Apple Releases Logic 7, New Jam Packs 187
RadRafe writes "Apple today introduced Logic Pro 7 and Logic Express 7. Logic Pro now features Distributed Audio, a clustering tool (Xgrid-based?) to exploit the DSP power of multiple Macs, and Sculpture, the long-awaited component-modeling synthesizer. Also out today are two new Jam Packs for GarageBand - though they work in Logic too, now that Logic supports Apple Loops."
"Scale out" (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:"Scale out" (Score:3, Informative)
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Cubase SX 3 (Score:2, Informative)
Clicky [steinberg.net]
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2)
I've started looking into open source analogs of things like GarageBand and Logic. I've found Ardour, Hydrogen, and Audacity. Are there any others that I should look at with similar functionality as the Apple 'store bought' versions have?
Eventually, I'll try to get
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2)
Thanks for the reply...just curious, which version of Logic Express were you running that worked this well on the 800Mhz eMac? Maybe I could pick up a used copy on eBay or something...
Thanks in advance...
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2, Interesting)
Steinberg originally developed for Windows (actually IRIX, but that's a long story), and has not done a good job porting things to the mac.
But if you are comfortable with Cubase, go for it, after all, only the end product matters.
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:1)
Cubase has Atari roots, yes, I admit it, i was wrong...
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:2)
. I use version 2 on Windows and the Mac and they're both great. Its an expensive program, but with a nice soundcard you can do some serious work with the Steinberg Stuff.
I tried logic once and I couldn't figure it out without looking things up. With Cubase its pretty straightforward.
By the way, Audacity supports VST's as well, although they don't display like they do in Steinberg's software.
Re:Cubase SX 3 (Score:1)
Strange - I could've sworn that that's exactly what was in the upgrade box I got 2 weeks ago...
If you still don't believe me: the online help was missing from the DVD, so you have to download it [steinberg.de]...
np: Autechre - Arch Carrier (LP5)
Not a lot of new features.... (Score:2, Flamebait)
It will be interesting to see how MOTU [motu.com] is going to respond with DP5 ;-)
Re:Not a lot of new features.... (Score:4, Informative)
I guess that means you didn't read the pages of online documentation of download the PDF, because I see many new features. Add to the list:
A new drum synth, an FM synth, a component modeling synth, an amp modeling plugin, match EQ, linear EQ, new ring modulation, pitch correction, vocal modulation, multi-meter, spectrum analyzer, phase correction, AAC support, ID3 support, global tracks for tempo and key adjustments, automatic cross-fade, QWERTY MIDI control, DSP templates, external instrument tracks, Apple Loops support, etc etc etc.
RTGDFA
Re:Not a lot of new features.... (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Not a lot of new features.... (Score:3, Informative)
What you would use has nothing to do with what was added. You're trolling when you intentionally omit or skew information to make a point. Last count: 38 new features.
Re:Not a lot of new features.... (Score:2)
Each to their own; fluff is as the user sees it.
Re:Not a lot of new features.... (Score:2)
Bundling Soft Synths (Score:2, Interesting)
I can see the value added with the bundling, but you would think customers would want to pick and choose their soft synths. I mean, does everyone want a B3 or a PPG or whatever emulator?
Re:Bundling Soft Synths (Score:3, Interesting)
That's the way it used to be with emagic, but apple decided to simplify the product line, and now you get everything for the price the software alone used to cost. I personally aplaud them for doing so, as the software is easily worth $999 without the synths, and probably 3 times that with them all, not to mention that the
Very busy user interface (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Very busy user interface (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Very busy user interface (Score:1, Insightful)
Very very steep learning curve. If you've never used a sequencing program before I'd give you a small chance of getting some sound out of the program within a few days. If you're familiar with another program (MOTU or Cubase) you can pr
Re:Very busy user interface (Score:2)
You've obviously never used any pro audio software, as these types of knobs are found everywhere. The thing is, the knobs aren't manipulated with a circular motion, but a simple up down motion, and it's actually very intuitive, as well as taking up less space than a virtual fader.
As for the wisdom of making interfaces that emulate hardware, that's an ongoing discussion in the audio softwa
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Re:Very busy user interface (Score:3, Interesting)
Thanks for those who talked about how the knob controls work (which, they are right in pointing out, is not immediately intuitive; there is a slight learning curve), rather than just blindly modding down.
