novels I feel a little wiser.
Re:Never really clicked for me (Score:2)
Re:Never really clicked for me (Score:2)
Never read it, who is the author?
I read very little fantasy because almost all of it is drivel written by people who don't understand there is more to it than the same old plots with elves and swords thrown in (just like pseudo SF which is just the same old plots with lazers and space ships). Finding any that is worth reading is almost impossible.
Re:Never really clicked for me (Score:2, Informative)
Prydain is only classified as fantasy because of the setting (based on Welsh mythology).
Be warned, these are filed under "Juvenile Fiction" and are written at a Middle School/High School level. If you can't get past that part, I don't recommend them. I do believe in
Re:Never really clicked for me (Score:2)
Been dreading this for years. (Score:2)
I suppose they did relatively well with Dune (certainly better than the god awful movie), not so well with Children.
But Earthsea is subtle. I dread to think what they'll do with the dragons.
Hate to be a Cassandra (Score:5, Insightful)
Hate to say it. It is likely to be a flop. Compared to Earthsea the Lord of the Rings is simple. I(very biased)MO this is the second most impossible movie after the Lord of Light. The reason is that you have both an extremely complex, logical and well described world along with a complex story line and complex characters.
I love the rings, but the rings characters are like cartoons compared to the Earthsea (or nearly any Ursula Le Guin book).
Re:Hate to be a Cassandra (Score:3, Insightful)
If the writers, director, and actors of Earthsea can use this to their advantage, they have an opportunity to
Re:Hate to be a Cassandra (Score:3, Interesting)
Earthsea, on the other hand, was written more like a modern story and less like an ancient epic. They've got a real opportunity here, a great work by a master storyteller. I hope it works out.
LotR is not really written like an ancient epic either. I know, I've read the Kalevala and the Illiad and, of course, Beow
Re:Hate to be a Cassandra (Score:4, Interesting)
P.S. You're not a Cassandra if people believe you.
-Carolyn
Re:Hate to be a Cassandra (Score:2)
We read this book for a religion class in college and in our discussion focused on the importance of names in the book. That may be why I remember the story as basically a young man's quest to discover the name of the evil thing and thus defeat it. I can't remember if becoming a wizard was part of his quest or defeating the evil thing was pa
Very cool (Score:5, Informative)
I'd read the first book before anything else. I was kind of disappointed with The Tombs of Atuan book 2), which was very different from the first book. The third book was okay, but not as good as the first -- sort of the Dune syndrome.
The setting is different from most fantasy -- a bunch of islands, lots of emphasis on sailing around. There are not a lot of epic things going on -- there's lots of pragmatic, down-to-earth people.
Re:Very cool (Score:2)
Underread and underrated. If you've read the original series, Tales from Earthsea [amazon.com] is a fantastic read. I also recently picked up The Other Wind [amazon.com] and thought it was wonderful as well.
Great! (Score:5, Informative)
Earthsea world is a fun world to game in despite the difficulties thrown in by the latter stories.
I wonder will they remake the lathe of heaven, and I'd love to see "The word for world is forest" or even "Rocannon's World"!
Re:Great! (Score:2)
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0290230/
Not too bad... they skipped a lot of the hard parts, quite frankly, to avoid the confusion.
Lisa Bonet (from the Cosby show) does a very good job in this movie, considering her lackluster career.
The first adapatation, which was a VERY formitive movie I saw on PBS when I was young, was much better.
Add to that the Ascent of Man (Think "Connections" with a brain) turned me into the twisted geek I am today...
Don't get too excited (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd love to see a big-screen version, though. I think there would be a better chance of getting it right in the larger format. Not because of "action" scenes or dramatic landscapes or any of the usual things people want to see in a movie, but because to do these books justice, you really would need to immerse the audience in the film in a way that isn't possible on a typical 29" screen.
Re:Don't get too excited (Score:2)
Agreed. I'm not sure how they can go from the now-freed-of-his-shadow ascendant mage to Tenar's plotline without the in-print convention of having to pick up another book. Years since I've read them, but I distinctly remember being entirely focused on the new characters and situations in the second book, then being blown away by Ged starving and dehydrated, lost in the tunnels. To say nothing of the character developmen
Fantasy, SciFi (Score:2)
Re:Fantasy, SciFi (Score:2, Interesting)
Fantasy doesn't try to really have things make sense they just tell you that a thing works, they do not explain it.
