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Star Wars Prequels

George Lucas: "I'm Done With Star Wars" 424

HughPickens.com writes: Entertainment Weekly reports that George Lucas has compared his retirement from Star Wars to a break-up – a mutual one, maybe, but one that nonetheless comes with hard feelings and although Lucas came up with story treatments for a new trilogy, those materials, to put it bluntly, were discarded. "They decided they didn't want to use those stories, they decided they were gonna go do their own thing," says Lucas. "They weren't that keen to have me involved anyway. But at the same time, I said if I get in there I'm just going to cause trouble. Because they're not going to do what I want them to do. And I don't have the control to do that anymore. All I would do is muck everything up. So I said, 'Okay, I will go my way, and I'll let them go their way.'" Lucas says he was going to tell a story about the grandchildren of figures from the original trilogy. "The issue was, ultimately, they looked at the stories and they said, 'We want to make something for the fans,'" says Lucas. "So, I said, all I want to do is tell a story of what happened – it started here and went there. It's all about generations, and issues of fathers and sons and grandfathers. It's a family soap opera."

Although the team behind The Force Awakens acknowledges they're taking the story in a different direction from what Lucas intended, they maintain affection for his original creations and the man himself. "Before I showed up, it was already something that Disney had decided they wanted to go a different way with," says J. J. Abrams. "But the spirit of what he wrote, both in those pages and prior, is everything that this movie is built upon." Some fans question why there was no "Based on" credit for Lucas in the poster for The Force Awakens. "I don't know why it isn't on the poster, but it's a valid point. I'm sure that that will be a credit in the film," says Abrams. "We are standing on the shoulders of Episodes I through VI."
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George Lucas: "I'm Done With Star Wars"

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  • Surprised? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22, 2015 @02:59PM (#50981189)

    Just more Cheez-wiz American cinema. Lucas ruined the first three movies when made the last three.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by kwardroid ( 1466409 )
      If we only could get a HD release of the original theatrical releases of the first ones (S.W., the Empre Strikes back and just to complete it Returnâ¦)
      • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Informative)

        by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:11PM (#50981259) Homepage

        There used to be laserdisc rips of the original trilogy on bittorrent. That is about as close as you'll get.

        • Re:Surprised? (Score:4, Interesting)

          by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:56PM (#50981517) Journal

          There used to be laserdisc rips of the original trilogy on bittorrent. That is about as close as you'll get.

          I'm told that there are "the despecialized editions", which were attempts by fans with mad skills to recreate the original films from the "special editions". Improved quality and effects where appropriate, without all the squirmy additions.

        • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:06PM (#50981579) Homepage

          The official original versions as put on the re-release of the SE DVDs as bonus features (known as the GOUT, for George's Original Unaltered Trilogy) came from the Laserdisc masters. They're poor quality by today's standards, but better than any Laserdisc rip.

          • I have these disks. Despite having bought the wide-screen trilogy the bonus disks were full frame.

            • I don't know which disks you're watching, but the GOUT is definitely widescreen. It's not anamorphic, though (neither were the laserdiscs).

        • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Informative)

          by BitterOak ( 537666 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:24PM (#50981701)

          There used to be laserdisc rips of the original trilogy on bittorrent. That is about as close as you'll get.

          Not true! There are much better ones available! As an Anonymous poster noted below (and deserves to be modded up!) you should look for Harmy's "Despecialized" versions. Much of the source was actually taken from film and it looks really good at 720p. Look for version 2.5 of episode 4 and version 2.0 of episode. His current version of Jedi isn't quite as good yet, but hopefully a better version will be out soon.

          Some info here [originaltrilogy.com].

      • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:16PM (#50981293) Journal

        "and just to complete it" -- I know the feeling. Lucas was starting to go off the rails with RotJ. Then with TPM he went off the bridge, tumbled down the mountain, careened into the chasm and plunged into the magma.

        • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by hairyfeet ( 841228 ) <bassbeast1968@gm ... minus herbivore> on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:56PM (#50981521) Journal

          No he didn't, the problem was after Empire he began to lose people who would tell him no which is the kiss of death to a guy like Lucas.

