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Government Could Ban BBC From Showing Top Shows at Peak Times (theguardian.com) 84

An anonymous reader writes: The BBC is on a collision course with the government over reported efforts to bar it from showing popular shows at peak viewing times. The culture secretary, John Whittingdale, is widely expected to ban the broadcaster from going head-to-head with commercial rivals as part of the BBC charter review. He is due to publish a white paper within weeks that will set out a tougher regime as part of a new royal charter to safeguard the service for another 11 years. ITV has complained about licence fee money being used to wage a ratings battle with it and other channels funded by advertising. A source at the BBC said the public would be deeply concerned if it were forced to move programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing, Doctor Who and Sherlock from prime time weekend slots.In some unrelated news, Clarkson, Hammond, and May are still figuring out the name for their new show.
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Government Could Ban BBC From Showing Top Shows at Peak Times

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  • by barc0001 ( 173002 ) on Sunday May 01, 2016 @02:40PM (#52023957)

    Kill the Beeb's ratings and then they'll claim it can't compete and should be shut down or sold off to one of their cronies for pennies.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 01, 2016 @03:15PM (#52024157)

      Part of the ongoing plan to kill the BBC.

      Phase 1: Don't allow them to increase the licence fee in line with inflation.
      Phase 2: Make them pay for the World Service, which is of no benefit to licencees.
      Phase 3: Take away the revenue from households that have someone over 70 years of age.
      Phase 4: Stop them from showing popular shows at times when people are likey to want to watch them.
      Phase 5: Shut it down because no-one is watching it any more.
      Phase 6: Everyone pays Rupert Mudoch's ransom for the only good TV left.

      • Good TV? Yeah that's a joke. There are good shows out there certainly but television itself is a desolate wasteland.
        • by jedrek ( 79264 )

          What's the problem with just watching the good shows? I mean, if you decide to consume everything, then there's no form of expression that worthwhile. Do you realize the utter garbage that is published every year, the hundreds of thousands of hours of unlistenable music, or wasted pieces of canvas. The only difference between those and television, is that you have access to the vast majority of TV being made in your market. The fact that there are good show, and that they can be so good, means that televisi

      • Phase 6: Everyone pays Rupert Mudoch's ransom for the only good TV left.

        Phase 7: more people simply abandon TV because with BBC gone, it's even less competitive against the Internet.

        Commercial TV isn't competing against the BBC or other national broadcasters, it's competing against Facebook and a billion funny cat videos. And it's going to lose because it's inferior in both technology and content, as well as led by people so used to captive audiences that they think they're entitled to them.

    • by Blue Stone ( 582566 ) on Sunday May 01, 2016 @03:35PM (#52024273) Homepage Journal

      Yep, that's their modus operandi alright. They want everything in the hands of their party donors and to rule the UK (or what remains of it) as their personal fiefdom.

      What gets me is how supine the BBC is. Surely they know the person beating them about the head and body daily is going to kill them as soon as they think they can get away with it? Yet they bow and scrape, acquiesce, and attack the Labour party following Lynton Crosby's agenda to the letter.

      George Osborne, the chancellor, apparently wants to take a slice of the Beeb's license fee to prop up the newspaper industry. That'd be the champion of the free market, then, attacking the Beeb which operates on a public service remit by cutting into its revenues and using a bit of corporate socialism to prop up a newspaper industry whose loyalty is to its rich, tax-dodging proprietors and which has little or no interest to fair or balanced reportage (but generally loves the Tories).

      Don't even get me started on the NHS. The Conservative party wants all of the post-war (II) settlement gone to be replaced with rampant inequality.

      The Conservatine party: taking the Great out of Great Britain and selling it off for pennies on the dollar.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        > Yet they bow and scrape, acquiesce, and attack the Labour party following Lynton Crosby's agenda to the letter.

        "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."

        Anyway, public institutions have been gradually filled with business types over the last 20 years, and it's only those lower down who are even interested in complaining. But they're also interested in keeping a job. Humans without unity are pathetic, servile cowards, tbh, but that's what 35 years of Thatcherism have given us.

      • by dbIII ( 701233 )

        What gets me is how supine the BBC is

        Remember the guy on the BBC that debunked the comment that Saddam could attack the UK within minutes? Hounded to suicide. The BBC is that way as a literal survival tactic.


