The People vs. George Lucas To Premiere At SXSW 149
skatepark builder writes "David Prowse, the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader (Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI), is starting 2010 off with two major accomplishments. His victory over colon cancer earlier this month means he'll live to see his top billing in a film premiering next month at the South by Southwest Film Festival. The People vs. George Lucas is a documentary attempting a balanced examination of the love/hate relationship Star Wars fans have developed with the filmmaker and his work over the past three decades. Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas, even though the title would suggest otherwise. According to the trailer, The People vs.George Lucas exposes the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas, including those like Prowse, who still refers to him as a 'master.' Philippe captures these opinions through filmed interviews, but perhaps more interestingly, he crowdsourced the commentary by soliciting fan submissions over the internet. The clips seen in the trailer appear to be funny, highly inspired, and are probably more concise than the recently released 70-minute YouTube evisceration of Episode I."
Re-re-re-release of Star Wars Episodes V! (Score:2, Funny)
"Wookiee" has been changed to "hair challenged animal" and that the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
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"Wookiee" has been changed to "hair challenged animal" and that the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.
DAMN IT! Why can't they just leave stuff alone.
"Ewok sex" is not nearly as much fun to say as "Wookiee Nooky"...
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Man, that new version must have sucked balls.
More concise... (Score:2, Informative)
Yes, quite possibly. More hilarious? No. Where are my pizza rolls?
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Actually, I watched that review a week ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. That guy echoes a lot of observations I had quietly held as my own, but also provides very tangible explanations of where George Lucas utterly failed to craft a proper story. It's so much more than a "What were you thinking, man! Jar-Jar?!?! You IDIOT!" rant. I think it's kind of funny that this commentary piece is nearly identical in size to the subject it's based on, and that's why I made the "concise" reference. But I agree it's fully worth watching for anyone who is interested in films as more than an excuse to eat popcorn in the dark. It's one reason I'm eager to see the People vs George Lucas.
Skatepark Builder
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Don't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in, you're gonna thank me.
Took over 6, but I listened to your advice, and I now wish to thank you.
This Star Wars review had a a lot more dead hooker jokes than I expected :)
He still hasn't seen royalties from ROTJ (Score:4, Interesting)
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You know, I might be able to see them making the argument very early on. It's the fact that 30 years later, with the movies still selling copies, they haven't exceeded their original numbers given 30 years ago when they said "no money for you, we didn't exceed the X dollars it cost to make the film". Any additional expenses later on, such as marketing costs, remastering costs, etc., should not be allowed to factor in when this guy's royalties are calculated, so that he's guaranteed to get something once the
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Any additional expenses later on, such as marketing costs, remastering costs, etc., should not be allowed to factor in when this guy's royalties are calculated, so that he's guaranteed to get something once the original number for cost is surpassed.
It's all about the wording in the contract, and gross vs. net, and whatever accounting tricks can get pulled behind the scenes. You'd have to be part lawyer, part accountant to really understand what's going on and if it's legal or not. It might be completely i
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Raping our childhood wasn't enough (Score:2, Funny)
He had to rape Darth Vader too
Re:He still hasn't seen royalties from ROTJ (Score:4, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting [wikipedia.org]
That article, I like the author of Gump's take (Score:2)
Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)
The franchise is dead. Lucas killed it. Not worth the emotional investment to lament or analyze.
Move on, people.
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Not quite that simple.
I want the Original Theatrical Release of Episodes IV, V, and VI in stores, along with a promise from Lucas and his estate that these films will always remain untouched and available alongside any 're-mastered' versions.
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makes me wonder if i should put those vhs's i got into a safe, or maybe i should dump them to hardrive and make them available via torrent tracker?
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Why? They released the unedited versions to DVD. Granted that weren't cleaned up or anamorphic, but certainly will be better quality than your VHS transfers.
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Why? They released the unedited versions to DVD. Granted that weren't cleaned up or anamorphic, but certainly will be better quality than your VHS transfers.
