Servers, Hackers, and Code In the Movies 445
Billosaur writes "As with anything, Hollywood has a weird way of viewing computer technology and the people who use it. To help quantify things, take a look at The Top 20 Movie Hackers, the Top Ten Movie Servers, and the things code doesn't do in real life." From the servers article: "3. UNIX environment - Jurassic Park (1993). The UNIX environment here is a classic geek joke. Everything we saw was real - created by Silicon Graphics and called IRIX. InGen was the corporation funding the island, and from an IT perspective they let the worst possible thing happen: they allowed one programmer to design the infrastructure with no supervision. What's worse, they obviously required no documentation of what was done. The result was a kid had to hack in and gain ROOT privileges. The likelihood of a young kid knowing a way to get ROOT (and not a more experienced programmer) is pretty hard to swallow. The hardware for this server was probably minimal, running door locks and starting Quicktime movies. 'We spared no expense!' You would think that with the millions of dollars they spent on the park, they could have hired a couple newbie programmers and added a server on the backend."
It's funny? Laugh? (Score:4, Insightful)
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There's nothing unusual about someone with knowledge in a specialized field finding the Hollywood portrayal of that field amusing. Because they are, 95% of the time, wrong and 50% of the time they're wrong enough for it to be funny to the person who knows better.
"I know this! This is UNIX!" is funny as shit. Okay, it's not funny at all to non-computer-geeks, but neither are the Hollywood gaffs that doctors, lawyers, auto mechanics, and ninja assassins find amusing to people not in those fields.
The same goes for Legal shows (Score:5, Informative)
You never, ever, see any paperwork, stacks of document boxes or any case files being used in any legal shows.
They make it seem(Especially in Boston Legal) that the defendant or plaintif just tells the attourneys their problem and then just go to court and argue it.
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ENJOY and EMBRACE the fiction (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The same goes for Legal shows (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Patient gets sick with some obscure condition.
2. Doctor 1 orders standard stuff, it doesn't work/makes it worse
3. Doctor 2 orders some obscure test
4. Doctor 3 orders an MRI
5. Doctor 2 orders another weird test
6. House has some drama with his own life/leg/whatever
7. Doctor 4 makes some final off the wall test, and decides on a rather extreme course of action
8. House jumps in at the last minute and explains how all they needed was an aspirin
I mean what HMO would authorize that crazy list of tests? You gotta figure these people get back and have enormous hospital bills.
I watched it for awhile with my wife and the first few shows were interesting, but then the whole "House is a jerk" angle got kinda stale and I didn't really have any hope of trying to figure out the medical mysteries when half of the stuff they say sounds like it came from the medical version of the Star Trek Technobabble generator.
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In the realm of computing, code [...is...]: The symbolic arrangement of instructions that a computer can understand - like "Your PHP code is shit"
That made my day!!! Priceless!
To whoever posted this stowy . . . (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, BTW, that weminds me . . . I went out hunting this weekend and the stwangest thing happened. Weww, I saw this wabbit, you see. So, I chased him down and he wan and jumped into this howe in the gwound. I said, "I'm gonna get you, you wascawy wabbit!!". You wouldn't bewieve what he did!! He jumped out of the howe, gwabbed my big, fat cheeks and kissed me wight on the mowth!! Then he jumped up again, spinning in a compwete bwur at about a thousand times a second, to which, at his apex he jack-knifed and did a Gweg Wouganis-style dive, wight back into the howe. So I stuck my double-bawwel shotgun in the howe and said, "Now, I've got you, wabbit!!". Suddenwy, I fewt a tun on my gun, and befowe I know it I was in a tug-of-waw with him. He yanked and I yanked back. Yank . . . yank. . . yank, . . . back and fowrth. When I finawwy puwwed my gun out, it was tied in a knot!! As a wast wesowt, I puwwed the twigger and bwew my own face owff. That was the wast time I went wabbit hunting.
Now, I just wook fowawd to duck season. If that doesn't wowk out, I'ww just take up painting.
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While I am not a Ninja Assasin, I am a Unix admin, and I did laugh at "I know this!". But in the same vien, I have studied martial arts for years, and whenever I see a swordfight, in a movie, it drives me insane.