Science Fiction often bases it's marvels on actual theory of the modern day, expanding upon it's fantastical possibilities.
Nanotechnological devices repairing a person's wounds are a little more believable than a man chanting a bunch of words than putting his hands on a would and
Re:Fantasy, SciFi (Score:2)
It's got pretty much every aspect of speculative fiction covered, it's just a name, not definition of policy.
Re:Fantasy, SciFi (Score:2, Funny)
Fantasy Guy and SF Guy drinking at a bar...
Heh. Phil and Dixie... good stuff.
Read the books whilst you can... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not suggesting that the books are about to disappear. Nor am I implying that the TV series will be terrible. I have no idea how well the product will turn out, and the books will be as available after as they are before.
No, what I'm saying is that pretty soon this series will influence your view of things, whether you want it to or not. I'm seeing this with my nephews, who are reading Lord of the Rings directly after seeing the films. They're seeing the book as much more action-packed than I did, and I'm sure that this is due to expectation after watching the films.
So read them now, and then watch with interest. You're going to be influenced - can't help but be, but at least you'll have your own ideas in place beforehand.
Cheers,
Ian
Please use mini-series (Score:4, Funny)
not really suited for SciFi (Score:3, Insightful)
It's truly a pity that the BBC never picked up an option -- that have been a perfect combination.
Cautious optimism is called for (Score:2, Insightful)
If you haven't read it yet, I envy you.
The SciFi Channel did an amazing job with Dune, another very cerebral book, so there's hope that they'll take the same intelligent approach with Earthsea. That clown Peter Jackson could learn a lot from these people: r
Re:Cautious optimism is called for (Score:5, Informative)
This seminal work was read by both Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, and its impact on their work is clear. Especially the "I am not gonna explain Magic to you, dumbshit, it's Magic!" attitude they all share.
Written in the 19th century, it runs in the same vein as Alice and Kipling's works. The english is chewy at times, and can get down right sloggy.
Re:Cautious optimism is called for (Score:3, Informative)
When did miniseries become a cable thing? (Score:3, Insightful)
Back in the day, Shogun and Roots and that kind of thing were big money makers for the three broadcast networks. Now it's the SciFi Channel and that kind of venue putting out new series, or first-time-in-the-US ones anyway. (A&E ran the [fantastic, literate, well-acted] BBC Pride and Prejudice, for example.)
How long ago did this happen? Personally I'm not so sure it's a bad thing. The production values are lower, okay, but CGI can fill in rough edges for this science fiction or fantasty stuff. A miniseries is much better, much much better, for most books, and for characters in general, than any film release. The Aubrey Maturin movie this spring was pretty good, really, but there's just no way to do that in two-plus hours.
Maybe in 25 years we'll get Harry Potter miniseries done by some sort of children's network, and the plots and characters won't feel like they're being crammed inside of three hours to cash in at the box office. That first HP movie in particular was way, way frenetic.
Re:When did miniseries become a cable thing? (Score:2)
Low production values + CGI can themselves be the rough edges. Remember the tiger attack from the Children of Dune mini-series?
Re:When did miniseries become a cable thing? (Score:4, Insightful)
In 25 years, no one below the age of 30 will know what Harry Potter is. (Kid living with mean family discovers he has magic powers, secret history. It's been done better before, and it will be done better again. Don't get me wrong -- I liked [most of] the books -- but don't confuse them for something they aren't.)
Not a trilogy. (Score:5, Informative)
Wizard of Earthsea
Tombs of Autan
The Farthest Shore
But in 2001 Leguin published Tehanu. [tinyurl.com] The earthsea trilogy is now called the Earthsea Cycle. Of all of The Earthsea cycle books, Tehanu really showcases LeGuin's political and feminist slants. (This is a good thing I believe). Tombs of Autan had some and the other two books required a little more digging to get into her philosophy.
If you want to read some great LeGuin I would reccomend: Always coming home [tinyurl.com] and The Dispossessed [tinyurl.com]. Both of these books are very thought provoking and well worth the time to read. There was an edition of Always coming home publihsed with a cassette tape of the music and poetry that was created by the societies described in the book. Wonderul stuff.
