Kevin Smith Previews Revenge of the Sith 621
Eugenia writes "Kevin Smith, the well-known actor/director, was invited by George Lucas to a special advanced screening of the upcoming 'Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith' film and he wrote down his take on the movie. There are some serious spoilers in his article but it's interesting to see his reaction, as a director and Star Wars fan."
His biggest problem with the film (Score:2, Funny)
Re:His biggest problem with the film (Score:3, Interesting)
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READ IT!!! (Score:2, Informative)
I would. It starts:
"Revenge of the Sith" is, quite simply, fucking awesome."
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:READ IT!!! (Score:4, Insightful)
I get the feeling the review was more directed at the existing fans that were disappointed by those 2 movies, saying they probably won't be disappointed this time.
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:5, Informative)
Bullshit.
He's been making it up as he goes along from the beginning. For example: Leah being Luke's sister was an idea which came to him when he was 2/3 done writing "Return of the Jedi." He needed something to piss off Luke enough to tempt him with The Dark Side during his duel with Vader, and making Leah his sister (and having Vader threaten to go after her) seemed to him like the perfect way to get there, so the cryptic "there is another" line from "Empire" becomes a line about Luke's sister.
Even Star Wars itself was revised several times during the storyboard phase. He certainly did not think at the time he would ever go back and make the prequels. He just wanted to start with an episode 4 so it would have the feel of the old Flash Gordon serials he grew up on.
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:3, Informative)
A long time ago, in an incestuous galaxy (Score:5, Funny)
I especially like when Luke tells her and she says she always knew.
Yeah? Even when you were frenching him!? You sick weirdo!
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
And this is a bad thing why? Are you saying that once something reaches the storyboard phase that the storyline must be set in stone at that point?
What if somebody has A Great Idea that changes something for the better while shooting a scene? According to your logic, the director's obligated to say, "Sorry, but the storyboard says it's gotta be like this. Your suggestion would make it 100% better, but the storyboard..."
*harum
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:5, Interesting)
He also said, after Return was released, that he had a prequal storyline, but he wasn't going to do it for years because there were a lot of things he wanted to do that the fx of the day couldn't do, and that he wouldn't do the prequal until the start of the art fx work caught up to what he wanted to do.
Yes, I know it's fun to bash and denigrate and trash an icon. If you don't believe me, see how much fun you had doing it in your post. But it doesn't work when there are people who remember his original comments in interviews that are pre-web, so theyr'e not likely to be found in Google, and those comments basically say a lot about the two movies we've already seen.
Yes, Star Wars was revised. How many plot points were changed (other than Han not firing first)? How many of the changes were adding shots and scenes that were too expensive to include when it was originally shot -- or, in the case of the Jabba/Han scene in the first one, a scene that didn't contribute directly to the storyline of the particular film it was in (that scene, in it self, should show you that Lucas had planned more than we originally saw).
Re:READ IT!!! (Score:5, Funny)
i mean, god, why did it have to have the same characters and plot and from the other movies, i saw The Two Towers, like, a whole YEAR before it came out, why did i have to remember every single little detail, like, who the short guy was, or why that ring was important, or who the long haired scruffy guy was? that's retarded!!!!
Spoiler (Score:4, Funny)
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No he doesn't... (Score:3, Funny)
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I've never seen HG2G used before.
Re:Reading the book... (Score:4, Interesting)
First Jedi mind trick (Score:3, Funny)
Re:First Jedi mind trick (Score:5, Funny)
Slightly off topic, but I know people reading this thread would be the only ones to understand. I swear I actually had somebody try a Jedi Mind Trick on me in real life. I had a guy come into my liquor store and when I asked for ID, he said in a perfect dismissive way, "You don't need to see an ID. You can just take this money for the beer." It was so close to Obi-Wan in Mos Eisley that I couldn't help laughing. Unfortunately for him though, it didn't work.
Didn't we see this already (Score:3, Insightful)
Here's where I play Devil's advocate. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think Ep. III will profit from a nice convergence of the older fans (of the originals) with the younger guys who haven't seen Eps. IV-VI.
