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William Shatner Pitches 'Starfleet Academy' Show 564

Tycoon Guy writes "TrekToday reports that William Shatner recently pitched an 'Academy' show to Paramount. The series would feature teen versions of the Classic Star Trek characters Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and be set at Starfleet Academy. The studio turned Shatner down, but he's not letting go of the idea: Pocket Books has asked him to write a two-novel series based on the 'Starfleet Academy' concept. Also, Shatner apparently went over the head of Trek head honcho Rick Berman to pitch his idea straight to the head of Paramount - maybe after Enterprise ends and Berman leaves the franchise, the studio will be more inclined to listen to Shatner?"
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William Shatner Pitches 'Starfleet Academy' Show

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:20PM (#12067580)
    Beer me up Scotty!
  • Tekwars (Score:5, Funny)

    by Neon Spiral Injector ( 21234 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:21PM (#12067581)
    I wonder if Shatner will use the same ghost writer this time?
    • Re:Tekwars (Score:5, Insightful)

      by nametaken ( 610866 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:31PM (#12067755)
      I wonder if Shatner will use the same ghost writer this time?

      So long as he doesn't sing the theme song.

      Seriously though, I'm glad he went over that douchebag's head.
    • quote "Presumably, the Reeves-Stevenses are again co-writing these novels with Shatner."

      hum... interesting ain't it :)
    • by sgant ( 178166 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:57PM (#12068058) Homepage Journal
      Did Shatner play him or something in an obscure show and it's an "in" thing to bring it up? Kind of like bringing up Cat from Zero Wing?

      I mean, come on! Shatner will always be known for one character and one character only: Denny Crane!
  • Academy.. (Score:4, Funny)

    by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:21PM (#12067585) Homepage Journal
    William Shatner recently pitched an 'Academy' show to Paramount.

    Um.. I read this and immediately had a disturbing vision

    The series would feature teen versions of the Classic Star Trek characters Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and be set at Starfleet Academy.

    Ah, not what I thought, but not exactly a thrilling concept.

    The studio turned Shatner down, but he's not letting go of the idea: Pocket Books has asked him to write a two-novel series based on the 'Starfleet Academy' concept. Also, Shatner apparently went over the head of Trek head honcho Rick Berman to pitch his idea straight to the head of Paramount - maybe after Enterprise ends and Berman leaves the franchise, the studio will be more inclined to listen to Shatner?"

    Maybe if he pitched it as a reality show, a la The Apprentice. That might be entertaining...

    • Re:Academy.. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by jeremy111 ( 95134 )
      The series would feature teen versions of the Classic Star Trek characters Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and be set at Starfleet Academy.


      But isn't Spock like x00 years old? So when the humans are teens, say 30 years younger then Mr. Spock would still be x00 - 30 and still not a teen. But this is crazy. As much as I like the StarTrek universe I think the series should be put on hold (remember in the 80's) to allow our minds to become interested in the shows again.
    • Re:Academy.. (Score:3, Informative)

      by Reignking ( 832642 )
      Shatner has a reality show starting Tuesday night, called Invasion Iowa, where he convinces an entire town that he's filming a movie there. It is on Spike TV and is from the creators of the Jow Schmoe Show.

      The Iowa town is the town the Captain Kirk is supposedly from...
    • by wankledot ( 712148 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:33PM (#12067779)
      "Maybe if he pitched it as a reality show, a la The Apprentice. That might be entertaining..."

      Nowthat qualifies as a disturbing vision. What would a bunch of trekkies be fighting for the chance to be? Captain of an imaginary starship? Chance to date a woman? A shower? Associate producer of the next doomed Trek series?

    • by fm6 ( 162816 )
      I share your lack of enthusiasm -- but then, I'm burned out by all things Trek. The concept is totally worn out, and deserves to be retired.

      That said, I can't rule out the possibility that Shatner's concept might result in something worth watching. I'm not a fan of teen angst shows, which is another genre that's been done to death. But all genres you see on TV -- cop shows, medical shows, workplace comedies, household comedies -- have been done to death. TV doesn't have the courage to try anything really

  • yea!!! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ArsonSmith ( 13997 )
    That has to be the worst idea I've ever heard.
    • Re:yea!!! (Score:3, Insightful)

      by MrLint ( 519792 )
      Berman = bad producer
      Shatner = bad ideas

      sounds like we should keep these guys together not separate. mebbe trek can be killed once and for all.
      • And I didn't hate Enterprise. While I wouldn't so much as say I liked it I did watch every episode except 1 and 1/2 due to sports overtime screwing with my tivo getting it.