"Grain grows best in shit" Ursula K LeGuin
(Tinyurl links got to amazon Please use fewer 'junk' characters.
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Re:Not a trilogy. (Score:2, Informative)
But why only the first two books, anyway? Are they planning on following up with the rest? After reading Wizard, I kept wondering, "Why am I here?" while reading Tombs. Farthest Shore helped make sense of that.
Re:Not a trilogy. (Score:3, Informative)
The Other Wind [scifan.com], a full novel, came out in 2001, as did Tales From Earthsea [scifan.com], a collection of short stories.
IIRC, the short story Dragonfly was originally published in Robert Silverburg's Legends [scifan.com] compilation.
--darren
Re:Not a trilogy. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not a trilogy. (Score:3, Interesting)
The A Wizard of Earthsea, Tombs and Furthest Shore cluster together as a story about the career of a single character (Ged). The later books, developed 20 years later, focus on different characters, different themes and are done in a different style. Probably the best way to think of them is as a trilogy with two sequels.
Old news... (Score:3, Informative)
devastation (Score:2, Insightful)
i reread Wizard this summer. beautiful little Man v. Self. but there's no way they can lace the movie with all the subtle surrealism of the book.
Myren
I always thought... (Score:4, Interesting)
Space combat, political intrigue, charismatic lead character.. how can you go wrong?
Unless Disney got a hold of it, of course.
The Name (Score:4, Funny)
Myst (Score:3, Informative)
Does anyone know if that's still going forward? How many planned miniseries actually come to completion -- if Myst was silently cancelled, are the chances of this one being finished questionable?
with all of SciFi's funding... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why can't they [SciFi] put the funds to good use, like co-financing the Beeb's revival of "Doctor Who" slated for 2005? SciFi would be a better outlet in the States for it than BBC America...and reach a larger potential audience since SciFi is a basic cable channel and BBC America is usually treated as something reserved for digital cable packages. Yep, load up 10 Spanish-speaking stations in basic cable, but make the Beeb a premium cultural channel. Nope, that's not discrimination at all! Damn you to hell, Comcast!
I wonder if Roy Schneider's available? (Score:2)
Suuurreee.... (Score:2)
better, by far, than harry potter (Score:2)
unfortunately, the "fantasy" section at my local bookwhores were filled with tripe like the endless dragonlance series and their ilk. i took a bad turn, and for a long time was dissatisfied with the genre, delving instead into more sci fi than is healthy for an adolescent.
then i took up
Re:better, by far, than harry potter (Score:5, Insightful)
hey, what a good idea! let's trash a book we've never read!
i heard that wizard of earthsea has a wizard in it that fights dragons! that sounds a lot like the hobbit! tolkien's estate should sue!
it's great that you recommend that parents have their children read earthsea; it's a great book that's perfect for readers from curious pre-teens to fantasy-minded adults. but rowling writes some fine fiction for children, and for you to discount it without reading it is pretty lame.
here's a tip--try not to be so pretentious.
Race... (Score:3, Interesting)
She never does specify a definate race, but all of her main characters are described as brown, red, or dark skinned. There may be a question as to what race Ged actually is, but he is definately not white.
reviews, and a query about creative control (Score:3, Interesting)
I would be surprised if Le Guin sold the film rights without retaining tight creative control... Or did she sell them a long time ago, before she became famous enough to be able to set her own terms?
Danny.
Re:this is not Slashdot worthy (Score:2)
Why don't some slashdot readers seem to know that they can use technology to filter categories they aren't interested in so they don't have to waste their precious time on them and can more quickly return to outsourcing/being outsourced?
Discuss...
Re:My Lord... (um...) (Score:3, Insightful)
That's not a flame, just pointing out the obvious...
Re:Wheel of time (Score:2)
Re:STOP AT THE 3rd BOOK!!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Le Guin makes a sudden shuddering stop with Ged in a bad spot and a Dragon drops from sky to end the story.
Considering that the stories are based on AmerIndian folktales, dropping a Greek ending on you makes a bad ending.
Re: Discworld Mini-series (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, someone has already done that. The Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music have both been done as animated mini-series. I've seen the latter, and it's quite fun. I didn't care much for the style of animation, but the voice acting is wonderful.
You can get them at Amazon.com [amazon.com] (and no, it's not a referral link).