The next time you watch a swordfight in a movie, watch where the swords are being swung. Most of the time, if the opponent just dropped their sword to the floor, the attacking swing would miss completely. In hollywood, they swing the
Re:It's funny? Laugh? (Score:5, Informative)
A very noteable exception -- or maybe not since it isn't Hollywood but what you're saying is common of action movies from everywhere -- being The Seven Samurai. Everyone who uses a sword in that movie uses it to kill, and as a result most sword fights are one or two strokes long. While lacking the acrobatic beauty of a good ten-minute lightsaber duel, it did have a gritty reality that just felt right.
Not even 50% realistic (Score:3, Insightful)
I work in Level 2 tech support. I occasionally have other techs ask me to help them figure out why they can't mount a CD on a customer's server they're dialed into. I always start by asking them to check with the customer to see if the CD is in the drive SHINY SIDE DOWN. You'd be surprised how often the disk is upside down in the drive. I don't blame the non-techies,
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2. De Niro's Harry Tuttle (in keeping with the Brazil theme posts this week).
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wait...wasn't he a plumber?
well, closer to the average software engineer than the others i suppose.
Harry Tuttle (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, "heating engineer." Actually I screwed up with those suggestions, especially with Seymour, because of course they weren't computer hackers, but just geeks (for some reason I thought that page was about 20 Movie Geeks; D'oh!).
But there were "computer hackers" in Brazil [imdb.com]; the real hacker was Sam Lowry, who used quite a number of techniques including social engineering: "ERE I AM JH." The funnier candidate would be Harvey Lime, who had the memorable lines, "Computers... are my forte" and "I'm a bit of a
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They also left out the Paper Man [amazon.com] which was a good movie about hackers from 1971. That was made back before personal computers existed. In the movie a group of college students in a computer lab use a networked computer create a "paper man" and get a charge card in his name to temporarily help pay some of their bills. Somehow their paper man mysteriously seems to take on a life of his own and starts trying to kill them by causing computer controlled hardware such as elevators to malfunction. It even alte
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Mice? (Score:5, Insightful)
I can code for hours without touching the mouse. What purpose does a mouse serve when writing code? What does it provide that a keyboard doesn't? This isn't photo-editing or game-playing we're talking about, it's coding.
The only benefit I could see would be for cut-and-paste purposes, but even then a couple quick keystrokes in a good editor will do the trick faster.
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In fact, that's why the aliens came to Earth; they were looking for Bill Gates...
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This would allow Jeff Goldblum's character to simply link it in, call a few functions creatively and ta-da! world saved.
no, no they don't... (Score:5, Insightful)
It may be weird to you or I, but Hollywood does it that way because that's how your "average joe" sees it.
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It may be weird to you or I, but Hollywood does it that way because that's how your "average joe" sees it.
It's the other way around, the "average joe" sees it that way because of the movies.
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Not only that, but showing the -reality- would just be too damn boring for a movie!
Re:no, no they don't... (Score:5, Insightful)
No, Hollywood does it that way because it servese the interests of the plot and cinematic pacing without conflicting so much with people's experience that it breaks suspension of disbelief, not because it accurately reflects the "average joe" impression of computers.
(Note, this also applies to general Hollywood portrayal of basically everything: physics, police procedure, military tactics, whatever.)
Re:no, no they don't... (Score:5, Insightful)
Many things make more sense that way, hacker displays are just one thing. All space combat at all ranges happens in a way to frame the combat precisely in the screen, even when there are multiple ships. Real space combat would presumably take place at even greater ranges than modern naval combat; I'll be conservative and call the zone of influence of a carrier group many tens of miles. (Depends on how you measure it, I suppose.) Yet the two space ships always approach within a few hundred meters... well, they have to or there's nothing to show. Sure, I'd pay to see a realistic movie, but it'd make Serenity look like a spectacular financial success in the general market.
This presumably also explains why the good crew of the Enterprise misses so many point-blank visual-range shots; it's symbolic of the fact that at a few tens of kilometers it's a lot easier to miss.