That is why (IMO) Lucas put in Jar Jar and started from Anakin's little-boy days. Not to appease the adults who wanted to know about Vader's past, but to attract new, much younger fans. Now that he's attracted an extra demographic and they have grown, he can tell all of us about the Anakin->Vader metamorphosis. He didn't aim Episode I or even II at you or anyone remotely similar. He wanted an extra fanbase/profit source. This time, I think, us older fans shall be pleased, since we have lower expectations from I and II. He'd better; it's his last decent chance to. That's what I see.
Re:Here's where I play Devil's advocate. (Score:4, Insightful)
"Lucas! That bastard! He killed my childhood!"
Now that's art.
I don't trust him (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I don't trust him (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I don't trust him (Score:3, Funny)
Seriously though, even if RotS is every bit as dark and well-written (and freakin' well-acted please!) as one could hope, am I the only one who is beyond giving a damn?
Looking at the last 2 from Lucas, it would be like having a 3-course meal where the final dish was fantastic but the first 2 gave you projectile-vomiting food poisoning. No real way to salvage the meal.
If I do see it, it'll be the DVD rental. A $5 rental for the entire family is all I'm willing to risk.
Re:I don't trust him (Score:5, Funny)
Expect a total letdown.
Jar Jar? Check.
Hayden Cristensen? Check.
Cartoon Yoda? Check.
Yup, it's gonna suck. I pity tha fools.
Re:I don't trust him (Score:4, Funny)
He got the idea from the Enterprise run.
Re:I don't trust him (Score:2, Funny)
Re:I don't trust him (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I don't trust him (Score:5, Interesting)
In general though, I think I can trust Smith's take on Episode 3. The guys a died in the wool geek who's work includes writing on comics like Green Arrow and Daredevil. I'm not saying I like everything he's done, but I respect his geek cred and feel that this review is genuine. That's more than I can say for most reviews I read.
Re:I don't trust him (Score:4, Interesting)
Spoiler Free summary? (Score:2)
Re:Spoiler Free summary? (Score:4, Informative)
1000x darker than Empire.
Way dark.
He also said this is the movie the haters have been waiting for since Phantom.
Re:Spoiler Free summary? (Score:5, Funny)
Somebody should turn up the gamma, then.
Re:Spoiler Free summary? (Score:2)
1000x darker than Empire.
Way dark.
Is it.... Doom 3 dark?
Re:Spoiler Free summary? (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like instead of going into the theater, Kevin Smith accidentally wandered into a broom closet with a burnt-out light bulb and hung out eating a big tub of popcorn for two hours.
hard to summerize (Score:2)
basicly: it's very dark. not much fluff - a lot of evil - kevin loved it.
Re:Spoiler Free summary? (Score:5, Informative)
All in all, I think the review was okay, but don't trust Kevin Smith after Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. I saw that movie and wanted my money back. Haven't seen anything new of his since.
Kevin says..over and over (Score:4, Funny)
I hope it aint so dark as not to see its flaws!
*ducks*
Re:Kevin says..over and over (Score:2)
It must have been based off Doom 3.
An alternative review (Score:4, Funny)
My evaluation? The movie excellent, the post-parody so so, I have better dialogs as Silent Bob.
-Kevin Smith
WTF? (Score:2)
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Slashdotting Clerks-style (Score:5, Funny)
Biased review (Score:5, Insightful)
Isn't he slated in a production role for the upcoming TV series?
I would take the review with a few grains...
Re:Biased review (Score:3, Insightful)
My thoughts exactly. I'd treat this review with as much credit as if Lucas had written it himself.
Hey, I got an idea! Let's get the director of The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy to write a review of his movie! I wonder what he'd think of it?
Spoiler that eases the mind... (Score:5, Interesting)
At flick's end, Threepio and Artoo are given to Captain Antilles (with the caveat that the Protocol's memory be wiped).
Count me as one fan that's really glad that this little detail was included - I was wondering how they were going to deal with Threepio and R2D2 not recognizing Obi-Wan and others they had met in the prequels. Kind of makes Obi's reaction to seeing the droids in EP4 seem a little more mysterious too, even though that probably wasn't the intention when EP4 was shot ("I don't recall owning any droids").
