Ubuntu Reaching Out To 16,000 Anime Lovers 293
shadowmage13 writes "After months of planning, I am happy to announce finally that the Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team will be preparing a booth at the upcoming 2010 Anime Boston convention. We need support from the community to secure a booth and print materials, including copies of the Ubunchu! manga. I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu, as they are by nature very much in line with open source and remix culture."
There is one problem, though (Score:5, Funny)
Neither Tux, nor any Ubuntu release mascott I know of has tentacles.
OTOH, one of the protagonists in NGE was a penguin, so there's still hope for acceptance...
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I mulling over the wisdom of marketing Ubuntu, a distro which defaults a maniacally-happy sewage-brown theme, to a bunch of "art lovers".
I think you may have headed off my question.
Re:There is one problem, though (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, well, I'm glad that most of the anime culture has one thing in common, despite the (impressive, indeed) diversity - a sense of humor. Humor, which is present in all but the most serious and gloomy works, and often expressed in making fun of the work itself
Besides, if you bothered to read the second sentence of my post, you could've even realized that it doesn't belong strictly on the "linux side".
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Re:There is one problem, though (Score:4, Insightful)
The fact that the first comment was about hentai and tentacles just shows you how daft of an idea that is. I'm all for exposing Ubuntu to a wider audience, but association with non-mainstream media is what they're trying to avoid.
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I think that's probably just the typical stupid joke.
I mean, these days, who hasn't heard of Naruto, One Piece, DBZ or Pokemon? That makes for most of the anime people see. It's not particularly deep, but that's the mainstream kind of it. There are much more interesting things to watch, but they're very niche in comparison to what I listed.
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Re:There is one problem, though (Score:4, Insightful)
Whether you like it or not doesn't have to do with whether it's mainstream.
If you think Pokemon is adult, you sure have low standards for what adult is.
Really, this obsession with adult anime people have is odd. It's like trying to reject the entire cinema medium based on the existence of porn movies. I've got friends that have bookcases full with hundreds of anime DVDs, and there's no porn in there.
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That's very strange. Go to One Manga [onemanga.com] for instance, and see the top popular manga for shonen (same genre as DBZ): Naruto, Bleach, One Piece.
Huge manga nerds may not be very interested though, as this is THE mainstream stuff, the anime equivalent of whatever sitcom is currently most popular. It's simple, mindless entretainment to appeal to pretty much everybo
Re:There is one problem, though (Score:4, Interesting)
Let me introduce you to Madobe Nanami [wikipedia.org], the official mascot of Windows 7 Japanese edition. Voiced by a popular voice actress even. Microsoft feels anime is good enough for mainstream.
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"immensely diverse and interesting anime culture"
Oh man, my sides...
TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: "kawaii" means "cute".
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Anyway, there are no Linux drivers for those proprietary hentai tentacles, so not to worry,.
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OTOH, one of the protagonists in NGE was a penguin, so there's still hope for acceptance...
I thought the penguin was the protagonist. Wasn't everyone else a bad guy?
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The penguin was also a bad guy. This was only revealed in End of the End of the End of Evangelion, so maybe I should have put a spoiler warn... What am I saying?
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Don’t tempt the Internet! Or someone will release Ubuntu “Tentacle Tux”!
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Another open source innovation.. (Score:2)
Product placement!
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But we do have daemons!
One step closer to the desktop ? (Score:2)
Reading TFA surprised me at first; what linux is used to do manga anime ???
But I guess after all it is a good sign that linux might be getting closer the desktop, e.g. multipurpose desktop computer ;-))
It wasn't traditionally used for such tasks, at least at first.
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Ok. So, what would Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team do in he mean time that would be more productive? I'm sure there are plenty others more qualified to do the fixing of 9.10.
I disagree that stopping the evangelizing would be more productive than evangelizing at this point, even if 9.10 is buggy. (I.e. I don't think it's buggy enough to hide from the public completely.)
Maybe I just got lucky with my installs on my hardware.
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Hello. Anime fan here.
