How to Get Music Off Your iPod 473
ptorrone writes "Never did we think we'd need to do a How-To on something which should be part of the basic functionality of a portable music player, but once you put your tunes on an iPod unfortunately it's a one-way sync unless you know the tricks for getting them off. Here's how to get your stuff off for free on a Mac or PC and how to re-enable a useful tool with a Hex editor." Cory Doctorow has been writing about this on boingboing recently; he discusses Apple's message to iPod owners.
Short-lived? (Score:5, Insightful)
Additionally, it's relatively easy (compared to ripping CDs) to do it on iPod because Apple basically owns the device and its content, and they can do a lot to force users to comply. iPod doesn't need to follow a standard format (like CDs must play in all CD players), they can set/change the format to suit.
The article is quick to point out that "We're also hopeful Apple might consider not spending engineering time and lawyer fees on chasing after applications and developers who just want to give folks an obvious feature that's being left out only to appease the RIAA. At the end of the day, Apple needs to know that we're their customers, too."
However I think the BoingBoing article sums it up nicely - " Apple didn't have any choice. If they don't play nice with the suicidally stupid record industry, the industry will stop supplying music for the iPod."
When/If these online music distributors have gained enough market shares (maybe 30% of all music album buyers?), they might able to turn around and force the record industry to make changes, because it's not nice to lose 30% sales overnight.
Wrong (Score:5, Informative)
That's not what the article says, the article REFUTES that point, sheesh.
Re:Wrong (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Short-lived? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why is this useful? (Score:4, Insightful)
It has already been clearly established that the iPod is not a 'backup' medium and it is not acceptable to store the 'only' copies of your music on it. Quite regularly, answers in Apple's troubleshooting tips for iPod problems instruct the user to restore the Pod, which returns it to the completely empty default-install state.
So why would anyone be silly enough to keep the only copies of their music on their iPod, forcing them to then use this tool? With iTunes, you can't even get music onto the Pod without first importing it into the library. So it's a given that the music is already on your computer. (And where did it come from? If absolutely necessary, you can re-rip your CDs, or copy from your burned backups for iTMS or illegal music downloads.)
So tell me, is there a legitimate reason for your only copy of any song to be exclusively stored on your iPod?
Re:Why is this useful? (Score:4, Insightful)
well, back when i first got my ipod, i only had the original 400Mhz TiBook with the 10Gig hard drive. i quickly got in the habit of separately managing tracks that went on my iPod to save hard drive space: i'd rip stuff local, then would drag music to the ipod, and erase from local library. That's kinda been my modus operandi since then. Now that I have an AlBook with 80G HD ... yeah i could go back to the "normal" way, though i'm already at 61% full.
I'll be holding off on that iTunes upgrade. While i'm typically a staunch Apple advocate, the fact that they're actively blocking apps from interacting with the library is deeply troubling to me.
Re:Why is this useful? (Score:5, Interesting)
My girlfriend (the most honest person I know) has just moved out of her house and off to college. Her iPod, which she has owned for a couple of years, was synced with her mom's Mac. For whatever reason her mom's HD fried.
My girlfriend was SOL. She had downloaded a good amount of music legitimately but now couldn't get any more because if she sync'd with her iTunes and the new music she'd gotten it would wipe her iPod clean.
What did we do? We restored her music to her PC using a tool similar to these.
So that's one legit reason. Some quick ones I can come up with off the top of my head include:
-getting a new computer
-using two computers (i.e. laptop and desktop) and wanting be able to use both for adding music to the library
-computer (hardware or software) is messed up in some way
and, as another poster said, it is YOUR iPod and YOUR music. why can't do with it as you please? What if I got the thing to be both my music player and a good sized portable HD for me to take with me as i travel the world? It's my iPod, after all.
Re:Short-lived? (Score:3, Interesting)
Under Mac OS X Apple includes a free way to back up the music on your iPod. Just run Terminal.app and enter this line:
Folders named like "F00", "F01", "F02" will be placed on your Desktop, drag them into iTunes and you are all set.
I'm sure that you can do the same thing under Windows an
Re:Short-lived? (Score:5, Insightful)
Archos (Score:2, Interesting)
Video, Pictures, and you don't have to do anything illegal to be able to keep your own music.
Re:Archos (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Archos (Score:3, Insightful)
Story = Engadget Plug (Score:3, Insightful)
This story is simply yet another plug for the folks over at Engadget.com, submitted by Mr. Torrone [slashdot.org] himself. (Hint: he's with Engadget.) They're trolling for hits, plain and simple.