Re:Very busy user interface (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, come on!
You mean you are an experienced audio pro, making solid cash and cannot spend like $50 on a multibutton scroll wheel mouse?
Moreover, since when are you using factory-supplied mice on a PC? They are crap! First thing anyone should do is trash them!
On the other hand, when telling my mum over the phone to mail me some stuff, one-button mice would be a blessing.
Of course, I have a trusty Lo
User-unfriendly Logic (Score:5, Insightful)
- A second menu bar? Why? It is unintuitive, defeats Fitt's Law and is just plain awkward.
- Init files: to have a standard way of organizing, you have to save a project in a certain way with a certain name to a certain folder which I always forget. Apple's GUI guide simply states "after an app starts up, make it appear like when you left it"
- Often times, Logic doesn't redraw correctly.
- Icons vary widely in quality: Some are Aqua-esque, other's are 8bit-like, and even others are pure b/w... ?!
- Hundreds of icons that do not line up, or overlap each other... looks sloppy
- Sometimes bouncing works, sometimes it does nothing
- Timestreching crashes Logic from time to time
These errors are all present in the (until now) most recent version of Logic. Emagic is aware of these problems: They have a buglist feature that all registered users get access to (I wonder why others don't... let me guess: because it might hold them off from buying it?).
Anyway, my point is: Now Apple owns Logic, and this app still does not behave in the way Apple asks apps to behave... it's just silly...
Anybody know why after all these years, Logic is still extremely unlogical (don't let me go into details about *these* things), yet they don't care?
Re:User-unfriendly Logic (Score:5, Insightful)
Are you referring to previous experiences with Logic - or do you say you've used the product that came out today and it's improved on none of these problems?
Re:User-unfriendly Logic (Score:1, Interesting)
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Re:User-unfriendly Logic (Score:2)
Big improvements take time. Emagic didn't care about UI. Apple does. Note also that Logic 7 is no longer branded Emagic; it is now a fully Apple-branded and -supported product.
Re:User-unfriendly Logic (Score:2)
Are there any full-size screenshots on the site anywhere? I've looked and can't find anything but tiny images (other than of the plugins.)
From those tiny images it looks like the interface is only marginally updated from 6, which was (IMHO) only marginally updated from 5. It seems like, for the most part, it's the same old Logic 5 with some Photoshop layer effects thrown onto all the UI elements.
I'm going to buy Logic 7 regardless, I'm just curious. The Logic UI never really bothered me that much anyway,
Re:User-unfriendly Logic (Score:2)
It shows that none of the serious interface problems have been gone: The second menubar now looks a bit different, but it's still there. Bummer
By the way: has anybody else noticed that Apple has created oversized screenshots with twice the resolution for Apps like Logic and GarageBand? Either some graphic artist has painstakingly recreated every UI interface element with the double resolution or
Re:User-unfriendly Logic (Score:2)
Thanks for the link!
Yeah, the UI looks like the same old Logic with some bevels and highlights thrown on. :)
I've read that the underlying code for resolution independence is present in the 10.4 Developer Previews, so Apple could be using it for the screenshots.
Apple Loops ?? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Apple Loops ?? (Score:2)
Latency? (Score:1)
I do like that the nodes are unlimited license wise. However I am concerned about the actual use in a real production environment.
Is this a replacement? (Score:2)
Re:Is this a replacement? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Is this a replacement? (Score:4, Insightful)
Infinite Loops! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Infinite Loops! (Score:2, Funny)
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA
it's not a feature
it's their address
Re:Infinite Loops! (Score:5, Informative)
Or likely playing off of Apple's Cupertino address, 1 Infinite Loop.
Is this possible? (Score:1, Offtopic)
I am a huge Sherlock Holmes & Dr. Who fan and I really have enjoyed the audio files I've listened to. My issue is this most of the non-BBC audio are abridged and are mono.
I would love to create a 5.1 Audio file of the original text of the books I own.
