Internet Usage Catches Up With Television In US 119
Hugh Pickens writes "Joshua Brustein writes that, according to a survey by Forrester Research, the amount of time people spend on the Internet has increased 121 percent over the last five years with Americans now spending as much time using the Internet as they are watching television. And while people younger than 30 years old have spent more time with the Internet than television for several years, Forrester's survey shows that this is the first year that people in older age groups are doing so as well. Forrester's survey also shows a significant increase in the number of people using the Internet to watch streaming video with 33 percent of adults surveyed this year saying they use the Internet to watch video, up from 18 percent in 2007. However the rise of the Internet is not necessarily leading to a drop in television consumption because the Internet, and particularly the mobile Internet, simply creates more opportunities for people to consume media, says analyst Jacqueline Anderson with younger viewers increasingly comfortable with the Internet as the place to watch their television. 'For the younger population, the TV is still important, but where they're getting that content from is changing,' says Anderson. 'For the generations that are coming up, that's where we're going to see the cut.'"
Some people do not even watch TV (Score:5, Interesting)
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I'm in that category too, I use only Netflix and the broadcaster's websites to watch TV shows these days. We dropped the TV bit from our FIOS and haven't looked back. But the summary is confusing to me. I get the sense that they are saying that "watching TV" on the internet is still counted as "watching TV" with other internet activities (chat, reading, games, etc.) being the part that has seen a significant upswing.
I could be wrong though, that's just how I read the summary. ( and no I did not RTFA! :-)
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>>>I use only Netflix and the broadcaster's websites to watch TV shows these days
Wow. I haven't gone that extreme yet. 99% of the TV that I watch is "live" over the antenna since it's free of charge and includes a lot of movies I've not seen in decades (or ever). The only stuff I watch online is Cable programming like syfy's Stargate, Ghostfakers, et cetera.
Ya know - this is a prime opportunity for cable companies. I'd be willing to buy just Syfy, or the NBC bundle which includes syfy, but cabl
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Agreed on the a la carte programming. Their loss. I said broadcasters above but I should clarify that, similar to you, I mostly hit up cable channel websites like Comedy Central (Daily Show/Colbert), History, NatGeo, Discovery, etc... Can't say I like the parent companies much in a lot of cases but some of the programming on these channels is quite good. My wife on the other hand likes the soaps so for her it's all broadcasting companies online. We get terrible reception over the air and after hooking a com
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What's your zipcode? Just curious why you have lousy TV reception and yet have great internet connectivity.
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I think it has more to do with my equipment then location. I use older, std def TV's, have no external antenna and the digital to analog converter + set top antenna I tried didn't do crap. It's more of an unwillingness to spend on new stuff then anything. I've got 4 kids from 6 to 18 and can't even begin to count all the money I've spent over the years on computers, games, TV's, DVD players, etc. My wife and I decided a while ago that enough was enough so we use only the stuff that we have available around
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Sounds like you need a Channel Master CM4228.
----- It fits inside the TV room and receives stations upto 50 miles. If you put it in the attic, or on the roof, then the range is much longer. And cost is just 60-70 dollars.
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I only pay for a business connection from my cable company, and I splice off that line to get the analog stations (extended basic), and the unencrypted HD channels. That plus antenna satisfies my 'live' TV needs. Anything else, I can get off Netflix or Usenet.
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So from the marketdroids point of view, when you are both watching the TV and using a computer, which one do you pay more attention to. So for you has the TV just become background, whilst you a really actually focused on your computer.
So that statistical comparison between using the internet and watching the TV could actually be much worse for marketing on the TV than they realise, if they haven't checked for people doing both at the same time and the TV just being largely ignored background.
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Well, likely a bit more attention to the TV than the internet...but, often, when doing stuff around the house, and going to sleep at night, the TV is just for background. I can't go to sleep very easily in a completely quiet, pitch black room, the TV is a bit of a night
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Couldn't agree more.
There is plenty I would get on TV if I could pick and choose what I want. Instead they want me to buy some package and pay them 120-200$ a month for the privilege. So I get basic cable that I use basically to watch news and NHL games on every now and again, and use the internet for everything else. I have my TV hooked up to my computer anyway and a remote. As much as I would like my hockey in 1080p, I ain't spending what they want me to for all the stupid package BS.