Even before that, very high-quality DVD bootlegs were available that were mastered from laserdisc versions of the films. I still watch these when I want to revisit the trilogy, rather than pay Lucas for copies of the worthless "special editions" just to get "official" versions of the unmolested films that look little better than the bootlegs.
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You could have been responsible for mine, or maybe not. I have a friend who is a scrupulous anti-pirate. I actually brought him a copy of the latest Nine Inch Nails album (one of his favorite bands) before release, and he refused to listen to it until he could get the CD in his hands. That said, he got himself bootleg copies of the original Star Wars movies, just like I did. I said, "Isn't it great to see them the way they were meant to be seen?" He said, "Yeah, way better than watching the stupid special e
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From another thead on this topic:
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And remember that Best Picture is clearly voted on by morons.
Purely-digital actors or not it does not deserve it, nor is jar-jar a good character. He would be out of place in a disney channel made for tv movie.
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Yes but they've been cheapened and reduced to just a product now thanks to his fiddling.
They always were a product but the illusion was there initially.
The Matrix sequels ruined the Matrix for me, I'm one of those people who gets invested in a universe and imagines things about it, Matrix is mostly dead to me and Star Wars hasn't been the same, between the editing of the originals and the prequels.
GP was correct, forget it and move on and if you haven't seen Indy 4, don't (so I hear, I refuse to watch it!)
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Star Wars has always been 'just a product'. Don't get me wrong, I adore the original 3 movies especially since I was a youth when I saw them in the theatres. Great Space Opera stories. That said, they ARE just a product and they are HIS products to fiddle with.
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Sorry about the random Australian store link but this is exactly what you want
https://www.jbhifionline.com.au/dvd/dvd-genres/sci-fi-fantasy/star-wars-trilogy-episodes-4-6-6-dvd-set/362116 [jbhifionline.com.au]
6 discs, two disc for each movie, first disc is the remastered, edited crap, the second is the original release. I watched the original release of IV a couple of weekends ago and it's still brilliant fun, even if you can clearly see that everything is plastic in the trench run.
What really needs to be released on DVD is the
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I want the Original Theatrical Release of Episodes IV, V, and VI in stores, along with a promise from Lucas and his estate that these films will always remain untouched and available alongside any 're-mastered' versions.
Why does this remind me of "The Ballad of Chasey Lain"? What makes you think you have the right to these things? Buy the used laserdiscs like everyone else. Last time I looked there were like four sets at Streetlight in Santa Cruz... well, three after I left...
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Many people saw the first movie as a child and so formed a larger than life view of it which they relate back to when they watch it again as an adult. They somehow expected a new movie seen in their adulthood to have the same impact, and it simply can't. Had they somehow never seen the first one until adulthood, it wouldn't have had that huge impact either. Sort of like going AHHHHH into a fan is no longer all that entertaining (with the possible exception that it can b
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The franchise is dead. Lucas killed it.
The franchise is still churning out TV shows [starwars.com] and selling merch.
A fandom i'll never understand (Score:5, Insightful)
I've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas. I was a Star Wars fan like most kids growing up in the late 70's had the action figures, the underoos, bed sheets, posters...all that crap and when the second trilogy was released I was excited about it. I took my kids to see the newer ones and they loved them like I loved the originals. I never expected the second series to have the same appeal because Lucas was farily consistant and aimed the new trilogy at the same age group he created the original for. The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children. I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids. What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy, but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at Ewoks.
I will admit to being irritated by the policical correctness of Greedo shooting first, but welcomed most of the other enhancements of the special editions, the xwing segment in episode 4 was particularly satisfying. I was equally upset with the guns being edited out of ET but I figure it just a sign of the times and it will likley correct itself in the future.
On a side note Lucas has done something excellent for grown up's recently...check out the book Blockbusting: A Decade-by-Decade Survey of Timeless Movies Including Untold Secrets of Their Financial and Cultural Success, its fantastic.