Re:Spoiler that eases the mind... (Score:2)
Re:Spoiler that eases the mind... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's R2D2's story isn't it? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:It's R2D2's story isn't it? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Spoiler that eases the mind... (Score:3, Interesting)
spoilers (Score:3, Insightful)
Personally, I think most of the hate directed at the previous two, Jar-Jar comments aside, was a media invention. Things get repeated enough and people start to believe it. I'm sure the same thing will happen this time around to some degree, but this is seriously the movie that fans have been waiting for. The previous two were sort of procedural. Sure, it's great to see where Anakin comes from, but admit it -- what you really want is to see him kill children.
hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:5, Insightful)
True in general, but in this case, it's because those films kind of stank.
I'll list a few specifics
I'm sorry, the Geoge Lucas of the 70's knew about pacing. Episodes IV, V, and VI were very fast and snappy. Episodes I and II just dragged terribly. I'm hoping that III picks up the pace a bit.
Re:hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:5, Funny)
Remember, that was before the introduction of Admiral Akbar.
Re:hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:3, Informative)
But Lucas only directed Episode IV. V and VI were only produced by him.
Re:hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:4, Interesting)
I've often thought the same thing. In fact in many of the "Making of Star Wars" documentaries it was pointed out how unusual it was for so much attention to detail be paid to models and special effects and then have them fly across the screen in an eye-blink. He wanted it to look cool, but not get wrapped up in pointing out how cool it looked. This definitely changed with the prequels.
Also, I think it was a function of money and timing. There was never enough of either (until ROTJ) to really give Lucas full reign on "implementing his vision" and for the most part that actually worked in favor of the films being tight, fast-paced and exciting. Just look at what he's done with the re-releases and you'll see why sometimes being creative under tremendous pressure gets better results.
Re:hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:3, Insightful)
Annakin saves the queen's ass twice (first with the pod racer, then by blowing up the droid control ship). She's a god-damned queen and she never sends anyone back to Tatooine to buy Annakin's mother out of slavery? And Annakin still loves her. WTF?!
Re:hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:5, Insightful)
They had the better part of an hour to tell the love story (half of the film was devoted to that story arc) that's not a small amount of time. The real question is why was it not interesting enough to be the better part of the film? Surely if they bothered to write an interesting love story instead of ther hackneyed and forced one that they did, they could have devoted more time to it without issue.
What you're really saying is: it is a shame that the love story was so badly concieved and written that even the limited time they spent on it seemed like a waste.
Jedidiah.
Re:hate of eps I and II was quite genuine (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes. Emphatically yes.
The main thing I hated about the first episode (and the second) is that it's just so rife with unnecessary anachronisms from OUR world... ones completely lacking from the first trilogy. Phantom was filled with bad Jackie Chan b-movie accents, racist overtones and accents both middle-eastern and carribean, a stupid two-headed pod-race announcer that practically screamed "SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!", and worse.
The original trilogy did nothing of the kind. Alien races were truly alien, speaking alien tongues and having *created* cultures... not lame parodies of racist stereotypes as in the first two episodes.
Phantom Menace would have been vastly improved by putting as much time and effort in creating the new aliens and their languages and cultures, as they put into Padme's gowns.
Additionally it would have been nice to see any sign that Darth Maul was really evil. Oh sure, he LOOKED evil enough, but other than fighting when Obi Wan and Qui Gon attacked him, he really didn't do much that showed us who he was... unlike how the character of Darth Vader was built in the first movie.
Absolutely Right -- Lucas Media created the Hate (Score:4, Insightful)
Absolutely right, it is a media invention, invented by none other than Lucas when he created the two abominations that are Star Wars Episodes I and II.
I own the Ep I DVD (stupid me for buying the thing sight-unseen despite the negative comments here and elsewhere). I was spared spending money on the second one by watching the first half hour or so on a friend's box (that person had downloaded it about a week before SW came out in theaters). It was so bad, that by the time we got to the wooden Natilie Portman talks to Annikan scene we quit watching and deleted the file.
Last night, after watching SW Revelations, I tried watching Episode I again just for the FX eye candy. Again, the writing, acting, and storyline were so bad, I couldn't finish it. I'd forgotten how truly awful it is.
