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Huawei's First Television Could Also Be the World's First 5G 8K TV (engadget.com) 196

Huawei is planning to launch an 8K 5G TV as soon as this year, a new report from Nikkei claims. The set would include a 5G modem to allow it to stream remote content directly without the need for a cable box or fixed-line internet connection, and it could even act as a router for other internet-connected devices in your home, the report added.
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Huawei's First Television Could Also Be the World's First 5G 8K TV

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Don't need Chicom government in my house.

    • IKR. Hard pass.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    So they've re-invented TV, but with data caps?
    I'm still using an antenna.

    • Re:TV (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Immerman ( 2627577 ) on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @09:13PM (#58525036)

      Don't forget the unavoidable surveillance, and ability to insert extra commercials to provide an ongoing revenue stream.

      A smart TV that you can't even opt out of the smart features. Just what I've been waiting for /sarcasm.

      • Exactly, my first thought was it would probably monitor me to make sure I do calisthenics in the morning and also report on whether I paid attention to the state approved news channels for the approved amount of time.
  • $10-15/mo for data (with an cap?) + TV service fees?

    • Who knows what the availability and pricing of cellular data is in the target market areas? I'm sure the US is hardly a consideration. FTA:

      Despite being banned from selling most of its products in the US on national security grounds, Huawei remains popular in Europe and Asia.

  • ATSC 3.0 ?

  • Nope ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @08:42PM (#58524922)

    The set would include a 5G modem to allow it to stream remote content directly without the need for a cable box or fixed-line internet connection

    Do not want this at all.

    First off, I see no point in 8K TV, it's a cool idea but it isn't something I'm going to spend money on for a long time to come.

    But, most importantly, I spend a lot of effort to keep network connected shit out of my house and/or not connected to my network.

    Sorry, I do not trust *any* consumer electronics company with a network connection -- because they're assholes who will steal your data to make a buck. I simply do not believe that any such product isn't full of shit which gives me no benefit.

    If I can't choose to not connect it to the network (it's really only ever going to have a single HDMI input anyway), I won't own it.

    Fuck this connected devices shit.

  • by caviare ( 830421 ) on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @08:44PM (#58524930)

    Does it have a microphone or a camera? Is it going to blackmail me by threatening to email video or sound of me and my wife getting it on in front of the TV?
    I don't trust modern technology no more.

    • It has a touch sensor and an electronic nose too, and one of those little hats that reads brainwaves.
    • No, that's Russian, American, and Indian hackers.

      This is going to be exploited by Asian hackers who have access to buy the exploit.

      They're just going to sell the video to porn sites, they're not going to bother trying to extort you.

    • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

      Don't worry. You'll hit your data cap before it has a chance to collect anything incriminating.

      • You'll hit your data cap before it has a chance to collect anything incriminating.

        How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? If your ISP were (wittingly or unwittingly) a partner in surveillance, that data might be exempted from the cap, like how your cellphone provider lets you call 611 without using minutes.

        • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

          How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? If your ISP were (wittingly or unwittingly) a partner in surveillance, that data might be exempted from the cap, like how your cellphone provider lets you call 611 without using minutes.

          That's hardly a fair comparison. 611 is made to allow you to call your provider for service-related issues, and goes back to landline phones. It allowed non-subscribers an easy way to call and order service, and if they shut you off for non-payment people can't use the excuse of "I would have called to straighten this out, but you shut me off."

    • by Anonymous Coward

      The pernicious direction that technology seems to have gone in the last decade is why I decided last year that I'd had enough of software development.

      I no longer had any joy, motivation or enthusiasm for my career. Everything is an online subscription, everything you're not paying for is spying on you. Fuck that, I got out and now have my own business in a completely unrelated industry and am enjoying life once again.

      Unfortunately, I still have to make use of modern technology for the purposes of marketing,

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    • And if it is? Just dance naked in front of the TV grinding your arse cheeks against the top of the frame. They'll stop spying on you quite quickly.

