Battlestar Galactica Creator Glen A. Larson Dead At 77 186
schwit1 writes Glen A. Larson, the wildly successful television writer-producer whose enviable track record includes 'Six Million Dollar Man', Quincy M.E., Magnum, P.I., Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider and The Fall Guy, has died. He was 77.
From the article: Battlestar Galactica lasted just one season on ABC from 1978-79, yet the show had an astronomical impact. Starring Lorne Greene and Richard Hatch as leaders of a homeless fleet wandering through space, featuring special effects supervised by Star Wars’ John Dykstra and influenced by Larson’s Mormon beliefs, Battlestar premiered as a top 10 show and finished the year in the top 25. But it was axed after 24 episodes because, Larson said, each episode cost “well over” $1 million.
Editor incompetence... (Score:2, Funny)
Seriously, a basic typo on the title of a news make it to the front page ? I'm all for giving /. a chance wrt. the poor quality of article and the associated criticizes, but this is pushing it a bit far...
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Seriously, a basic typo on the title of a news make it to the front page ? I'm all for giving /. a chance wrt. the poor quality of article and the associated criticizes, but this is pushing it a bit far...
The best decade of timothy's life was second grade.
And it's been all downhill from there.
Don't be mean to him.
Insightful or Sloppy Editing? (Score:2, Funny)
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No, the submission had it spelled correctly. Timmay is the one who introduced the typo.
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No, the submission had it spelled correctly. Timmay is the one who introduced the typo.
If you use "Timmay" as an insult, you completely missed Parker and Stone's point.
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Slashdot is to become an Italian language website however since Dice is broke and the translation software expensive, they can only buy one word at a time.
I always wondered about the name -- "dice" (verb, Italian): he/she/it says. Quite appropriate for a website that just quotes other sites...
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Slashdot Editing: Dead At 0.
a sad trend (Score:2)
it seems like more and more old people are dying in hang gliding accidents these days.
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it seems like more and more old people are dying in hang gliding accidents these days.
What orifice did you pull that from? He died from esophageal cancer.
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it seems like more and more old people are dying in hang gliding accidents these days.
What orifice did you pull that from? He died from esophageal cancer.
Esophageal cancer, hang gliding. Same thing. They both use many of the same letters after all. You should pay more attention!
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Unfortunately he seems far too literate for the job. Simply getting facts wrong is not enough to become a ./ editor.
2 seasons 1978 and 1980 (Score:3)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... [wikipedia.org]
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The reboot ended up worse than the original, at least for me. The human characters were so unlikeable I started rooting for the cylons. And the moment the show started getting seriously pseudo-mystical/quasi-religious was the moment I dropped it. The original show would have been fantastic if it had just taken itself just a bit more seriously and dropped most of the cheese. The reboot seemed to take itself too seriously. Or at least, tried to be "deeper" than it really needed to be.
Don't get me wrong,
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If you actually left the new version too early, you would have missed the part where mose of those unlikable humans turned out to be cylons anyway. ;-)
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But... but the dark gloominess! And the grit! And the rapid camera zooms! And tribal percussion!
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And the message about how being vicious warmongering bastards was justified if it was in the name of peace, because the voices calling for peace were actually working for vicious warmongering bastards.
As someone opposed to the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, I could not enjoy the programme.
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I loved that episode, and I also loved the Enemy Mine movie. It's been a long time since I watched either of those - I have no idea how well they'd stand up today. I think I won't chance it, since my memories are great... probably much better than the reality.
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I liked Katee's Starbuck more than Dirk's as well. I especially liked her response to Dirk's criticism of the reboot and her character in particular: "If you add up the amount of time Dirk Benedict spent playing the character, not the years obviously but the number of episodes, I'm more Starbuck than he is, so put that in your pipe and smoke it."
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I thought Katie was great. Sure, it seemed wrong at first to have such a change, but it left me with this joke:
"Baltar and Starbuck going at it? That wouldn't have flown in the original show!"
What I love... (Score:2)
Is that Dirk did seem to come around, because Katie Sackoff's character was one of the few decent ones in the whole BSG reboot.