I liked Star Wars--but not anymore. This isn't some "Liberal Media Conspiracy" any more than the exposure of Tom Delay's congressional corruption is. The hatred for the new Star Wars movies (Jar Jar included) is derived solely from the absolute feces George Lucas has chosen to foist upon his fans in place of an actual Star Wars movie. It's a shame so many fans are willing to accept such drivel, for that lowers the bar on any future SW creations (and truth be told, even at its best the bar was never THAT high to begin with)...which means we can only expect the same or worse. Fan Fiction films like Revelations excepted--that was truly remarkable: a low budget film with a better storyline, better acting, and better execution than the last two Lucas movies (FX excepted, and even there they did an excellent job).
mirror and comment (Score:3, Informative)
The mirror is here [networkmirror.com].
TFA text (spoilers and all) (Score:5, Informative)
You've been warned...
- "Revenge of the Sith" is, quite simply, fucking awesome. This is the "Star Wars" prequel the haters have been bitching for since "Menace" came out, and if they don't cop to that when they finally see it, they're lying. As dark as "Empire" was, this movie goes a thousand times darker - from the triggering of Order 66 (which has all the Shock Troopers turning on the Jedi Knights they've been fighting beside throughout the Clone Wars and gunning them down), to the jaw-dropping Anakin/Obi Wan fight on Mustafar (where - after cutting his legs and arm off, Ben leaves Skywalker burning alive on the shores of a lava river, with Anakin spitting venomous sentiments at his departing mentor), this flick is so satisfyingly tragic, you'll think you're watching "Othello" or "Hamlet".
I saw a gorgeous digitally projected version of the flick, and lemme tell ya': this is a beautiful looking film. The opening space battle sequence is the best in any of the six "Star Wars" movies. Grievous and Kenobi's lightsaber duel is bad-ass, with Grievous rocking four sabers. The Clone Wars end rather early in the flick (about the halfway point), leaving the rest of the film to concentrate on Anakin's turn to the Dark Side, and the resulting slaughter of the Jedi.
Perfect example of how dark shit gets: remember the Younglings - the kid Jedis in training from "Clones"? As a result of Order 66, when Anakin invades the Jedi Temple with an army of Clone Troopers, he enters the Council room to find a gaggle of said younglings hiding behind the seats. They see Anakin and emerge, asking "What should we do, Master Anakin?" The query's met with a stone-cold Anakin firing up his lightsaber. The next time you see the kids, Yoda's sifting through their corpses on the floor.
Yes, it's just that dark - and rightfully so. This is the birth of Darth Vader we're talking about. The only comic moments in the flick are given to R2D2, and while good, they're all pretty few and far between; the order of the day is dark, dark, dark.
Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor steal the show, but Hayden Christensen silences any naysayers who wrote him off as too whiney in "Clones". This is the flick that feels closest to Episodes 4, 5, and 6, because - for the first time since "Return of the Jedi" - there is a clear villain. And for all the shadow-play Palpatine has been upto in the last two flicks, his treachery is about as subtle as John Williams' score in "Sith." Whether he's slowly drawing Anakin toward the Dark Side during an opera/performance art piece with his promise of the Sith's power of life over death, or he's engaged in a balls-to-the-wall lightsaber duel in the Senate with Yoda, his "Little, green friend" (his words, not mine - which I kinda dug, because, interestingly, I think it's the first time anyone's acknowledged that Yoda is green in any of the "Star Wars" flicks), this is the Emperor's movie.
The last fifteen minutes dovetail nicely into Episode 4 (or just plain "Star Wars" for you non-geeks), and the movie is full of link-up moments as well.
- At flick's end, Threepio and Artoo are given to Captain Antilles (with the caveat that the Protocol's memory be wiped).
- The twins, natch, are split up. Leia heads to Alderann with Bail Organa, and Obi Wan hands Luke over to Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru (indeed, the closing shot is Owen holding Luke while looking out over the setting suns of Tatooine - mimicking the shot of the adult Luke doing the same in "Star Wars", complete with callback cue from Williams).