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people (network execs) are afraid of finding out that nobody gives a shit about cnn, nbc, abc, etc and just wants sci fi and mtv.
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The externally-imposed schedule is what killed TV for me years ago.
I rarely watch TV anymore, but this 'externally-imposed schedule' is what draws me BACK to the TV... for those times when I'm so bored I can't think what to watch on the pc, it's actually nice to just switch on the idiot box and be spoon-fed for a while.
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I never watched TV on the network schedule, even before Tivo. I think my first purchase when I got my first decent job and moved out of my mom's basement was a VCR. I still haven't given up TV completely, but Netflix is looking pretty damn good to me. Even FFing past ads isn't as good as not having them to begin with.
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This. I went so far as to pick up a second VCR so I could record two shows at once and edit commercials out of the shows I wanted to keep (mostly STTNG and B5, IIRC). I got about four years' use out of a first-generation TiVo before building a MythTV box...nothing was wrong with the TiVo (I'd upgraded the hard drive and added a network interfa
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Add to that the single-use nature of cable and satellite (with the exception of those people with cable internet, but I have DSL at the moment) vs the multi-use functionality of a data connection,
Re:Some people do not even watch TV (Score:5, Insightful)
In other words, you still watch television.
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Depends. Is television the content or the delivery method?
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Television is the commercials.
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These are all delivery systems for advertising.
What's shown on them is at the discretion of the Advertiser.
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When I considered myself completely TV free, I wasn't watching anything on any medium, whether it be netflix, torrents, or plain old TV. Now that I have become addicted like usual when I begin watching anything with any regularity, I'm watching episodes of very particular shows for 3-4 hours per night on various "watch-show-name.com" sites...
I used to fill that time
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> if something else would be more profitable then it can be made as well
This would be true if there were was more money, actors, studios, editors, etc... available. You said shows "get cancelled because something else could be more profitable on the same time slot". This is true, but it's actually more general than that. Shows get cancelled because the resources that go into creating some show can get a higher return if they are used to create something else. The time slot is only one of the scarce reso
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The time slot is only one of the scarce resources.
It is, but I maintain that it's an artificial scarcity. If networks aired anything worth watching outside of primetime (although granted, there's very little worth watching *during* primetime), it could easily achieve a viable audience these days. This is mainly due to the advent of the set-top DVR, although there are always plenty of people with nonstandard working schedules.
As an aside, it's interesting to see how words enter our vocabulary and maintain
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You're also instant messaging, talking on Facebook, or posting on Slashdot that there's nothing good on TV.
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I am one of the people that does not even watch TV. With stuff like Hulu and even Netflix, there is no need. You can watch all of your shows online.
In other words, you still watch television.
This isn't really a distinction without a difference. He's watching a show but he's not watching a network. Remember that the purpose of a commercial television station is to sell a product (your eyeballs) to customers (the advertisers.) Commercials are how the networks collect their chips. The bits that go in between are how they keep the eyeballs watching. What's that again? Oh, right -- television shows. That's why the execs don't really care about art or quality and they'll air idiot reality shows as so
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I watch TV. But usually I'm streaming Netflix or watching iTunes content on the Apple TV. I no longer have cable. I have rabbit ears attached to my TV for watching sporting events and PBS stuff for the kids.
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Re:Some people do not even watch TV (Score:5, Funny)
Pfft, I don't even have a computer to watch Hulu on. I'm posting this by shorting the terminals on a token ring cable.
you pamper basterds. (Score:1)
At least you have a token ring to use!
I only have a 1968 paper tap input device and 1/2 the pins don't work so I have to poke holes with my pen.
It's networked by an old fashion phone in suction cups modem system.
And I walk to work and back home up a hill both ways.
And do you know what? I like it!
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Pfft, I don't even have networking cables, I use butterflies.
http://xkcd.com/378/
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We have a 13" black and white TV and a digital converter box in the garage "just in case" our internet connection goes down and we can't get the news. Or if we still have a connection, but the news is so spectacular that major news outlet sites crash, we can rely on plucky tech communities to shoulder the burden (I'm looking at you, Slashdot of September 11, 2001).
