'Star Wars: Episode VII' Gets a Name 267
schwit1 writes If you feel a disturbance in the Force, it's millions of voices suddenly crying out the new title of Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens. The reveal comes as the movie finishes its final day of shooting (with many more months of post-production to come.) Although there were still a few days left of shooting, the cast of the J.J. Abrams film already celebrated their wrap party last weekend, following a bumpy few months of principal photography thrown into crisis when Han Solo himself, Harrison Ford, broke his leg on set in an accident involving a falling door on the Millennium Falcon.
No thank you (Score:3, Insightful)
I wasn't interested in seeing J.J. Abrams skullfuck Star Trek; if you think I'm going to watch him do it to Star Wars as well, you're sorely mistaken.
Not even mentioning the name. After midi-chlorians...the Force is already awake...just no.
Re:No thank you (Score:4, Funny)
At least Millennium Falcon seems to be in the correct shape.
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Whats wrong with the shape? do you think it's not aerodynamic enough for space?
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how about it being bigger on the inside? The cockpit as shown on screen is bigger on the inside than the outside.
what do they think this is? Doctor who?
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Might as well be box or cube shaped for all I care.
We are the Borg. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile ...
Wouldn't it be great fun if Star Trek invaded Star Wars?
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Re:No thank you (Score:5, Insightful)
The ST reboot really divided fans. I skipped boy scouts to see The Man Trap when it first aired, consider myself a fan of TOS, less so of the ones that came after, (when they transitioned from action-with-a-dose-of-philosophy to Endless Meetings) and I really enjoyed the reboot. Just sayin'. I even enjoyed Into Darkness.
But regardless of what one thinks of Abrams, he wasn't responsible for the midichlorian silliness. Lucas had crapped thrice (some would say three-and-a-half times, to include certain aspects of RotJ) on Star Wars long before Abrams got his mitts on the property.
I think Abrams has done good stuff and bad stuff and stupid stuff. (The Enterprise engine room is a great example of "stupid stuff".) But I suspect, whatever he does with Star Wars, it'll be better than The Phantom Menace. (I still think Lucas must have had a stroke while they were in planning for TPM, and everyone was too frightened of him to mention that he wasn't making sense anymore.)
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what? the engine room was one of the smartest things he did.
TOS engineering room could in no way support everything 430 people would need on a 5 year mission.
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what? the engine room was one of the smartest things he did.
TOS engineering room could in no way support everything 430 people would need on a 5 year mission.
The size of the engine room, agreed. The design (in the first film) not so much. (It did improve in the second film.)
You're absolutely right about TOS engineering room, it was a cheap, dinky set. But I watch TOS with the expectation that the sets aren't going to be any better than you'd see in a stage play. But in the reboot, I expected more high tech, less brewery.
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The engine room of "Into Darkness" was the finest ignition facility in the American armada!
https://www.llnl.gov/news/nati... [llnl.gov]
You're right, and that made a HUGE difference in the look of the film. But I'm pretty sure that some of the shots were still in the brewery.
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The ST reboot really divided fans. I skipped boy scouts to see The Man Trap when it first aired, consider myself a fan of TOS, less so of the ones that came after, (when they transitioned from action-with-a-dose-of-philosophy to Endless Meetings) and I really enjoyed the reboot. Just sayin'. I even enjoyed Into Darkness.
I like "classic" Trek because it is actually optimistic and tries to make you think; the plot isn't about the Federation betraying some guy who then goes back in time and starts blowing up entire planets full of civilians while Chris Pine gets to smirk around the bridge of the Enterprise which has been conveniently given to him.
But regardless of what one thinks of Abrams, he wasn't responsible for the midichlorian silliness. Lucas had crapped thrice (some would say three-and-a-half times, to include certain aspects of RotJ) on Star Wars long before Abrams got his mitts on the property.
Yeah, no argument there. But I know better than to say, "how could they possibly do it worse" because as soon as I say that and go see it, there's a strong chance I'll find out.