          If you watch the behind the scenes on SW and ESB there were people there that would actually tell Lucas no, tell him what they REALLY thought, be totally honest with the guy...Watch the video on the making of TPM, there are literally dozens of times where you can see Lucas talking and the eyes and expressions of those he is talking to are fucking CRINGING because they know this is a dumb idea...do they say a word? Nope they bite their tongues and say "sure thing George, great" because they are afraid of losing a check.

          So if you want to know what killed the prequels it was Lucas not having anybody around him with the guts to say "this just isn't working George" and to let him know whats what.

          • > No he didn't, the problem was after Empire he began to lose people who would tell him no which is the kiss of death to a guy like Lucas.

            I agree, he always had JarJar potential without talented people to hold him in check. That doesn't necessarily invalidate what I said.

            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by Anonymous Coward

              Not only that, but Lucas's wife, whom he divorced somewhere around RoTJ is credited with having written and corrected a lot of the dialog and story that Lucas originally wrote. There were rumors she could make a better set of prequels than he could. Of course, he never gave her the credit, but there are articles written about her. I'd like to see her direct some.

          • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Nogami_Saeko ( 466595 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @05:28PM (#50982025)
            You are absolutely, 100% correct. It was painfully obvious watching the behind the scenes footage that Lucas had been surrounded by a platoon of "Yes Men", rather than people who would give him honest feedback.

            And here's the thing, I think that Lucas did have some really great ideas, but he also had some terrible ones. And without the filter to remove the terrible ones, you got a mashed-up mess.
        • "and just to complete it" -- I know the feeling. Lucas was starting to go off the rails with RotJ. Then with TPM he went off the bridge, tumbled down the mountain, careened into the chasm and plunged into the magma.

          To be fair, he didn't have the high ground.

      • If we only could get a HD release of the original theatrical releases of the first ones (S.W., the Empre Strikes back and just to complete it Return)

        My opinion changes. At times I would love the originals. At other times I would like a careful merging of the originals and Lucas' reworks. The CGI for the space scenes may a nice modernization. No plot changes though, Han shoots first, no infantile CGI additions like turning the corner during a chase and finding 50 additional unexpected stormtroopers rather than a few more unexpected, etc.

        Such selective merging works with the general theme that Lucas can come up with some good ideas but he needs adult s

      • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

        Look for "despecialized edition". It is the droids you are looking for.

      • by khelms ( 772692 )
        How about an HD release of the original theatrical version of THX 1138. He screwed that one up too.
    • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:32PM (#50981387) Journal

      He also ruined the first three movies when he shamelessly screwed with them.

      Han shot Greedo first. End of story.

      • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by PRMan ( 959735 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:58PM (#50981871)
        And it's not just a preference. Han Solo can't be redeemed if he's not a cold-blooded killer to begin with. He has nothing to be redeemed from...
      • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Informative)

        by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @06:21PM (#50982273)

        Han didn't shoot Greedo first. Han shot Greedo, and Greedo didn't shoot at all.

        • Anyone else remember when Star Wars made the rounds at the theaters for its third time (1979)? In the copy we got at our theater here, no one shot in that scene.

          The Han and Greedo scene went straight from "Yes, I'll bet you have." to the next scene, which was an outside shot of the Death Star.

          For years we had thought it might have been a bad spot on the copy the theater had which needed cut out. Then the Han Shot controversy came up, and that entire mystery was suddenly put into a different light.

    • Re:Surprised? (Score:5, Informative)

      by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:05PM (#50981573) Journal

      Just more Cheez-wiz American cinema. Lucas ruined the first three movies when made the last three.

      It helps to assume that the last three never existed. Kinda like "wow The Matrix was good. Too bad they never made any sequels".

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:00PM (#50981193)

    I'm done with Star Wars too!

  • by pauljlucas ( 529435 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:04PM (#50981213) Homepage Journal
    If Lucas is complaining about not having control, then why did he sell Star Wars to Disney? (No, I'm not related to George, to my knowledge.)
    • Because you can't have your $4 Billion dollar cake, and eat it too?
      • by Billly Gates ( 198444 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:47PM (#50981817) Journal

        Because you can't have your $4 Billion dollar cake, and eat it too?

        Dude do you have any idea how rich Lucas is?