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I think Lucas really fucked up the new trilogy, but I could never hate the man or ever think less of him. I know he has done so much for film making, not just in investing in technologies/techniques/artists/pioneers... but also by inspiring many filmmakers, children, adults.. .etc
I just think the guy has plenty to be proud of. If he hasnt earned your respect before Episode 1.... well you should really reassess your opinion of the man. I think he's done plenty to be placed in high regard.
Yes, Jar Jar sucks d
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I had always felt it was George Lucas' story to begin with, and
that we were the kids sitting around the campfire letting him
tell it.
I've had some disappointments: there being a reason why the Force
is strong in a person--a scientific one kinda ruined the magic,
that clubs and rocks can beat a high tech destroyer of worlds,
that R2D2 could fly, that the ultimate thing the dark side could
do was, well, lightning (almost like finding out the Emperor's
wrath could make the Statue of Liberty disappear). But in this
ca
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The hatred is pretty easy to understand, if you think about the movies when they came out. Ep IV was decent, had a great story and was entertaining for the times. Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children. Ep VI was where a lot of fans went "WTF?" when the ewoks came out, but watched it anyways because they wanted a completed story arc.
The "enhanced" episodes are a degradation of the original movies in almost all ways. The new scenes almost all detract from the story or, worse yet, inject crap to bring
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In all honesty, I expected Ep I to have been comprised of all three movies edited together to produce a less than 2 hour introduction to Ep II and III. (The part where he turns into Vader would have been in Ep II, leaving Ep III to showcase Vader's destruction of the Jedi and entire worlds that stood in his way, showing the beginning of Ep IV (such as the scene where Leia creates the video in R2D2).
I agree that would have made more sense.
The root problem I think was that Lucas simply didn't have the plot material to fill three prequel films. Rather than making one movie with a strong story that culminated in the birth of Darth Vader, he threw in all sorts of random battles with irrelevant characters that served no other purpose than to pad-out the films and introduce new action figures. One review I recall called it "video game filmmaking" - just random action sequences strung together one after anoth
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I could go on. I think you are an example of the type of fan that Lucas has little regard for.
Anyone older than 8 is a fan Lucas has little regard forin the past 2 decades.
BTW, THX-1138 was a college project.
Re:A fandom i'll never understand (Score:4, Insightful)
I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.
The difference is that the original movies weren't just designed to appeal to kids, and stood up on their own. Plenty of kids grow up liking a certain movie as a child, but later grow out of it and realize it's a crappy kids movie. Is their a real cult following for the Beethoven (the dog) movies for instance? It looks like they made 6 of the things, but I've never heard there's a serious collection of adults that love those movies on the scale of Star Wars. There's plenty of stuff I loved as a kid, but later realized just how terrible it really is. Buck Rogers comes to mind. So I don't agree with your idea that the original Star Wars movies were just kid movies.
The hatred comes from just how bad the new movies ultimately were. Lucas just made a kids movie in space and forgot to hire decent actors, give them good direction, provide a decent storyline, etc. Jar Jar is merely the undeniable representation of this. I think a lot of the more extreme reactions come from some feeling of betrayal. Some people feel like Lucas was "one of them", and the new movies are a complete rejection of that perceived relationship.
I'm really interested in the movie, as I'm fascinated by the whole love/hate relationship people have with Lucas. The only thing that really pissed me off was Han not shooting first. That's just utterly wrong as it changes the character of Solo (which is just a big no-no). You don't mess with character development after the fact. The FX changes I didn't really care about to much, though most of them looked like crap.
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I disagree here.
I agree here.
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I think it's part of that whole "Without the fans, he wouldn't have had the money to make the new trilogy." mentality.
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heck, if one check out the new clone wars computer animated series, its clear its gunning for the flash gordon style entertainment that lucas himself grew up with, complete with grand storyteller opening of each episode.
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2) Name dropping Chewbacca for the sake of action figure sales, unless you're implying that Chewbacca simply forgot that he knows Yoda and it never came up in conversation.