They need to fix SOUND in general in Linux, so it, like, just works. I have a dual boot system (WinXP64 and Kumubtu 9.10), and if there's one thing I'm having trouble with it's getting sound working on any video player. Regular system sound is fine, Amarok can play, too. But I haven't been able to get a video player that has a good interface, decent playback abilities for the latest codecs and subtitle formats, and sound working all at the same time. Some of this has to do with mplayer waiting forever to release a new "official version" so distributors would update their packages. Maybe some of it has to do with me using a USB audio device, but in general it's application and the O/S not working together on working with the "default" audio output setting in preferences and not supporting other methods (ALSA/PulseAudio/etc.) without config tweaking.
I can download and run VLC for Windows and it works as soon as it's installed, it should be the same on Linux, especially since all the VLC developers are Linux developers and not really focused on Windows.
Getting sound to work in video players (or audio players, web browsers, etc) has been a trial for me going back years.
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Lennart Poettering, the pulseaudio lead, is an Red Hat employee. Jaroslav Kysela and Takashi Iwai, the only two persons in the world who get paid for their work in ALSA, are hired by Red Hat and Novell respectively.
So where is Mark (and his money) when we need him?
And Ubuntu is known to have done a great deal of damage to PulseAudio's reputation by royally fsck up Poettering's work [0pointer.de].
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From the post:
But it doesn't say how. Is there an explanation somewhere? I'd like to see what it was.
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The USB Audio module doesn't work very well. It's an extremely generic driver.
At work, where I use my older SB Live 24-bit External, I get a whole four controls:
PCM output volume, Microphone input volume, power LED, cms LED.
Yes, while it only supports the BARE MINIMUM audio channels on this thing (which is 24-bit 5.1 with optical SPDIF and all those whizbangs) I can toggle the LEDs on and off. Well, that's certainly useful...
However, I have no problems on my desktop with my SB Audigy 2 ZS.
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can download and run VLC for Windows and it works as soon as it's installed, it should be the same on Linux
That's how it's been in my experience...I've had to fiddle with some settings to get recording to work, but I've never had any trouble with playback...
Yeah, right! (Score:3, Funny)
Because another 16.000 clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals is EXACTLY what the Ubuntu community needs.
Re:Yeah, right! (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, total world domination, or even some sort of world domination would have to include some clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals too. Besides, maybe some of the clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals will show their newly found OS to some not so clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals. Sure, the clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals aren't the most important movers and shakers, but you do what you can. Any convert could send ripples of Freedom through our culture.
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Isn't there a collective noun for "clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals"?
It's getting hard to read this thread otherwise.
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Isn't there a collective noun for "clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals"?
There were clueless urban poseurs of great self-importance, even back in the days before twitter & facebook. We called them "yuppies" - would that term be demeaning enough?
Re:Yeah, right! (Score:4, Funny)
We called them "yuppies" - would that term be demeaning enough?
But that word doesn't have "sex" in it, and it doesn't sound like the words "homosexual" or "transsexual." As we know, sex is dirty enough, but homosexuals and transsexuals are all disease-ridden, AIDS-infested, sex-crazed, godless, hedonistic, er..., I'm sure there are a few more words I could use along those lines but I haven't had my tea^H^H^Hcoffee yet (of course I'm a real man! tea is for girls!). At any rate, no, "yuppie" wasn't demeaning enough.
Besides, someone who's young and upper class might just be well-connected and a hard worker. Homosexuals, transsexuals, and their newest effiminate (nothing worse than being feminine, a fate worse than death) sexual deviant might be well-connected, but hard-working, even deserving? Pfft. </troll>
Cheers
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Yuppies have money. Anime fans, by and large, do not, after spending it on Cels.
Re:Yeah, right! (Score:5, Funny)
I believe it's "Apple users"
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Was the event secretly funded by Red Hat?