        I had a friend from college who was a VP when a quote from Walt Disney came up in business management class "After a certain point. You come to work to do your passions. I have all the money in the world as it is .." Basically he told me the folks he knows work to piss on their other business owners to show who is top dog. They have all soo much money that a few million here or there won't make a difference.

        Yes for you or I would jump and trip over anyone offering me freaking $4 billion dollars!! But, I have bills to pay. Jobs I go to that are not all that great but needed so I do not have to move in with my parents. I have a car with 130,000 miles on it and student loans and a retirement to worry about. So yeah, Mr. Lucas does not have these problems.

        If he wanted he could go live like Mr. McAffee on a tropical beach with hookers, parties, and drugs, with his own jet to go and do whatever he wants when he wants before this deal with Disney. Money is not something on his mind unless his goal was to have another pissing ego contest on someone else so he can grin on how rich and successful he is.

        Just a perspective us peasants never really consider. Perhaps we too can make something of ourselves with a startup someday? But anyway he already has cashed out as wealthy back in the late 1970s. ... of course the flipside is poverty. I type this and am middle class. Imagine working 3 jobs and wondering how you are going to eat or keep the lights on? That too is not a concern for Lucas. Perhaps he should not have sold it? I wonder what his intentions were or did a divorce made him do this?

        • If he wanted he could go live like Mr. McAffee on a tropical beach with hookers, parties, and drugs, with his own jet to go and do whatever he wants when he wants before this deal with Disney.

          I'm actually surprised more people don't do that, tbh

    • He did not really sell it so much as he sold it to the company his wife ran.

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      His car had 160K miles on it, and they just declined his Amex card at the restaurant?

    • He's not complaining, he's observing and making decisions based upon those observations. All he's said above is that he observed he'd muck things up if he continued to try to be involved given he no longer has creative control, so he stepped back.

      Which is entirely reasonable.

  • So now? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by burtosis ( 1124179 )
    We may have a re-re-release where Han shoots first? I'm not sure where they will take it but I dare them to make a character worse than jar jar.
  • Jar Jar Binks (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rbrandis ( 735555 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:05PM (#50981221) Homepage
    He lost all credibility with Jar Jar Binks
    • Re:Jar Jar Binks (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:11PM (#50981257)

      If only this were true...

      https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w
      https://www.reddit.com/r/DarthJarJar/comments/3rntpj/theory_support_megathread/

      That would have been the best twist ever. Alas we just have a meandering annoying character.

    • Re:Jar Jar Binks (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Z00L00K ( 682162 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:35PM (#50981415) Homepage

      No, that's not the problem. The problem was the re-edits of the old movies where things like the sarlacc was changed for no useful reason, the original Darth Vader actor was edited out and Hayden Christensen was edited in instead of finding a Darth Vader actor that did resemble the original Darth Vader actor in the death scene in Return of the Jedi. (Anakin in first episode was not a problem) But the transition from a kid with rounded features to the thin Hayden and then to the more rounded features of the face that Darth Vader had in the death scene annoys me more.

      Smaller changes that aren't obvious to the watcher - they don't make things worse or better, at least when it comes to background items or pure graphical enhancements of stuff that weren't good in the original movies due to the fact that special effects weren't good at that time.

      You may be annoyed with Jar Jar Binks, but in the first movie C3PO was an annoyance. But his character actually got better over time. Initially the way Yoda talked was also an annoyance. So forget about Jar Jar and figure out that there are worse problems.

      What's possible to be more annoyed about is the story incoherences between the original movies (Episode 4 to 6) and the newer movies (Episode 1 to 3) where some things went on in a way didn't make sense to someone that had seen the original movies. Luke was a teenager and considered to be "too old", Anakin was a lot younger and still considered to be "too old".

      • You know, the more I read discussion of the changes to the first three movies, the more I'm glad I just watched them at the time and left it at that.