At least grant us the courtesy of a disclosure statement if you're gonna let 'em plug their site under the guise of news.
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:5, Informative)
cheers,
pt
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:2)
I guess it wasn't so clear to me either.
Was it a paid placement? Fark went through a bit of a brouhaha [wired.com] when it turned out some of their stories were paid placements.
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:3)
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:3, Informative)
Exactly! What the hell are all these people whinging about? The last time I wanted to move the music off my iPod, I just went into the /Volumes/ entry for it, and used find with an exec statement of "open". With iTunes library consolidation turned on, this happily copies everything back.
I sure hope this isn't another round of Apple Shareware Idiots charging people $29.99 for something that could have been done with a five second Applescript droplet.
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:5, Informative)
Can you see how some of us suspect you of trolling for hits?
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:5, Interesting)
cheers,
pt
Here here! (Score:2)
I also don't see why you're defensive. It seems like every story involving a 'sister site' (or whatever) of Slashdot notes that in passing. Just start putting a disclaime
Re:Story = Engadget Plug (Score:5, Funny)
Then give 'em what they want. Hit the reload buttons, fellow Slashdotters!
Re:Story = Engadget Plug, that's OK with me (Score:2)
WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (Score:4, Informative)
Re:WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (Score:5, Informative)
If you must moderate me down so be it but I don't want anyone fired because a story reviewer was irresponsible.
Re:WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Parent is not a troll. (Score:2)
Re:WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (Score:2)
Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:5, Informative)
The tool they talk about would make it easier but even a novice can use a shell if they are just following directions.
Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:5, Interesting)
Personally, I have faith in people, and when someone asks me how to copy files off their iPod, I show them how to do it with the normal shell commands or file manager interfaces. The belief that people need a WYSIWYG GUI application to move files between storage devices is, I think, a result of the incorrect and insulting attitude that developers are so much smarter than their users.
Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:3, Insightful)
These days, most people approach the user like you might approach your retarded cousin who was raised by ferrets on a remote island: don't tell them anything, you might frighten or confuse them (unfrozen-caveman-lawyer style).
That's because there are a whole fuckton of people out there who don't know, don't care, and refuse to learn even the most basic thing about computers (like copying files or not clicking on random attachments). The revel in their ignorance. Faced by such willful ignorance, the docum
Well, there is some cause for concern... (Score:2)
Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Far simpler way: Use these shareware apps: (Score:2)
1) iPodRip
2) iPod Access
And some cool apps that let you download RSS feeds and news to your iPod like "Pod2Go". Just search versiontracker.com for "ipod", you'll get plenty of results.
Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:3, Informative)
Neither of the programs listed in the article seem to do either, and as a developer of this exact type of software, I know how valuable it can be.
Here are some of the options I find worthy (Mac OS X only):
- iPodRip [thelittleappfactory.com] - I wrote this, so it is a plug for me. Recovers everything. Ten unrestricted
A special message for you - F*** Off (Score:2)
But I guess you're too bitter to actually be inquistive and can't imagine someone else knowing what they are talking about.
Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:4, Informative)
Just mount the iPod in firewire disk mode go searching via the terminal or make sure you set hidden files as viewable in Finder/Explorer.
Or download the handful of GUI apps that will do it for you. Apple disabled an iTunes plugin - not the ability to move files from your iPod.
Other note - yes they are split oddly (Score:3, Interesting)
Another is that if you are backing up the iPod, all it takes is a recursive copy and you are done. Still very useful.
Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (Score:2, Interesting)
First you can't see the directory the music is stored in by using Finder as Apple disables it but if you open a terminal you can copy all the files across from the mount point.
Yes as you stated this contains a big mess of numerical directories with crappy filenames but all the files are still properly tagged (you d
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That's why real names are useful... (Score:2)
All my MP3's/AAC's are pretty well named, so generally it's not so much a problem.
"Eat shit and die"? (Score:4, Insightful)
His preemptive rebuttals are also complete bullshit. Yes, we're the "customers", not Sony/BMG. And he himself admits that the record companies are idiots; yes, those are the idiots that Apple has to deal with. A lot of people think it was a miracle Apple/Steve Jobs got them even to agree to this "crazy experiment" in the first place.