- After he succumbs to the Dark Side, Anakin tries to convine Padme that he can overthrow Palpatine, and together, he and Padme can rule the galaxy as husband and wife.
- Vader and the Emperor stand beside a younger Grand Moff Tarkin on the bridge of a Star Destroyer, overlooking the earliest construction stage of the Death Star.
- Yoda telling Obi Wan that, as he heads to Tatooine to hand over Luke an
None Shall Pass... (Score:3, Insightful)
the jaw-dropping Anakin/Obi Wan fight on Mustafar (where - after cutting his legs and arm off, Ben leaves Skywalker
Did he mention anything about it being merely a flesh wound?
Part of the article (Score:2, Informative)
Well, this is what I found.
It's just the beginning of the full article but atleast it confirms wether Kevin likes or dislikes the movie.
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20046 [aintitcool.com]
Hopefully someone will have a real mirror up soon.
Mvh: Ezel
Summary without Spoiler (Score:5, Informative)
"Revenge of the Sith" is, quite simply, fucking awesome. This is the "Star Wars" prequel the haters have been bitching for since "Menace" came out, and if they don't cop to that when they finally see it, they're lying. As dark as "Empire" was, this movie goes a thousand times darker...
For those who don't want spoilers... (Score:5, Informative)
Not only is the production quality really high, but apparently they also go retro in a few scenes so as to provide a tie in to Episode 4.
Evidently the action and dialog run much less awkwardly than in previous movies, and the plot is extremely dark. There is less comedy and more drama. They deal with some pretty heavy subject matter.
But let me reiterate. Kevin Smith is raving and drooling about this movie. My hopes have been suitably elevated. Now, I'm off to preorder a ticket.
For those who want sarcasm... (Score:5, Insightful)
So Kevin Smith, known fanboy, and in line to get the TV series writing job from Lucas, reviewed it and liked it? Well, I'm satisfied.
I'm sure if it sucked he would have objectively told us so, without fear of reprisal from his dark master!
Spoiler Free Version . . . (Score:3, Informative)
You've been warned...
- "Revenge of the Sith" is, quite simply, fucking awesome. This is the "Star Wars" prequel the haters have been bitching for since "Menace" came out, and if they don't cop to that when they finally see it, they're lying. As dark as "Empire" was, this movie goes a thousand times darker (spoilers removed), this flick is so satisfyingly tragic, you'll think you're watching "Othello" or "Hamlet".
I saw a gorgeous digitally projected version of the flick, and lemme tell ya': this is a beautiful looking film. The opening space battle sequence is the best in any of the six "Star Wars" movies. (General Spoilers Removed)
Perfect example of how dark shit gets: (very cool, very dark spoiler removed).
Yes, it's just that dark - and rightfully so. This is the birth of Darth Vader we're talking about. The only comic moments in the flick are given to R2D2, and while good, they're all pretty few and far between; the order of the day is dark, dark, dark.
Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor steal the show, but Hayden Christensen silences any naysayers who wrote him off as too whiney in "Clones". This is the flick that feels closest to Episodes 4, 5, and 6, because - for the first time since "Return of the Jedi" - there is a clear villain. And for all the shadow-play Palpatine has been upto in the last two flicks, his treachery is about as subtle as John Williams' score in "Sith." (Spoilers Removed)
The last fifteen minutes dovetail nicely into Episode 4 (or just plain "Star Wars" for you non-geeks), and the movie is full of link-up moments as well.
(Spoilers Removed)
Look, this is a movie I was genetically predisposed to love. (spoiler removed). Now, twenty six years later, I finally got to see that long-promised battle - and it lived up to any expectation I still held. I was sad to see the flick end, but happy to know it's not the end of the "Star Wars" universe entirely (I've read stuff about a TV show...).
"Sith" doesn't happen; "Sith" rules.
Are they really spoilers? (Score:2)
Yeah, I suppose that there will be many who want to go see the movie truly not knowing what happens until they see the "one true" version of it. To my tastes you really can't spoil a movie by telling me what happens; as Roger Ebert says a movie is never about what it's about but how it is about it.