      • I actually quite likes a fair bit of the re-done & enhanced effects in the Special Editions. Where they went wrong, IMO, is where they changed plot or characterization (Greedo shooting first.), added scenes that just didn't make sense (Palpatine's not dead a whole day, and his statues are already being torn down on Coruscant? How did the news get there so fast? What happened to the empire's military and police forces? Did they all just decide to take the day off?), and where they were obviously half

        • Re:Jar Jar Binks (Score:5, Insightful)

          by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @05:51PM (#50982133) Homepage
          Natalie Portman is an award winning actor and quite good in other movies. Hayden Christensen might be terrible, but you can't come to that conclusion solely on his performance in episodes 2 and 3 because clearly even a really good actor couldn't act well in that situation. The blame has to fall on Lucas. He thought he was inventing a new form of film-making where he could fix everything in post production so he didn't push for good performances. He was wrong.
          • Re:Jar Jar Binks (Score:4, Interesting)

            by NormalVisual ( 565491 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @08:29PM (#50982815)
            Natalie Portman is an award winning actor and quite good in other movies.

            The parent poster wasn't saying she was bad, and was pointing out that even she couldn't save Hayden's performance. The other obnoxious, annoying, incompetently-acting individual he was talking about was Jake Lloyd. Part of my disappointment was due to Christensen's performance, but a lot of it was due to the awful script and having to deal with Lucas's idea that Darth Vader was a whiny little bitch most of the time.

            As for my part, I felt it was quite disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw's memory and career that he was replaced in the ending scene for no good reason. It doesn't make sense either - Obi-Wan's ghost was still old, as was Yoda's, so why is Anakin magically returned to his 20-something self when no one else is? And if you're going to replace Shaw with Christensen, why not also replace Alec Guinness with Ewan McGregor?
          • Re:Jar Jar Binks (Score:4, Insightful)

            by captjc ( 453680 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @11:38PM (#50983391)

            I agree, the problem wasn't so much Hayden as it was Lucas' poor writing and lack of direction. The fact that the sets were just giant blue screens didn't help. In the prequels, Ewan McGreggor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L Muthafucking Jackson are all giving lackluster performances. If Sam Jackson comes off as wooden, what chance does a novice like Hayden Christensen stand?

            I really don't care for the guy, and I couldn't stand the character of Anakin but I think he just gets too much of the blame for the prequels.

        • Don't blame Portman for Lucas's awful dialog.

          By the same token, Christensen just sucks. At least Portman and McGregor did their best with a really awful script, but Christensen was awful; wooden most of the time, delivering his lines like a Speak-and-Spell, and then finding the magic way to be wooden AND over-emotive in other scenes. It's little wonder he's done so little work since the Prequels. He's just unbearable.

      • I agree. Jar Jar was bad but not the real problem. The whole midichlorians, the way Qui-Gon Jinn acts, and of course all the nonsense with messing with the previous episodes is what the issue is.

    • Because C3PO was so amazing?
    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      He lost all credibility with Jar Jar Binks

      You know, in the CNN article I read about this, Lucas said the character he most identified with and would want to be was Jar Jar. Seriously. [cnn.com](look at the final few lines of the article)

  • Good news (Score:5, Funny)

    by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:06PM (#50981223) Homepage Journal

    Good news, but several parsecs too late.

  • by khasim ( 1285 )

    Lucas says he was going to tell a story about the grandchildren of figures from the original trilogy.

    WHY?!?

    It's a GALAXY. Isn't there anyone with a story to tell that is NOT related to a handful of characters from the original movie?

    The Adventures of Han Solo the third!

    • Turns out "the force" is really the embodiment of solipsism.
    • This always seemed kind of weird to me too. This is a story that supposedly takes place on a Grand Galactic Scale, with millions of planets, trillions of sentient beings, wars thousands of light years across, and then something like five main characters determine the fate of everyone and everything.

      And R2D2 always seems to find himself everywhere there is action.

  • Last I checked Disney started putting light sabers into the hands and paws of their cartoon characters, bastardizing the whole crap. I sure as fuck don't want Lilo and Stitch running about spouting Jedi wisdom.

    But I'm probably not the right kind of fan they're looking for. For example I'm not the kind that buys any and all merchandising rubbish they will near certainly crank out.

  • Star Wars works best when Lucas' role is limited. For example he wrote the story for the Empire Strikes Back but others wrote the screen play and directed the film. For the original Star Wars movie (ep 4) the studio had more control while he wrote and directed. The Phantom Menace being an example of an unrestrained Lucas, well that and the awful reworking of the original trilogy. If those reworks represent the vision that was always in his head then than goodness technology and budget had restrained him. Ma
    • If what he said was true and this is an action movie with no drama or character development I will sorely be pissed. Episode 3 was ok but could have been written better.