      • Re:yea!!! (Score:5, Funny)

        by Rei ( 128717 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:31PM (#12067754) Homepage
        Come.. now......... It has long been.. recognized.. that William Shatner is an actor, of amazing... talent, a talent that simply dwarfs... all of the rest of his contemporaries. Who.. else.. could have figured out that the way to display.. ultimate.. pain, is to half kneel, and thrust your elbows as far forward as... physically.. possible.. ?
    • I agree.

      So they'll listen to crap like this, and not even let J. Michael Straczynski pitch? I really hope the next Trek series is the one he already planned out on his own. He's proven and has done fantastic work with B5 and Jeremiah (and more), and understands how to tell character driven stories (which was a major strength of the original Trek, even if the characters were overdrawn). It'd be nice if they let real writers like him run the show.

      (Okay, so they let Manny Coto run Enterprise for one seaso
  • Hey Bill? (Score:4, Funny)

    by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman@gmaYEATSil.com minus poet> on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:21PM (#12067587) Homepage Journal
    Just let Kirk die already!
    • Re:Hey Bill? (Score:5, Informative)

      by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman@gmaYEATSil.com minus poet> on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:27PM (#12067683) Homepage Journal
      Just to add to my own post:

      The series would feature teen versions of the Classic Star Trek characters Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and be set at Starfleet Academy.

      This doesn't make much sense. From the series,we have a very strong impression that Spock and Kirk met for the first time on the Enterprise. (Note the use of "the". That "other show" sounds stupid without it.) The episode that firmly established Pike's command before Kirk's only bolsters the feeling that Kirk inherited Spock instead of hand picking him as he probably did with Bones.

      In short, this sounds like a very fanboyish concept. Let JMZ take the helm and we'll see if the old girl still has any antimatter left in the ol' warp engines.
  • Love his style (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NormalVisual ( 565491 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:21PM (#12067598)
    You gotta give Shatner credit for totally dissing Berman like that. :-)
    • Re:Love his style (Score:3, Interesting)

      by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) *
      No offsense, but noone takes Berman seriously anymore. Even Paramount has been less than cooperative with him as of late. Honestly, the guy must have a lifetime contract or something, because he should have been fired YEARS ago.
  • by kin_korn_karn ( 466864 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:21PM (#12067601) Homepage
    "They're tiny, they're toony,
    they're all a little loony"
    • by Tackhead ( 54550 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:42PM (#12067902)
      > "They're tiny, they're toony,
      they're all a little loony"
      And Sunday afternoony,
      We're invading UPN!
      Rick Berman's adventures,
      Complying with the censors,
      With schedule misadventures,
      It's Starfleet Academy!

      So here's UPN, where crappy bling bling makes for art,
      Black sitcoms and reality shows - it's like FOX, but dark!
      We're spitting invective, the phasers are defective,
      The franchise isn't dead, Jim, but it's lost. it's. heart.

      (Kirk's toupee's from Wal-mart.)

      • Thank you, man. That made my day.

        Incidentally - was it Animaniacs or Tiny Toons that introduced Pinky and the Brain? I'd think the Brain would make an acceptable Trek villain. Hell, look at "Nemesis" and "Insurrection" - compared to that tripe, he'd make a *superb* villain.
  • So who would write the books?

    No, really, who would write them for Shatner?
  • by Nijika ( 525558 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:21PM (#12067605) Homepage Journal
    I think Shatner is by far, by far, my favorite Trekker. He's got a sense of humor about himself and his work, yet he's not even remotely afraid to take chances.
    • by Timesprout ( 579035 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:23PM (#12067636)
      yet he's not even remotely afraid to take chances

      Based on some of the things he's done I think thats more complete lack of an embarassment gene rather than lack of fear.
    • by GuyMannDude ( 574364 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:41PM (#12067881) Journal

      I think Shatner is by far, by far, my favorite Trekker. He's got a sense of humor about himself and his work, yet he's not even remotely afraid to take chances.