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> But I know better than to say, "how could they possibly do it worse" because as soon as I say that and go see it, there's a strong chance I'll find out.
Agreed. Anyone who isn't approaching this film with extreme caution hasn't been paying attention. But there are parts of the advance information that gives me hope. Not the least of which, I think they realize they can't crap out another set of films like the prequels, and that they really want to get back to the "filmed on location in space" feel of
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I'm expecting a death star with a big round indentation and two smaller indentations to the upper left and right of it.
That and a shot of the Senate in which you can see Donald Duck in one of the distant seats.
Re:No thank you (Score:5, Insightful)
Midiclorians is a special grade of boner - it doesn't make sense, goes against the existing continuity, AND if it's true, the whole moral stance of the Jedi is a lie (as in, they don't get more power by meditating, learing to control their emotions (all that stuff Yoda was teaching Luke in the original series), and somehow becoming morally fit to serve as the galaxy's force for order and niceness, their power comes simply from being genetically prone to high Midiclorian counts). Midiclorians mean no one can become even the poorest grade Jedi by trying to follow all of Yoda's teachings, even if they practice for their entire lives. All that talk about not giving in to fear because it leads to anger is just guff to manipulate the masses. This is all something the film that introduced Midiclorians specifically announced was affected by heredity, and the whole point is reinforced by Luke being a descendent of the most powerful Midiclorian bearer known.
With Midiclorians, the Jedi are genetic superhumans who lie to the rest of the galaxy and only claim their authority comes from their moral code and devout worship of the Force. The Jedi and Sith become nothing but two cabals of hidden Nazi Ubermensches, and whichever one wins will continue lying to the common people, practicing cynical realpolitik, but neither group will really believe in such values as truth, democracy, or freedom - the Jedi will just use their lies to put the old Princess system back into power instead of the new Emperor. I quit watching the series after that, because I fully expected the next movie would reveal Yoda was a cannibal necrophiliac and Han's grandmother was really Heinrich Himmler. Frankly, Star Wars would have to stand on a stack of Wookies equal to the total number of Midiclorians every Jedi in history was infected with, just to be able to see the slimy underbelly of the morally bankrupt ending to Ralph Bakshi's Wizards. (Which was repugnant, if funny, but much more palatable than what Star Wars became).
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WTF? You think the engine room is a better example of stupid stuff in Abrams-Trek than Kirk being promoted from a (fuck-up, insubordinate) cadet to captain in the space of a few days and then keeping the captaincy after the crisis has passed? Or interstellar transporters, which would render starships entirely obsolete (if they didn't just ignore that implication)? Or any numbe
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if you think I'm going to watch him do it to Star Wars as well, you're sorely mistaken.
That's okay then. I've never given a moment's thought to what you think.
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Good thing I was addressing you specifically, then.
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However, "Into Darkness" was actually pretty good. I was hesitant at seeing Cumberbatch play Khan, but damn, he did a helluva job. It's good.
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I'm about 85% certain this is a Poe.
So on the off chance it isn't, because sci fi is very serious business and we can't joke about such things, you have it precisely backwards about those two films. The first one was brilliant despite the lens flare, and the second one was a hamfisted attempt at fanservice.
It is true that Cumberbatch's portrayal of Kahn isn't what dragged Into Darkness down, hence the lingering 15% doubt.
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I agree. It was completely unrecognizable as Star Trek. It was blasto-shoot-em-up-mega-action-wowzer-movie IN SPACE. There were no characters and it had the barest shreds of a plot.
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Cumberbatch's main claim to fame is playing a camp version of Sherlock Holmes.
I liked the Robert Downey Jr version, so couldn't see why so soon the Americans had to make a TV series with Jonny Lee Miller, nor the BBC with Benedict.
But then Moffat ruined Doctor Who also. :)
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"At one time, it was believed that the Force was the collective intelligence of microscopic organisms. Later, Jedi scientists discovered that they were merely attracted to the Force, not the creators of it".
As an added bonus, we'd get Jedi Scientists which sounds like it could be really cool if they didn't fu.... oh well, so much for that plan.
