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iPod nano, iTunes 5, iTunes Phone 815

adpowers writes "Lots of updates today on the Apple front. First we have the iPod nano, which is an iPod photo-esque replacement for the iPod mini. It comes in 2 and 4 gig varieties and is half the thickness of the mini it replaces. A new iTunes is release as well, which looks similar to I'm not sure I like the cosmetic changes. It also touts an improved search bar, but I can't find an explanation of what that means. Finally, Apple, Motorola, and Cingular announced the ROKR E1, which has the iTunes on a cellular phone. (Theorized last week.) It syncs with iTunes just like an iPod." Coverage of the Apple news extravaganza available at The NYT, Forbes, Gizmodo, Mobiledia, and Macworld.
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  • by fredrickleo ( 711335 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:47PM (#13502084) Homepage
    ...well it just might :)
    • Imagine if you will (Score:3, Interesting)

      by CKnight ( 92200 )
      My bluetooth enabled car not only linking to my phone to give me handsfree capabilities, but also streaming audio directly to the stereo system.

      BMW has (at least) one model car that interfaces with your ipod, so the thought isn't that far fetched.
      • by Tycho ( 11893 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @05:02PM (#13503562)
        There is a specification for transfering stereo audio over Bluetooth. I have a Bluewave from Macally, which is a set of Bluetooth headphones with a Bluetooth transmitter for an iPod. With a headphone extension cable the transmitter could be used with anything with a headphone jack. There are several problems with the Bluewave. One is that both the transmitter and the headphones each uses two AAA batteries which isn't enough power, as the set only lasts about four hours, but that is not the fault of the Bluetooth spec. At any rate, the worst thing that happened to me was that the connection was lost and all I heard was loud static. Turning the headset and transmitter off and then back on fixed it though. On the other hand, the headset of the Bluewave has a 1/8" jack so it could be used wirelessly with a cassette adaptor in a car, but why?
    • by hunterx11 ( 778171 ) <.hunterx11. .at.> on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:34PM (#13502658) Homepage Journal
      Sorry, nope.

      It doesn't run x86 OS X.

  • by aftk2 ( 556992 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:47PM (#13502085) Homepage Journal we know why Apple's been buying up flash memory in spades.

    That iPod nano looks ridiculously slick. Heh, and although I imagine I'm going to have my geek card forcibly removed after saying this, my first thought upon seeing it was, "What happened to all the colors?" Granted, it's form over function, but judging by the amount of iPod minis that I've seen, people like the colors.

    Well, fear not: iPod nano tubes: [] Colorful iPod nano Tubes fit like a glove and offer full Click Wheel control from the outside. (Actually, as someone whose iPod sports an impressive amount of scrapes, I think this is a good idea.)

    That Apple, they think of everything. Now I'm going to go back to waiting for my Dalmation iPod nano tube.
    • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:57PM (#13502212)
      That iPod nano looks ridiculously slick.

      Apple marketing department wants you to say. "That iPod nano looks impossibly slick."
    • DalmatiAn? (Score:3, Funny)

      by acariquara ( 753971 )

      That Apple, they think of everything. Now I'm going to go back to waiting for my Dalmation iPod nano tube.

      It's called a Dogcow []. Moof [].
    • I'm sorry, but was that a comment or a press release? It's a little hard to judge from here.

      Not that I'd be one to accuse the indefectible Apple of astroturfing, no, nothing like that.
  • iHuh? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:48PM (#13502094) Homepage Journal
    "ROKR E1"? Why didn't they call it an iPhone, probably the best name among all of Apple's products? Maybe they let Motorola, which usually prefers unpronouncable alphanumeric soup, pick the name.
    • Re:iHuh? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ceejayoz ( 567949 ) <> on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:52PM (#13502142) Homepage Journal
      Considering Motorola makes and sells the phone, it's not surprising that Motorola gets to name it.

      It's not particularly nice looking, either, so Apple probably wouldn't want their style of name on it regardless.
    • Re:iDuh (Score:3, Insightful)

      by saddino ( 183491 )
      Because it's not an Apple product.

      It's a Motorola/Cingular product that has an exclusive license.