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I think it could be more the implication that because you have Facebook, you must have, at some point, had friends who'd want to keep in touch with you, thus disqualified as a true Slashdot Geek/Geekette.... Because we all know that everybody on slashdot is a basement-dwelling, never-bathing, man child who subsists on Sarah Michelle Gellar porn... that's just not compatible with the kind of person who's got friends, or might not actually be male...
Signed, a Facebook-using, "oh-so-creative" person who enjoys
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Well, I'm sure that's exactly the attitude Linux needs to gain market share: bigotry and elitism. Keep it up guys, year of the Linux is coming any day now.
Bigotry and elitism didn't prevent Linux from getting healthy amounts of market share in the server space.
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Oh don't worry. Us Hanna Montana linux users will put up a booth right directly ACROSS from these anime worshippers, all the better to emerge victorious in stare-down contests. That ought to even things out. They'd wish they had those eyes taking up 80% of their faces...
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Re:Yeah, right! (Score:4, Funny)
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As a member of the unwashed masses, i would like to think that some of us eventually goon to become developers and generally help out when we can. Personally i've not done much other than help even newer users out with even simpler problems than my own, but a group of 16000 largely teenage geeks, will likely produce at least one developer, probably a few competent bug reporters and dozens people who will spend time on forums/irc to help out new users. So Canonical and the ubuntu community tend to think that
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Aye! n I'd shut yer face, unless yous want a Glasgow kiss!
Yay! Stereotypes! (Score:4, Insightful)
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I would have gone more for the "pretending to be some professional athlete" angle here.
No one gives some "sports fanboy" any flack because it's socially acceptable.
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I Had to Read This 5 Times... (Score:5, Insightful)
...but now I think I get it: You're asking us to donate money so that your local Linux User Group can have a booth at your local anime convention.
Did I get that right? If so, props for chutzpah, my brother...
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No, he'd never be done compiling before the convention folds (ducks)
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The next distrobution is going to be called ... (Score:5, Funny)
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And soon after that, Ubuntu will reach out to the furries with Ubuntu Yiffy Yaffle [ubuntu.com], which will come with a wallpaper from Dark Natasha [darknatasha.com] and Second Life as part of the default install.
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Which part was derisive? I find the idea of Ubuntu making that funny, but wouldn't see anything really wrong with it. I'm a furry, even.
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I don't get the Furry hate. I'm not one of them, but can identify with the idea of it. I also find the artwork to be appealing as well (and no, I'm not talking about the porn).
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"Linux for Human Beings and their noodly appendages.".
Oh, so when did the Pastafarians start funding Ubuntu?
Excellent... (Score:2)
And then we unleash them upon Slashdot.jp and set back Western-Japanese relations by decades. The plan is flawless.
The English translation of Ubunchu is still flawed (Score:5, Funny)
Sometimes the translators simply failed to grasp the meaning of the original text. In panel 3, the girl says "Yokenna, kono!" ("Why you, don't dodge!") and the boy replies "Maji iteendazo!" ("Those really hurt, you know!"; they are both referring to the CDs she's throwing), but in the English translation it turns into "Stop messing around! It can't be any good!". The third girl's line, "Hamori nagara kenka shinaidee!", is not so easy to render in English, but it definitely doesn't mean "Stop talking at the same time!": it means "You were speaking in unison a minute ago [panel 2], so don't fight now!"
Other times, the translation is clumsy. In panel 1, "Saikin ninki no desktop na Linux desu!" ("It's the most popular desktop Linux these days!" - or, more literally, "It's a desktop Linux that is popular these days") becomes "It is very popular with the users, and it is the hottest desktop Linux distribution available."
And that's just the first page.
I reported these and more flaws months ago, but since the maintainer took offense to my harsh but polite comment ("the translation should be redone", I said), he simply rejected the "patch". It's hard not to crack wise that this is just like a real open source project.
(Actually, I know most maintainers aren't like that, so hold those Flamebait mods.
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Problems for anime fans with Linux (Score:5, Insightful)
There's also gaming, with the exception of Onscript based games, very few visual novels play well with Linux and most Tohou/doujin shooters are Windows only.