      Really, I think that's a bit shortsighted. Shatner has only become that way in the last decade or so. Prior to that, he's tried to distance himself from the Trek fans as much as possible. Compared to how much he has benefited from Trek fandom, Shatner has given very little back. Contrast this with George Takei, Deforest Kelly, or Jimmy Doohan who have always been big supporters of Trek fandom. In a previous message [slashdot.org], I talked about how Jimmy Doohan took it upon himself to use his fame to help a single fan back to health. Shatner would never do anything like this -- then or now. I'll admit that Shatner is likeable but that's been a recent thing. Read Takei's book sometime and listen to the shit that Shatner used to do. Shatner didn't even show up at Roddenberry's funeral, for chrissake!

      You're entitled to your opinion but I'm baffled how you can consider him a Trekker at all, let alone your favorite.

      GMD

      • by Monkelectric ( 546685 ) <{slashdot} {at} {monkelectric.com}> on Monday March 28, 2005 @03:10PM (#12068211)
        has given very little back

        Seriously, star trek actors dont owe anyone anything. Being famous is not that great, trust me. Everyone wants to tell you what they love you, that you suck, or bask in your reflected glory. It gets OLD. You just wanna be a normal person who can goto pizza hut without a love fest from pimply teenagers.

        About ~20 years ago I was (a kid) at the San Diego wild animal park. And Richard Pryor happened to be there. Everyone was nuts over him. He was in the gift shop looking at some mugs or something and everyone was running outside telling their friends to come gawk at richard pryor buying gifts. I felt so sorry for him and I was 8 at the time.

      • by Dachannien ( 617929 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @03:48PM (#12068634)
        Contrast this with George Takei, Deforest Kelly, or Jimmy Doohan who have always been big supporters of Trek fandom.

        Doohan refused to appear on Futurama reprising his role as Scotty, which is why he got replaced by the fake character Welshie. [gotfuturama.com]*

        On the other hand, Shatner was willing to poke fun at his own hubris:

        Nimoy: Melllvar, you have to respect your actors. When I was directing Star Trek IV, I got a magnificent performance out of Bill because I respected him so much.
        Shatner: And when I directed Star Trek V, I got a magnificent performance out of me, because I respected me so much!

        (* Site has anti-deep-linking measures in place - copy and paste link)

  • Oh God.. (Score:5, Funny)

    by doormat ( 63648 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:22PM (#12067609) Homepage Journal
    The OC meets Star Trek. May God save us from such garbage.

    (Its not like the women's starfleet uniforms are all that revealing anyways)
    • Re:Oh God.. (Score:3, Funny)

      by mmkkbb ( 816035 )
      That can be changed. Ever heard the word "retcon"?
    • Re:Oh God.. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) * on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:27PM (#12067691)
      "(Its not like the women's starfleet uniforms are all that revealing anyways)"

      You forget: If we're going back to the early days of Jim & Co, we're going back to the days of miniskirts and green slave women. :)
    • Re:Oh God.. (Score:3, Funny)

      by Erbo ( 384 )
      Well my first thought was, "Oh, spiffing! Now it's Star Trek: 90210! Could they possibly run the franchise any farther into the ground?"

      Fortunately, WFS got turned down...someone at Paramount must have had a sudden onset of senile sanity.

  • So (Score:5, Funny)

    by aftk2 ( 556992 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:22PM (#12067615) Homepage Journal
    Which one of them will be doing all of the crazy sound effects? And what about the crazy gun nut? "Tackleberry!"

    On a more sobering note, I find it deeply disturbing that I was able to remember this much about Police Academy, at a moment's notice.
  • Oh boy! (Score:2, Funny)

    by nizo ( 81281 ) *
    I can't wait to see scenes of their youth, like Kirk giving Spock a wedgie in gym class as well as the true origin of McCoy's nickname (something about him and a knothole in a fence next to the soccer field).
  • Let it die. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nberardi ( 199555 ) * on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:23PM (#12067632) Homepage
    I think, as sad as it might be, that StarTrek has really come to an end. It has had a good 50 some odd years of episodes. Let it die with at least some dignity.
  • ...the idea would be better served in the pre/post TNG/DS9 time frame and with new characters....perhaps with camio here or there from the established charaters.
  • Star Trek 90210 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by snuf23 ( 182335 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:24PM (#12067647)
    This is a horrible idea. Just what would be needed to completely kill off the franchise. How about a whole show full of Wesley Crusher teen angst in a Federation uniform.
    Visually it would be hard to jive with the old series, and having actors who are trying to potray the old characters might lead to pure campiness.
    Ok so now everyone can tell how it would be great if they did it right - but come on people, you KNOW they wouldn't do it right.
    I'm just hoping whatever new series comes out has Shatner singing the theme song. Hell, just have him sing the lyrics to the orignal theme from the '60s series.
    • Re:Star Trek 90210 (Score:3, Insightful)