I even have a usb tv adapter that I use from time to time with some rabbit ears just to see local news. No need to pull out the TV!
Otherwise, we
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To say that you do not watch TV is disengenuious. You do watch TV, you just do not watch it on a Television [set]. Regardless of how you control the content and/or the ads - you *do*, watch, tv.
Wow (Score:2)
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Glad to hear you're ok area man! [theonion.com]
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The shitstorm of commercials and space-filler programming made me despise most TV years ago. No wonder the "choiceful" internet is gaining ground.
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I wished Netflix didn't do subscriptions and did on demand since I don't watch many movies and old TV series/shows.
Too bad AMC didn't show the rest of season 1 online. :(
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VHS (Score:2)
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If Wikileaks and Anonymous proves anything, it's that no one controls the internet. There are a lot of interested and powerful people unable to stop what's going on.
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>>>Broadcast TV is simply not for me.
Why's the subject say "VHS"? What was your point? (just curious). You're missing out with the broadcast tv, because where I live I get 40+ channels of news, sports, movies, international programming, retro-classic shows, and even a Music video channel --- completely free. Not one penny goes to the Comcast monopoly.
And yeah I still use the VHS (to copy shows off the DVR for long-term storage). Eventually my 3 old VCRs will probably die but until then I'll ke
Breakaway year for Internet appliances (Score:5, Interesting)
I think 2010 has obviously been the break away year for Internet appliances like Bluray players with Youtube/Pandora/SocialFoobar built in. If the Internet is ever going to break, it might happen this holiday season with all the extra streaming.
Goodbye Free TV? (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe it IS time to get rid of free, antenna-based TV (channels 2-51) and replace it with some kind of free wireless internet service. My only fear is that it won't really be free and end-up costing me ~$25/month.
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That's my chief concern. There's going to be a critical mass going over to online offerings after which you can be damned sure the ISPs are going to put their foot down, and one way or the other, it will begin costing real bucks.
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All you need to do is put up a piece of metal (an antenna) and there's tons of content for free - In fact in many locales, "free" over-the-air HDTV is of better quality than the compressed HD service you get from the cable company. There's no 'free' internet -
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or go unload the dishwasher
You do THAT to your girlfriend while she's washing dishes?!
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or go unload the dishwasher
You do THAT to your girlfriend while she's washing dishes?!
Considering most slashdotters traditionally live in their mom's basement, its actually a bit creepier than that.
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It does boggle my mind that the $0/month over-the-air HDTV is 10X better quality than Cox $50/month cable HDTV. The only exception is FIOS HDTV. I far and away prefer the FIOS picture over OTA.
That is because the pipes for the cable hdtv can only have so much throughput. If they want to put in more hdtv channels then the content has to be compressed or the throughput needs to be increased. COX obviously is going the compression route.
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There's no 'free' internet
Sure there is -- it's called "unsecured wireless".
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Sure there is -- it's called "unsecured wireless".
Back in the good ol' days when the wireless routers shipped with security off by default, my neighbourhood was choc-a-bloc with these. Not any more...
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I can usually get an unsecured hotspot at home, and at the bar also. The bar's hotspot is password protected, but they don't protect the password, and there's someone in the neighborhood with an unsecured hotspot. The laundromat with its "free wifi" sign is unsecured as well.
I guess it depends on where you are. If I see an SSID of "netgear" it almost always is unsecured.
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No I was talking about the US FCC selling-off broadcast/antenna channels 2-51 for use by wireless internet.
I'd be okay with that but I'd not be happy seeing my monthly TV bill increase from $0.00 to ~25 just to watch Glee and local news/weather.
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Certainly it will not be free.
Getting rid of OTA tv will make life interesting for the local stations, since there won't be any local transmitters. That makes the concept of must-carry status a bit fuzzy on the cabletv.
Honestly, I would not miss endless daytime springer reruns and 4 hours of infotainment-psuedonews talking about cookie recipes and live onsite coverage of rain, snow, and wind. Oh and hot and cold temperatures too.