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Not really.
See, here's your problem. You're comparing competent players to an incompetent player. One that in particular has terrible support for ASS, by far the most popular subtitle format for fansubs. Try mplayer (or a GUI frontend if that's your thing) sometime.
For you, maybe. For most people it is a tiny, tiny issue though. And anyw
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[blockquote]See, here's your problem. You're comparing competent players to an incompetent player. One that in particular has terrible support for ASS, by far the most popular subtitle format for fansubs. Try mplayer (or a GUI frontend if that's your thing) sometime.[/blockquote]
VLC gets it's SSA/ASS subtitle rendering support from the mplayer project. So except for being a step behind MPlayer's they are using the same code. Implementation, however, may be making a difference.
At least I can get sound to wor
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I just went and downloaded a more recent VLC version and played something with it and surprisingly it wasn't hilariously broken. It's like I'm really using a player developed in the 21st century. I suppose I must tentatively (only tentatively because I didn't do a thorough test of its capabilities) retract my
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To say ripping and playing a blu ray at the moment is a bit inelegant is an understatement. It simply doesn't compare to popping a disc in and hav
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You already decided on one, namely MPC-HC.
I'm curious as to exactly what combinations do this, and with which player. I've got a bunch of stuff in all the common formats (Matroska/{H.264,MPEG-4 ASP}/{Vorbis,AAC,MP3}/ASS, AVI/MPEG-4 ASP/MP3, raw DVDs), and some stuff in some less common formats (OGM/SRT, anyone?), and mplayer plays anything I throw at it without a problem
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I played for weeks trying to get Ubuntu to work as a HTPC. All the media players I found in the repository either had horrid tearing problems, jerky motion, no audio, crashed constantly, or could not display the subtitles in a sane size on my plasma TV -- either tiny scribble or humongous letters, despite changing the settings I could find for the subtitle font. (Not to mention that the SB card defaulted to digital out and no peep on analog, and good luck finding that switch in the GUI...) Put Vista on it,
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I don't really have any experience myself with setting any Linux distro up as an HTPC. As for the average person who wants to watch anime, they're not going to be setting up a fancy HTPC setup like you are, so the situations aren't really comparable. And I think you're underestimating them a bit. I know quite a few who are into anime and have switched to Linux (or at least dual-boot it), generally with few problems, and often willing to work through the problems they have.
Technical competence in general see
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Well, the setup wasn't "fancy." It was my old desktop PC hooked up to the VGA input on my TV, with stereo analog audio into the amp. No different than watching it from a monitor with headphones or computer speakers.
As far as drive sharing and, I don't know how common that is for the average user, but I'd imagine that's a pretty basic use as well.
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Now see, here's your problem: You're an arrogant asshole. I have TONS of video clips that vlc won't play; mplayer plays them all. From where I'm sitting, vlc is the crap software.
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Japan and the U.S are in the same BluRay Region (A).
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Doesn't bluray have region coding enforced?
It does, but they abandoned the DVD regions for "zones", and Japan and the US now share a zone.
This is great! (Score:4, Funny)
This will give Ubuntu the mainstream credibility we've been seeking!
Anime on Ubuntu? Seriously?? (Score:5, Informative)
I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu, as they are by nature very much in line with open source and remix culture.
That is getting stupider over time - considering that out of box Ubuntu can't play 99% of anime found on say mininova.
And even after installing all possible drivers, applications and codecs, Linux video playback - especially as anime concerned - is still eons behind of CCCP [cccp-project.net] on Windows.
And what about the "remix culture" reference? Manga and anime fandom is interesting because there are more people who do new/original stuff - and few who rehash the old stuff. And even if they "remix" (what a stupid word lessig came up with) they still do it their own way, not some dumb copy paste like what many CC-lovers [wikipedia.org] do.
Ubunchu!
That is manga [wikipedia.org], not anime [wikipedia.org].
Re:Anime on Ubuntu? Seriously?? (Score:4, Informative)
considering that out of box Ubuntu can't play 99% of anime found on say mininova.