I love the photo of Dirk and Katie smoking cigars in a Starbucks coffee shop. (Kudos to the manager who was smart enough to bend the rules and say, for this....we'll allow smoking.)
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feel like a tiny bit of my childhood just died (Score:4)
this is seriously sad news. I grew up on Glen A. Larson shows. Particularly BSG (two words: Laurette Spang. With her almost entirely off-the-shoulder wardrobe) and Knight Rider (it was the car. And the hot, hot Bonnie and April).
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One word: Noms. Double noms for Maren Jensen, though.
Lots of deaths lately. (Score:2)
RA and GAL. RIP to both of 'em. :(
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R. A. Montgomery, obviously - it was posted yesterday on a site called Slashdot, you may have heard of it. It's kind of a big deal. It has many leather-bound books...
http://news.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]
He has jumped (Score:3)
SO SAY WE ALL!
The Mormon thing and BSG (Score:2)
Grew up on, and enjoyed a lot of his shows -- BUT I always found the religious aspect of both BSGs (the original and reboot) a bit weird and distracting. I guess knowing now about his Mormonism it makes sense, and he's certainly allowed to write what he wants -- but the heavy handed religiosity really felt shoehorned in a futuristic show imo.
The {Mormon} thing and {x} (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I am repelled by Mormonism. I will leave it at that because my intent is not to discuss a religious cult. Feel free to plug-in any other belief system and any other TV or movie show title to suit your own bigotries/preferences/tastes/beliefs.
I enjoyed the original BSG back when it originally aired. It was, at that time, the best special effects to ever hit TV and with a network and budget that provided a large cast, bit sets, and famous actors. Yeah, the writing was hit-and-miss as was some of the acting, but compared toeverything else on TV??? not really so bad. Some characters were good, others not, some actors did better than others with the material they were given. Same thing with UFO, Space 1999, and Trek. Let's face it: in Trek there were better episodes (city on the edge of forever) while others stank (space hippies, anyone?). If you enjoy science fiction then you have to live with two basic facts: [1] the entertainment industry is NOT populated with SciFi people and does not "get it", so they will ruin everything to some degree saving money by dropping plot elements, trying to broaden demographics with wunderkind characters (wesley? boxee? will robinson?) and babes (wilma deering, maya, athena, etc), and [2] few episodes will be written by serious scifi authors. If you like the scifi genre and you want to get it from pop culture, you're gonna have to accept it watered-down and very flawed so you're either gonna get angry and frustrated or learn to take it for what it is.
The thing I find truly dissapointing is NOT the flaws in Hollywood's presentation of scifi, but rather the more-recent development that so many people seem to want to hate any piece or art or literature becuase they disagree with some aspect of the beliefs of the creator of the work. I would find Hemingway to be a drunken lout, but I can enjoy his books. I would not embrace picasso's world view, but I can enjoy his art. As I indicated earlier, I reject Mormonism, but could enjoy BSG. I found many of Rodeberry's views to be ignorant and foolish, but I can enjoy Trek. I simply do not comprehend the warped idea that if you disagree with Larson you must dislike BSG, or if you think Rodenberry was a troll, you must reject Trek, or if you disagree with Orson Scott Card you must boycott Enders Game, etc. Whatever became of of all that "open-mindedness" and "tolerance for other viewpoints" people used to insist on? EVERY creator of a work has personal views and NONE completelty avoid letting those views seep into their work; this is human and unavoidable. If creators of works all stripped their particular beliefs and world views from their works, those works would be bland and would never inspire thought/debate/conversation/re-examination/introspection. Literature and Art USED to be the very forums where humanity went to examine life and existence from many perspectives particularly those perspectives foreign to them. We used to call this being "educated" and "elightened".
"What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly - that is the first law of nature." - Voltaire
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
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I am balls to the walls on board with tolerance. I strive for open-mindedness. It's important to me.