There is a lot of money tied up in local TV stations, which will have a lot t
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>>>Getting rid of OTA tv will make life interesting for the local stations
They'll just broadcast their content over their websites (example: wbal.tv) instead of using a 50,000 watt antenna. And of course the FCC will require they keep their location on the local Cable lineup.
As for the endless reruns of Springer, Judge XYZ, and so on..... obviously somebody is watching/taping those shows else they'd not be there. Those persons get their free daytime entertainment, and I get my free primetime line
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The problem with broadcasters, is that they don't realize what Google does, they are making money from advertisers in their air broadcast, but they refuse to make money from advertisers on the Internet. I'm thinking this is more of a Cable company push, that doesn't allow TV channels of getting rid of the "middle man" (cable companies) in the business.
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I'm surprised it didn't happen more quickly TBH (Score:1)
Somewhat surprising it took until now... with our jobs often centered around working on the internet (as is the case for quite a many people even outside IT)... then of course staying in touch via personal email, facebook, etc. I could understand that the elderly had further to go, but in reality managing those things is pretty consuming (even without online gaming, etc).
As mentioned by others, I consume 99% of my television via Netflix. Usually once a series has finished I'll watch the whole thing in a wee
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The fun thing is to watch an entire series over the course of a month or so.
The realization that you've just watched like _7 years_ worth of programming in a month is always awesome and scary at the same time.
Also watching episode after episode, you notice things (some good, some bad) that you wouldn't if there was a week between each episode. For instance Babylon 5 gets very depressing for like 2 seasons. I didn't notice it as much when I was watching it on TV .. but you watch it back-to-back .. and it's a
Progression --- (Score:5, Insightful)
1940's person has dinner with the radio playing Fibber McGee, Jack Benny or Fred Allen
1970's person has TV dinner, Pizza, etc., while watching Television
2000's person has dinner at their personal computer.
2010's person has dinner at their mobile laptop/device/tablet
FWIW, I stopped watching TV actively about 10 years ago (excepting World Cups) The internet is far more entertaining that TV.
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Actually, dinner time has become my only TV time. It's when I catch up on shows, but I watch Netflix DVDs 95% of the time, so does that count as internet? :-)
Where do video games land here? My HDTV shows more video games than TV or movies.
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Actually, dinner time has become my only TV time. It's when I catch up on shows, but I watch Netflix DVDs 95% of the time, so does that count as internet? :-)
Where do video games land here? My HDTV shows more video games than TV or movies.
Games are all part of whatever interaction is taking place on the device - 1.3 million (IIRC) copies of some MMORPG iteration sold the other day - how many hours does it take to get anywhere in one of these games - 70, 150, 300 or more? That time isn't spent watching ads for the new Ford, Revlon products or what Bernie Madoff & Son can do for your portfolio.
I know people who sit around texting all the time while eating. It's so weird at work to enter the break room and see everyone on a device of some
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My dinner table holds up my rock collection.
I eat at the computer or while watching DVDs on my mini-DVD player.
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1940s many people have radios, few have televisions, neighbours still say hello
1970s most people have televisions, neighbours watch other people getting stabbed out front on the street
2000s many people use computers, being taken to war by a lying President seems ok
2010s people talk Likelish, use SMS spelling (OMG LOL) in schoolwork, and Reality Television makes the challenges of scriptwriting and acting unnecessary
2025 Idiocracy
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It became normal to eat in front of the TV on July 20th, 1969
Obvious question (Score:2)
Is of course how long television is going to be around.
From my perspective, television offers no real benefit over the internet for transferring video. The same can probably be said about VOIP vs. POTS (aside from reliability I guess).
There are of course two obstacles:
Mass adoption (not _everyone_ has high speed internet yet.. ).
And the big one.. the “big guys” don’t want it to happen.
I envision a day when everyone has one line (and I hope to the fire cactus that it’s fiber) coming t
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>From my perspective, television offers no real benefit over the internet for transferring video.
Except, of course, for the lack of network congestion when 6000 people are either transfering 2.5MB/s total to watch an episode of Star Trek or 15,000 MB/S to watch one episode of Star Trek, all at the exact same moment.