        It's been that way for years apparently. Jimmy Saville spend six Christmases with the Thatcher family which may explain why all those complaints against him and efforts within the BBC to get rid of him came to nothing once they hit the top levels of management. Not being from the UK I'm hearing ab

        • It boggles my mind those in the heirachy who feigned ignorance. Johny rotten from the sex pistols straight up said as much on television in the 1970s and for his efforts at whistleblowing all he got was a ban from the BBC. From my understanding *everyone* at the BBC knew , yet the higher up lickspittles didn't do nothing

    • Good lord if the best ITV can do is X Factor when they're faced with real competition then how shit would they be if the Beeb were neutered? Thank F*** for the Beeb for raising standards. £12.12/month for the license fee is an absolute bargain!

      • I would pay $18, make it an even $20 and offer the entire back catalogue, a month for the BBC. Hell I already "pay" $10 a month (a $120 donation each year to Minnesota Public Radio) since I listen to the BBC World Service (91.1 HD3 in the Twin Cities if anyone cares) all the time in the car and I let MPR know that is all I listen to of their offerings.
    • The way I read the article, it seemed to imply that people still watch non-sports TV shows *LIVE* over in the UK. That can't be right... can it?

      • The way I read the article, it seemed to imply that people still watch non-sports TV shows *LIVE* over in the UK. That can't be right... can it?

        That's what I was thinking, moving your best shows off primetime slots only means DVR recording conflicts! Learn to make your commercials look good at 5X speed and your golden!

        • The new Tivo allows auto skipping of commercials on recorded programs. You hit the green D button and it just flashes to the end of the break, no fast forward at all.

          It is a beautiful thing.

    • This is all very strange. Let me see if I understand this: The "people" give money to the BBC - the BCC creates really amazing shows to please the people. Seems like they use that money very responsibly. As an American I watch some shows & BBC radio. Although - to be honest - most BBC shows are now viewed via Netflix. But I used to buy (buy!!) current Top Gear on iTunes. This is top quality stuff.

      So this is why I'm confused by the purported contents of this White paper. Bury good shows at off

    • Yep, typical of the micromanaging swine. I suppose they'll sell this as looking after the interests of " hardworking families" , not as protecting the interests of their tax avoiding friends on the boards of ITV.
  • Who the heck watches non-sports TV "live" at this point? DVR it people! Get the app!
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      1) Name me a cheap PVR which replicates all video cassette functionality.

      2) Apps / web sites are all less versatile than recording from broadcast.

      3) The point in prime time is to offer something that everyone can watch at once as a social experience, e.g. to get to gether / to chat about the following day. The reason most programming is shit these days is that you don't put as much creative effort into something that's only going to be watched by half a million people instead of half the country.

      tl;dr 100 c

      • 3) The point in prime time is to offer something that everyone can watch at once as a social experience, e.g. to get to gether / to chat about the following day. .

        I think the point in prime time is that that's when the most eyeballs are available. Anything else is just happenstance that marketers have been able to leverage.

      • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

        "tl;dr 100 crap choices are worse than a handful of good ones."

        And they all cater to the lowest common denominator and are very establishment, status quo, brain washing consumerist crap, including the BBC.

        So I really don't care what they do to the BBC or any other channel because I don't watch any of it any more, I can't be bothered to waste my time searching through big piles of shit just to find the occasional good bit.

      • With get_iplayer, you can grab programmes for watching later, in high definition, up to either 7 or 30 days after broadcast. That's far more useable than a VHS (which has to be programmed before the start of a show and grabs a time window, not a specific show).
    • by C0R1D4N ( 970153 )
      Better question, how terrible is British nightlife that Friday and Saturday evenings are "primetime viewing" those timeslots are where we in the US send TV shows to die.
      • I don't think you can make any judgements about 'nightlife'. I've lived on both continents and find nightlife is however you want to make it. Having moved back to the UK I find the scene much better than the US because nobody (at least in London) drives.

        I've always resented the TV companies in the UK for putting the best things on the box when I'm out. Love the iPlayer though.

    • by bullgod ( 93002 )

      Several Millions.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3299241/Another-slump-ratings-X-Factor-loses-4-million-viewers-Strictly-Come-Dancing-hits-new-series-low-live-show.html

  • by transami ( 202700 ) on Sunday May 01, 2016 @02:46PM (#52023999) Homepage

    the commercial guys don't seem to understand Netflix. No amount of bribing the Goberment is going to save them.