Now if you'll excuse me, duty at the Jedi Science Academy calls...
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Re:No thank you (Score:5, Insightful)
I wasn't interested in seeing J.J. Abrams skullfuck Star Trek; if you think I'm going to watch him do it to Star Wars as well, you're sorely mistaken.
Not even mentioning the name. After midi-chlorians...the Force is already awake...just no.
Millions of the rest of us will enjoy seeing it without you.
Millions of the rest of us will see it without you. Some, perhaps most, will enjoy it.
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I'll concede your point if you can name 3 reboots in the history of TV that have been of equal quality (not even better than) the originals.
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That is odd since these are sequels and not reboots.
And also they are movies, not TV shows, in this case.
Be that as it may...
Man of Steel is way awesomer than the old superman movies. Drop the nostalgia and watch them, and you will see.
Dark Knight was way better than the batman movies of the 90's, and you know it is true.
Battlestar Galactica. Only a moron would argue.
So there's three....and I didn't even have to mention gimmies like Dr Who.
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I think you got two out of three. Man of Steel, while I give a lot of credit for the production design and origin story, had way too many buildings getting Superman/Zod trails followed up with Primal Screams...Richard Donner's version was much better (except for the world rotating backwards, I personally view it as a visualization that he had the power to reverse time).
I'm definitely looking forward to Episode VII.
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Well, I'm so glad you managed to elevate the discussion by complaining about people complaining. That's so much better than the initial complaining.
Sup dawg, I heard you hate Internet bitching so I gave you a forum that involves lots of Internet bitching, so you can go there and see people bitching, and get mad, and contribute to the bitching yourself. Oh, and condescension.
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Battlestar Galactica. Only a moron would argue.
Well, I guess I'm a moron then. (And before you ask, I watched the entire show through to the very last episode.)
The two incarnations of BSG were from very different times, culturally. And if you say rebooted BSG *as a whole* was better than the original, even not having seen more than an episode or two of the original, I'd have a hard time believing that. If you limit it to the miniseries and the first two seasons, maybe; but after that it was just an extended slow-motion train wreck of plot threads that d
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Man of Steel has one glaring flaw.
No John Williams theme.
That is an unforgivable sin.
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The Fly, the original costumes and make up took away from the story
Scarface, the original was from 1932
True Grit, the original was a spaghetti western
There are probably even more westerns that were better then the originals but you get the point there are more then a few remakes that exceeded the originals.
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Oceans 11, the original was an awful musical.
Really? Well, it had the Rat Pack in it which I thought people regarded highly.
The Fly, the original costumes and make up took away from the story
Both the original and the '80s version are rated in the 90th percentile according to Wikipedia.
Scarface, the original was from 1932
True Grit, the original was a spaghetti western
Neither of those are really criticisms...
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I'll point out that I said reboot, not remake. Did any of those you listed have sequels/series? The '80s Fly had a sequel...according to the W it did well in box office but was panned by critics (which admittedly doesn't say much since the critics tend to be idiots).
Don't know about you, but the preview for the recent True Grit looked terrible, so saying the original was a spaghetti western (and by implication crap?) doesn't buy you anything there.
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But the recent movie True Grit was in fact NOT terrible, very rewatchable, and won an Academy Award.
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Methinks you don't know what a "spaghetti Western" is. "True Grit" is not one.
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And don't forget that before Peter Jackson, the best available movie version of Lord of the Rings was an animated musical.
And finally, does anyone seriously believe Adam West was better as Batman in the 1960s than any of the more recent movies?
I think that's three.
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Only have one off the top of my head... Battlestar Galactica.
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Thou shalt not speak ill of the original Battlestar Galactica!
*hums the theme to himself while hugging himself and rocking back and forth*
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My understanding from fanboy sites is that J.J. recognizes the criticisms on lens flares and he's backing off on them. Same with the time travel reboots.