Re:Are they really spoilers? (Score:4, Funny)
Bah, Kevin Smith (Score:3, Insightful)
Plus, Episode I and II were so bad, if this is even halfway-decent, it's going to seem like a fucking masterpiece.
I'm still expecting it to suck. I don't see how it can't.
Would he have said it sucked? (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm not going to this one. Lucas keeps putting crappy movies out there, and I keep going. If I go to this one, it's over, and Lucas wins every time. This is my last chance not to fall for the same old con.
boycotting (Score:4, Funny)
If one day my curiosity gets the better of me, I'm sure someone I know will have it on DVD.
I'll have to be pretty drunk though. It's hard to watch Lucas continually bludgeon the already-dead body of my childhood fantasies. Episode 1 had way too much CG, and Episode 2 was like watching a warthog romancing a peacock.
I AM INVINCIBLE! (Score:5, Funny)
Anakin: None shall pass.
Obi Wan: What?
Anakin: None shall pass.
Obi Wan: I have no quarrel with you, young padiwan, but I must cross this bridge.
Anakin: Then you shall die.
Obi Wan: I command you as your teacher to stand aside!
Anakin: I move for no man.
Obi Wan: So be it!
Obi Wan cuts off Anakin's left arm.
Obi Wan: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
Anakin: 'Tis but a scratch.
Obi Wan: A scratch? Your arm's off!
Anakin: No, it isn't.
Obi Wan: Well, what's that then?
Anakin: I've had worse.
Obi Wan: You liar!
Anakin: Come on you pansy!
Obi Wan cuts off Anakin's right arm.
Obi Wan: Victory is mine! We thank thee Force, that in thy mercy...
Anakin: Come on then.
Obi Wan: What?
Anakin: Have at you!
Obi Wan: You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
Anakin: Oh, had enough, eh?
Obi Wan: Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left.
Anakin: Yes I have.
Obi Wan: Look!
Anakin: Just a flesh wound.
Obi Wan: Look, stop that.
Anakin: Chicken! Chicken!
Obi Wan: Look, I'll have your leg. Right!
Obi Wan cuts off Anakin's leg.
Anakin: Right, I'll do you for that!
Obi Wan: You'll what?
Anakin: Come 'ere!
Obi Wan: What are you going to do, bleed on me?
Anakin: I'm invincible!
Obi Wan: You're a loony.
Anakin: The Dark Side always triumphs! Have at you! Come on then.
Obi Wan cuts off Anakin's other leg.
Anakin: All right; we'll call it a draw.
Obi Wan: Come, Patsy.
Anakin: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastard! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!
Spoilers? (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's see, what do we know from 4-6. Darth Vader is Luke's father, and Leia is his sister. Obi Wan took Luke to Tatooine to live with Uncle Owen after Darth Vader took out the Jedi. The Emperor is bad, and he's the one who turns Anakin into Darth Vader via the Dark Side.
So that means in Episode 3, that there's going to be a pair of twins born, Obi Wan's going to take one of them to Tatooine, lots of Jedi will be killed, and Anakin's going to be put back together to become Darth Vader by the Emperor.
And that pretty much sums up exactly what the review says. Basically, it would appear to completely connect what has happened in 1 and 2 with 4-6. The review does point out a couple of plot elements to show just how dark Ep3 is going to be, and how much he liked it, but I don't think they'd ruin it for anyone.
There still are spoilers... (Score:3, Insightful)
The biggest surprise... (Score:5, Funny)
Nnnnnnnneeeeeeeeerrrrrrrdddssss!!!!!! (Score:3, Funny)
The Truth of the Matter (Score:3, Insightful)
The truth of the matter is this:
We're all going to go see the damn movie! Some of us will go because we like Star Wars, no matter what the plot (or lack thereof); we like shit blowing up and sword fights. And FX. Lot's of 'em. Some of us will go to see if the movie is good. Others to see if the movie sucks.
Either way, we're all seeing the movie and Lucas hears the bells of cash registers ringing in his head.