      I do not want CGI and freaking special effects and stuff blowing up! If Lucas says there is no drama or character development and a story then what you thought was bad about Phantom Menace will be much better than what is about to come up.

  • And from us star wars fans let me say THANK YOU George.

  • by grimmjeeper ( 2301232 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:57PM (#50981525) Homepage

    Lucas came up with story treatments for a new trilogy, those materials, to put it bluntly, were discarded

    This is absolutely the best thing that could have happened to Star Wars. While he did have good ideas back in the 70's, he's long since used up whatever talent he ever had. He single handedly turned his franchise into "mule fritters" with Episodes 1-3. There is no way for the franchise to go but up now that Lucas is no longer involved.

    Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    • Lucas came up with story treatments for a new trilogy, those materials, to put it bluntly, were discarded

      This is absolutely the best thing that could have happened to Star Wars. While he did have good ideas back in the 70's, he's long since used up whatever talent he ever had. He single handedly turned his franchise into "mule fritters" with Episodes 1-3. There is no way for the franchise to go but up now that Lucas is no longer involved.

      Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

      I'm not sure it's so much that he lost the talent as he lost the perspective or relationship with the state of film that made the first trilogy so good.

      Both the first and original trilogy involved a boy getting recruited into an order of what was essentially mystical monks.

      Both had really goofy aliens in the main cast (Chewy and JarJar), both had influential family connections (Anikan's wife and mother and Luke's sister and father), and both really pushed the technological bounds of what was possible.

      I thin

  • Now he gets it (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wonkey_monkey ( 2592601 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @03:59PM (#50981527) Homepage

    All I would do is muck everything up.

    Interesting avoidance of past tense, there.

  • by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:08PM (#50981591)
    I was never a big Star Wars fan. It was OK like Buck Rogers in the 25th Century was OK. I think 2001 a Space Odyssey is still the best.
    • that's ok, the second group of three movies was more like Duck Dodgers in the 24th Century

    • I was never a big Star Wars fan. It was OK like Buck Rogers in the 25th Century was OK. I think 2001 a Space Odyssey is still the best.

      2001: A Space Odyssey would have been far better if someone were to cut everything until the scene in the lunar pit where they discover the monolith, and everything after disconnecting the HAL 9000. Sometimes, less is more.

  • First, the best treatment of the prequels, and one of the most brilliant things I have ever seen period, is the Star Wars prequel reviews by Red Letter Media. They're here:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/R... [youtube.com]

    I found something meaningful in those reviews, they just captured a sentiment for me â" and I totally recommend checking them out.

    Second, maybe the title should be "Disney: George, you're done with Star Wars."? :)

  • by Dega704 ( 1454673 ) on Sunday November 22, 2015 @06:07PM (#50982201)
    Contentious thing to say, but it's technically true. The only thing he deserves credit for are the initial story ideas. In the end, the original trilogy was the result of a lot of creative input from a lot of people; to his great displeasure. Some of its most iconic moments happened in spite of him rather then because of him. (Actual quote to him from Harrison Ford during filming: "You can type this shit but you can't say it.") He has made it excruciatingly clear that he hates the original trilogy and has always hated it because he didn't have total control over it; and thinks that the only thing that made everyone love it was HIS creative input. All of the praise and fame he earned as a result of it's success, which he literally bet against with Spielberg, led him to think "Wow, if everyone loved movies that only slightly showcased my vision, imagine how much they will love them when I DO have control over every aspect!" At this point he was rich, powerful, and surrounded by yes men who dared not question him. We all know what the results looked like. The only thing he as proven beyond a shadow of a doubt is that if Star Wars had turned out how he wanted, it would have been terrible. There would have been no sequels, no merchandising empire, no worldwide generation-defining cultural impact. Just another sub-par sci-fi flick from the 70s. The "creator" of Star Wars was also its biggest liability.
  • My memories of Star Wars are of standing in line as a seven-year-old during the original release in 1977.

    I never got around to seeing the prequels and from what I hear that was good fortune. Now I can live in ignorant bliss that they never existed. I won't see the latest attempt to cash in on the original films either. Why taint a perfect childhood memory?

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