Additionally, getting music back off the iPod is not part of the advertised capabilities or features of the service, period, and never was. Remember iTunes 4.0b12? It let you go both ways between every iPod and iTunes under the sun, with no limits. You could two-way sync every iPod and iTunes library on earth. Remember iTunes 4.0, and its internet music sharing? The record industry might not be telling Apple *exactly* the specifics of how to implement the protections, but Apple is under pressure to not make it too "easy" to "share" music on a wide scale, while still making the DRM and protections as transparent as it possibly can.
The proponents of things like iPod Download, and even the linked article, talk about things like stolen computers and hard drive failures. Well, in fairness, Apple does have a recommendation. You might hate it, and you might think it sucks, but it's to have your music library backed up somewhere other than your computer, and other than your iPod [apple.com]
Further, as long as the iPod is just a freaking disk, its contents will be able to be retrieved. But Apple CANNOT look as if it is passively ignoring things that are perceived by the music industry to be "dangerous", whether they are or not. Yes, Apple can try to help the music industry understand, and even pressure them in the right direction - and probably has, quite a bit, frankly. Remember, this whole online download thing is in its utter infancy.
If you want to hate or blame Apple for "selling out", and saying that they should just tell people like Sony/BMG to go fuck themselves, and if they lose them they lose them, fine...that's you call. And no one is forcing you to use or buy any of Apple's services. This is Apple's service and products, and they're running them how they feel they have to to ensure the iTunes Music Store's continued existence. Do you think they WANT to make things hard on customers? Quite the opposite! And maybe someday Apple will have the leverage to start pressing these things with the music industry - Jobs believes people should really be able to do what they want with their music. But people also want music from the major labels, so you can't piss them off right off the bat. What to do? Frankly, I think Apple is in the right here, and Cory Doctorow is the one who can eat shit and die.
Apple really is doing customers a disservice (Score:5, Insightful)
Oddly, Apple's iTMS wants it both ways. They say they are selling you a license for the song, not the physical song. But when you lose a song, they treat it like you lost physical property, even though you paid an apparently perpetual license fee that allows you to have the song and play it.
If something happens to your iTunes library, Apple will not let you re-download those songs again even though the "Fair Play" DRM insures that their could be no piracy involved, since the songs would be locked to the same computers as the original. Tough luck, says Apple, it's your fault for not backing up. Naturally, one would think that the iPod's large disk drive and auto synch would be the perfect way to back up songs, but the schizophrenic Apple won't let you copy your songs off iPod. (Yes, there are ways, but Apple may close that back door at any time.) iPod owners are constantly having to ask on Forums how to recover their accidentally erased iTMS library from their iPod because Apple doesn't officially allow anyway to copy their songs from your iPod to restore their music. Ridiculous.
Their is literally no customer advantage to the Apple downgrades. And copying your legal songs is not illegal. I'm glad that Corry is staying on this.
Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (Score:2)
Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (Score:2)
Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (Score:2)
Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (Score:5, Insightful)
Now why are you breaking your CDs with a sledgehammer? If I'm making a habit of taking a sledgehammer to my powerbook, the $10 for the iTunes album I bought is the least of my worries.
However, the RIAA argument as to why it's "stealing" to copy CDs is entirely based on the fact that, when you buy a CD, you aren't buying the physical CD, you're buying a perpetual license to play that song for personal use. If that's the position the RIAA wants to take, then I think the license should carry with it an implicit promise to ensure that the work remains accessible to the purchaser of said license.
In other words, if I'm paying them for the right to listen to the song, then they should have to let me listen to that song, independent of whether the storage medium is damaged. At the very least, provide a free download for life (no medium).
Otherwise, the RIAAs position becomes that you are not really buying the CD and you are not really buying the perpetual license to play the song. What then are you buying?
Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (Score:2, Interesting)
There is no reason that consumers should have to make a 3d copy of their music when the iPod serves as a perfect up-to-date mirror the iTunes library. Apple's official policy is that they do not support anyway to recover your legally purchased music from your iPod back to your computer. Yes, Slashdot posters can figure out a way, but most people's parents and non-techie friends wi
Re:"Eat shit and die"? (Score:2)
I was actually considering the iPod as my first ever Mac device purchase (although I have had some Mac hand-me-downs before). But after all that, I can hardly see the point. It seems to me that iPod just lost its supposedly number one reason for being better than the competition - the much advertised "ease of use." Without "ease of use" what is left beyond the fashion accessory argument?
Crap product. Move along...
Re:"Eat shit and die"? (Score:4, Insightful)
And yet, it's standard functionality for all other mp3 players. Auto companies don't explicitly state that their cars go in reverse, but it would be noteworthy if one didn't, right?