      by 0123456 ( 636235 )
      "How about a whole show full of Wesley Crusher teen angst in a Federation uniform."

      Bah. Just think about all those hot teenage girls in those tiny little skirts...
    • Re:Star Trek 90210 (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jfengel ( 409917 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:35PM (#12067806) Homepage Journal
      Yeah, they'd botch it. Not gonna argue with you on that one.

      I agree that trying to make the old characters synch up would be hard. Star Trek is never about the 22nd/23rd/24th centuries; it's always about today. So having "young" Kirk have more mature attitudes (by our standards) than "old" Kirk would be disconcerting.

      Besides, they'd have the same problem that they did on Enterprise: you can't place a character in real jeopardy if you already know that they survive. That's supposedly why they renamed T'Pau to T'Pol. Personally, I'd have loved to have seen the great leader of Vulcan as a young woman, to see what made her great, and screw the suspense factor, but they saw it otherwise. And then wrote absolutely nothing interesting for her to do.

      Still, I like the idea of setting a series at Star Fleet Academy. There are a billion ways to do it wrong, and only a few to do it right, but there are some good opportunities there. Just like both Voyager and Enterprise had good opportunities that rotted behind unimaginative plotting, ratings-grabbing, and a failure to understand what Trek really is.

      So, sadly, as a Trek fan from before the proliferation, I gotta agree: let it rest.
  • by Aggrazel ( 13616 )
    Maybe paramount would pick up the show if Shatner let them name their own price ...
  • I'm surprised Paramount turned this down. Sure, it'll be 90210 set in space, and it will be crap to Trekkies. However this is the exact type of teenage soap opera drama they run on UPN all the time.
  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:26PM (#12067669) Homepage
    I think it'd be hilarious. Let's get a bunch of Star Trek addicted weirdos together in a trailer home or something like that and watch them interact and stuff. I think it'd be utterly memorable and hilarious. And when they start speaking in Klingon, there could always be subtitles right?
  • by MrJerryNormandinSir ( 197432 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:27PM (#12067688)
    Frat parties with green slave girls and rumulan ale.
  • You killed my concept...

  • by zymano ( 581466 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:27PM (#12067697)
    All these new teen shows on the alternative networks are the big ratings getters because of 'teen girls'. Purely a niche play.

    I think he is putting money before the vision of Rodenberry.

    Maybe he will have a ton of models be the crew. Should get good ratings for a while until teen girls viewers get bored by scifi which takes about a year for these demographic shows.
    • Are you insinuating that someone would actually get tired of looking at teen girls? That is like saying "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad"
    • by N8F8 ( 4562 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:52PM (#12068011)
      I used to hate Superman. I liked Batman and human superheros better. What kind of a turtured soul can you have when you can't even be hurt? How about being uncorrupted by ultimate power? No, Smallville gets it right. Internal conflict between a evil destiny and being raised with a apple pie morality. Good stuff. It also helps explain his relationship with Lex Luthor.
  • Not a bad idea (Score:4, Interesting)

    by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:28PM (#12067701) Homepage
    Why is everybody so quick to knock this idea? I'd say the main problem is that it doesn't make much sense to have Kirk, Spock, etc. all hanging out at Starfleet together. For one thing, presumably the universe was a much smaller place before the Enterprise's original five-year mission. For another, we all know Spock served with Christopher Pike before Kirk came on board, so what's to suggest that he and Kirk were old school buddies?

    Instead, why not do it with new characters? The only problem there is getting all the horrible "Next Generation" style moralizing out of it and keeping every character from being a different version of Wesley Crusher (jock Wesley, flirt Wesley, misunderstood loner Wesley, etc.) Hell, if you did it right, you could even bring back Wesley as an Academy instructor... why not?