And yet, I expressed my distain for seeing the new Enders Game movie explicitly because it put money in Orson Scott Card's wallet, and he is actively campaigning for some really nasty ideas. I understand the view that the artist can be, and possibly even should be, separated from their works. It doesn't matter if $FAMOUS_PERSON made something, that doesn't make it meaningful. And no-name artists can make qual
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Nothing. It's really not that special at all. And hence I don't think we should have special laws criminalizing it nor treat gay couples any differently then non-gay couples.
Same thing with black people. Remember all those special laws we had about black people? [wikipedia.org]
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Ah, c'mon, the space hippies were fun. Herbert!
"Headin' out to Eden, yeah, brother..."
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C'mon, didn't you enjoy "Expendable" at least a little bit?
plug for Tektronix test equipment (Score:2)
I remember watching the episodes though got bored watching the same approaches and barrel rolls of colonial fighters. I remember seeing the racks of Tektronix test equipment. Front panels of that gear was real "space age" (though trying to find power switch the o-scopes was always a challenge, other controls were easy). I wonder if the company got extra business with so much of the gear "advertised."
When they did the remake, I found it amusing the only Battlestar that survived massive Cylon attack was Gal
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We were so desperate... (Score:2)
Which is mostly a testament to how freakin' desperate we were for SF on the little screen in 1978.
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Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4, Insightful)
No - the original Battlestar Galactica was real crap. Cheesy as all heck. Soooo bad that when a friend of mine tried to introduce me to the new Battlestar Galactica I was beyond skeptical.
The original Star Trek, on the other hand, has aged well considering the low budgets, etc.
Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:5, Insightful)
No - the original Battlestar Galactica was real crap. Cheesy as all heck
I think you're really looking at the show unfairly. When it came on the air (over 36 years ago) there was nothing else like it on television. Nothing. Sure it was riding the Star Wars wave, and it recycled FX shots, but at the time it was groundbreaking. Think about what else was on then - The Incredible Hulk, Vegas, Dallas.
I still remember the first time the trailer aired: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4)
And hopefully, there will never be anything like it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4, Funny)
But Jane Seymour!
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Space: Above and Beyond followed a very similar path to the original BSG (only ran one season, etc.) Except it was, arguably, pretty well written. It was definitely one of those 'ahead of it's time' shows. I could see a reboot doing very well, if only someone could wrestle the rights away from Fox - and this time not spend such a huge chunk of the production budget on bleeding edge CGI (which ended up being the perfect reason to axe it).
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Ooooh, I would not say that Space: Above and Beyond was well written, at least not through most of its run. It was moody 20-somethings in space, and none of them were what we would consider a credible soldier.
It did seem like it was starting to find its footing right about when it was canceled, so maybe it could have developed into something fine. Literally the last episode aired, I thought "wow, that was actually a good episode." The first time I actually -wanted- to see the next episode instead of my just
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No - the original Battlestar Galactica was real crap. Cheesy as all heck
I think you're really looking at the show unfairly. When it came on the air (over 36 years ago) there was nothing else like it on television.
I remember having friends over to see the first episode. I am a pretty uncritical consumer of space opera, and I said I thought it was pretty good. Two guys, two girls all looked at me like I was a retard.
I have to admit, it did suck pretty badly, even considering the state of s.f. television back then.
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I thought it was the greatest thing—saw it at a friend's house who had rigged his stereo to his TV (long before that became a feature,) so I got to watch it in high-quality mono. It looks really cheesy to me now, but I was ten years old at the time.
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I have to admit, it did suck pretty badly, even considering the state of s.f. television back then.
I don't think you remember the state of sci fi television in the late 1970's. It was mainly Star Trek reruns and really horrible stuff like Lost in Space, I Dream of Jeanie (fitting a very loose description of science fiction) or real classics like "It came from Outer Space" or "The Attack of the 50' Woman" and even "The Absent Minded Professor" on late-night television. This is when the Herbie movies were being made. Other TV series contemporary with this include "Electro Woman and DynaGirl" and "Jason
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Other TV series contemporary with this include "Electro Woman and DynaGirl" and "Jason of Star Command".