3) Giving R2D2 a j
It's not about age group (Score:2)
It's about ruining the first trilogy with idiotic premises and horrible acting among other things.
The first group of movies was enjoyable by children and adults alike. Granted Jedi pandered to children with the whole Ewok thing but by and large the stories had universal appeal.
The second set of movies I've seen children fall asleep in. I took my then child cousins to the first movie because they'd never been to the cinemas and they said "Next time can we watch a good movie". One of them fell asleep in the s
No, your kids did NOT love them. (Score:5, Interesting)
Episode 1 is now 11 years old, meaning your kids should be teens by now. Do they quote the movies? Has it seeped into every part of culture? Is it everywhere you can look?
The toys you remember did NOT come out directly after the first movie, a lot of the merchandising you dismiss so easily came out DECADES later and was gobbled up. It is what makes Star Wars still the biggest earner out there.
The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO's have skipped the era. Bioware wanted to do Star Wars, but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart (thousands of years) that they could completly distance themselves from it.
If you study movies, Star Wars: A New Hope, must be included. It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous. If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but rather a new series. (Okay, so that is another thing we can blame lucas for).
Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc. Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact. It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer... who?
I enjoyed the blackhole as a kid too, but for the life of me I could not quote anything from it or even name the characters.
My mom took me to see the first movies and she enjoyed them herself. Did you enjoy them? Really? The bit with the small droids on the fighter aircraft? Then there is no hope for you.
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McHammer... who?
Indeed. Is McHammer some sort of Irish rapper who wears a super baggy kilt?
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No, he's a black dude who raps about burgers. [youtube.com]
Re:No, your kids did NOT love them. (Score:4, Funny)
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To be fair, there wasn't much competition to Star Wars at the time, and it was the first big Space opear. Now, there is loads of competition, lots of movies with great effects that get kids going, and loads of different franchises.
You can't fairly compare Star Wars and Ep 1.
That said, I think ep1 was a pile of garbage. Never have kids in sci-fi movies, nobody find that cute.
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If you study movies, Star Wars: A New Hope, must be included. It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous. If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but rather a new series. (Okay, so that is another thing we can blame lucas for).
If you study movies "The Hidden Fortress" must be included (see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/ [imdb.com] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Fortress [wikipedia.org]).
This was the basis for the simple story of Star Wars: A New Hope... Although the movie is black and white and 2 decades older I found it very entertaining, and the parallels with Star Wars are obvious.
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I agree. I can't really comprehend the sheer hatred of Lucas by some members of the SW Fandom. I liked Original Trilogy. I liked the Prequel Trilogy. I didn't like the Prequel Trilogy as much as the Originals (although I do like RotS more than RotJ), but I still like both. As do most people I talk to who would count as "people who like Star Wars", if not "SW Fans". They just don't go on the Internet and post incoherent rage filled rants.
I was 11 when I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters. I liked Jar-Jar the
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The first trilogy appealed to "Children of all ages." The prequels just appealed to children.
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The first trilogy appealed to "Children of all ages." The prequels just appealed to children.
Yeah I am sure kids are *really* interested in space taxes and political maneuvering.
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I agree. The Lucas hate is just a fanboy fringe thing that gets too much play on the internet.
I didnt expect episodes 1-3 to be any good. You cant take a director who hasnt directed in 30 years and suddenly expect him to be in peak form. If you have realistic expectations in life then you'll find yourself less outraged. Creative people often peak, usually early in life.
I also think its important to remember that Lucas is one of the few owners of a popular franchise that didnt turn it into crappy licensed
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I also think its important to remember that Lucas is one of the few owners of a popular franchise that didnt turn it into crappy licensed videogames. A lot of my Star Wars nostalgia has to do with the excellent games put out by Lucasarts as much as the original movies.
Actually he did. The contemporary Parker Brothers Star Wars games for Atari era systems ranged from terrible to mediocre. (I remember a friend's disappointment when he got this light saber game that made Pong look complicated.)