      (and regardless, according to the USPTO, the IPHONE trademark is live for at least two registered companies—both marks involve phones, natch— so Apple's claim to such a mark is tenuous)

    • Re:iHuh? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by pavon ( 30274 )
      The design of the phone doesn't match any of Apples other products either. When I heard Motorolla was building it, I expected a white RAZR [] which would be more in keeping with the current iPods and the rest of the iSomething line of products.

      This is just, well ... boring. The ROKR E1 design is definately not up to the "shit your pants" standard that Apple has worked hard to acheive.
    • Re:iHuh? (Score:5, Funny)

      by bmeteor ( 167631 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:08PM (#13502345)
      MOTO has a bit of a BRND IMGE now with TKNG five or six LTTR WRDS, removing a VOWL or two, capitalizing it and GTNG a PRDCT name. Obviously referring to the halo model, the RAZR.

      Seriously though, I'd expect a ROKR E2 soon, in a RAZR design. That'd be sweet.
  • No firewire, USB 2.0 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ce25254 ( 25706 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:48PM (#13502096)
    Nano spec says USB 2.0 only -- and no firewire -- this means I don't think I can plug it into my MDD PowerMac. :-(
    • Since it has a dock connector, I'm assuming that you just need to get a firewire/dock cable. They more or less ditched firewire as the stock connector when they switched to color screens on the regular lineup a few months ago.
      • by ashpool7 ( 18172 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:57PM (#13502215) Homepage Journal
        Look at the requirements on the tech specs page. Under "connectivity" it does not mention firewire. However, under Power and Battery it says: "Charging via USB or FireWire to computer system or power adapter"

        So, who knows.
  • by OctoberSky ( 888619 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:49PM (#13502104)
    No I am not a apple whore, I get the education discount (which they didn't ask for?). I was going to order a regular 20gig last week but knew something was coming out today so I looked, liked, liked price, and ordered.

    Free engraving on back...

    RIAA v OctberSky
    Exhibit: A
  • by Nuclear Elephant ( 700938 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:50PM (#13502113) Homepage
    iPod nano, which is an iPod photo-esque replacement for the iPod mini

    I can see strongbad promoting these now. "It's not just photo-esque. It's danger-esque."
  • iPod nano (Score:5, Funny)

    by game kid ( 805301 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:50PM (#13502120) Homepage

    Thick as a pencil and much more fun.1

    1 Do not nervously bite iPod nano.

  • Quicktime 7 for Win (Score:5, Informative)

    by GreyedOut ( 771495 ) <> on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:51PM (#13502129) Homepage
    With iTunes 5 also comes Quicktime 7 [] for Windows.
  • iPod nano (Score:4, Funny)

    by mfender9 ( 725994 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:52PM (#13502150)
    No video. Thicker than a human hair. Lame.
  • New Search (Score:5, Informative)

    by godawful ( 84526 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:53PM (#13502162)
    The new search is kinda snazzy, type a few letters and you get a little bar that lets you narrow it down by all, music, audiobooks,pod casts, videos, booklets, etc etc, certainly helpful for those with large catalogs
  • More like a Shuffle (Score:5, Informative)

    by That's Unpossible! ( 722232 ) * on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:54PM (#13502177)
    This thing replaces the ipod mini, no doubt, but really it's more the size/weight of a shuffle... very sweet. It's THINNER than the shuffle fer chrissakes!

    Size comparison:

    Shuffle: 3.3 x 0.98 x 0.33
    Nano: 3.5 x 1.6 x 0.27
    iPod: 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.63

    Weight comparison:

    Shuffle: .78 ounce
    Nano: 1.5 ounces
    iPod: 5.9 ounces
  • Theorized? (Score:3, Funny)

    by pipegeek ( 624626 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:55PM (#13502185)
    (Theorized last week.)

    It's been theorized? Awesome! I've been waiting for one of these that could play Ogg...

  • by justforaday ( 560408 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:56PM (#13502198)
    The nano comes in both white and black (see here [] and click the "black" link under the picture). Gotta say that it does look pretty nice.
  • by necro2607 ( 771790 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @02:59PM (#13502237)
    Press releases here, for those interested in more detailed information..