My brain hurts from you triggering that deep-buried memory. I'll be messed up all week with that stuff replaying through my head.
My young brain thought the space scenes in Galactica were awesome, and I totally bought all the mass destruction in the pilot. Cylons scared the shit out of me... like Berzerk [archive.org] come to life (with the same inevitable outcome). I was able to see past all the dumb stuff, particularly because Star Wars had left me so hungry for more like it and there was just nothing. But even back th
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But even back then I felt the show started to fizzle out after the Pegasus episodes.
On this I completely agree. The "Terra" episodes really started to push credibility, as did Count Iblis. I liked the series finale as it sort of suggested perhaps they might be going back to their roots again and hinted at some much better episodes in the future... that never came.
Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4, Interesting)
Space:1999 had gone off the air a couple of years before. Not the best writing ever (especially the second season), and there were some interesting issues with the science on the show, but the effects were quite good for the time.
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Also, I just now Googled "Battlestar Galactica cheesy 2009", "Battlestar Galactica cheesy 2008" etc. on backward, and it seems to have become a meme only when BSG came on in 2004. So it appears to be some revisionist history based upon post-BSG experiences rather than cheesy-at-the-time experiences.
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Worst Sci Fi series ever? I can name several candidates for that, including "Logan's Run" (the TV series) or some of the really awful stuff pushed onto Saturday morning kids programming (is Scooby Doo considered SF?) Ever hear of "Land of the Lost"? Heck, what about Doctor Who from the 1970's?
At the time it was made, there was little you could point to as episodic series that were any better. If you can name more than five shows that were of superior quality.... far superior quality that almost anybody
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I would disagree with you on Space: 1999 and argue strongly that The Prisoner really isn't even science fiction at all nor is really I Dream of Jeannie. Still, a strong attempt with nearly a hundred other shows that it is competing against.
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Heh, yes the writing did leave a lot to be desired, but at least the show was intended to be family-friendly, as in it could be watched by kids.
Entirely unlike the reboot.
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Not to mention Automan and Manimal
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And the cylons with the red LED scanner, just like that Knight Rider car thing
At least this wasn't copied from someone else, as Glen A. Larson was the creator of both.
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Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4, Informative)
Don't forget these were the "family friendly" seventies. It really limited just how "edgy" a show could be in it's writing, and technology *seriously* limited the effectiveness of F/X.
But you know what? I enjoyed what "SciFi" there was at the time. It sure beat the heck out of crap like "Dallas" or "Hee-Haw". :P
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I really enjoyed the series, but I watched it aged about 9-12. I've avoided watching it again, because I think I was probably in the right age demographic the first time. Knight Rider, on the other hand, I re-watched recently and still enjoyed.
I'm in the same boat -- it was great when I was a kid, and that's the audience it was aimed at.
I did rewatch the pilot and another episode or two about ten years ago, and it wasn't a nostalgia-destroying experience.
The lesson it took out of the Star Trek playbook was to look back at myth and legend, and it modelled itself loosely on the Odessey and Jason and the Argonauts (clearly more directly in the pilot than in the later episodes), replacing the different countries and islands with planets. A lot of the
Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4, Insightful)
Just keep that famous saying in mind, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a cheesy special effect." This even happens with nature - ever seen an aurora or a video of one? It looks like really shitty CGI, but it's real. *shrug*
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Londo Mollari's hair vehemently denies its own appeal.
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Star Trek TOS holds up incredibly well. Probably because it had excellent writing and a thoughtful take on the material.
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That, and William Ware Theiss's awesome costumes for the female guest stars.
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The addition of the scene with Jabba was because the original looked old?
The scene with Jabba was in the novelisation that George Lucas wrote in 1977. I was under the impression that it was filmed, but didn't make it into the original because they couldn't make it look anything other than terrible with the special effects at the time.