In Serenity, the scenes with the Reavers between them and the planet Miranda has to be a little symbolic, because space junk at that density would be unstable. But the real situation would be completely unfilmable, and most of the same effect can be had with a re-arrangement of the situation.
Space combat is just one of the easier ones; a lot of things are better taken as symbolic.
This leaves you more worried about good characters, internal consistency (even with silly rules), and other more story-related issues. Taking this viewpoint has mostly satisfied my inner geek, although he still sometimes notices things that still can't really be explained this way.
(It probably helps that I still read and enjoy science fiction from the 1950s and back; the rules are very silly by modern physics standards, but as long as they are consistent, I still can find the stories interesting and entertaining; in fact in our zest for realism we've lost some interesting story worlds.)
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Which is interesting, because one of the strengths of books is that they aren't limited by what can be presented visually and what looks interesting that way.
For example, I've read several sci-fi novels (Stephen Donaldson's Gap series being a favorite) that depict space combat occuring at realistic ranges -- ranges where even using light-speed weaponry it takes several minutes to reach the target. In a novel, the tension of
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From there it's a short leap to basically
I don't think you could fit that in Jurassic Park (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I don't think you could fit that in Jurassic Pa (Score:2)
Why not? Crappy prequels made a mint for George Lucas!
Re:I don't think you could fit that in Jurassic Pa (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm always vaguely confused by the Jurassic Park complaints. The Jurassic Park movie had almost nothing wrong with its presentation of computers or technology in general. (I'm not including the sci-fi cloning in that. I'm sure there were problems with that.)
First of all, yes, that's a real Unix system. A very stupid one, but a real one.
Secondly, the system was crap. And the point is?
It's a very badly designed system. It was designed by one person, and it's not finished. No one was trained in it yet, and the only person who understands it dies early, and it was sabotaged. Of course you have crazy stuff like not automatically switching the power over or the fences going down.
I mean, yeah, some stuff was slightly improbable, but it's the kinda shit that actually does happen in emergency situations, at least the first time...you discover that, hey, the damn generator didn't come on line or that the carefully constructed key-card security system is not, apparently, on the battery backups This is why you don't test with live data, or, in this case, live dinosaurs.
Again, unfinished, crappy system. Sorta like the actual park itself, when you think about it. Remember it was being worked on by someone who, at least for a short period of time, knew he was going to fleeing his job with a boatload of money for selling them out, and ask yourself if you think he really was working on fixing bugs during that time?
About the only thing I actually have issues with is the 'We can't get a phone line out' plot. But I guess, logically, those couldn't be 'real' phone lines, it's not like the phone company ran lines to the island. No, they have a sat or underwater cable connection with somewhere, and a PBX, and Nedry screwed up the PBX, and they don't know what the hell they'll talking about, all they know is they can't get a dial tone.
Maybe it's just me (Score:5, Insightful)
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I disagree. You see UNIX I know about. If they do something stupid that contradicts my knowledge then it damages my suspension of disbelief. Recombining DNA with modern day creatures? I don't know much about that. I know I don't see dinosaurs outside my window so I can deduce that there are major stumbling blocks that the movie glossed over, but it doesn't contradict my experience and k
Re:Maybe it's just me (Score:5, Funny)
Let's just say you and I are equally annoyed for completely different reasons.
Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! (Score:5, Funny)
If Hollywood isn't accurate regarding computer technology, I shudder to think what else they've depicted might be wrong. Next you're going to tell me good guys don't have unlimited ammunition, you can't trick a killer to confesing to a murder on national television, and that ugly women can't be transformed into supermodels merely by taking off their glasses!
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long live usenet
Re:Hollywood? Not accurate? I'm shocked, SHOCKED! (Score:5, Interesting)
A number of years ago, I remember seeing a movie on TV where the cockpit of a large passenger jet was totally destroyed in a mid-air collision (or was it an explosion?). The pilot and co-pilot were dead and all of the controls, instruments and radios were destroyed so there was no way for the passengers to fly the jet. Fortunately, there was a bundle of wires hanging down into the passenger compartment and there was a geek with a laptop sitting nearby. He calmly explained that all he had to do was hook the wires to his laptop computer and he would be able to fly the jet from a program on his computer. When someone questioned whether he could really do that, he explained that of course he could do that because "he was from Silicon Valley." They safely landed the jet of course. What was that stupid movie called?
