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Warezed SoundForge Files In Windows Media Player 1001

An anonymous reader writes "German PC-Welt magazine reports that Microsoft used an illegal copy of SoundForge 4.5 (Google translation) for editing Wave files shipped with Windows Media Player. You can check that yourself by opening any file in the [Windows location] \Help\Tours\WindowsMediaPlayer\Audio\Wav\ folder in notepad or other editors of your choice and looking at the last line. There you will find a reference to SoundForge 4.5 and also a user called 'Deepz0ne' who happens to be one of the founders of an audio software cracking group called Radium."
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Warezed SoundForge Files In Windows Media Player

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:46PM (#10803898)
    "Do as we say, not as we do."
    • by Squareball ( 523165 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:48PM (#10803925)
      With all the BILLION$ of dollars M$ has they can't even pony up the money for Sound Forge? Good god. If I was still running a pirated copy of windows I'd feel very vindicated.. but now I run a mac so..
      • by Justus ( 18814 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:50PM (#10803950)
        Yeah, nice justification! They did something wrong so that means I can do it too!
        • by 0x461FAB0BD7D2 ( 812236 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @10:05PM (#10804464) Journal
          Nope, they did something wrong means that they can't tell me not to do it.
      • The real lesson (Score:5, Insightful)

        by zakezuke ( 229119 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:23PM (#10804217)
        With all the BILLION$ of dollars M$ has they can't even pony up the money for Sound Forge?

        Have you tried getting management to buy the software required for a project? At times it's damn near impossible. You have a deadline and your request is moving at the speed of bureaucracy. Finally you say *fuck it* and get the damn software. This becomes a vicious circle when management asks, "Oh you didn't need us to buy this software before why do you need it now? Just do what you did before."

        I'm not saying this is good or bad, this is just the way it happens. Management holds no accountability because it's their job to be a dumb ass. Being a dumb ass isn't illegal and saves the company money. They didn't pirate the software, some peon did.

        • Re:The real lesson (Score:5, Interesting)

          by Erik Hollensbe ( 808 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:35PM (#10804293) Homepage
          I agree. Also, with the ubiquity of "fat clients", often times developers don't even bother to ask - they "demo" software long before they buy it.

          It's easy to blame it on the managers, but the developers don't help by inflating the problem, promoting the piracy of software where an actual demo would have been more fruitful.

          Dev: "Hey, I signed up for a demo of this. I put your email address in the form."
          Manager: "Ok."
          (2 weeks later)
          Dev: "I need this whiz-bang feature that the demo doesn't support. I won't be able to continue until I get it working."
          Manager: "Write up a PO and put it on my desk."

          Often times, that'll get you software by the end of the week. It's worked for me many times... Where as the alternative (which I have done), normally gets the response, "we already have it, why do we need to buy it?".
    • by mesach ( 191869 )
      I have always replied to that saying with

      Lead by Example.
  • by Last_Available_Usern ( 756093 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:46PM (#10803904)
    Optimist's response: Maybe they were waiting for their activation code. Pessimist's response: They knowingly stole it. Realist's response: Even Microsoft has no use for MS Sound Editor.
    • Re:A few angles... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mgv ( 198488 ) <Nospam.01.slash2 ... minus threevowe> on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:51PM (#10803962) Homepage Journal
      Optimist's response: Maybe they were waiting for their activation code. Pessimist's response: They knowingly stole it. Realist's response: Even Microsoft has no use for MS Sound Editor.

      The question it rasises is how much other stuff is in windows that has IP violations? The answer is: Nobody knows. Probably not even MS know, and a nobody else is in a position to analyse it. By the time it gets found and publicised, its been in the operating system for a long time.

      • Re:A few angles... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by kfg ( 145172 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:37PM (#10804301)
        The question it rasises is how much other stuff is in windows that has IP violations?

        And the answer it provides is that the idea that closed soure software somehow becomes magically free of stolen or infringing code is fallacious.

        At best it provides the bliss of ignorance, but an ignorance difficult or impossible to correct.

      • Re:A few angles... (Score:4, Informative)

        by terraformer ( 617565 ) <> on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:42PM (#10804333) Journal

        I am NOT an MS apologist but they were saying that the wav files shipped with windows media player were created and/or edited at some point with a warezed copy of sound forge. Not that warezed compiled code was shipped with windows...

        ie; (no pun intended) this is like them compiling windows with a warezed version of Borland's compiler, not like distributing Borland's compiler.

      • Re:A few angles... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by rwebb ( 732790 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @11:35PM (#10804896)
        The question it rasises is how much other stuff is in windows that has IP violations?

        I've managed to get out of the IT/Windows side of things and more into embedded development, but, once upon a time...

        I do recall that there used to be an admin kit that could be installed with NT 4 (yeah, this goes back a ways) that included a "better" command line interface and some typical tools like vi.

        For some now-forgotten reason I "stringed" the vi executable and on the inside it was vim [].

        Much to my surprise (not) the "About" box listed only MS developers and MS version info -- not a word about the vim project.