  • BS (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    If ordinary people are loosing money, then sadly there is nothing to do about it.

    If rich people are loosing money, or not getting as much as they want, then the rules must be changed. Even, as in this case, it is detrimental to everybody else.

    Solution: Adblock and piracy.

  • ITV still exists? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by GreatDrok ( 684119 ) on Sunday May 01, 2016 @02:57PM (#52024067) Journal

    I'm trying to remember the last programme by ITV that I regularly watched. Last time I looked it was a bunch of generic cheap reality crap. I guess there's Downton Abbey but that's done now. Seriously, ITV made its bed and is now complaining that people don't want to watch crappy shows that get broken up every few mins by adverts. What a shock. The problem for ITV isn't the time the programmes are on, but rather VOD services such as iPlayer meaning people don't sit in front to the TV any more at a specific time and they definitely don't want to watch adverts. ITV Player is a joke by the way. Netflix and iPlayer. Job done.

    • It's not say that is it, it's saying that the competition is unfair because the BBC doesn't have to live or die by its programming, yet it still chooses to compete with commercial television and radio for some bizarre reason.
    • The Bill used to be the only ITV show I watched without fail. Once they butcherd that then killed it ... nothing.

      ITV is the purveyor of banal, LCD, mass-market mediocrity, and nothing else. They don't even balance it with a bit high-brow stuff these days.

    • They have a pretty good selection of crime dramas such as Lewis and Grantchester. Midsomer Murders has been playing for 15 or 16 years on there.

      They probably get most of their money from Coronation Street though. I don't watch that but I do like the crime dramas.

    • Plebs is one of my all time favourite shows, and the download I get always has a iTV watermark.

    • by dbIII ( 701233 )

      I'm trying to remember the last programme by ITV that I regularly watched

      "Callan" was awesome.

  • by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Sunday May 01, 2016 @02:58PM (#52024073) Journal

    I just need to know what time Benny Hill comes on.

  • It's kind of amusing (Score:4, Interesting)

    by John.Banister ( 1291556 ) * on Sunday May 01, 2016 @03:11PM (#52024137) Homepage
    to see the commercial broadcast channels encourage the government to push more viewers towards adopting online viewing. The notion of supporting something that benefits their ecosystem is going to look much better in hindsight. Netflix will be the beneficiary, even if they don't carry the displaced content.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    John Whittingale is an old friend of Rupert Murdoch.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/n... [independent.co.uk]

  • This is the kind of BS you have to worry about when you have government doing things it shouldn't be doing, like running a national TV network. We have several forms of 'public' TV in the States, but none of them are run with the sort of dictatorial mandate that the BBC operates under (license fees, content regulation, you name it).
    • by itsdapead ( 734413 ) on Sunday May 01, 2016 @07:16PM (#52025279)

      This is the kind of BS you have to worry about when you have government doing things it shouldn't be doing, like running a national TV network

      Yes, I envy the USA and the wonderful, unbiassed, philanthropic networks run by massive multinational corporations - and the great thing is, freedom of choice: you can choose to watch the network run by the massive multinational corporation who's entrenched interests best represents your interests. Plus, of course, the US networks are famous for never censoring or regulating content.

      Oh, yes, there's public broadcasting in the US. I remember watching a show on one such channel once when visiting the US: it was the original British version of House of Cards (not the Netflix US remake) in which the anti-hero F.U. takes on (and outwits) the King who Didn't Resemble Charles At All... the US channel actually prefaced it with a little lecture about the evils of monarchy* just in case any USA viewers started rooting for the King (because although F.U. was an evil, corrupt murdering bastard, he had been democratically elected after democratically murdering/smearing/blackmailing his opponents). Not sure which sponsor had insisted on that little rider. (NB: the UK monarch doesn't actually get to run the country - I'm still not a fan, but we need the tourism and the alternative would probably be to outsource the whole bunch to Disney who'd be far more likely to interfere with running the country)

      Anyway, at least PBS doesn't run those adverts telling you how wonderful it is that you get to watch adverts because they protect your right to choose products made by the companies that can afford the most adverts (seriously - Philip K Dick would be proud. This was some years ago, are they still running?)

      NB: The government doesn't run the BBC, but every 10 years or so they get the chance to re-write the charter under which it operates. That's what's happening at the moment - and the current government would quite like to shut it down to keep their friends in big media companies happy. You can tell the government doesn't run the BBC because if they did they'd have already shut it down.