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It's hard to blame anybody else for screwing up Star Trek with Time Travel, given the original series had time travel by Slingshot maneuver around a stellar mass, the Guardian of Forever, visiting a planet that looks just like Roaring 20's Chicago or Alternate History Rome, and something involving roling in the snow with a fur clad Mariette Hartley. There's at least 5 different ways to get displaced in time in TOS, It's the series biggest weak spot. Some of these were very good episodes - City on the Edge o
proper name! (Score:5, Funny)
"Star Wars Episode VII: Belated Cash Grab" ?
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Enh. If they were really only after a cash grab, they could just re-release the original six with different covers and more and more FX added. It would be less work.
Re:proper name! (Score:5, Funny)
star wars episode vii: rise of the lens flare
I think Brooks had it with (Score:5, Funny)
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Pretty cool (Score:3)
I like the name; I think it's good. The most interesting part of star wars is the force (and the jedi, as the primary force users). Suggesting that the force is central to the story by naming it in the title gives me hope.
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Suggesting that the force is central to the story by naming it in the title gives me hope.
Would that be a new hope?
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Suggesting that the force is central to the story by naming it in the title gives me hope.
Would that be a new hope?
They'll wait until the first re-release, call it "a NEW new hope" and pretend that was the name all along.
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by naming it in the title gives me hope.
The title also gives me a new hope ...
Re:Pretty cool (Score:4, Insightful)
The jedi were cool and popular. So they based the whole prequel trilogy around them, and we all know how that turned out. Sometimes the best thing you can do if leave the coolest chacter in the sidelines.
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No, the focus of the prequel trilogy was human drama, which is never enticing. If it had actually been about the force it would have been amazing, but instead it was about fucking Jar-Jar, Anakin's anxiety, and stillborn babies.
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Let me ask you this: did we really need a pod race? What does it establish? What does it add? Is it exciting? And yet we spend a good half hour on that bullshit on Tatooine, half an hour that could have been spent observing the ways of the Force. I wonder if there's even a hundred people who liked the original trilogy who had a positive opinion on Watto. Was that something we needed, George Fucking Lucas?
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The first one was stiff and annoying, but it had some good moments. The second and third films are much better.
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The second and third films are much better.
Joking, surely. Attack of the Clones is unwatchable.
Re:Pretty cool (Score:5, Interesting)
The reason I lump all three prequels into the "suck" category is the fact that Anakin Skywalker as portrayed by Christensen completely breaks continuity from Darth Vader as he was in the original trilogy. The prequels would be fair movies on their own if they didn't break that continuity of character that needed to flow into the story of the original trilogy (plot holes not withstanding). Vader was brooding, analytical, calculating, and intolerant. Granted the expanded universe books have been declared null and void to the discussion of the movies, but if I remember right, those books have said that the brooding and calculating traits were with Anakin from the beginning when he was found by the Jedi; which contributed to his being consistently alienated from the Jedi Order. Looking at the portrayal in the prequels (regardless of this is to be blamed on Christensen or the writers), that Anakin was whiny, impatient, reckless, and thoughtless right up to the moment he burned. Essentially, Anakin had the complete emotionally opposite core personality from Vader. People's core personality won't change like that unless they suffered major brain injury (not something that was indicated when he burned in the fire pits).
Another part of the prequels that broke the Anakin story for me was the whole messiah complex that was going on. On one hand, I can see the irony of inserting that into the story. "He's the one who will restore balance to the Force." Well, he did. He increased the weight on the Dark Side to counteract the complacency of a Light Side that had been suffering from having too much power for too long. But it's also something that contributed to breaking the character continuity. Vader would have come from a child who was bullied by everyone, and set up to fail often (nurturing his intolerance for the failure of others). Someone who was berated every time he opened his mouth (becoming a man who only speaks when absolutely necessary). Someone who was chastised for putting a voice to his pain (emotional expression is nullified). Someone perpetually on the outside of society's cliques (perpetually the loner). Someone who's survival and success depended on his ability to quickly create a strategy of subversion and the balls to act on it. Anakin was none of this. He was the entitled brat that always wanted more, never shut up about how he was supposedly wronged, always sought acceptance of others, and never came up with a plan of action on his own. Whenever he was bullied he was always rescued, beginning with Qui-Gon rescuing him from Watto and ending with Palpatine rescuing him from the fire pits.