As I recall, he did not mention ever having worked with aircraft avionics equipment before, he was just an ordinary computer expert from Silicon Valley. They did not have radio contact with any experts on the ground and did not have access to any wiring diagrams or manuals. How likely is it that he would have been able grab some bundle of wires and within several hours get them hooked up and working with some program on his computer? Would those be some common type of wires using some common protocols that are well know outside the aviation industry? Perhaps he might have had to quickly use some boolean algebra to reverse engineer what the circuits were doing and then within several hours quickly write, debug and compile some C++ code and interface that with a flight simulator or game program on his computer. He is good!
As for non-computer movies, I recall seeing one where Arnold Schwartzeneger was being chased by dozens of solders with rifles. They shoot at him for about 10 seconds with their rifles as he is running and miss. Then he suddenly turns around and kills them all in 2 seconds with his machine gun. I have never been in the military and don't know much about guns, but supposedly dozens of trained solders with rifles were almost useless against one man with a machine gun.
As for Science fiction, I don't even know where to begin. In the old television series "Space 1999" a nuclear waste dump on the moon exploded with enough force to seen Earth's moon flying through space past a different solar system each week. The nearest star is over 4 light-years away, so the moon must have been traveling faster than the speed of light. Fortunately, the crew of the moon base survived the rapid acceleration.
On one of the various CSI type programs on TV, a crime was recorded by a security camera. They noticed a small reflection in on of the victims pupils so they zoomed in and enhanced the picture. There was the reflection of the killers face visible in the reflection. I have zoomed in on a few digital images on my computer and the image very quickly becomes a useless collection of large individual pixels. Who has security cameras that record at that kind of resolution?
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This was mostly bullshit, but not total bu
Its not a true reflection of reality (Score:5, Funny)
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There was one part of this move that I really enjoyed: The portrayal of someone really into writing their code. When I complete a significant portion of a project, I celebrate. From time to time, I also spin around in my chair and clap my hands like an ape.
So, I guess my point boils down to this: Jackman portrayed being a computer dork rather accurately ;)
And I believe this even though the visualization of code was entirely unrealistic. Aside: That gives me an idea... Someone should write a program that
They forgot the earth! (Score:2, Interesting)
They forgot the earth in the server list [vibrant.com]!
I always loved that turn in the HHGG. I still think it's a brilliant idea to think of the earth as a huge supercomputer to calculate the question to the answer "42" - and thus to actually formulate the question about life, the universe and everything - I think it's much more interesting than the Matrix version where the earth/reality just isn't the reality.
WOPR...all those blinking lights (Score:2)
A good list of fictional computers is available on here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_c
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They go on to mention that this had now been diabled and wouldn't happen again. From that point on, it's WOPR phoning David back to continue the "game".
Slashdotted -here's the list (Score:2, Informative)
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19. J-Bone, Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
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18. Lazlo Hollyfeld, Real Genius (1985)
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17. Wyatt Donnelly, Weird Science (1985)
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16. Milo Hoffman, Antirust (2001)
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15. Dennis Nedry, Jurassic Park (1993)
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14. Gus Gorman, Superman III (1983)
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13. Kevin Mitnick, Takedown (2000)
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12. Boris Grishenko, Goldeneye (1995)
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11. John 'Captain Crunch' Draper, Pirates of Silicon Valley (1999)
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10. Michael Bolton & Samir Na
Top 20 movie "hackers" (Score:2)
My favorite bit (Score:5, Insightful)
It used to be worse . . . (Score:2)
Lots of obsession with punch cards, belief that big mainframes were omniscient, operators who were comic-relief hysterics.
In addition to being flat-out wrong, the lessons and morals we were supposed to learn were totally inane.
They weren't paying attention to Jurassic Park (Score:5, Informative)
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Look it up. it was pretty cool but ultimately not very useful. You can download the source code and port it if you would like.