        So no, it's not the first or only time that MS has "embraced" foreign code without proper attribution.
  • by wowbagger ( 69688 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:46PM (#10803905) Homepage Journal
    It's ok, though, because Microsoft has indemnified everybody (except embedded Windows users), so just be happy this didn't happen in some terrible operating system without a big, strong, virile company like Micorsoft backing it...
  • by Phluxed ( 737458 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:46PM (#10803907)
    I want to shake the hand of the guy who forgot to license it properly.
  • BSA? (Score:5, Funny)

    by molo ( 94384 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:47PM (#10803910) Journal
    Where is the BSA when you need them? :)

  • MiCRoSoFT (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:47PM (#10803915)
    MS is the leetest crew out there. They are just giving greetz to their friends at RAD

    -GRAViTY pwns j00!
  • Engrish (Score:5, Funny)

    by alphapartic1e ( 260735 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:49PM (#10803938)
    First sentence in the translated article:

    Already times on the idea come ...

    Really want makes me the article to read.
  • by RiffRafff ( 234408 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:51PM (#10803952) Homepage
    ...although, when you think about it, who knows what stolen code might be in Microsoft's software? What with it being "closed source" and all...
  • by Saven Marek ( 739395 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:51PM (#10803954)
    So when does it stop being 'opinion' that big companies don't give a shit about anyone else's "IP rights".

    We bash MS, and get MS defenders countering with idiocy that makes it seem like it's all a battle of opinion over whether MS is a big bad company or simply misunderstood, or whether MS is a monopoly, or just highly talented, whether MS doesn't give a shit about IP rights while enforcing their own or they're just working within a business realm that they need to survive.

    Sorry, It just keeps going on and on like this. MS using pirated software to develop & promote their media player. Indefensible from a company that professes to rely so much on IP, unless they're nothing but greedy hypocrites.

    I'm going with the "nothing but greedy hypocrites" thanks
    • by Martin Blank ( 154261 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:06PM (#10804111) Homepage Journal
      It may well have been one impatient user. There's at least one in every company I've ever been at. Usually we just chuckle at them behind their backs and do what we can to make sure proper licensing procedures are followed (including changing admin passwords where necessary and hoarding new software behind locked doors) when there's no one willing to fire the person. The company ends up paying for the software in most cases as it's supposed to, but if an audit were ever done, a few software keys wouldn't quite match up even though the counts would be roughly correct.
    • by TiggertheMad ( 556308 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:11PM (#10804148) Homepage Journal
      ...Or some guy just liked using his cracked copy of SF, and brought it into work to use.

      Before you go running off all bitter and self-righeous, you might want to consider the difference between the coporate management and the average joe schmuck employee.

      This isn't MS being hypocrites, it is an employee breaking company policy and bringing in outside sofware.
      • by abb3w ( 696381 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:39PM (#10804314) Journal
        ...Or some guy just liked using his cracked copy of SF, and brought it into work to use.

        ...or took did some work at home, and brought the results in to work. He may not have brought in outside software, but only data manipulated by outside software.

      • What difference? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Featureless ( 599963 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @10:20PM (#10804539) Journal
        There is no difference. Repeat after the BSA. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE. Your joe schmuck employees == your corporate managment == your entire company.

        When it's Microsoft's precious "IP" in question, there are no excuses. This is not speculation, this is not opinion, this is a trail of tears weaving back and forth across the country with literally thousands and thousands of people and business, big and small, who lost a few of their holograms, that can vouch.

        When Microsoft has its pet army of jackbooted thugs (the BSA) "auditing" the daylights out of you (or your elementary school, or your police station, or your old folks home) they don't buy this excuse. It doesn't matter if you bought those 5 computers used and the seller didn't give you the stickers. It doesn't matter if some 2 week contractor who didn't even speak English warezed Office _and_ stole a box of white out, it's still your business' problem, guilty until proven innocent, "Civil and Criminal Penalties," $500,000 for each count, etc etc... You're still staring down the barrel of a devastating lawsuit or a "relicensing" on extremely favorable terms...

        So yes, duh, absoloutely PLEASE run off and for the record we are not nearly bitter or self-righteous enough.
      • BSA audits (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Ender Ryan ( 79406 ) < > on Friday November 12, 2004 @10:23PM (#10804549) Journal
        Ok. Next time your company gets audited by the BSA(another beast we can thank MS for), and they find one or two pirated copies of software, that employees installed without authorization, and use that as justification to charge you for the audit, to the tune of several millions of dollars, remember what you just said today.

  • No Meaning! (Score:5, Funny)

    by mpoulton ( 689851 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:51PM (#10803964)
    But moment once who or which is " Deepz0ne "? (no meaning)!

    Tell me about it! I have that problem all the time, man.

    Methinks machine translation is still in its infancy.
  • by xstonedogx ( 814876 ) <> on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:51PM (#10803965)
    Already times on the idea come, one with Windows XP installed WAV file with the editor to open? That makes nevertheless nobody - Microsoft will have imagined, nevertheless innumerable WAV files on the computer and those lie are to to listen to and to do not look at there.