    Apple iPod nano []
    Apple iTunes phone []
    Motorola ROKR []
  • by ChePibe ( 882378 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:00PM (#13502239)
    My iPod Mini is just so large, bulky, and thick! It's about time Apple did something to make audio players small and portable!
  • ROKR questions (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Johnny Mnemonic ( 176043 ) <mdinsmore&gmail,com> on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:00PM (#13502244) Homepage Journal

    • Why can't you sync iTunes via BlueTooth, since the phone actually has BT? First the mini mouse, now this.
    • Will this phone be a full iSync citizen, or at least as much as other Moto phones? via BT?
    • Can you use this phone as a Cell modem? Via BT? And why is it not EDGE capable?
    • Can you sync photos via iPhoto?
    • Can you purchase ringtones via iTunes?
    I wish this was more of an iPhone, with the above features, than just some phone with iTunes slapped on it. As it is, it looks pretty half-baked, and I'm sorry to see Apple endorse it. I think I'm holding out until v 2.0 at least.
  • Disappointing phone (Score:3, Informative)

    by AC-x ( 735297 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:02PM (#13502265)
    Rather then a new take on the mobile phone Apple are simply peddling an average Motorola phone that just happens to be preloaded with an iTunes player. It doesn't even look any good (especially compared to the V3). They may as well have just made a java version of iTunes player.

    On the other hand iPod nano looks pretty cool (good in black as well), be interesting to see inside one of them (hopefully pictures should appear any moment :), I'd guess it still uses CF media but that's practically the entire height of the unit.
  • audio quality? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:04PM (#13502301)
    I wonder how it will compare to the ipod shuffle.

    I didn't believe it until I got one (as a gift) but the shuffle has the best audio quality I've heard short of an external DAC into an spdif stream. its noisy (biased transistors in output stage?) but it has actual bass and enough drive to power headphones without distorting.

    if this nano has the same audio or better, it will blow the market away for those that CARE about sound as well as the features of the player.
  • by bosewicht ( 805330 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:06PM (#13502318)
    If Apple wants to be really shocking they should start supporting Linux. There is a growing market out there that they are just ignoring.
  • by VitrosChemistryAnaly ( 616952 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:08PM (#13502344) Journal the iPod?

    'Cause if it can then I can use my computer to charge my phone and my current iPod car charger to charge the phone

    Then I wouldn't have to buy any accessories!
  • by necro2607 ( 771790 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:22PM (#13502519)
    The ROKR will be available in Canada exclusively from Rogers Wireless, according to this [] Motorola Canada site. Too bad there isn't more detailed information though. Rogers Wireless' [] site has no information on the phone or its pending availability unfortunately.
  • by sanctimonius hypocrt ( 235536 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:23PM (#13502521) Homepage Journal
    It also touts an improved search bar, but I can't find an explanation of what that means.

    Open a console and type

    dict tout
  • Not Impressed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by aluminumcube ( 542280 ) * <> on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:23PM (#13502525)
    I am totally disappointed with the Moto phone.

    - It is substantially ugly. The basic shape is OK, but then it has the vented sides and all sorts of useless depressions, lines and curves. I would have expected Apple to demand some quality ID out of Moto (and we know Moto can do it, the RAZR and upcoming SLVR are very hot).

    - The dynamics of the phone market suck for releasing new technology. Phone handsets are way overpriced for the consumer and rely on those pesky contracts. Sure the ROKR looks OK now, but how is it going to look a year from now when better stuff is available and your locked into that contract? To me, this is a major problem with the cell phone market- there are numerous technology improvements going on IRT data rates, camera quality, wireless features, design, etc... but the carrier contract lockin puts a significant strain in consumer's ability to acquire such technology at a reasonable price.

    - The capacity on the ROKR sucks. 100 songs? That's less then 512mb. If your going to lock people into an MP3 playing cellphone for 2 years, give them some real capacity and/or an SD expansion slot. Hell, the slot doesn't even need to be readily accessible, throw it behind the battery (because I don't know if iTunes can manage an iPod device with removable storage) so people can upgrade as they see fit.

    - It looks huge. I don't get it how they can make a tiny cellphone (again, the RAZR and it's upcoming SLVR brother) and a tiny MP3 player (the Nano and the Shuffle), but when you throw these devices together, you end up with a product that is bigger the the stand alone components tapped together even though the most space hogging portions are combined (buttons, enclosure).