I want one of those monitors... (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, and the image processing software that takes a poor quality security camera image, and 'enhances' it so you can see the villains face reflected in the sunglasses of the victim.
Re:I want one of those monitors... (Score:5, Interesting)
While your point is well-made (I love the CSI episode where they "rotate" the security camera still to see the front of the guy's face, when the camera caught him from the back), you'd be surprised what can be done with heavy math and a LOT of processing power to improve the quality of digital images.
Depending on the type of images (stills versus video), and whether compression has been used, it's potentially possible to extract more information from the datastream than was intended. There's a neat trick that can be used on video, where the algorithm enhances one frame by analyzing the preceding and succeeding frames, recognizing the actual objects in the picture. It combines several seconds' worth of video information to provide a much clearer image of what's in a single frame. Of course, this doesn't always work, it depends on what you have to work with.
A guy I sometimes work with got hold of a cellphone camera video, shot freehand during a demonstration in New York City, of some cops pulling people down and roughing them up. Because of the crappy camera work, and the fact that the cellphone was such a horrible source, and the video had been compressed to hell, it wasn't possible initially to make out the faces of the cops or protesters. After tweaking the algorithm parameters and running the original stream through a LOT of processing, he had the video clear enough to identify most of the people present, AND read an officer's badge number.
This was originally prompted by the cops charging the protesters with resisting arrest and assult, all of which were thrown out of court for other reasons. But a couple of people won civil suits against the city on account of the video enhancement, and I think at least one cop lost his job.
I love telling people this story when they complain that higher math is useless except in theoretical physics. Power to the people, man!
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Was that at the RNC in 2004? I used my video tape to get BS charges against myself (and possibly a few others arrested in Times Square) dropped. Hell, my ACLU lawyer didn't even have to show up in court. I just had the tape in my hands.
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I tend to think that they would have backed off anyway, maybe framing it as a show of mercy or something along those lines. The reason being that the cops' bosses got what they wanted - freedom of expression was successfully restricted. The event was over, so no point it dwelling on it. The sooner the whole thing was swept under the rug the les
Re:I want one of those monitors... (Score:5, Funny)
Sounds like Enemy of the State.
I often think in CSI that they should have a 'Bullshit Lab'. I mean they have a DNA lab, a Fingerprint lab, a Trace Analysis lab, a Ballistics lab. Wouldn't that be a great ace in the hole the next time Grisson or Horatio is up against it? "Ok, people, we need to take it to the next level. Let's go to the Bullshit lab." Then they march in to watch some totally made-up 3D animation of victims bouncing off walls and cars and the tech guy says "Here's that bullshit you wanted, guys!" and hands them the retina scan from a reflection of someone's face from a car mirror taken by some ATM cctv footage, and it has the eye colour right and everything.
Case solved!
No need to hack (Score:2)
To be fair to Jurrassic Park... (Score:2)
"they let the worst possible thing happen: they allowed one programmer to design the infrastructure with no supervision. What's worse, they obviously required no documentation of what was done."
What actually happened was that the island was being left with a skeleton crew for the weekend. After the Nedry character sabotaged the system, the first thing the other characters do is try to phone "his people". With the phone system out however having the engineer say "I can't get Jurrassic Park back online w
Hey - it was IRIX (Score:2, Informative)
the book was worse... (Score:2)
The systems in Jurassic Park (the book) were running on a 680x0 Mac. It was obvious from the dialog boxes and the font (Geneva, IIRC).
That Mac and the "Land Rovers" were placeholders indicating where the studio could negotiate sponsorship deals. (With SGI and Jeep, respectively).
Crichton's such a shill -- I hope the studio "forgot" to give him his cut.
Man people take things too seriously (Score:2)
I'm a professional software engineer, have been for almost a decade, and I can still enjoy these movies
That being said, number 10 cracked me up, because thats true, expert in programming or not (I found
The Mac in Indepedence Day (Score:5, Insightful)
Indepence Day has flaws--many, many, many flaws--but the whole virus-on-a-Mac is not one of them. What Jeff Goldblum's character did was standard cross-platform development. He wrote the virus on his Mac, compiled it to an EvilAlienOS binary and uploaded it via the EvilAlienNetwork port on the captured spaceship.