The Atari Star Wars arcade cabinet was one of the best though.
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The love/hate relationship obsessive fans have with their objects of devotion is indeed worthy of investigation. I looked through the archives at snpp.com, which record comments on/reviews of Simpsons episodes on the Simpsons newsgroup. The first episode they record any real reviews for, Radio Bart, is episode 13 in season 3. It got great reviews. With the very next episode, you start getting reviews saying that the Simpsons had lost its way, become crap, etc.. Obsessed Simpsons fans have been saying that o
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The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children. I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.
Whenever the conversation turns to Star Wars, there's always someone who brings up the theory of target audiences and nostalgia-tinted sunglasses. We are lead to believe that being kids greatly influenced our perception of the first 3 Star Wars movies and later it is nostalgia that continues to make us hold them in high esteem. I don't buy it.
As an adult, I've watched all the Star Wars films a few times. Heck, I even went to the theater to watch the re-released original series. And whenever I do, I noti
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The Nostalgia isn't just for the time, it's for movies which aren't just remakes or sequels. It's one thing to rehash an idea; it's been said there's only seven (or something) stories in hollywood, and only three are being made into movies. I wish I could remember the quote, or for that matter, who said it. Hollywood isn't just baking on nostalgia, they're enforcing it.
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What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy
1: Jar Jar had a lot of screen time to get farted on by a space cow and to step in space cow shit, but cool lighsaber force-sense action shots were cut from the movie. Remember how Darth Maul launches a couple of camera droids, and nothing happens about that? There was a scene of Qui Gon sabering one in half and then rushing to ship, but no, it had to be cut "for time". Time that was spent on multiple Jar-Jar + shit jokes.
2: I have a "french kiss Jar-Jar binks" lollipop toy [landoverbaptist.org] that I'm keeping as proof that th
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You'll never understand it, despite having had the toys and posters and underoos and what not?
I'll never understand it, because I was never that taken with Star Wars as a kid. Never had the toys, don't remember wanting them. Saw Star Wars once in the cinema. Meh. Had the choice between seeing Empire, and the The Incredible Hulk (the pilot episode was released theatrically in my country) and chose the Hulk. Never bothered seeing Jedi in the cinema.
So I'll never understand Star Wars fandom, period. Neither th
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...but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at Ewoks
This is something I'd really like to hear more of. I frequently hear the argument that as a 30-something, I can't have the same experience watching the prequels as a child does and I believe it. I was watching interviews about Star Wars and they were all 30-somethings and all talking about how great the original was. I wondered what would happen if people who were 30-something when the original Star Wars trilogy came out were interviewed.
If you don't like it... (Score:4, Insightful)
..don't watch it. I don't like how people think they can call changes to SW eps 1-3. As soon as you start making changes(remove Jar Jar, etc) it ceases to become Lucas' artwork, and moreso a "design by committee". Sure, this happens in meetings for filmmakers all the time, but I don't see how the fans have a say in someone else's art.
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On the other hand, the changes made to episodes 4-6 ceased to be young Lucas' artwork too. I'm not confident that the 2010 version of Lucas could have made those movies.
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Also, how are we supposed to know whether or not we'll like something until we actually see it? We might have past experiences that can lead us to form an impression, but until we actually see it for ourselves our assumption is based on second han
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As soon as you start making changes(remove Jar Jar, etc) it ceases to become Lucas' artwork, and moreso a "design by committee".
I think that's kind of the point.
but I don't see how the fans have a say in someone else's art.
Heh. There's an old cliche. "Good artists borrow, great artists steal". Obviously nobody has any legal rights to be able to take SW and change it around to their own pleasing. But you sound like you're going beyond that and claiming nobody should do this on some sort of moral or ethic
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Re:If you don't like it... (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's forget George Lucas for a moment, and focus on another filmmaker who was in the news recently, James Cameron. Now tell me: Are you of the school of thought that James Cameron is the greatest filmmaker of all time, or do you think that perhaps the fact that he gets to play with new toys before everyone else has something to do with his success?