A little Jedi humor (Score:5, Funny)
On a bright sunny day on Mustafar, Obi-Wan Kenobi was taking a pleasant stroll around the lava river. He spots an armless and legless Anakin Skywalker and, moved with pity, he asks young Skywalker if there's anything he can do for him. Skywalker replies, 'well, I've never been hugged before'. In response, Kenobi gives Anakin a big ol' bear hug and satisfied with his good deed, continues on his pleasant stroll around the river. He come back around to the place where Anakin lay and decided to ask him if there was anything else he needed. To this, Anakin replies, 'well, I've never been kissed before'. Kenobi thinks for second, and though a little hesitant, gives Anakin a peck on the forehead. He leaves again, satisfied. He comes back around a third time and again, asks Anakin if there's anything he wants. Anakin says "well, I've never been fucked before!" and so Kenobi picks him up, throws him in the lava river and shouts 'now you're fucked!'
This is why I love Smith (sort of spoilers) (Score:4, Insightful)
Love his work or hate it, the man is unquestionably a true geek.
A blowjob from one has-been to another (Score:3, Interesting)
Both Smith and Lucas once made decent movies and then were completely destroyed by their egos which were much bigger than their talents. The moment of destruction for each of them came when they thought they knew marketing.
Lucas made some decent action flicks but then he reaslized that he made more money on toys than movies, so he decided "gee, why don't I substitute a three hour toy and video game commercial for my next movie". Never did he realize that people don't enjoy paying $10 to see a commercial.
I used to like Smith a lot because he made good movies about teenagers, something that is very rare. But then he too decided he knew about marketing. He decided to make "grown up" movies that are more "serious" and "intelligent" so he can target a bigger demographic and get more respect in hollywood. And then, when everybody told him point blanc that his movies suck, he said : "you are so immature, why don't you like my deep intelligent movies". SOrry Kevin your movies are not intelligent, they are fucking stupid. All he does is bring up controvercial subjects (lesbians!, race !, bitchy women !, that are lesbians!) that are guaranteed to get him press without having anything remotely intelligent to say about them. Don't get me started about the whole Ben-JLo thing. Smith pretended he was an innocent victim of that disaster (counting of course on Americanss' notoriously short memories). Well I am one American that remembers shit and let me tell Smith engineered the whole fucking thing himself and then scheduled 2 movies in a way so he can take advantage of it. (afterwards when the scope of the disaster was obvious to everyone, he rescheduled the movies so they don't open within the same two month period). There he goes again thinking he knows about marketing. Thinking that he can make a huge blockbuster movie by manipulating the public perception.
There is one thing about modern marketing -- if you are into it you must hate people. It is a requirement for the job. The premise of modern marketing is that people are dumb sheep whoose opinions can be molded like slabs of clay. And you can easily see from their movies how both Smith and Lucas hate their fans. Just watching their movies you see them talking down to you. Well George, Kevin people are sometimes not as stupid as you take them to be, and we tend to notice these things.
And now Lucas has very little credibility left (Smith essentially has none)so now Smith tries to make himself look better by attempting to lift Lucas out of the swamp. Ain't gonna happen -- I will never see either of your movies again. There are too many good movies nowadays to waste my time on you two.
Calibrate the reviewer (Score:3, Funny)
Major Spoiler Alert! (Score:4, Funny)
Anakin becomes Darth Vader!
Leia and Luke are twin babies of Anakin and are snuck away to separate locations far far from home.
Anakin falls into a volcano - but lives - barely.
And Yoda gets arthritis.
Ok, I made that last one up
Here you go (Score:4, Funny)
You've been warned...
- "Revenge of the Sith" is, quite simply, fucking awesome.
[Spoilers removed]
"Sith" doesn't happen; "Sith" rules.
Re:article text (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The Baby might have to wait! (Score:4, Funny)
(mind you, the green skin coloring, pointy ears and dimunitive side will be rather permanent unlike most infants he shall not grow much taller)
Re:The Baby might have to wait! (Score:3, Funny)
Your wife is due? Is the a pre-arranged marriage or something? Arranged WAY in advance!
Oh, you mean your baby is due...
never mind...
Re:Spoilers? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Spoilers? (Score:3)
Asked which idea came first... Anakin or Luke, Lucas explained the genesis of the series, " There was originally to be one film , I wanted it to be Episode IV of a serial (maybe out of 12 or something) that you would never see the first or last episodes of. That's what happened in the '30s, you had trailers, and a short cartoon, and then a cliffhanger. That serial-style is what Star Wars is based on."