    • by Junta ( 36770 )

      I don't know about a camera, but I can guarantee it can have a microphone even if it ostensibly doesn't.

      It has a speaker, and any speaker can be surreptitiously a microphone.

  • Because if I have to plug in one big wire, it's hardly a big deal to connect a second for the network.

  • The set would include a 5G modem to allow it to stream remote content directly without the need for a cable box or fixed-line internet connection,

    Huh, now why would a TV set from a company known to install backdoors in lots of equipment it sells, possibly want to ship a smart TV laden with cameras and microphones and include an internet connection you have no way to control or monitor...

    I don't care if it's 8k or 16k or how many Ks they ship with, no way would I trust equipment from this obvious front for t

    • The sad thing is that (some) people do indeed install Alexa everywhere in their home, and if they can get away with it, their office. Backdoors? I'm not convinced that the Toshiba/FireStick TV doesn't sniff around-- it includes Alexa, too. Have a Roku? What stuff can't be cracked like an egg, barf adware, and infect your home these days?

      Trust the US Gov when there essentially for tracking purposes, IS NO US Gov (rules)? Do we buy EU GDPR sets because they might be less risky? What's the Chinese Gov gonna do

    • I don't care if it's 8k or 16k or how many Ks they ship with, no way would I trust equipment from this obvious front for the Chinese government in my house.

      I imagine there'd be a (hopefully small) market if it had just 3 K's, but probably not if it was made in China.

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @08:54PM (#58524970)

    The set would include a 5G modem to allow it to stream remote content directly without the need for a cable box or fixed-line internet connection, ...

    Talk about a solution in search of a problem. I *guess* it could come in handy on those occasions I want to use my GIANT TV at the poolside, while camping, or on the subway. On... the... other... hand. It'll probably a bit too pricy to be so cavalier with it. From TFA:

    Samsung recently released its Q900 8K television, which costs an eye-watering $70,000.
    Sony released an 8K TV this year will also set you back $70,000.

    • I'd imagine if you're going to shell out that much for a TV, you'd have the cash to cover gigabit internet, which would make the 5G cell fairly unnecessary.
      • 5G doesn't work indoors. Even window glass blocks it. Tree leaves block it.

        Ethernet OTOH usually works indoors.

        That's why fahrbot-bot is talking about the poolside, camping, or on the subway. Camping, yeah, maybe at the KOA next to the freeway.

        Poolside is presumptively outdoors, and they're talking about putting repeaters in the subway.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      The benefit isn't to you, it's to the content owners. They can build a new DRM system that only allows streaming over verified 5G connections, thus making it much harder to rip streams.

    • The set would include a 5G modem to allow it to stream remote content directly without the need for a cable box or fixed-line internet connection, ...

      Talk about a solution in search of a problem. I *guess* it could come in handy on those occasions I want to use my GIANT TV at the poolside, while camping, or on the subway. On... the... other... hand. It'll probably a bit too pricy to be so cavalier with it. From TFA:

      Samsung recently released its Q900 8K television, which costs an eye-watering $70,000. Sony released an 8K TV this year will also set you back $70,000.

      I still don't even have a 4K TV.

  • by paiute ( 550198 ) on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @09:15PM (#58525038)
    "Huawei, play that movie - what's it called - the one with the Tin Man."
    "I'm sorry, sir. There is no record of a Tin Man Square."
    • by tepples ( 727027 )

      China acknowledges Tian'anmén (Heavenly Peace Gate) and Tian'anmén Square to the south, just not something that may have happened there in second quarter 1989.

  • Modding (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jpatters ( 883 ) on Wednesday May 01, 2019 @10:00PM (#58525126)

    Somebody should start making aftermarket PCB replacement boards for popular models of TV's; with open source firmware and hardware, maybe RISC-V would be a good option in a couple of years.Then you might be able to trust (or at least reasonably trust) your TV to not be spying on you.

    • ...or the simplest solution: Treat any TV as a dumb display panel, so do not connect it to any network.
  • Solution in search of a problem.