How about Madonna. How about J.K. Rowling. Success may involve a lot of perspiration, but so does failures. Dumb luck is a far bigger part of it. Once you are established, you don't have to make the insane grab for people's attention again - they've invested in you, got to know you and your work, and they will want more - even if you strictly speaking don't deserve it.
Commercial artistic success is rarely something people deserve. Certainly they don't deserve the insane compensation - if art worked as any other market, you could look at the huge number of would-be supplyers, and the ease of reproduction, and conclude art would be essentially free. The reason it isn't, is _not_ that George Lucas or J.K Rowling or Mick Jagger or bloody whoever is that much better than all the wannabees. Think about it: if you gave 10000 people James Cameron's resources and opportunities, set them to make movies, did a blind test, you think Avatar would stand out as clearly the best?
Most successful artists think that they live by their art. They are wrong. They live by social inertia and network effects - lots of people wouldn't mind being obsessed about a film, few people would want to be obsessed about a film no one you care about has heard of. There can only be so many stars. What this means is this: Star Wars the movies, may be Lucas' work of art, but no one really cares about the movies. Star Wars the phenomenon is what people really pay for, and Lucas' role in creating that is small. It's almost non-existent. If Star Wars hadn't been created, we the people would have found something different to obsess about.
This is why fans should "have a say in someone else's art". In fact, fans are way too subservient, and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of "the artist" which appeared in the romantic period, and should have died a hundred years ago. Unfortunately, it became institutionalised (in large part through copyright legislation) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.
That is all.
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In fact, fans are way too subservient, and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of "the artist" which appeared in the romantic period, and should have died a hundred years ago. Unfortunately, it became institutionalised (in large part through copyright legislation) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.
That's one of the reasons why I love PC games that can be modded. It allows fans (who often know better than the original creators how things should be done or balanced) to have a hand in the creation and
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That's an interesting point I didn't know about! ... but I'm really talking about artistic contribution anyway.
I'm not really disputing that Madonna or James Cameron have self-promotion skills, obviously they have. But I do think that while these skills are a (small!) factor in they being the ones becoming stars as opposed to someone else, I don't think it makes that much of a difference in the end.
Yes, it's hard to imagine a major film without all these sorts of tie-ins today, but if for some reason tie-in
How about space opera that doesn't suck? (Score:5, Interesting)
Look, everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films. The Star [Wars|Trek|Gate|Craft] franchises have been done to death. Now a rehash of "Dune" is in production. Please.
At least we have James Cameron's "Avatar". Cameron is a master of production value. He spends a lot of money, but it pays off. Unfortunately, everything he does looks too much like a "Terminator" movie.
A film based on David Weber's work might be an improvement. But Hollywood would go for "March Upcountry", not the Honor Harrington novels.
Of course, the fundamental trouble with space opera is that it's no longer a plausible future. Space travel hasn't improved much in 40 years.
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I think Lucas nailed space opera in "Star Wars" (now retro numbered as "Ep IV"): the sense of wonder, the exuberant, don't look too closely at the seams where I stitched the archetypes together pacing. In large part its because he didn't have the budget or time to make it smooth and show you all the details. You'd see something just long enough to be interested (the Benny Goodman clarinet players in the cantina) then cut away before you had a good look.
But he couldn't keep it up.
Genres come and go in movi
How are they going to redo Dune? (Score:2)
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Look, everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films. The Star [Wars|Trek|Gate|Craft] franchises have been done to death. Now a rehash of "Dune" is in production. Please.
Just want to comment that I don't think the StarCraft franchise has been done to death yet. There's only been one single game afaik!
admire lucas for the original star wars (Score:5, Insightful)
because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admiration
if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?
if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs, does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest?
i don't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later missteps
as if we only get better with every year, as if no one ever makes mistakes
"what have you done for me lately" is a pretty selfish crude shortsighted and hypocritical way to evaluate people
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I read this as "in the very distant future, /. will be reporting on man's obituary"
and thought that was a frightening posthuman scenario.