    Apple gets how to design a product and Motorola, while they have had some success, really needs to let Apple take the lead on ID/Product design. Moto should focus on the wireless tech, dealing with the FCC and cell carriers and manufacturing.
  • by Zombie ( 8332 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:40PM (#13502727) Homepage
    There seems to be lots of confusion about this. It's a Motorola phone. In fact, it's an exact copy of my E398 [], only with "sound" now as an extra hard button instead of a soft button.

    Which means:

    • Transflash card. It's really tiny, the size and thickness of my pinky nail
    • Tri-band
    • USB 2.0, and you get to choose between it exposing the flash card as a USB disk device, or a modem. Cable included
    • Stereo speakers. It's really cool to hold it just about 20-30cm from your face and hear pretty good stereo sound
    • Earphones
    • Bluetooth, and yes, you can copy MP3's that way too
    • Groovy multi-coloured lights on both sides of the phone
    • Speakerphone
    • Camera with a powerful led instead of a flash. Doubles as a flashlight
    And the downsides
    • Sluggish user interface
    • Blurry 640x480 camera. Taking into account the previous point, when you press "capture," you get to wait 2 seconds for the snapshot to be taken
    • Buggy. Crashes on you, especially when the battery is low
    • Really bad mpeg-4 playback. The user interface stops responding when it's playing. Sound may crap out. It will only do a bitrate so low that the picture has severe compression artifacts
    • Limited functionality in BlueTooth. The only decent BlueTooth phone I've ever seen is a SonyEricsson
    • No voice recording (duh), but I'm under the impression that that's a hidden feature that you can enable with a hack
    Of course, the specs of the ROKR may vary, and the MP3 navigation is beyond a doubt better than on the E398, but it won't be far off.
  • ROKR vs. Treo (Score:3, Informative)

    by guacamolefoo ( 577448 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @03:52PM (#13502867) Homepage Journal
    I felt a tinge of regret for a nano second after seeing the iPod phone release. What's the big deal? My Treo 650 plays video, it displays pictures, it plays mp3 files (I have a 512mb card stuffed into it and could get bigger ones pretty easily), it takes pictures (not great, just VGA, but nice for a phone), and it takes movies w/ sound, which have been a nice addition to my personal blog or my family (mostly pictures of the chilluns). Oh yeah, it also works as a PDA and a phone.

    I don't see why the iPod phone is that big a deal. The Treos have been able to play mp3s for a while now. Too bad palm didn't name them r0x0rz or whatever. Apple is so about image.

    Give me a Treo any day of the week.
    • Re:ROKR vs. Treo (Score:3, Insightful)

      by solive1 ( 799249 )
      Apple is so about image.

      Even though Apple is about image, this particular case is about Motorola trying to associate itself with Apple via iTunes. The Motorola phone is not good looking at all, and the only advantage to it is that it is iTunes enabled. I, for one, won't be getting it anytime soon. Hopefully, the less discerning iPod/iTunes junkies will realize this as well (but don't bet on it).
  • Make your own ROKR (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jitterysquid ( 913188 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @04:07PM (#13503032)
    Buy iPod nano.
    Buy 5 cents of sticky velcro.
    Attach to existing phone.

    Listening to tunes won't drain your phone battery.
    Doesn't cost 250 USD (only 200).
    Doesn't tie you to Cingular for 2 years.
    About as thick as older phone models.
    Holds 5 times the songs.
    Can be undone at any time.

    Applying sticky substance to shiny new iPod.
    Everyone will point and laugh.

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )
      Applying sticky substance to shiny new iPod.
      Everyone will point and laugh.

      You forgot:

      Phone will not automatically pause music when call comes in.

      Not that the pros don't still far outweigh the cons.
  • Obligatory (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dantheman82 ( 765429 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @04:59PM (#13503546) Homepage
    Still No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    And, one other precious gem from the original []...
    Raise your hand if you have iTunes...

    Raise your hand if you have a FireWire port ...

    Raise your hand if you have both ...

    Raise your hand if you have $400 to spend on a cute Apple device ...

    There is Apple's market. Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.