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it was filmed, with not a giant slug but a slightly overweight guy wearing (among other things) animal furs. It was cut because GL had formed the idea of Jabba being the giant slug for Jedi but he didn't want to reshoot the scene, so it was simply cut. It wasn't reshot for the special editions either, Jabba was CGI'd in and when Solo walks around behind him... his avatar is soapboxed to make it appear as if he's standing on the Hutt's tail.
source: Trilogy box set "Making Of (Episode IV) 1997 Special Edition
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it was filmed, with not a giant slug but a slightly overweight guy wearing (among other things) animal furs. It was cut because GL had formed the idea of Jabba being the giant slug for Jedi but he didn't want to reshoot the scene, so it was simply cut.
I think it was rightfully cut because it has the exact same dialog as the Greedo scene, and doesn't add anything to the story.
The Greedo scene, OTOH, shows Han to be a "the only fair fight is one I win" kind of guy, which makes him coming to help Luke at the Death Star even more important to his character.
Re:Sci Fi Really Ages Quickly (Score:4, Informative)
Jabba is also really small, but this is rationalised away as "he's an alien, we don't know how quickly he would grow." And then they proceeded to insert not one but two original-Jabba-sized Hutts in ep 1, and no New Hope Jabba-sized ones.
And Solo isn't an "avatar", there's no digital trickery in the actual character -- he's just space-shifted up the frame. It's clumsy and horrendous to watch.
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The reason season two was retooled is mainly because the show was cancelled but at the last minute one of the network executives changed their mind. The only actor they could get to come back on a regular contract was Loren Green, but they needed to recast pretty much the rest of the show. That of course gave the disaster which was Galactica 1980, where the only episode worth watching was the one where Dirk Benedict came back as a guest star for one episode.
Not all shows go through this, but it does happe
It's BSG-speak. (Score:3)
Like yahren. And felgercarb,
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Hey, just you wait a centon!!
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Dice's finances are currently taking a hit, so they've asked Slashdot editors to conserve "R"s.
Re:Creato? (Score:4, Funny)
I heard something about too much Rs breaking the internet.
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> I heard something about too much Rs breaking the internet.
Yeah, they promote piracy.
Arrrrrr!
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oh you git, I just got ove listening to the X Fools episode "The Lette M". Now I got to deal with a missing lette between Q and S...
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The sad part is the submission had it spelled correctly. "Creato" was all timothy.
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I knew it! AC is actually Wolverine!
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Pillor me if you want, but every show this man touched eventually got cancelled or became garbage. Long live Glen Larson!!!
Isn't that every show that isn't still on the air?
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The original Battlestar Galactica really pissed me off. It started as a theatrical-release movie and I went to see it. Then later, they announce a Battlestar Galactica TV show. Hey, cool. And what was episode 1 of the TV show? The fucking movie!!
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You've got that backwards. It started on TV, then they wanted to capitalize on it popularity and made a movie version of it and put it in theaters.
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Sortof. Released as a movie, but with the intention of creating a TV series from it.
Here's the trippy movie intro that you never saw on the TV series: Buck Rogers movie intro [youtube.com]
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I found out while watching BSG (new series, not the old). It definitely explains a lot. In fact, really.... the new series is sci fi human origins story for mormons. You know the whole "all our old myths are really just forgotton lore of an ancient civilization sort.
That said, I really liked about 90% of the series and really hated the that very aspect of the story. Loved the journey, hated where they were going and what they did with it in the end; far to "God in the Machine" for me.
Its one of those ones I
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I have something like that on my classic NZXT Guardian computer case. It looks a bit like Optimus Prime and has a blue led "scanner" that cycles through a few lighting patterns, one of which is heavily Larson-influenced.
Knight Rider reboot (Score:2)
Should be a Chevy Camaro. Black or Midnight blue. And I'll go with your blue scannar.
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It's a sad occasion, he brought many shows to light that shaped my childhood.
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Polygamy has been practiced pretty much everywhere at some point. I would say it probably came into the Mormon faith as reactionary conservatism. Reactionaries twist history and mythology and try to "recreate" a past that never existed. Or rather than one "that never existed", one "that only ever existed for the minority", because they base the whole thing on the behaviour of kings. The classic example is the European cultural idea that women working is "new". Women have always worked in every culture. The