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And I do love the voices in the Sherlock Holmes series
As a 3month Logic Pro 6 owner... (Score:1)
But hey, that's the name of the game I suppose. I hope there's some cheapo upgrade for suckers like me
After recording a cd this week on an an ancient 5 year old mac running pro-tools under Mac OS 9 I can say this much : Logic really is a bargain at the price it's selling at (full AND upgrades) if you see what it offers (features and performanc
Re:As a 3month Logic Pro 6 owner... (Score:2)
What kind of Digi hardware did it have, and does that hardware work properly with MacOS X/Logic?
Re:As a 3month Logic Pro 6 owner... (Score:2)
I was just wondering because my dad has a couple of 888 I/O's and wants to try Logic and OS X.
Apple's loops just aren't good enough (Score:2)
Goodbye Emagic (Score:3, Insightful)
All previous versions were referred to as Emagic Logic.
Today the existing Emagic web site essentially went away (although there is some new information there).
Emagic is a German company and Apple bought it two years ago and stopped its development of Windows products.
So this release of Logic 7 represents the culmination of a huge realignment of music and audio software on the Mac platform, with profound implications for the market and third-party companies that make competing and complimentary products.
I am impressed. (Score:5, Informative)
I've been using Logic since version 2, and I have watched it evolve from a do-everything MIDI sequencer to a full-fledged DAW suite.
I'm frustrated to read so many negative comments from people who have obviously never used serious music software before, so I'm going to address a few things:
First, this is very relevant to apple.slashdot.org because Apple owns Logic, and a lot of us have been very eager to see just what Apple was going to do with Logic for version 7.
Is it anything like Fruity Loops or Garage Band? No, not really. You could probably pick up any of the above to create a piece of dance music, but Logic is the only one of the three that is wide open - if there's something a computer can do with audio, Logic Pro can probably do it.
I doubt Cubase is more popular than Logic in the studio. Once you get used to working in Logic, Cubase feels like a toy. I'll admit I haven't used it in a few years so maybe it has improved.
Somebody posted that Logic is unstable and doesn't draw right a lot of the time, but this has not been my experience - in fact version 6 has been rock-solid for me. I know that cracked copies of Logic tend to not work very well.
A few people have said that there aren't a lot of new featured, but I downloaded the Logic Overview PDF from the Apple site, and I see TONS of stuff:
Re:Broadcast Wave (Score:4, Informative)
The support of this format in Logic is significant as it's the first Apple software to support it. Hopefully this means will see it soon in Final Cut soon.
Re:I am impressed. (Score:3, Interesting)
Guitar Amp (Score:2)
/.ness (Score:2, Interesting)
Mostly trolls or flamebait... a few people who suggest sx3, reason or Live are better...
I am surprised to be the only one asking about:
Re:Macs are expensive (Score:3, Informative)
MAC = most overused CS acronym (Score:1)
Re:Macs are expensive (Score:2, Funny)
Everyone with an Ethernet card has a MAC.
Perhaps you were thinking of "Macintosh", commonly abbreviated "Mac"?
Re:Macs are expensive (Score:1)
Re:Macs are expensive (Score:2)
As a Logic Platinum user (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:As a Logic Platinum user (Score:2)
I bought the top-of-the-line version of Logic when 6 came out. Shortly afterward suddenly they redid the pricing structures...
just be thankful you didn't buy 2.5, 3, 4, and 5 platinum...
Not really. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Not really. (Score:2)
I've got "drumkit from hell superior", and it really rocks. It's 3 VSTs (and rewire support) : one for drums, one for percussion and one for cocktail. And about 35 GIG(!!!) of drum samples.
The system requirements are a bit steep, though.
Re:Not really. (Score:2)
Re:Kind of like... (Score:5, Informative)
This is not mp3 bit rates here. This is Pro Audio level sound quality.
An Audio CD has a sample rate of 44.1kHz.
bit rates versus sample rates (Score:3, Informative)
So, one can see intuitively that a stereo 24-bit 192Khz audio file will be 24 times larger than a stereo mp3 file that is 192kpbs. The difference in clarity will be almost as striking as
Re:bit rates versus sample rates (Score:2, Informative)
No, as far as I understand it's 24 bits per sample per channel. So if it's in stereo, the file would be 48 times larger than the MP3.