    Off-topic me all you want, but what's the point of providing a Google translation of these things. It's like posting an article and expecting no one to RTFA.

    Oh, wait...
  • Big Deal. (Score:5, Funny)

    by sirrube ( 622137 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @08:53PM (#10803988) Homepage
    That was in response to the developers of SoundForge using a warzed copy of windows.
  • by colonslashslash ( 762464 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:02PM (#10804074) Homepage
    Windows Systemverzeichnis we became fuendig

    Yes, those damn systemverzeichnis! We all get very fuendig when dealing with them.

    For listening to MP3s the Windows codec was correct, but it offered only limited Encodierungsfunktionen

    Its a well known industry fact that lack of Encodierungsfunktionen causes loss of sound quality.

    Then one sees first only letter salad

    Mmmm ASCII salad. Goes great with chicken and a glass of red wine so I'm told.

    That might only in talking moon for the Windows the Media Player responsible person

    Ummm... moon wha?

    The statement of Microsoft is still pending, times sees, what says Microsoft for this.

    It's true! German Yoda does exist! And he's working for a PC magazine. I knew it!

  • by pyrros ( 324803 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:06PM (#10804105)
    This just in:

    According to Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple: "The most common format of audio files on an windows system is 'warezed'." He appears convinced Apple will lead the way in Digital Rights Management and also believes Apple will steal a march on Microsoft in making the digital home a reality because Microsoft "doesn't have the volumes". "There is no way that you can get there with Microsoft. The critical mass has to come from the iPod, or a next-generation video device"
  • by Animaether ( 411575 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:13PM (#10804160) Journal
    Just for kicks, do a content search on all *.wav files on your drive, searching for the string 'deepz0ne'.

    You may run across more hits. That doesn't necessarily mean that the author of the software they came with used a cracked copy of SoundForge.

    For example, the Digital Eel game "Dr. Blob's Organism" demo has the deepz0ne string in "powerdn.wav", but doesn't have it in any of the others. That makes me think they probably just grabbed a sound effect off of a (presumably) royalty-free sound effects library (CD/DVD/online), and that particular sound effect happened to be authored or modified in a warez version of SoundForge.

    Similarly the mediaplayer sounds... whose are they, really ? Were they authored/modified by an MS Employee ? If not - where does MS's responsibility come in ? Do -you- check every asset you acquire in good faith belief to see if they may have been touched by a cracked piece of software ?
    • by IamGarageGuy 2 ( 687655 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:26PM (#10804239) Journal
      Good point except for the fact tha MS is supposed to check. They are the ones that are being high and mighty on the subject. Remember that MS has leagues of lawyers both checking and enforcing IP and using any resources within their power to enforce. This is a big egg-on-face fiasco. I don't double check royalty-free stuff but I am not distibuting software in the same scale as MS nor have the same resources and rightuous indignation.
  • by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt@nerdflat.cBLUEom minus berry> on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:19PM (#10804195) Journal
    Seriously... how is a company, _ANY_ company, doing something like this remotely funny?
  • by MsGeek ( 162936 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:26PM (#10804238) Homepage Journal
    The guy who started Sonic Foundry and was the original writer of the SoundForge program got his start at Microsoft. A lot of his work for MS wound up in the multimedia code for Windows 3.11 and Windows95.

    Fine way to thank him, MS. I hope Sony takes MS to the cleaners over this.
  • by ( 816752 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:26PM (#10804241) Homepage
    That senator who said physical damage should occur to anyone's computer that had illegal software/music/movies on it? And does anyone remember when they found some JavaScript on his site that was used without permission?

    Good times.
  • Does this mean that every file I've created with my (legal) copy of Sound Forge, registered to me, gets distributed with my name embedded in it? What other programs do this? I already know that MS Office docs do -- but I never suspected Sound Forge of something like this.

    Software authors/distributors should be required to disclose exactly what personal information is distributed in files which are created with that product. As much as I like to stick it to M$, Sonic Foundry, now Sony, is the one I'm concerned about here.
  • by Murphy(c) ( 41125 ) on Friday November 12, 2004 @09:57PM (#10804412)
    On a hunch I converted my entire MP3 collection into waves and ran a search for 'deepz0ne'.

    And guess what, all the Mettallica [] tracks were made with a pirated copy of Sound Forge. Bastards!

  • by LaminatorX ( 410794 ) <> on Friday November 12, 2004 @10:25PM (#10804558) Homepage has reported today that Sonic Foundry auditors have decended on Redmond Washington like an army of cossaks searching for pirated copies of Sound Forge and checking that each computer has a valid liscence for any Sonic Foundry software present on the Microsoft campus.

    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was quoted as saying, "Well, we consider this a valid liscencse enforcement practice, so I guess we have to put up with it. We're just glad noone ran 'strings' on our TCP/IP stack for 'Regents of the University of California.'"

When it is incorrect, it is, at least *authoritatively* incorrect. -- Hitchiker's Guide To The Galaxy