    ~LoudMusic []
  • by gonar ( 78767 ) <sparkalicious@veri[ ].net ['zon' in gap]> on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @05:07PM (#13503609) Homepage
    I don't want to haul around a phone, MP3 player, camera, PDA, notebook etc.

    what I want is one device, the size of my cell phone that combines all the
    features of these devices.

    what I want in this device:
    size of my current cellphone (Audiovox cdm-9900)
    cell phone features at least as good as current + mp3 ringtones
    2MP 3x optical zoom camera w/ VGA/30fps movie mode
    industry standard flash memory card/data in industry standard storage format
    read and write files on flash card using standard tools in windows,
    linux and macos
    play MP3 and mpeg/mp4/divx (at VGA/30fps when driving remote display)
    (limitation to proprietary formats unacceptable, but support for proprietary
    formats in addition to standard formats desirable)
    PDA capabilities equal to palm pilot/zaurus/WINCE (assume primary data
    input by keyboard in desktop mode)
    wireless keyboard/mouse/display/headphone/microphone/networ king support

    minimum 48 hours standby battery life/4 hours active use time (remote
    desktop/mobile mode)

    USB master/slave capability using standard cables

    I want to be able to access _all_ data on this device from a usb/wireless
    connected system as if I were looking at a hard drive/network drive

    beyond solitaire/free cell/tetris/minesweeper level gaming, I dont care
    about gaming performance.

    graphics performance equivalent to first gen radeon is sufficient.

    I expect that there are 3 primary usage modes: mobile, remote and primary

    mobile usage model:
            in this mode, this should operate like a cell phone, MP3 player or camera
    like a full function single purpose device for each of these uses. As a PDA
    it would primarily be used for data retrieval as opposed to input, for anything
    beyond trivial data input (on the level of what you would input into a cell
    phone) it is ok to assume a wireless or USB keyboard will be used (i.e.
    handwriting recognition not required/useful) the form factor of the divice
    should not be comprimized in the false belief that a big display is needed.
    the display on my cdm-9900 is more than sufficient.

    with a secondary battery pack and set of display glasses, it should be possible
    to watch two complete feature length VGA/30fps movies in this mode (think
    flying Boston to LA)

    remote desktop usage model:
            in this mode, the user is primarily expecting functionality equivalent to
    a high end PDA/ultra portable laptop. the keyboard would probably be a
    wireless thumbboard or a rollup usb keyboard, the display would preferrably be
    a wireless head mounted display (HUD-glasses). external networking
    capabilities might be non-existant, or limited to analog cell phone bandwidth,
    so internal processing capabilities must be able to fulfill the minimums for
    this kind of use.

    primary desktop usage model:
            I want to just carry the device in my pocket, when I get to work, drop it
    on my desk, have it recognize my keyboard, display and mouse and start driving
    them. I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop computer in this
    mode. I expect that this will require remote processing to provide the
    CPU horsepower necessary, but the UI will be displayed and driven here
    (X11 terminal style, but once I've done initial setup, I don't want to have to
    think about it. this should work from the other side of the world).

            I expect it needs to be on the charger for best performance in this

    what's missing to accomplish this:

            the biggest piece of missing technology for this application is wireless
    capable monitors and really useable display glasses. by useable, I mean glasses
    that work like the glasses I wear today, but also can be used as a computer
    display. other than the weight issue and some manufacturing issues, the tech
    is here today with an LCD film overlay laminated onto the glasses lens or a
    projector/refractor model.
  • Weak. (Score:4, Funny)

    by yardbird ( 165009 ) * on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @05:18PM (#13503715) Homepage
    I'm holding out for the Femto.

    iPod Femto []: the first MP3 player to be injected directly into your bloodstream!
  • by Kelson ( 129150 ) * on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @05:31PM (#13503812) Homepage Journal
    First Apple released the iPod, then the iPod Mini. Now there's the iPod Nano.

    And last year, Apple introduced the Mac Mini.

    <joke>Does this mean we should expect the Mac Nano sometime next year?</joke>
  • but .... (Score:4, Funny)

    by daevux ( 626542 ) on Wednesday September 07, 2005 @05:34PM (#13503829)
    .... but does the phone support music on hold? :)

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