Think back to the prequels: Anakin was a capable fighter, but he always got into a situation he needed to be saved from...and there was ALWAYS someone there to pick him up and kept him from absolutely failing. When did we ever see Vader needing to be saved from a situation? Hell, when did Vader ever truly lose control of a situation? Maintaining situational control is not something an entitled brat ever learns to do. When they start losing control of a situation, self-control will go out of the window and there wouldn't be any regrouping to recalculate, only perpetual knee-jerk reactions. Those with an entitlement complex don't adapt well to adversity. Those who are constantly beaten down, however, do; and Vader's success is through his ability to quickly formulate and act on a new plan.
tl;dr version using chess piece powers as reference: Prequel Anakin was a pawn that does not offer a logical character path to have grown into Vader's Queen to Palpatine's King.
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Let me ask you this: did we really need a pod race? What does it establish? What does it add? Is it exciting? And yet we spend a good half hour on that bullshit on Tatooine, half an hour that could have been spent observing the ways of the Force. I wonder if there's even a hundred people who liked the original trilogy who had a positive opinion on Watto. Was that something we needed, George Fucking Lucas?
The Pod race? Is that really the worst way you can think of that they ruined Star Wars? They ruined Star Wars for me with the battle of Endor, Awwww ... cute little teddybears. I would not shed any tears if they reshot that entire part of the original trilogy with Wookies like was originally intended (or so some SW fanboy told me). Then they threw in Jar Jar Binks... and that asinine battle between the Gungans and the Droids. A civilisation that can produce shield generators is tossing stuff at the enemy w
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But children are not evil.
We will just have to agree to disagree here.
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The Jedi were cool and popular and mysterious. Once you got to see them in council meetings... well, takes a bit of the mystique out of it.
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The Jedi were cool and popular and mysterious. Once you got to see them in council meetings... well, takes a bit of the mystique out of it.
What kid wouldn't dream of being a Jedi once he finds out they use their incredible powers and wisdom to go around the Galaxy sorting out tax disputes?
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The most interesting part of star wars is the force
I thought the most interesting part was a plucky group of democracy minded rebels against a huge, oppressive dictatorship.
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That means you're part of the problem. Politics are just the fucking worst.
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To get all nerdy on you for a second here...
According to the prequel canon, one of the two core aspects of The Force to begin with is The Living Force (the other being Unifying). So saying "The Force Awakens" is kind of like making a movie about The Beginning of the Republican Party, only said beginning is set in 2008.
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Mod Points!
falling door on the Millennium Falcon? (Score:4, Funny)
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It will be revealed where Han Solo has been stashing all those NHTSA recall notices.
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Que? Cómo "que" una broma? Quiso decir "queue"? O "más probablemente "cue"?
Star Wars vs Disney (Score:2)
Star Wars Episode VII: It's a Small Universe After All
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Or Star Wars Episode VII: The Ewok Cuteness
My predictions (Score:5, Insightful)
1.) Lens flares, so you can't see what's happening clearly!
2.) Shaky cam, so you can't focus on anything happening!
3.) Ultra-close-up action, so you don't know who is doing what in fights!
4.) Previously known characters acting against their established personalities, for no good reason, and against all reason in general.
5.) Teal and orange! In every scene, teal and orange will provide the color contrast.
6.) C-3PO and R2-D2 will appear for some stupid fucking reasons and tie into the mythos in even more unlikely and retarded ways.
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4.) Previously known characters acting against their established personalities, for no good reason, and against all reason in general.
This. Is. What. Will. Happen. Again. And. Again.
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7.) An awkwardly shoehorned in love story, possibly satisfying prediction 4 simultaneously.
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6.) C-3PO and R2-D2 will appear for some stupid fucking reasons and tie into the mythos in even more unlikely and retarded ways.
For whatever it's worth, and despite some of the story issues it creates, I actually enjoy the droids being the thread that runs through all of the tapestries.