I clicked a .mkv, it said "I don't have a codec installed, shall I find one?", I clicked "yes", and it did, then it played. Not "out of the box" in the literal sense, but pretty close, and better than googling for codecs...
(Though after checking that it worked, I still went back to mplayer, which has so far played 100% of things I've thrown at it, and with hardware accelerated decoding now too :-P )
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Mplayer is nice, but it integrates with the rest very poorly. I still prefer to run Mplayer from command line, since most of the front-ends (official included) fail very often.
Ages old problem of A/V sync in Mplayer was never fixed. If I try to work in parallel (e.g. compile 2-3 files) Mplayer still easily looses A/V sync.
And aspect ratio handling is also sometimes fails.
And in GUI there is no usable bookmarks/favorites: restarting playback at later time from place where I stopped last time is at
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Ages old problem of A/V sync in Mplayer was never fixed. If I try to work in parallel (e.g. compile 2-3 files) Mplayer still easily looses A/V sync.
Back in the day I found that the autosync option fixed this; I've not needed that in years though, trying parallel building while playing video now I get lots of frame dropping, but the one or two frames per second that do appear are still in sync o_O Aspect ratio too I remember being a problem 5 or 6 years ago, but it's been so long since needing to correct it that I can't even remember how...
Mplayer still can't get out of Gnome/KDE setting my preferred audio card. And no real-time change of audio card is possible
I'm not aware of anything at the application layer to do these, but AFAIK pluseaudio will take care of them (inc
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Though personally I would consider possibility of making (even shitty) AMVs on Linux a great plus.
Fact that Linux still doesn't have half-decent "standard" movie editor is really frustrating.
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The fact that you link to an non Microsoft maintained collection of codecs with no verification that I've never heard of is just another possible security flaw.
F*ck security.
What the point of having secure (Linux) PC if it barely can play fraction of my video collection? Gathering dust???
P.S. And those are not "MS maintained" codecs - many are actually free software, some of it even GPLd. GPL software isn't limited to Linux, there are boatloads of Windows GPL software too. After introduction of WMS (Windows Media Service), multimedia support of Windows also plunged. Though at least with (free) 3rd party software one can get it all to work on Windows.
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Multimedia Playback on any Linux Distribution is Superior and easier to maintain.
You're nucking futs. I run Karmic x64 on my desktop system (and soon on this LT3103u - I tried Windows 7, but it is shit just like I suspected it would be) and even with all the codec packs installed for gstreamer and everything installed from the medibuntu repo I still get requests to install codecs that do not exist. Windows with the CCCP definitely has superior media support. Sure, it doesn't come with Windows, but no Linux distribution I've ever seen installs all the codecs to begin with, and even after
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VLC is helpless when it comes to HD and/or subtitles.
And FlashVideo quality is sorry but acceptable only for funny short videos on YouTube. Nor do I expect the the 4+GB 720p HD videos would be streamed any time soon.
Re:Anime on Ubuntu? Seriously?? (Score:4, Insightful)
You sound like you never heard of mplayer. I have been watching anime on Linux weekly for years, in several formats like mpeg, divx, realmedia and mkv!
B.S.
Softsubs were relatively recently properly implemented in Mplayer. (Though "couple of years" technically is "for years" too.)
Likewise, proper MKV support is also very young. Before Mplayer wasn't demuxing the files properly nor could switch between audio/subtitle channels on the file. Due to bogus demuxing audio skips were also common.
I'm not an Ubuntu user, I love the simplicity of elden distros like Debian and Slackware. Maybe it's just that Ubuntu doesn't have an mplayer package, or has its very own "Super Cool Ubuntu Media Player" that overshines it. Could anybody enlight me?
Getting Mplayer never was a problem. In past I was often even compiling it myself. No big deal.
The problem is getting the rest of it to work: audio and video.