Re:"Eat shit and die"? (Score:2)
"Ford Trucks: Ours go backwards"
Wal*Mart may do that for us inadvertently. (Score:2)
Wall*Mart is NOT good for America.
Wall*Mart causes price wars that they ultimately win on volume (buy cheap in China and sell cheap in the 'States [and let the volume take care of the shipping,]) and everyone they rub up aga
Alternatively (Score:3, Informative)
What the fuck? (Score:5, Informative)
A simple google search will turn up more than enough results. Was it really nesse3sary to put this on the front page of Slashdot?
CopyPod (Score:5, Informative)
Winamp and iPod plugin (Score:5, Informative)
Of course worse comes to worst I navigate into the iPod in Windows Explorer, CTRL+C all the directories and CTRL+V it onto my Harddrive. No big deal.
It's not actually that hard! (Score:5, Informative)
Just to clarify, it's not actually that hard to get music off an iPod. Sure, iTunes won't let you copy music off it, but on a PC, it's this simple:
Voila! - All your mp3s are there - you can even play then straight off the iPod (in something like WinAMP) if you like.
Admittedly, on a Mac you have to resort to the Terminal (basically all the music files are hidden in Finder), but it's not exactly rocket science!
Re:It's not actually that hard! (Score:2)
How-To needed (Score:5, Funny)
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ephpod? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:ephpod? (Score:3, Interesting)
--Dan
What's the freakin' point? (Score:5, Insightful)
Just back the files you didn't get from your own CD's to data CD's and be done with it.
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:4, Insightful)
The point is music piracy. You put your music on your iPod and carry it to someone else's computer, then give them 40 GB of music files. That's the real purpose of this functionality, iPod as sneakernet.
Re:What's the freakin' point? (Score:3, Funny)
Not that difficult (OS X instructions) (Score:2, Informative)
In iTunes, select "Enable FireWire disk use." under iPod Preferences.
Open terminal. Note: this might not be exactly right, as I'm not sitting right in front of Terminal right now. But come on, this isn't exactly rocket science.
Re:Not that difficult (OS X instructions) (Score:2)
Damnit Apple! (Score:3, Insightful)
Rather than restrict sharing to say, 3 network MAC addresses, they removed the feature altogether.
This seems to be another annoyance for users who just want to stream their iTunes from home to a pals house, or musicians who use the iPod to listen to their own music.
Again, no trouble for those who would like to bypass such restrictions, just a pain in the ass for those who use(d) these features legitimately.
Re:Damnit Apple! (Score:2)
How quickly do you think that would last as a protection scheme? I've had 5 ethernet cards in the past two years. All of them had the same MAC address.
Re:Damnit Apple! (Score:2)
Restict to 3 mac addresses?!! (Score:2)
Over the internet you have to use IP addresses... since they are (normally) globally unique.
Iriver (Score:2, Informative)
The Easy Way (Score:3, Informative)
1) Plug in the iPod and make sure it mounts as a disk. Note the name of the disk (it will be whatever you named your iPod, likely John Doe's iPod).
2) Open a new finder window and press cmd-shift-G. In the sheet that opens up, type the following: "/Volumes/John Doe's iPod/iPod_Control/Music"
3) Your finder window will go the the music folder. It will look empty, but it's not. In the folder *above* the music folder, the music folder itself will appear as a greyed out folder. Drag this icon to wherever you'd like to put it. The copy will begin.
4) Once the copy completes, enjoy the music.
ipodRip (Score:2)
*sighs* (Score:2, Interesting)
It's like everyone was just waiting around for Apple to do something like this, and now that they've done it, no matter how minisculy important it is, OMFG APPLE IS FORCE-FEEDING US FECES.
There's dozens of programs out there that let you download from an iPod (so many have been linked already that I won't even bother) the one difference between all those and iPod Download? iPod Download is an iTunes plug-in. Is it really a stretch to imagine the RIAA pulling their music from the iTMS (or even suing App
If Microsoft did this.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Apple does it and people come out of the woodwork to defend them and find work-arounds.
Why is buying an Apple iPod is any different than buying an MP3 player laden with Microsoft DRM?