Re:Kind of like... (Score:5, Informative)
Thanks a lot by the way..now I probably can't keep moderating this quite interesting thread ;-)
Re:Kind of like... (Score:3, Interesting)
192kHz, though... seems a bit... nay, completely out to lunch. Oh, wait. With 192kHz, you should be able to record the (60kHz) WWVB radio s
Re:Kind of like... (Score:4, Interesting)
What the underlying cause and effect were, I don't know.
Personally, I'd feel pretty confident that a 24/96 medium, with relatively sharp Nyquist filters, would qualify as being completely transparent compared to the rest of the signal chain. There certainly aren't going to be many mike/preamp combinations exceeding 120 dB s/n!
I suspect that the use of a 192 kHz sample rate allows for both extended bandwidth past the conventionally accepted limits of human hearing, and for shallower, gentler Nyquist filtering. The sampling's certainly cheap enough now, unlike 1983 when most CD players used 14-bit D/A converters!
Re:Kind of like... (Score:4, Informative)
192k == tape (Score:2)
I haven't used this, but I feel pretty confident in saying it kicks Fruity Loops's ass.
Still, $999 for just software when you can get Pro Tools + the mBox interface for 3 or 4 hundred? Not worth it, IMO. Targeted towards the pros, I guess.
Re:Kind of like... (Score:2)
Re:Unbundle GarageBand and reduce OSX price (Score:3, Informative)
It's bundled with the iLife suite of applications...
Re:Unbundle GarageBand and reduce OSX price (Score:2)
Re:Unbundle GarageBand and reduce OSX price (Score:2)
No it's not. iLife is bundled with new Macs.
So, for example: when I bought my Aluminum Powerbook, it came with the then-current iLife and Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar). When I purchased the upgrade to 10.3 (Panther), iLife wasn't included.
Re:Unbundle GarageBand and reduce OSX price (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Original parent not a troll. Is right! (Score:2)
Re:Original parent not a troll. Is right! (Score:1)
Re:Original parent not a troll. Is right! (Score:2)
Does every single program need to be useful to every single user to be included? How does it hurt your poor sainted grandmother if Apple has included an application she'll never use?
On the other hand, this would be a lot of fun for the kids on a family computer, and would be at least a little bit of compensation for the Mac not being the greatest game machine. And it's probably "healthier" (whatever that means) for kids to slap to
Re:Unbundle GarageBand and reduce OSX price (Score:3, Insightful)
While I doubt your market research, and your ability to recognize that OS X sells separately from iLife, I understand the source of your confusion.
iLife is bundled with new Apple hardware, so you get a copy when you buy a new iBook, iMac, PowerMac, etc.
Now, maybe you won't use GarageBand, but I'm g
Re:Unbundle GarageBand and reduce OSX price (Score:2)
Considering that it is a minimal cost to bundle it with the computer (which is all that they do, not with the OS), why not throw it in as an added nicety for those who might use it?
Re:Review. (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no such thing as a "Altivextreme" card. Dual 2.5Ghz G5s even with 4GB of ram do not cost $12,000. Someone who does use Logic doesn't refer to their stuff as a "music file". There is no DMA enable/disable in MacOS, and it is enabled by default. And running Logic on a G3 iMac... what did you expect??
This is just a AC posting negative drivel out his bum for whatever reason.
Re:Review. (Score:1)
->G5 2.5GHz x 2 w/ 4GB RAM != $12,000
->no such thing as Altivextreme PCI-X card
->MagicMaestro for DOS does not exist
->You say your G5 is slow, then compare to the G3 iMac and say it was slow, so therefore it must be slow! your G3 iMac is slow at everything - hello?
I smell TROLL BS...
Re:Review. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Well, then it's exactly the same as Cubase SX 3 (Score:2)
No Dongles in Express (Score:2)
Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G4 or faster processor (G5 or dual G4
processors recommended)
512MB of RAM
Mac OS X v10.3 or later
4GB of available hard disk space
DVD drive for software installation
Low-latency multi-I/O audio hardware and MIDI interface recommended
Separate hard drive recommended for high-resolution audio tracks
Notice anything missing? No more XSKey dongles!! Woohoo for Apple respecting the limited available ports on powerbooks! Unfortun
Re:What's *actually* new in the new Logic? (Score:2)
The nearest competing technology is FXTeleport, which is host-independent (its a VST plugin)
Re:Bad form; eMapple. Very bad form! (Score:2)