Audio on Linux is a total mess, unless of course you are lucky to have single sound card in your PC (and distro of your choice hasn't succumbed to PulseAudio madness). Many have at least two, since modern MBs have some primitive card always on-board. Managing two sound cards under Linux is still a must, since most applications (Mplayer included) do not integrate with KDE or Gnome and bypass most of the configuration.
Video and video acceleration is much cleaner on Linux. In sense that it is completely absent. And to smoothly playback H.264 files of 720p/bigger resolutions one need either H/W accelerated video playback (which is mostly absent) or properly optimized H.264 decoder (and forked ffmpeg of Mplayer isn't).
If you would limit you statement that you have watched DivX/XViD anime for years then I might believe you. Otherwise - B.S.
Next on Slashdot: Linux is way too hard to develop on, it doesn't have a Visual Studio alternative!
Don't be idiot. I develop for *NIX and my WS is a Linux. For past 10 years (I have started on SuSE 6.2 in 1999). The problem is that kernel team refuses to manage kernel related libraries and interfaces and in Linux scape there not a single entity dealing with multimedia issues. Thus the chaos and frustration - due to lack of organization. Developer are there. But with distros being openly anti-multimedia not much can be done about it.
Well this was the best damn Fedora ad all week (Score:2, Funny)
Oblig XKCD (Score:5, Funny)
Guys, I'm disappointed you haven't got here already. http://xkcd.com/178/ [xkcd.com]
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You must be new he... UID 891430... wait what?
Re:Whisky Tango Foxtrot (Score:5, Informative)
A booth.
Some news.
Every year Ubuntu reaches out to 450,000 fans of various alternative music - punk rock, folk and many others, at Woodstock Stop in Poland.
(they have a small tent where they give out CDs and leaflets, and talk about the system.)
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The "for nerds" part. That lowers the threshold for trivia related to anime or Linux; both together means bonus points.
If Star Trek was involved as well there'd be a lot of monitors in need of wiping down...
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Man the nerd label is watered down these days. Back in My day it would have been Slackware floppies given away at recreational math conventions. Ubuntu Pah. Moving pictures with color and sound, Double Pah!
Now would all of you juvenile self-adjoint operators get off my hilbert space!
Re:I'm an Anime fan... (Score:4, Funny)
Sums it up nicely. This has to be the dumbest combination of two random things since someone tried to sell Windows 95 at a double glazing exhibition. Hey, we all like the word window, right? Don't we?
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A small part of me died, just now.
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And I want an OS based around gardening, sericulture and possibly quality headphones but then I've got my head stuck my ass and no life.
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What it means is that the video playing problems of Ubuntu, and other *nix distros in general, is acting as a barrier to bringing in the one group that relies heavily on video players. These users utilize more complex video (even if they don't know it). By bringing them in and getting a good solid player that works for them, you would -in theory- improve the video player for all users.
What bothers me is that a lot of slashdotters hold an elitist attitude about linux and it trickles down into an elitist atti
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Re:What? Why? Huh? (Score:4, Informative)
Granted their intentions are dubious, there's no need to illegitimate a fandom because you don't appreciate it. Anime is marketed for ages up to 35 and covers a wide range of genres not appropriate for children for reasons ranging from violence and sexual content (hentai gore etc) to slow moving plots and novel based stories which children would find boring or would not understand. I doubt that Grave of the Firefly's could be classified as a children's cartoon show, neither could Monster, Mushishi, and the Ghost in the Shell is really marketed at older teens to those in their late 20's.
You may not have even heard of most of these and that is probably because US TV doesn't think they should bother showing anime that is more for an older crowd that can appreciate serious themes. Part of that is because they know that people like you will turn on the tv, see animation, and immediately classify it as a children's show and switch. I'm going to guess that you're either someone in their late 20's or above and that you've only been exposed to things like Naruto, Sailor moon, Pokemon, etc and had an entire childhood of cartoons for kids.
I am not going to ask you to research or explore this beyond your exposure, but I will ask that you please not make an uninformed generalisation about a whole medium based on maybe filtered exposure to one of it's genres. It would also be nice for you not to be a dick.
Now get off my lawn kudasai
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