This is more or less exactly what you'd do if you were developing for, say, an embedded microcontroller. The host computer doesn't need to be compatible with the target.
If you want to quibble, you could ask where he got the EvilAlienOS programmer's reference manual or the EvilAlienCPU's architecture description or how he managed to find an exploitable vulnerability in EvilAlienOS so quickly. But enough about the frickin' Mac, okay?
Re:The Mac in Indepedence Day (Score:5, Funny)
EvilAlienOS is actually Windows95, which they, like everybody else in the universe, were forced to install on their hardware by Microsfot.
This is actually the reason they invaded in the first place.
Fortunately, once Jeff Goldblum figured this out, finding an exploitable vulnerability wasn't a problem.
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Perhaps that is exactly what would be intended, the aliens send a craft specifically to be captured, allow the civilization to become dependant on that set of technologies, then swoop in and take over (using human made communication satelites, etc.) Since the target would be using systems effecivly designed by the attacker, they don't stand a chance.
Ugh (Score:2, Insightful)
Hell, half the time I recognize what game they're playing from a quick glimpse of it, and I'm thinking to myself "Oh come ON! I know that part, and there's nothing even CLOSE to those sounds there."
According to Hollywood... video games as well are stuck in the 80's.
HEY HO
Overlooked 'The Net' (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm surprised that The Net [imdb.com] didn't make it onto the list. After all, this is the movie where the bad guys kill a guy by hacking into the computer controlling his car's anti-lock brakes.
Really.
DARE make a "true" hacker movie! (Score:3, Informative)
Imagine someone actually did a "true" hacker movie. Let's imagine a documentary. A "show hack" if you want, where someone who really knows what he's doing is giving us a 90 minute rundown of a hack. Using real tools, trying real exploits. How long do you think 'til certain three letter orgs step in and round up everyone who had even remotely anything to do with it?
Hacking isn't a funny game anymore. As more information and money is dealt through electronic channels, the stakes rose considerably. Hacking is a business, more than it ever was. And it has become a problem to the powers that be, more than it ever was.
Movies already tell BS in certain other areas, for example when it comes to chemicals used in bombs or how certain tools can be (ab)used to cause havoc, just to deter wannabe copycats. You think anyone would be allowed to do a "true" hacker movie in this climate?
Besides, nobody would want to watch it. Except maybe geeks, but you can hardly make a blockbuster that way. I mean, when was the last time your computer blew up due to a botched hack? See? No explosions, no gunfights, not interesting.
Grandma's Boy has unrealistic game testers... (Score:3)
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And the part about the Gibson in Hackers being a 3D city and having a problem with it just means this guy has no imagination. Anyone remember the movie Disclosure? There was a "cutting edge" operating system being rumored to be developed in real life that was a 3D world that people walked around in and interacted with files, etc in a virtual reality. That metaphor was used in several movies. How else can non-geeks understand anything about what we geeks do without clear visuals? It's called artistic license.
What bothered be about movies is when they substitute one thing for another. For example, in Tron, when Flynn gets "lasered" back into the real world, the printer starts printing. The printer was a daisy-wheel printer, and it made sounds like a dot matrix printer.
Oh well. Lighten up!
The window manager is real (Score:3, Informative)
Something he missed. (Score:4, Funny)
I remember watching "The Lone Gunman" one day (thank God that show didn't make it!) and they needed more processing power to crack a password to take over a hijacked plane. "We could do this if had one of those new Octium 4's!" Well, they get one, right before the plane hits the building, they pull out their existing processor and drop in the Octium 4 (without so much as powering the machine off) and BAM! They had their password and saved the plane. (Oh, and no processors had any type of thermal anything!)
terminator kicked ass with COBOL (Score:3, Funny)
Of course, even as a junior programmer I probably would have been sharp enough to send information directly to the brain on the cyborg rather than just doing a printout to the eye. But you know how it goes - machine generated code is always crap.