    Not sure I'd actually watch such a show, mind you, but it certainly doesn't sound any worse than the crap that's been passing for Star Trek in recent years.

  • Also, Shatner apparently went over the head of Trek head honcho Rick Berman to pitch his idea straight to the head of Paramount

    Dark Helmet: You went over my helmet!!!!!

  • by Ducati_749S ( 646019 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:28PM (#12067707)
    While top officials at Paramount were unavailable for comment at press time, William Shatner has released this official statement in regards to Paramount's dismissal of his show concept:
    "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN"
  • Pitch Man (Score:3, Funny)

    by scottennis ( 225462 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:28PM (#12067708) Homepage
    I heard that one of the futuristic features of the Starfleet Academy was that you could name your own price for tuition.
  • by Nastard ( 124180 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:29PM (#12067716)
    I can't get behind that.
  • Skip the Kirk/Spock tie-in and stick with the major premise:
    There are a number of coming-of-age shows on TV right now that are well accepted (if not well done). Hospital shows about young doctors in training, for example. So long as it is more like a military academy drama setting sans the militaristic feel, and not like "Police Academy", I think it could fly.

    -- Scott
  • I get visions of Tom and Jerry Kids, Tiny Toon Adventures, Muppet Babies, Teen Titans and other tv shows re-hashed with the characters as younger versions of themselves when I picture this. Teen Trek maybe? :P
  • Would be to have the show Star Fleet Academy feature new young characters and to have some of the old characters as instructors and guest lecturers/characters. (Picard, Spock, etc.)

  • It sounds like their kind of show [cartoonnetwork.com].
  • There's one PC video game where Shatner did an actual appearance before a Starfleet Academy class, and there's one line I still remember him saying: "Space is boring."

    While this is a true statement (no one cares about a probe getting there), I think it also describes the general state of the Star Trek franchise. Teen versions of Kirk, McCoy and Spock would like the animated TV series that came in 1970s, interesting but still boring.
  • by EarwigTC ( 579471 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:32PM (#12067760)
    It's like Muppet Babies. Only preachy and more farfetched.
  • No no no no no!!!! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MagicDude ( 727944 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:32PM (#12067768)
    Do NOT do a prequel to the TOS cast. If enterprise has taught us anything, it's that trying to write history to canon is full of pitfalls, and the nerds will never forgive even the smallest of errors. You'll also run into the problem that people had with enterprise in that the technology looked more advanced than TOS, simple because computer graphics were more advanced.

    Also, it's a bit of a stretch to presume that all the TOS cast would be at the academy together. Kirk and Spock maybe, but all the junior officers are much younger than Kirk, Spock, and Bones (McCoy would have been at starfleet medical anyway).

    An awesome show would be an academy show during the dominion war of an unknown group of cadets. So rather than being a futuristic "Saved by the Bell", you can follow these cadets in some of the extended duties they would have had to undertake during the war. We could even see how the attack on Starfleet Headquarters happened, since we only saw the aftermath in DS9.

  • Rumour has it that Shatner is using the working title: "Starfleet Academy 90210"

    This came as a last minute change to his previous title: "Starfleet High" (which network executives saw as "far too obvious a bid" to pot-smoking trek fans).

  • teen versions? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by LordNimon ( 85072 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:36PM (#12067818)
    The series would feature teen versions of the Classic Star Trek characters Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and be set at Starfleet Academy.

    Considering the vast age differences and career paths (before joining on the Enterprise) between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, I seriously doubt they were in Starfleet Academy at the same time.

    Also, I would think that Starfleet Academy would be like other military academies, which means most of the student population would not be teenagers, but that's just a nit.

    I do believe, however, that this would make a great replacement show for Smallville, once that gets cancelled.

  • by metoc ( 224422 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:40PM (#12067866)
    I personally think that J. Michael Straczynski should have a go, he pulled off B5 on a shoestring. See his comments here http://www.joeuser.com/Forums.aspx?ForumID=10&AID= 65211 [joeuser.com]. Imagine what he could do with Paramounts financing and marketing muscle.