"I started with Anakin Starkiller and his two kids, then I got to a dra
Re:Who is Kevin Smith (Score:3, Interesting)
Whose opinions you trust is up to you. I trust him to have an opinion and be intelligent about it.
here [imdb.com] you can decide if you would trust his opinions or not from seeing what his other works are.
Cheers
Re:So they wipe the minds of C3PO and R2D2... (Score:3, Insightful)
I was initially bothered by this as well, but I've decided it was just Ben being coy about what was happening. After all, last he had heard (being on the furthest point from the bright center of the universe) the Jedi Knights were being hunted down and killed. Couldn't be possible that he migh
Your confusing "acting" with "story hole". (Score:5, Insightful)
But it doesn't.
Ben (Annie's old MENTOR) rescues Annie's SON who is accompanied by the droid that Annie BUILT and another droid from Ben's past when he fought and almost KILLED Annie.
And the only reaction Ben shows is
No interest in HOW that particular droid got there.
No concern that a droid built by a planet destroying maniac with a personal grudge against him just showed up on his doorstep.
Seeing the kid isn't something new. Ben knew that Luke was there and why.
Seeing C3PO AND R2D2 show up SHOULD have caused a reaction.
EVERY
JEDI
KILLED (except 2)
Yet no reaction. None at all.
Here, let me give you a movie scenario and you can fill in the emotion.
Back in our hero's past, he had fought against the bad guy and the bad guy had killed all of our hero's family. Our hero knows the car the bad guy drives. Our hero rescued the bad guy's kid and hid him away in another city.
Then, one day, the kid shows up at our hero's apartment in the city. Our hero looks outside and sees
Our hero says
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Right. The ENTIRE dialogue sequence is wrong in ep#4 when you've seen ep #1-3.
That's just like the old "parsec" non-explanation.
Re:Your confusing "acting" with "story hole". (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, I read the novelization before seeing the movie. To me, I didn't feel that I was spoiling anything as another poster upthread said because we all know what happens. Plus, I like going in to the movie ahead of time with a rough outline of the story because I can keep an eye out of the artistic differences between the two versions. (Not to mention that, in the inevitable case of having to relieve myself of the Uber-Big Gulp soda, I know exactly when boring conversation will be onscreen that I can dispense with.)
Anyway, the book goes to great lengths illustrating that Obi-Wan's Jedi training and nature allow him to remain emotionally distant from things that occur around him. There are plenty of cases in the book when a "normal" person would be stricken with grief, despair, terror, surprise, etc, and Obi-Wan takes it in stride, confident in the Force and his ability to serve as a channel for the Force. (Chapter 15 comes to mind, particularly)
Given that, I don't think it's so amazing to see Obi-Wan fail to react to the droids presence in Ep4. Obi-Wan's deep faith in the Force is enough that, as Yoda hints in the novel, the Force will bring them all together when the time is right. He probably looked at both droids and thought, "Welp, it's a sign from the Force, let's roll." I mean, seriously, think about the confluence of coincidence that brought the droids to Tatooine in the first place. Shoot, the droids were with Leia (there's more detail there in the book which has been already mentioned elsewhere on here, but I won't repeat, which explains Threepio's memory loss), on the other side of the galaxy practically, and just happened to be flying over Tatooine when the ship was attacked, just happened to crash on Tatooine, just happened to be collected by the Jawas, just happened to be sold to Luke when the original droid he bought just happened to crap out on delivery, etc. If that's not the Force orchestrating everything (in Obi-Wan's mind) I don't know what is.
And, just so you know, the one time that Obi-Wan did have a major emotional reaction was when he discovered how many and how some of the Jedi were killed. And even then, Yoda bitch-slaps him a bit for his reaction, and he recovers.
It's all good. Admittedly to our common sense it seems like crap, but it's covered with a reasonable backstory once you read the novel.
Best,
Londovir
PS All the "This is xxxxx at this moment" in the novel get a little old, though...read it and you'll see what I mean...