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Except, of course, for the lack of network congestion when 6000 people are either transfering 2.5MB/s total to watch an episode of Star Trek or 15,000 MB/S to watch one episode of Star Trek, all at the exact same moment.
You are making an assumption that means you really, really don't get it, yet. It lies in the very end of your statement: exact same moment.
Internet TV is *never* done at the "exact same moment". I watch Burn Notice sometime over the weekend. It's campy enough to not take itself seriously, an
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It lies in the very end of your statement: exact same moment.
Internet TV is *never* done at the "exact same moment".
Right, and if everyone works 9-5 and gets home and either watches TV between 5-7 or 7-9 ("prime time"), then nobody will be watching the show "at the exact same moment," several frames to several minutes away instead; yet they will all be watching *a* show at the exact same moment, and many will be watching the same show but not at the same point, and besides-- we can't multicast effectively...
This would or could allow shows to be cached locally within an ISP's network, preventing the un-necessary transfer of files repeatedly over the upstream pipe.
And downstream pipe? ISP to Home isn't that big, you know. The network simply doesn't work that way; NetFlix H
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Single point of failure - Internet access goes out, start thinking again.
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Sure, although people do that here. You can get a phone, cable, and internet "bundle" through the local cable provider (Eastlink). All comes through one wire.
It has gone out (we had a hurricane a while back that knocked it out). People manage.. most people have a cell phone they can use in an emergency.
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Cable operators will run a real risk of just turning into a dumb pipe that leads to content provided by others.
This is probably the biggest obstacle. The companies for the most part run the networks required by the other companies who want to cut into their television business. They either have to find a way to profit in this new frontier .. or dig in their heels and hold on as long as possible, and given the history in situations like this, I have a good guess which they'll do.
To quote Star Trek (Score:2)
Data: I think he means television, sir. ... That particular form of entertainment did not last much beyond the year Two Thousand Forty.
Are people's habits really changing? (Score:2)
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Or is this just because we all keep getting older, the oldest are dying and the youngest are learning to use a computer?
The old quote used to be that young people always think their generation was the first to invent sex and music, and I guess we have to add "use computers" to that list.
I actually watch more TV in all forms now (Score:2)
Someone has to say it (Score:1)
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tv is irrelavent (Score:4)
TV is irrelevant. It is a complete waste of time. I already know enough about soap and female deodorant products to last me a lifetime.
They blew it. This is a one way street. There It is really nice not having a cable bill!
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The bigger bill to be free of is the 60+ hour bill of your time every month.
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anecdote: (Score:2)
Most people I know watch tv and use the internet..at the same time. shocking!
TVs & Movies vs Internet & Games (Score:2)
I personally much prefer getting drawn into a compelling interactive story than having the story force fed to me, with no pause or rewind... esp if the story is interleaved with commercials. TV & Cinema just seem so antiquated.
I enjoy socially interacting with friends, family, and strangers online in games or forums, IRC, etc. more than I enjoy trying to get excited about someone else's sport-game, game-show, or stale "evening news" that I've already read online.
I stopped watching TV when I discovered
lots of live sports are not on line (Score:2)
lots of live sports are not on line
Probably not missing much (Score:1)
Well *I* watch TV... (Score:1)
TV is like radio. You allow others to decide what you see and hear so you don't have to decide anything. TV is for those times you are not e
TV and Net both tools of the devil (Score:2)
I gave up my TV over 10 years ago and have since discovered that ...while TV and its relentless ad madness and vapid programming are soul-sucking ...with the Net you have the freedom to leap into the pit of hell from whatever part of
like an upside-down Kansas tornado,
the rim you choose, thereby retaining some measure of control of which rocks you
hit on your way to rock bottom.
Progress indeed.
Dinosaur service (Score:1)
Not in the US, but not that many weeks ago I had a door-to-door salesthing trying to sell me cable. My response was basically "Sorry, I have an internet connection." They had absolutely no response for that. Not even "If you buy cable package X, it generally costs less per month than the equivalent bandwidth would." Nuthin'.
Honestly, broadband internet is fairly ubiquitous and mostly cheap. And if I want to watch actual TV shows, I can watch them whenever I want. I get no ads before, after, or during. I g
Net replaces TV (Score:2)