Eh no, you are wrong (Score:2)
Because this would NOT be like Einstein becoming a creationist. This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it and then people slowly realizing that his original work was not his own work at all but that of the people around him.
If you are willing to read into the development behind the original movie, then you notice that Lucas had far less to do with that movie and had more people around him who were willing to oppose him, who he
I wish he hired his wife to write the final fight (Score:2)
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It's not that anyone hates Lucas for making crap. It's that we hate him for not allowing other people to make decent stuff out of Star Wars since then. Frankly the concept that someone can still retain copyright on heavily derivative works even after making so much profit already is just stupid. Nothing illustrates this fact better than Star Wars.
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if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?
if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs, does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest?
i don't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later missteps
You're right! Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter. Doesn't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.
John Wilkes Booth: Remembered as the famous actor that he was, not for one teensy tiny misstep he might had near the end of his life.
Good idea
that hitler was a painter (Score:3, Insightful)
or booth an actor doesn't matter, since neither endeavours are the most momentous things they ever did
star wars is the most momentous thing lucas ever did
hitler would be remembered as a painter, if he did nothing else of interest or moment after being a painter
meanwhile, i thought it was funny to see an ad for "pirhanha 3D" before watching avatar. why? because cameron started his career with the "piranha ii" movie. if cameron got hit by a car or decided to become a painter in 1982, "piranha ii" would be the
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You honestly think avatar: fern gully in 3d, was a better film than terminator?
my aesthetic impressions don't matter (Score:2)
box returns are the only determinant of any real world value
box returns are the only quantitative way we can evaluate how good or bad a movie was. every other determinant is subjective and therefore pointless and without merit. there's plenty of movies i think are far better than anything james cameron ever did, but made less than a million at the box office. and in my own personal hagiography, indeed, terminator is better than avatar, as you would agree. but the world doesn't give a shit about our fanboy l
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You're right! Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter. Doesn't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.
And Godwin has done a lot more for the Internet than codify that one law!
-- 77IM
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if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?
Yes, because it would mean he probably DID steal the work of Olinto De Pretto, thanks to the timely warning of Michele Besso.
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if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?
Yes, because creationism is incompatible with the scientific process. It would put all of his work in doubt.
You're building a strawman -- a person who at two different times in his life thinks and behaves in oposite and incompatible ways. Yes, it does happen, but it is usually explainable by an accident, as in this poor lady: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde [wikipedia.org]
And people should also look at... (Score:4, Informative)
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Hmmm... (Score:4, Funny)
the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas, including those like Prowse, who still refers to him as a 'master.'
So the retired Darth Vader refers to him as 'master'... can there be any further doubt that he's evil?
Patton Oswalt (Score:2)
That reminds me,what's the deal with being higher? (Score:2)
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It's a metaphor for being more righteous. He has the higher ground, because he is following the Jedi teachings, whereas Anakin is an apostate.
That being said, it's still totally retarded.
Those the same feeling that say it's ok (Score:2)
Err, those same teachings (Score:2)
i wonder.. (Score:2, Interesting)
The title does not suggest rage (Score:2)
"Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas, even though the title would suggest otherwise."
I suggest subbie take a course in reading comprehension.
"The People vs George Lucas" suggests that Lucas is going on trial, and arguments for and against his prosecution will be presented.
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For the anatomically challenged among you, it's the hole you pee through, not the one you sh1t through.
You pee thorough your urethra. Your prostate makes semen. The above reads like 'you digest food through your lungs' (because they both connect at the throat).
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No. Unfortunately, the Court refused to hear the case for lack of standing.
Interestingly, Mos Eisley does not have a criminal code, only a civil code. Han and Greedo's estate have settled the matter for an undisclosed sum, and have both launched a lawsuit against the Hutts for providing unsafe working conditions for both bounty hunters and their marks.