      * Citation needed, I know, but it was a while ago and the bruise where my jaw hit the floor has long gone. It was certainly a "did that just happen?" moment.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Raenex ( 947668 )

        Yes, I envy the USA and the wonderful, unbiassed, philanthropic networks run by massive multinational corporations

        Yes, because the BBC has never shown bias or having an agenda driven by politics.

        and the great thing is, freedom of choice: you can choose to watch the network run by the massive multinational corporation who's entrenched interests best represents your interests

        Yes, there are a great number of choices, and you know, sometimes entertainment is just entertainment and not a corporate conspiracy to do their bidding. Of course, you can always go online or do whatever. But thank god you have the BBC to save you from the horrible fate of American television viewers!

    • when you have government doing things it shouldn't be doing, like running a national TV network

      Americans may find this difficult to comprehend but there is a huge difference between "state funded" and "state run". This is why the USPO has fallen to bits, republicans tied the hands of USPTO managers by dictating prices of everything they sold, ie: they made and enforced all the financial decisions at the local post office, it was a deliberate (and successful) effort of the part of FED-ex and others lobbying to kill the "unfair" competition. It won't be so easy to pull down the BBC, it's has way more r

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Yeah, putting the US Patent and Trademark Office in charge of delivering the mail was probably a bad idea.

    • by cardpuncher ( 713057 ) on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:20AM (#52026733)

      This is the kind of BS you have to worry about when you have government doing things it shouldn't be doing, like running a national TV network

      You're right about "government doing things it shouldn't be doing". The BBC is established under a Royal Charter which is supposed to make it a public institution independent of the government of the day. However, governments of the day have never really been able to keep their hands off - from widespread security vetting of BBC staff [telegraph.co.uk], heavy-handed threats relating to programs on defence and security issues [wikipedia.org] through to the latest plundering of the TV licence revenue to fund welfare and broadband iniatives at the cost of programming (including one TV channel lost).

      The government is supposed to leave running the BBC's national TV networks (and radio networks) to the BBC, but the BBC has always been supine in the face of government pressure (partly because the government can, in the end, turn off the money and partly because its oversight board is stuffed with government appointees many of whom are looking forward to their next sinecure) with the inevitable consequence that each demand is more onerous than the last.

  • i for one feel no pity whatever for bbc or its employees. its is state owned propaganda.
    it maybe, or may be not (let british decide that), impartial about news inside uk.

    but it is is extremely partial mouthpiece of current, secular, so called 'liberal', western elite, and their ideology of death and looting; ever ready to excuse any crime, coup, invasion, torture, drone child killings, spying, etc etc committed by that establishment.

    i don't intend to pity goebbels of modern day.

  • If the BBC is biased (it is), the Guardian more so. They're joined at the hip. They share stafff and stories. For example, in the week when the UK Labour Party have been rocked to the core by racism, the BBC choose to headline the football. The Guardian's headline is about synthetic cannabis.

    Don't quote the Guardian about the BBC, and vice-versa.

  • The BBC is on a collision course with the government like my nose is on a collision course with my face

  • Well, I must admit ITV has a point, it's really unfair that BBC is producing topshows with public money, whereas ITV has to pay for them themselves and have to compete with those publicly paid for shows.. It's not as simple as 'well they have to make better shows then', as IMHO shows like Dr Who or any 'entertainment show', shouldn't even be done by public services. BBC is just acting as any other commercial network, and therefore doesn't really have a real purpose anymore, and should go back to doing educa
    • ITV is a commercial channel and relies upon content to gain commercial interest. If ITV is forced to 'up it's game' due to competition, this is good for the consumer and good for ITV who can charge more for prime time slots.

      If the BBC was forced to show it's best shows at other times, the consumer would still watch those shows and the programming on ITV - which would be non-prime time - would be of no interest to the consumers and sponsors would not be interested in placing commercials.

      In the absence o

  • by Martin S. ( 98249 ) on Monday May 02, 2016 @06:09AM (#52026919) Journal

    The BBC is one example of the Public Sector beating the Private sector hands down, the NHS is another. This is why the Tories are trying to cripple it.

    You must also remember who Whittingdale is, this is the guy who had his shenanigans and hypocrisy covered up by Sky/News International because he is one of their own and going after the BBC for them.

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