    8k TV? Why do we even need that in the first place? Is there even any content available for it?
    A TV that relies on 5G wireless? Who had that pants-on-head stupid idea? Was it the wireless companies?

    You should all feel like your intelligence is being insulted, if they actually think anyone will be so stupid as to buy something like this, especially from Huawei.
    • by imidan ( 559239 )
      Yeah, I'm still using a 1080p dumb TV, and I don't plan to replace it until it breaks. Most of my content comes from streaming services, and I don't own a video source capable of outputting 4k. I looked at one in the store once, and it was a pretty picture, but I just don't care that much at home. 1080p is, at this point in time, good enough for me. And for everyone I know, for that matter--I have never been to someone's house where there was a 4k TV.
      • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

        I will admit to wanting an OLED HDR television set.

        And those only come in 4k...

        • I will admit to wanting an OLED HDR television set.

          OLED + HDR = oxymoron

          • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

            The Panasonic I want has peak nits of 780. Not quite the 1000 you'd like to see for HDR but considering the contrast with actual blacks I think I'll live...

    • I accidentally modded "Redundant" rather than "Insightful" and am commenting in order to void my vote. Sorry about that!
    • It exists because there are a good deal of people who have a lot of disposable income.

  • From what I've read, the proposed higher bandwidth / higher frequency 5G bands are noticeable attenuated by air, trees and especially walls, so everything that makes 5G desirable for an 8K video signal makes that same frequency less likely to be usable.
  • I don't even want a "smart" TV, let alone one that comes with it's own network connection.

    I just want a dumb panel with some inputs about it. That's it. Doesn't even have to be 4k, I'm old anyway. The more they try to cram this shit down my throat, the more I likely I'll never buy another TV again.

  • I'm not sure how useful an 8K TV is going to be in the US, where even 4G wireless Internet access is insanely expensive when measured by the Gigabyte. From what we've seen from AT&T and Verizon, 5K isn't going to be much cheaper.

    For most customers, you're going to hit your download cap in about a minute the first time you try to stream an 8K movie on your shiny new TV.

    • by leonbev ( 111395 )

      An 8K TV with a 5G modem, that is. Although one could argue that an 8K TV in general won't be all that useful until there is 8K content out there to watch on it.

  • So instead of paying for an home internet connection, I would need to pay for an home internet connection as well as my TV's internet connection?

    Thanks, but no thanks.

  • by Pyramid ( 57001 )

    What is the point of an 8k screen in the home unless it's 9 feet wide or 3 feet away from your face?

  • Is an 8K TV really necessary? HD was a pretty big upgrade over SD content, and while I can certainly tell a difference between 4K and HD(1080P) side by side, it's not something that really effects me enough to care about even that upgrade. I'd imagine that the jump from 4K to 8K would be even less noticeable.

    • No, it is pointless as a viewing device for movies or anything else intended to be seen all at once. You don't have enough light sensing elements in your eye to benefit from it. The only sensible use for such tech is displaying a view that is not intended to be seen all at once by one person.

      4K actually breaks that boundary, it is pointless for home viewing to go higher unless you want to have a wall with scenery or art on it that will be looked at in parts.

  • Looks like something that the Big Cable/Internet boys would have thought up.
    After all, they certainly want you to have everything in a handy-to-access place for monitoring your usage, invading your privacy, and otherwise monetizing your collective activity and viewing habits.
    Isn't this what the U.S. government was all upset about with the Huawei phone connection to China?
    Now they want to do this with TV, too? Where's the Government uproar over this?
    If I had one of these beasts, it'd be locked away behind my

  • I don't see personally needing this anytime soon. But the concept is intriguing. Imagine buying a streaming TV and just taking it home and it works. Of course you need to be in a 5G world. It could be a way to upset the Cable TV strangle hold. Assuming of course that the 5G network takes you straight to Netflix et al.

    Sure sure, there's the cost of 5G. But in order to compete we all know the price has to come down. I've seen writings of terrestrial bound 5G locations could be cheaper than mobile on

  • Great News.. Now I can afford a 4K once 8K gets out.

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