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Wow. That's way cool. My parents only spoke English.
should make a list of things software doesn't do (Score:3, Insightful)
What he got wrong. (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm hearing a lot of people pointing out where they've seen this list in action, where they (surprisingly) haven't, and what TFA missed -- but I don't see anyone disagreeing. I do.
Depends what it is. If said 8 year old is looking at binary, hex, or moving random text, then no. But if said 8 year old is looking at a Windows 98 login screen, he might try the unthinkable and hit "cancel". Or even the esc key. I did this, and I was maybe 12 or 14 or something.
While it's true that our environments could be a little more realistic -- maybe a web browser with some documentation -- I actually don't use the mouse much while coding.
I mean, I'm on a Mac at work, and it is kind of unusual to see a real OS in a movie, but I mostly am ssh'd in to a Linux box writing the actual code, and the Mac has a wonderful keyboard shortcut of command+left/right to switch between open terminal windows. It's not the same thing as tabs -- I can fit four 80x24 terminals (all green text on translucent black background, because I like it that way) on my screen at once. On my Linux, I have to twitch my mouse, which is annoying, even with sloppy focus.
But yeah, as I learn more about vim, I'm learning that the keyboard is pretty much all I use when editing and testing most of my code. And it actually does look kind of like the movies -- between my vim setup, and my typing commands in, and my seeming to type insanely fast (due to tab completion), and my kernel compiles and whatever scrolling past (which I do understand some of, enough to ctrl+z it sometimes if I'm curious)...
Which brings us to:
Yes and no. Code does not move, but output does. I watch logfiles with tail -f, I watch compiles (kernel and otherwise) and actually get an idea of the gist of what they're doing, I watch IRC discussions, and I watch the debugging output of my programs to get an idea of their progress.
It's not the same as Hollywood, where code is 3D and flying all over the screen, and I'm using VR gloves to put stuff together. Snow crash had the right idea -- even when the primary computer interface is 3D, we still go to Flatland for some things, including source code.
But, many of his points are weak, and most we've seen before. The #1 mistake I see is them dumbing down the computer stuff -- can you name a single hack that's actually been explained to you that made any real sense, without you inventing huge amounts of crap to fill the gaps?
I mean, even classic stuff, like that grabbing-the-fractions-of-a-penny stuff? Come on, what's stopping you from just doing a debit from one account and a credit to another -- shit, what's stopping you from simply making up a bunch of deposits from cash, and claim you got it from an unnamed Swiss bank account? Or how about the "Send Spike" of Goldeneye: "It jams their modem so they can't hang up" -- well gee, if it can do that, you've already 0wned them, why not just have their box traceroute one or two hops and give you that IP, then let them hang up and trace some random server that no one cares about?
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Yes. Then you'd very quickly be snuffed out by everyone who has to be anywhere near you.
Re:That fake computer sound! (Score:4, Informative)
From the beep [johnath.com] man page (in Debian):
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andl $0xfffff2ff,%eax # Set rounding mode to nearest.
orl $0x00000200,%eax # Set precision to 64 bits. (53-bit mantissa)
pushl %eax
fldcw (%esp) # Recover modes.
popl %eax
is not binary. Writing something that is easily translated to machine code is not the same as writing machine code.
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If you had FPGAs when you studied engineering then these were probably before your time.
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Actually, I have. (Score:2, Interesting)
Most of my binary etc. code was patched into previously compiled program images which couldn't be recreated from source for some reason, but a small amount was entered through the
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Re:The blip noise (Score:5, Informative)
A statement:
I am a sound designer and a programmer. I have on many occasions intentionally, even without being asked, cut "blip" sound effects for code scrolling across a screen -- not just code, but any sort of stdout/text output/situational awareness display.
I do not do it because I'm stupid, or am trying to dumb down the audience, it for a few specific reasons:
We put blips on a computer screen for the same reason ipods chirp when you press a button. Psychology.
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At the time of that movie, most computers didn't have the ability to make sounds at all, and even fewer had graphics. It was all text and more text. I'm sure that there was a traceable moment when someone thought of doing that, but don't think that it's a reflection of reality.
These little "help