Re:If Microsoft did this.... (Score:2)
No one is forcing you to buy an iPod (Score:2, Insightful)
The iPod was the only Apple device I'd considered buying in about 20 years. (I learnt my lesson from the way I was treated with my last purchase which was an Apple IIe). Its this sort of nonesense that means I won't do it. Other players
unless Apple breaks find.... (Score:2, Informative)
Little perl script if you don't use OSX/Win32/WINE (Score:2)
http://www.darkridge.com/~jpr5/src/icopy.pl [darkridge.com]
Specify a search pattern and it will copy from the iPod to a specified destination any song whose Title, Album, or Artist matches the search string.
--jordan
What about Playcounts, Playlists? (Score:3, Informative)
It's another ordeal entirely to copy the related Playcounts, Playlists, and groupings from a well-groomed iTunes database.
To get everything, just use iPodRip (PC/Mac).
How about using "cp" in the Terminal !!! (Score:3, Informative)
Anyone who halfway knows their way around a *nix machine could do this with their eyes closed.
For those of you who do not, enable "Hard Disk Usage" on your ipod via iTunes. Unmount/mount your ipod. Open your terminal and "cd" into the music folder of your ipod, located in your devices directory. Google search how to copy directories in any *nix environment and you're all done.
No need for someone else to write you a pretty GUI, after all you read /. so do it yourself through the terminal.
Off topic but I'm interested (Score:3, Interesting)
It's pretty obvious it's possible to do this on the iPod, but Apple won't release SDKs for it. Are there any players that will let you program them to achieve such a thing?
precedent set with other players (Score:3, Informative)
My first mp3 player was the Rio500. This device inspired a lawsuit against the maker, Diamond Multimedia, because the RIAA claimed it would enable piracy. The case was thrown out of court, but just to cover their asses from additional legal challenges, Diamond disabled the capability for files to easily be copied from the player back to a computer.
A few months ago I just upgraded and bought an iPod 40gig. I really appreciate it over my Rio500. I am disappointed that I can't easily transfer music from the player to my computer, but I can understand their rationale.
Open Pod (Score:4, Informative)
Open Pod is an applescript for iTunes that builds a playlist from the files on your iPod, which you can then copy to your music library. This thing saved me hours of re-ripping when I deleted all the music from my hard drive to save space, not knowing that I "couldn't" copy the music back from my iPod (I was an iPod newb when this happened). I don't know if this works in Windows. I would guess not...
Why are they making it so complex?? (Score:3, Interesting)
How to get DRM off your music (Score:3, Informative)
cp `find /Volumes/iPod -name "*.mp3"` / (Score:4, Insightful)
One Liner (Score:5, Informative)
find . -name "*.mp3" -exec cp {}
That will copy all the MP3 files to some temporary place. Then just drop the folder on iTunes (make sure you have the "let iTunes keep your music organized" option turned on) and it will copy everything nice and neatly to your music library.
Make it a perl script (Score:3, Informative)
So I encourage... someone... to turn the binary patching stuff into a nice, easy perl script. :-)
Another perspective: region coding (Score:4, Informative)
Has anyone considered that Apple actually made it rather easy to do this?
Had they been the real evil corporation that Apple-haters tend to want to cast them as, they could quite easily have arranged for something like byte scrambling to take place as the music tracks transferred from iTunes to the iPod.
Then, getting the data back to the computer from an iPod would have been a lot harder.
It reminds me of the early days of DVD players:
Re:USB Storage Device? (Score:2)
Re:USB Storage Device? (Score:2)
Why not? They're just files. Unless Apple has changed it drastically since I last tried my brother's IPod, the music files are stored there with random file names. Which is not a huge problem, since the mp3tags are still present, and most decent music software can rename the file based on the mp3 tag.
Re:USB Storage Device? (Score:2)
Re:USB Storage Device? (Score:4, Informative)
Sure, you could just copy F19/*.mp3, if you want. Then you could re-create all of your playlists. There are just easier ways.
Re:stupid ipods (Score:2)
Well all those advertising companies don't have my information, and I don't get bombarded by even more flyers every day trying to sell me things.
Everyone will sell out for a price, I guess that a "free" iPod is a high enough price for a lot of people...
Re:stupid ipods (Score:2)
It's not like anyone would give them a real email or phone, right?
Legitimate how? (Score:2, Insightful)
If he stated he didn't like the interface, I could understand - I would disagree, but I know there there really is not going to be an interface that pleases everyone. If he stated he was displeased with sealed batteries, again you could argue about if they were good or bad but
Re:Confused (Score:2, Informative)
It's analogous to having two partitions on the iPod, the normal iPod/iTunes parition and the straight up firewire/usb partition. Only music imported through iTune