    Like wise I would like to see Jose Whedon thoughts and Quentin Tarantino's ideas. Even Jonathan Frakes has demonstrated enough talent as a director and producer with Roswell to put together a good team.
    • Like wise I would like to see Jose Whedon thoughts

      Is that the Mexican non-union equivalent of Joss Whedon?
  • Age differences (Score:3, Insightful)

    by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:40PM (#12067868)
    Teen versions of McCoy and Kirk? Aren't their characters like, 20 years apart in age?

    Now, I don't know the details, but isn't Spock like, older than all of those (using the "every race is longer lived and better than humans" rule that applied to all sci-fi fantasy since forever, especially those with pointy ears)?

    Get around that crap, and the idea is actually pretty cool. Well, I think so. More tech gadgets, little to no combat, all people stories...

    Or maybe we'd just watch as the group bravely runs around to bars after school hours, attempting to bravely go where no man has gone before...
  • by Telastyn ( 206146 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:47PM (#12067964)
    Really. It'd be interesting to see a non-federation ship as the primary vessel. Better yet, make it a klingon mercenary ship to give them more plot oppertunities. Less goodie goodie prime directive, more honor.
  • I like trek but... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Doverite ( 720459 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:47PM (#12067969)
    Lets just let the whole thing be done and do something new. The problem with the trek universe is the TREK UNIVERSE every time someone tries to do something new it conflicts with the history or the prime directive or what someone thinks aught to be done. I say start fresh and different.
  • by sampson7 ( 536545 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:49PM (#12067986)
    One of my favorite Star Trek books, called The Kobayashi Maru [amazon.com], involved several of the main characters re-telling stories of their academy days. It is really a compelling little book and extremely well written.

    Several of the stories focus on the Kobayashi Maru doomsday scenario that's referenced in one of the Star Trek movies, but several deal with other aspects of a Star Fleet Academy education.

    If Shatner had this type of material in in mind then the project might actually be worth while. Anyway, it's a great read for any Star Trek fan -- the author really captures each character's own nuances.

    Just remember, it can't be any worse than the first (and for me, last) episode of Enterprise.
  • Off topic (Score:4, Funny)

    by Get Behind the Mule ( 61986 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @02:59PM (#12068093)
    Just found this: An endless loop of Shatner shouting you-know-what [khaaan.com].

    Just open it up in a separate window and let it play in the background all day long.
  • by MrMagooAZ ( 595319 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @03:04PM (#12068155)
    If Shatner's efforts at Star Trek V are any indication, he should stay far, far away from the creative process of any show.
    • Exactly, I sometimes wonder if he's ever actually seen the whole original series. Some of the things that happened in that movie were so out of character (for the characters) that at the point where Kirk orders Spock to shoot / kill Sybok that I wished I had walked out. He doesn't seem to have any real feel for the characters, not even his own.

      Star Trek as a TV series has just about exhaused all possibilites and just needs to take a break. I've actually been afraid of where Star Trek has been going, s
  • by Gondola ( 189182 ) on Monday March 28, 2005 @03:38PM (#12068531)
    Star Trek is a very large body of work encompassing many years, many cultures, and many interesting locales. Like Stargate, it's a framework that allows a writer to do whatever he wants.

    Personally, I think the Star Trek still has a lot of potential left in it, but it's the writers, the actors, the directors, and the producers of any given project who will determine whether a new franchise is worth anything.

    Sometimes that mixture has to age a bit before it matures enough for all of those ingredients to start working together. Star Trek TNG was embarrasingly overacted and rough in its first few episodes, perhaps even the first season or two -- but it eventually grew to be a favorite of mine. Enterprise was decent entertainment, and was getting better. I didn't like Kate Mulgrew, so I couldn't enjoy V-ger. DS9 was too political for me, but from all accounts it also matured with age and became something worth watching. However, the Trek movies are an exercise in nostalgia and CGI, and I despise them for their cheap tricks and bland plots. Although I really didn't care for the TOS-cast movies when they came out, they at least had character and substantial plot. The TNG-cast movies just seem to be blah excuses for a lot of CGI and routine plots.

    I think a Starfleet Academy could be a great series if done well. It all depends on how the casting, writing, directing, etc work out. I don't think it's a good idea to feature the big characters from ST:TOS, however. Perhaps their younger selves, maybe even via CGI, can be featured in cameos or whatnot. If they went back and tried to put Kirk and Spock as major characters in a new series, it would be an exercise in nostalgic masturbation.

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