To each their own.
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It was a good idea, but wasn't handled well. For just one thing, wouldn't Vader recognize the droid he had built as a kid?
Talking Star wars moivie (Score:4, Funny)
this takes me back to /. during the 90's.
Sooo who are we pouring hot grits on now?
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The Portman Always Rings Twice?
I'm optimistic... (Score:5, Interesting)
After the terrible new trilogy, I'm cautiously excited by the new movie written by Lawrence Kasdan [imdb.com], who had zero involvement with the episodes 1-4, but did write such films as The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
They'll be plenty of eye candy (to be sure -- so did the originals!), but maybe having a good writer (who made almost all the Star Wars films you love -- and none of the ones you hate) means you'll have a good story?
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but maybe having a good writer (who made almost all the Star Wars films you love -- and none of the ones you hate) means you'll have a good story?
I don't know if today's grown Star Wars fans will ever be happy. Nowadays it's popular to blast even Return of the Jedi. I think the sophisticated fans feel that only IV and V, or even only V, were any good.
My memory is that when TPM came out, everybody on Slashdot posted that they loved it for about a day - and then suddenly the hate came in. I never figured it out. Suddenly it wasn't cool to like TPM, so everybody hated on it.
Episode X (Score:2)
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We milk the cash cow...oh, and Force Force something.
That's the next movie's title.
Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Force is Forced
It's wrong already! (Score:2, Informative)
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The Force is an energy field in all living things. It separates us, penetrates us and binds us together. If energy can neither be created or destroyed but merely transferred, why would one think it can be "awakened" or gone to sleep?? C'mon JJ, don't let us down!
Well if I can put on my "nerd glasses" for a second I think I have a theory on that. I mean assuming that Clone Wars cartoon show is still "canon" and hasn't been relegated to the "legends" category (like the expanded universe books/etc. And yes, I watched the whole clone wars series. Nerd.). Clone Wars (the one with 22 minute episodes, got canceled with some open story arcs) had some episodes about the dark side taking over, but out of the this imbalance in the yin/yang relationship resulting in a new gene
Re:Movie ordering (Score:5, Insightful)
I recall distinctly, back in the seventies, when the original Star Wars was really taking off, there was discussion that Lucas had envisioned nine movies total, in the order of 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9. This ordering was the result of the decision to start in "the middle of the story" to get viewers immediately into the action, and then backfill later.
Many years later, I think when TPM was being planned, Lucas disavowed any concept of 9 films, insisting he only ever planned 6. But now we're back to nine. Go figure.
Re:Movie ordering (Score:5, Funny)
Many years later, I think when TPM was being planned, Lucas disavowed any concept of 9 films, insisting he only ever planned 6. But now we're back to nine. Go figure.
Disney altered the deal. Pray they don't alter it further.
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Actually, twelve:
"Mark Hamill has stated that Lucas told him in 1976, while filming the first film in Tunisia, that four Star Wars trilogies were planned. Lucas suggested Hamill could have a cameo role in Episode IX, which might be filmed in 2011.[1][4] A Time magazine story in March 1978, quoting Lucas, also contained the assertion there would be 10 further Star Wars films after The Empire Strikes Back.[5] Gary Kurtz was also aware of proposed story elements for Episode VII to IX before 1980."
http: [wikipedia.org]
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> Hell, the most common trope the Star Wars universe is the idea of redeeming some character from the Dark Side, which is ultimately an allusion to, or inspired by, the character arc of Anakin/Vader.
But the effect was somewhat destroyed by Anakin's portrayal as a spoiled jerk in the prequels. You got a sense, by the merciful end of whatever the t
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Where does this sit in the order of movies? Was this movie planned with the original 6?
I'm pretty sure "Episode VII' tells you everything you need to know. :)
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I don't blame you. After three films ranging from "meh" to "I just vomited in my popcorn", any new film is going to be approached with extreme suspicion. And that's a good thing.
Re:Bring back Jar Jar binks while you're at it (Score:5, Funny)